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Posted by: BigDyl

Discuss.

Posted by: SuperFlex

Hughes, but it won't be easy... Penn beat Gomi as well.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Hughes will win, no problem.

Posted by: bigss75

Hughes will win, Penn is alot better in a lower weightclass

Posted by: fUnc17

hughes will win by points or knockout unless he gets caught in an submission

BJ penn is great on the ground, hughes should really avoid taking it there

Posted by: BigDyl

True Story, Penn's natural weight class is 155. Hughes fights at 170, but usually weighs 185-1ninety, and has to cut down. So it's like a virtual 35 LB weight advantage--at least lean body mass wise.

Do you people think Hughes will win with strikes? You think Penn isn't a good striker?

Posted by: goandykid

when is it

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Saturday night.

Swick vs. Loisseau same night

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Saturday night.

Swick vs. Loisseau same night

What time will it be on youtube?

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Haha I know right. Saves me $39.99.

Posted by: Doublebase

I like Penn but I think Hughes has improved so much. Hughes is gonna smash him. + Dyl voted for Penn so you know Hughes will def win.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Dyl voted for Penn .

There's a shocker...

Hughes ground and pound, second round TKO. He's too big.

Posted by: ReproMan

What is everyones thoughts on the Swick vs. Loiseau fight? I think this will probably make for the best fight on the card.

Posted by: Double D

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Originally Posted by fUnc17

hughes will win by points or knockout unless he gets caught in an submission

BJ penn is great on the ground, hughes should really avoid taking it there

Well as you should recall Gracie was suppose to be at a huge advantage on the ground, but Hughes went there with him and dominated.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

What is everyones thoughts on the Swick vs. Loiseau fight? I think this will probably make for the best fight on the card.

Yeah I agree with that. Probably anticipating this more than Hughes/Penn II. I think Swick probably has a slight edge cause he is real good all around, but I'm hoping Loisseau bounces back from his loss against Franklin and ends Swick with some nice elbows. This is Loisseaus first since Franklin correct?

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

What is everyones thoughts on the Swick vs. Loiseau fight? I think this will probably make for the best fight on the card.

How great is that. I'm so happy that Swick gets a chance like this. He is an awesome fighter. I hope he wins. Loiseau is no joke though. I will be in New Orleans so I will not be able to see the fights. Somebody will post them.

Posted by: BigDyl

Actually I'm correct on the majority of fights that I've picked. So what if I was wrong with Gracie/Hughes. Who is right 100% of the time, you?

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

Actually I'm correct on the majority of fights that I've picked. So what if I was wrong with Gracie/Hughes. Who is right 100% of the time, you?

You think you know everything about MMA. You made a thread stating "Matt Hughes Sucks". That just shows how little you know. I laugh at your posts. That is all you are good for.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

This is Loisseaus first since Franklin correct?

Yes.

Posted by: aceshigh

hughes will win but not easily penn knows his shit

Posted by: 911=InsideJob

Hughes barely.

The only guy who could touch Hughes right now is GSP.

Posted by: drew

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Originally Posted by 911=InsideJob

Hughes barely.

The only guy who could touch Hughes right now is GSP.

Amen to that!

Posted by: thefutureisnow

Penn all the way.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

You think you know everything about MMA. You made a thread stating "Matt Hughes Sucks". That just shows how little you know. I laugh at your posts. That is all you are good for.

I know more than you about MMA son.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

I know more than you about MMA son.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by 911=InsideJob

Hughes barely.

The only guy who could touch Hughes right now is GSP.

Yet the GSP/Penn fight could have gone either way IMO.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Yet the GSP/Penn fight could have gone either way IMO.

Agreed. Penn looked good. Not very aggressive but fired back everytime GSP made a move. Maybe his conditioning wasn't up to par. IDK.

Posted by: BigDyl

Sherdoger's are 50/50 split on fight.

Posted by: CRASHMAN

decision for hughes by BJ gasing

Posted by: goandykid

can some1 do the round by round?

Posted by: CRASHMAN

www.sherdog.com

Posted by: goandykid

thanks crash

Posted by: CRASHMAN

no prob

Posted by: CRASHMAN

I Love How I Am Right!!!

