Originally Posted by KataKlysm954

i hear a lot of people saying that when you work out your legs the rest of your body becomes stronger and allows you to lift more weight in other exercises. is this a proven fact?

Originally Posted by kenwood

yes.

Originally Posted by P-funk

he asked if it was a proven fact.

you said "yes"

please cite your study that proves this.



go back to school too.

Originally Posted by P-funk

he asked if it was a proven fact.

you said "yes"

please cite your study that proves this.



go back to school too.

Originally Posted by KataKlysm954

i hear a lot of people saying that when you work out your legs the rest of your body becomes stronger and allows you to lift more weight in other exercises. is this a proven fact?

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

I agree with kenwood



I got nothin. Your the one with all those cool studies and journals P!! Where u at??

Originally Posted by KataKlysm954

i hear a lot of people saying that when you work out your legs the rest of your body becomes stronger and allows you to lift more weight in other exercises. is this a proven fact?

Originally Posted by kenwood

don't try an make an excuse not to train legs. ...its half your body. would you train one arm and not the other? would you train 1 pec anf not the other? would you?

Originally Posted by P-funk

cite your sources.

Originally Posted by P-funk

It (glutes are biggest in the human body), neurologically stimulating, total body movement (weight in stabilized on the upper back), etc.....
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Originally Posted by kenwood

don't try an make an excuse not to train legs. ...its half your body. would you train one arm and not the other? would you train 1 pec anf not the other? would you?

Originally Posted by P-funk

Whether it causes strength or not, I would have to look....I mean, on paper it sounds like a good idea though....big muscles group (glutes are biggest in the human body), neurologically stimulating, total body movement (weight in stabilized on the upper back), etc...

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

The kenny blasting is kinda getting old....the kid can't say anything without someone calling him a loser or dropout or something.

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

The kenny blasting is kinda getting old....the kid can't say anything without someone calling him a loser or dropout or something.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I remember reading somewhere about Squats creating a rise in HGH levels. Basically, the quads and hamstring are the biggest muscles in the body and when you work them, they great the largest release of HGH by virtue of being the biggest.

I can't find anything with a quick search at Google or at T-Nation.

Originally Posted by Gordo

If you are only squatting 5 lbs but curling 150lbs....you might actually get a bigger hormone reponse from the curl, all things being equal (kind of a silly example, but you get the idea).

Originally Posted by KataKlysm954

hmm... excuses you think? Not exactly, I wasn't making excuses im just trying to find out information that I'm not sure about ATM.

P.S. Learn how to spell high school drop out!

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

Where do you find some of those studies though? Just googling something on line? Or are there specific places you check periodically??

Originally Posted by DaMayor

People here have offered advice, positive input, etc. etc., but the guy consistantly opens himself up to criticism and sets himself up to be knocked down.....

What do you suggest? Encourage the kind of behavior that is so typical of his generation? I think not.

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

You're not his father. Get off his case. I don't see you goin A-wall on every stupid kid on this site do I ?? Ok then hypocrite, STFU.

That's just in this thread, and he didn't really say anything that dumb. You just think it's funny and it's not. So what if he did say something dumb. He's fuckin 16. With the superior intellect your displaying at this juncture, I'm sure you never did anything stupid or rash at his age.

Originally Posted by DaMayor

I suggest that you choose your words carefully, and that you choose your battles even more carefully.

As I said before, people here have offered advice with the best of intentions for this young man. Whether he listens or not is his choice. Whether he believes everything that is said is his choice. My money says that he has the ability to determine which comments are sincere and which are a poke in the ribs.

Now, if you want to pick a trivial flame bout with someone, carry your ignorant ass back to the open chat area and sparr with the children.

But don't piss me off, little man.

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

You're funny....If I continue are you going to threaten physical violence??

Originally Posted by DOMS

I remember reading somewhere about Squats creating a rise in HGH levels. Basically, the quads and hamstring are the biggest muscles in the body and when you work them, they great the largest release of HGH by virtue of being the biggest.

I can't find anything with a quick search at Google or at T-Nation.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I got in an argument about this here a long time ago and did some research to prove my point. Well I was wrong and it seems that HGH is released when doing squats and dead lifts. My anatomy and physiology Prof said it was BS but I found several medical and college sources that said it was true.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I got in an argument about this here a long time ago and did some research to prove my point. Well I was wrong and it seems that HGH is released when doing squats and dead lifts. My anatomy and physiology Prof said it was BS but I found several medical and college sources that said it was true.

Originally Posted by bigsahm21

I've heard that this is true because when you lift, a certain gland releases some kind of muscle building/repairing hormone, the amount of which is realesed depending on the volume of exercise done...so lifting with your legs releases more of this hormone.

Originally Posted by P-funk

yea, it is defenitly true. this might help to explain the study i was reffering to early about their arm growth in the guys that only squatted.

But, i still wonder if lower body training will increase upper body strength. I mean, like i said, it sounds good on paper, but.....is it really capable of happening?

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I think like CP said it builds the core up so your entire body is stronger. Just the support it gives will help military pressing in a huge way and also bench to a lesser degree, but I doubt it helps much with isolation strength like preacher curls and seated cable laterals ect.

Originally Posted by P-funk

yea, i defenitly don't disagree with that. In my first post I also said that it was more demanding because the weight is supported by your upper back.

What I am getting at is, I would like to see a study that take, say 20 male weight lifters, and tests their 3RM bench press. Then, they go on a program of only lower body training (squatting and deadlifting) for 4 weeks and then they re-test their 3RM.

Originally Posted by DaMayor

Okay, hows about this? These subjects train light, whatever (50% of their max. capacity) as long as it is consistant for a period of x-weeks, after a certain period of time they then double their lower body training for a four week period while maintaining the same volume with their upper body work. Would that be a more workable scenario?

Originally Posted by KataKlysm954

that sounds like that would work well

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

If they did a study with people who hadn't lifted weights before....tested their 3RM bench press....then started the squat program. Also, the test would need a large number of participants IMO. ...then the results wouldn't be skewed IMO. But good point on the fact that if they are trained athletes then no amount of lower body work would help them maintain upper body strength in the absence of all upper body training.

Originally Posted by DaMayor

True. But they would all at least have to be in comparable condition, age, etc., wouldn't you think?

Originally Posted by DaMayor

Wouldn't the results be skewed due to the fact that they weren't training upper body at all? I mean, surely they would lose some strength in their upper body during the four weeks they were training lower body, no?

Originally Posted by Witchblade

I'm gonna agree with cowpimp mainly on this one. I think the only really notable improvement would be the core strength which could assist on other exercises. Usually, with these kind of problems, theory says A while logic (and/or common sense) would be unsure; in practice, A is in fact true, but in such a minor way that it is almost nihil.

Therefore I'd say: Yes, it does improve upper body strength, but in a very, very minor way. It would improve core strength a lot though.

Originally Posted by DaMayor

P, put one together bro! PW can monitor the subjects and Trouble can write,edit and publish it......and yes, Jodi can hand out copies at the truck stop...er, trailer park.

Originally Posted by danchubbz

well if u do exercises likes deads and squats in particular in your lower body workout then obviously there gonna increase your upper body isn't it!!!!