Originally Posted by ForemanRules

When was that fight

Originally Posted by Pedigree

That whole fight, Liddell kept getting tagged with some wild overhand rights from Rampage.
Chuck said he wants to fight him again, and the Liddell now will probably beat Rampage due to his out-of-control style, which hasn't changed since then. I think Chuck would pummel Rampage now because of the way he wrecklessly comes in to throw that crap. Once Liddell was on his back, it was over...same way it's gonna be when Tito puts him on his back in December.

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

As much as I dislike Chuck Liddell and like Tito, I still don't think Tito will be able to take him down. Chuck by KO.

Originally Posted by Pedigree

Tito says "he has a surprise for Chuck". You never know with him if he really does or if he's playing mind games. He really sounds like he's onto something. I can't wait for that one.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

Tito's a bitch. No chance.......

Originally Posted by viet_jon

hey, anyone see that post fight of chuck and babalu, that interview where only chuck and dana white showed up? what was that about, they we're saying chuck was suppose to fight someone from Pride, but Pride is purely talking shit, and doesn't want to set it up.

Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68

Tito always talks shit on everybody. Look at all the shit he talked on frank shamrock saying he was way over rated, his moves suck and they were slow. And Tito ended up getting man handled the whole fight before the fight was stopped because of total owanage by frank. Chuck will destroy him.

Originally Posted by Pedigree

Ortiz was ahead on all three judges scorecards against Frank Shamrock, then he got stupid.

Babalu was Liddell's BEST competition? WOW! Babalu is so overrated it's not even funny, just like most Pride fighters. He hasn't beaten anyone.

As for Silva, he's been beaten by everyone including Ortiz and Belfort. Good thing he isn't fighting Chuck this year...he would have come out of that fight even uglier.

Originally Posted by Pedigree

Ortiz was ahead on all three judges scorecards against Frank Shamrock, then he got stupid.

Babalu was Liddell's BEST competition? WOW! Babalu is so overrated it's not even funny, just like most Pride fighters. He hasn't beaten anyone.

As for Silva, he's been beaten by everyone including Ortiz and Belfort. Good thing he isn't fighting Chuck this year...he would have come out of that fight even uglier.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

It was a publicity stunt. Wand who recently got KTFO'd by cro cop was supposed to fight Chuck. That being said, I think wand could still KTFO Chuck.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

So your a pride fan huh. I havn't watched much of it, but is there a difference between it and the UFC? different rules and such? There's been alot of it on TV lately, gonna start watchin some fights...see how they compare to UFC.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

Although liddell owned babalu, babalu is not overrated. His record prior to that fight is pretty impressive.

Originally Posted by Pedigree

Against whom? The most impressive win he has is against Jeremy Horn. He lost to Randelman, Liddell x 2, Valentijn Overeem (23-20 record), Dan Henderson, and Emelianenko. He can't beat quality opponents and even lost to a guy with a 23-20 record. He's not just overrated...he's pathetically overrated.

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

OK typically I'm on the UFC side of these discussions, but I feel the need to step in. How big is Babalu?? Henderson, Emelienenko, and Randelman are bonafide heavyweights. Not to mention Fedor is quite possibly the most dominant fighter to ever step in a MMA ring, so saying he's overrated because he lost to these guys is completely unfair. Was he a little over-hyped because it was the UFC and he was fighting Chuck? Yes. But Babalu is a quality fighter, and I know you will see him again somewhere.

Originally Posted by Pedigree

I understand what you're saying, but he chose to fight those guys.

Current MMA Light Heavyweight World Rankings:
1) Chuck Liddell
2) Maurico Rua
3) Wanderlei Silva
4) Ricardo Arona (Owned by Rampage Jackson with a Power Bomb)
5) Antonio Nogueira
6) Renato Sobral (Ahead of Ortiz and Jackson? )
7) Tito Ortiz
8) Quinton Jackson
9) Alistair Overeem
10) Forrest Griffin

Originally Posted by Pedigree

I understand what you're saying, but he chose to fight those guys.