Posted by: the nut

Hughes

Posted by: CRASHMAN

Posted by: the nut

GSP II gonna be good...

GSP talkin' trash!

Posted by: goandykid

Matt Hughes (Pictures) vs. B.J. Penn (Pictures)
Round 1
Penn enters the Octagon looking calm and confident. Hughes makes the walk to the cage to his usual Hank Williams Jr. theme music.

Penn lands a left hook to the body to kickoff the action. Hughes working for a single but Penn leaps on foot to the cage and defends. Hughes eats a right hand and answers with a punch of his own. Hughes backs away and eats a right hand before scoring a single leg takedown. B.J. rises to his feet and hits Hughes with a one-two. Hughes is poked in the eye accidentally, requiring a doctors check. Hughes gives the OK after the doctor’s thumbs-up and the fight continues. The duration of the first round is spent against the cage as Hughes works for a takedown. Sherdog.com scores the first 10-9 for Penn.

Round 2
Hughes lands a left jab and a right to the body before scoring a takedown against the cage. Hughes working to pass guard. Penn Closes his guard as Hughes tries to posture and pass to both sides. Hughes lands a elbow. B.J. working for an omaplata. Hughes escapes and drops another elbow. Two elbows rock B.J. Penn sweeps and takes Hughes' back. B.J. working for the rear naked choke. Bj now has a triangle from the back with an arm trapped. The fight is almost over. B.J. switched to an armbar just before Hughes escaped as the round comes to a close. Penn wins round 2, 10-9.

Round 3
Hughes opening up with some punches as the third period begins. Left hook lands for the champion. Another left lands for the mainlander. Stiff jab from Hughes. Huge uppercut lands for Hughes. B.J. rocked. Hughes scores a takedown and passes to half-guard. Hughes now in side control and traps Penn’s left arm. Hughes pounding away. Hughes pounds on a trapped Penn until “Big” John stops the fight. Hughes defeds his title with a TKO at 3:53 of the third round.

Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by the nut

GSP II gonna be good...

GSP talkin' trash!

no tv here, whats goin on

Posted by: goandykid

sounded like a great fight, i hope someone posts the youtube link soon

Posted by: the nut

Penn won first easily, second Penn pulled out in end and almost submitted Hughes. Penn gassed at end of second.

Hughes cracked him in stand up and went to ground... hughes got Penn in crucifex and dropped about thirty bombs on Penn's head. McCarthy stopped it.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by goandykid

no tv here, whats goin on

GSP told Hughes he wasn't impressed with him.

Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by the nut

GSP told Hughes he wasn't impressed with him.

Did he come into the ring? Was this a post-fight interview thing

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by goandykid

Did he come into the ring? Was this a post-fight interview thing

Yeh, they did a post fight interview with Hughes and then they brought GSP in and talked to him.

Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by the nut

Yeh, they did a post fight interview with Hughes and then they brought GSP in and talked to him.

Ill still put Hughes over GSP, and I saw the first fight.

Posted by: the nut

Hughes was very fortunate that BJ winded. GSP will be a test.

Posted by: BigDyl

BJ is still a better natural fighter, he just lacked cardio.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by the nut

GSP II gonna be good...

GSP talkin' trash!

Hell yeah it will... GSP will win.

I'm glad Hughes beat Penn. Penn is a little prick, but he can fight, no doubt. Come on youtube!

Posted by: SuperFlex

I can't believe Swick won!

Posted by: AKIRA

vids?

Posted by: Double D

People can make excuses all they want, like Penn got winded. Big whoop. Guess he shouldve trained harder. The fact is Hughes won. He may not have dominated, but the fact is he is still champ.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by Double D

People can make excuses all they want, like Penn got winded. Big whoop. Guess he shouldve trained harder. The fact is Hughes won. He may not have dominated, but the fact is he is still champ.

Yup and a better fighter than Penn

. This one was almost as easy to call as Gracie/Hughes. GSP vs. Hughes will be a fight.

Posted by: Double D

I am excited to see GSP vs. Hughes, however I think I give the nod to Hughes once again. Hell I got to I live like 30 minutes away from his home town.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by Double D

People can make excuses all they want, like Penn got winded. Big whoop. Guess he shouldve trained harder. The fact is Hughes won. He may not have dominated, but the fact is he is still champ.