Current MMA Light Heavyweight World Rankings:
1) Chuck Liddell
2) Maurico Rua
3) Wanderlei Silva
4) Ricardo Arona (Owned by Rampage Jackson with a Power Bomb)
5) Antonio Nogueira
6) Renato Sobral (Ahead of Ortiz and Jackson? )
7) Tito Ortiz
8) Quinton Jackson
9) Alistair Overeem
10) Forrest Griffin

Originally Posted by Pedigree

Ortiz was ahead on all three judges scorecards against Frank Shamrock, then he got stupid.

Babalu was Liddell's BEST competition? WOW! Babalu is so overrated it's not even funny, just like most Pride fighters. He hasn't beaten anyone.

As for Silva, he's been beaten by everyone including Ortiz and Belfort. Good thing he isn't fighting Chuck this year...he would have come out of that fight even uglier.

Originally Posted by the nut

Ortiz didn't get stupid, he got winded... that's why he became the cardio maniac that he is now.

As for Babalu, highly overrated? You seem to be a more a UFC fan, and Babalu has dominated his competition in the UFC, with the exception of Chuck. I would love to see an Ortiz v. Babalu fight, I think we would learn a lot about both fighters.

And I hate to agree with Bigdyl, but I think Silva would take Liddell. He is a much improved fighter Since those losses to Ortiz & Belfort.

Originally Posted by Pedigree

Renato Babalu Sobral


Pride doesn't have as high quality fighters as the UFC.
We could disagree on who is better and who is overrated forever and still not settle anything. But, numbers don't lie.

Silva just got killed! If that's how much he's improved, I'm not impressed. Chuck would own him.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

You know nothing about MMA.


99% of PRIDE fighters would destroy their UFC counterparts.

Silva got killed by Cro Cop, and since he has evolved, so is everyone else with the exception of the best fighter in the entire world, Fedor.


You're telling me Fedor, Cro Cop, Nog, or Shogun aren't as good as UFC fighters?

You're delusional, they would destroy any UFC fighter, and fuck a weight class.

Originally Posted by Pedigree

Could you find it in your heart to forgive me Mr. All-Knowing MMA Guy? BTW, I know a bit more than you think I do.
Anyway, you took my post out of context. I never said the specific fighters you listed aren't as good as UFC fighters. I said, "Pride doesn't have as high quality fighters as the UFC." That's a general statement and it is a fact. The fighters you named are great...no doubt about it. But overall, the UFC has more quality fighters than Pride.
Check Silva's stats against UFC fighters...I posted it already.

Originally Posted by Pedigree

Ortiz was ahead on all three judges scorecards against Frank Shamrock, then he got stupid.

Babalu was Liddell's BEST competition? WOW! Babalu is so overrated it's not even funny, just like most Pride fighters. He hasn't beaten anyone.

As for Silva, he's been beaten by everyone including Ortiz and Belfort. Good thing he isn't fighting Chuck this year...he would have come out of that fight even uglier.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

99% of PRIDE fighters would destroy their UFC counterparts.

Originally Posted by Doublebase

We get it. You do not like UFC.

Originally Posted by fUnc17

ufc isn't as exciting

i dislike ufc rules. pride's rules are top notch, they let them fight.

Also i believe UFC fighters have a different approach to their fights. Instead of trying to escape when they are being pummeled by elbows, fists, etc. they lay there and wait for the ref to jump in.

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

I view Pride as more of a "slugfest" style of fighting with very little reguard to the safety of the combatants, and UFC more of a "chessmatch" where defense and safety are higher priorities. I can definitely see where one would say Pride is more exciting. That being said, I sure would like to see more of it on basic cable. Until that happens, UFC will reign supreme here in the States.

Originally Posted by Pedigree

Renato Babalu Sobral

But, numbers don't lie.

Silva just got killed! If that's how much he's improved, I'm not impressed. Chuck would own him.

Originally Posted by the nut

I don't think Griffin is there yet, and I'm not sure about Tito after a questionable victory over Griffin and this saga with Shamrock. He needs to prove himself.