Yeah, I think the best fighters are the ones with no skill and 1000% cardio ability.

I think UFC should have more rounds--that way fighters with more cardio endurance can win. That's what fighting is all about...

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Yup and a better fighter than Penn

. This one was almost as easy to call as Gracie/Hughes. GSP vs. Hughes will be a fight.

Riiight. There is no way you saw that fight.

Posted by: Double D

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

Please....he knew what he was getting himself into before he did. He knew he had to be in 100% physical condition. Hell thats half of it. Or did you not know that?

Besides Hughes is the better fighter, why else would he still be champ. Cant argue against the champ. He is the champ for a reason. And if that reason is he was in better shape then so be it, obviously he wanted it more.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Hughes is an animal. 2 Consecutive losses for Penn. He better hope he fights a chump next time. A fight is a fight. Don't matter if it was won because of Hughes' better conditioning. Shows he's the smarter fighter and that he deserved it.

Posted by: AKIRA

Shit. I hate Hughes. Vids?

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Shit. I hate Hughes. Vids?

I've been lookin on Youtube.com all day but nothing so far. I'll post em when they're up.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by Double D

Please....he knew what he was getting himself into before he did. He knew he had to be in 100% physical condition. Hell thats half of it. Or did you not know that?

Anything can happen when you're at that level. So to say "OH SO OBVIOUS HUGHES WAS GONNA WIN" is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. Hughes was lucky he didn't pass out in the end of the 2nd round. Also Penn took the fight on short notice--maybe he will have more gas next time he fights Hughes.

Penn: 1
Hughes: 1

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Hughes has been close to submission plenty of times and turned it around. i.e. Carlos Newton, Frank Trigg. That's what makes him such an exciting competitor. He doesn't give up easy. This fight was an easy call in my opinion.

Posted by: BigDyl

Anyone can say that after the fact.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

I said it before Gracie and voted Hughes easily.

Posted by: CRASHMAN

BJ by far is the better, his cardio just blows. I gained new respect for BJ in that fight. I am now on the penn bandwagon. Although he lost, he is clearly at another level.

Posted by: CRASHMAN

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I said it before Gracie and voted Hughes easily.

that was not easy for hughes he got demolished. Nothing he did came close to challenging Bj until he gassed. Bj lost the fight for Bj. hughes didn't win bj lost.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by CRASHMAN

that was not easy for hughes he got demolished. Nothing he did came close to challenging Bj until he gassed. Bj lost the fight for Bj. hughes didn't win bj lost.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

It's exactly what he said. BJ Penn beat himself. It's really annoying how you try to ignore the fact that BJ owned the fight and clearly had no energy left in round 3. BJ's ground game was quite frankly some of the best I've ever seen. Hughes took advantage of it and fell on him.

So stfu with your Hughes nut huggin'.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Penn lost period

. That's the ultimate fact. His own fault his cardio game is ass. What a dumbass for not being prepared for a title fight. Nothing else matters. He lost lol. Hughes retains belt. Proves he's the best. Close thread.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Penn lost period

Penn is where the evolution of MMA is headed. It's not all of the marketed guys that dana whores. It's people that have true skill. Penn was a BJJ world champion, and got his BJJ blackbelt in under 3 years. That's talent.

Matt Hughes first of all is roided out of his mind. He normally weighs in at 185. Penn usually weighs much less. His natural weight class is 155. 30 Lb's difference. He gains alot of fat to fight Hughes and derserves much respect. You disrespect him by saying he has no talent and that Hughes has more skill. Hughes has more conditioning, but is a roided up asshole. His day will come.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

Penn is where the evolution of MMA is headed. It's not all of the marketed guys that dana whores. It's people that have true skill. Penn was a BJJ world champion, and got his BJJ blackbelt in under 3 years. That's talent.

Matt Hughes first of all is roided out of his mind. He normally weighs in at 185. Penn usually weighs much less. His natural weight class is 155. 30 Lb's difference. He gains alot of fat to fight Hughes and derserves much respect. You disrespect him by saying he has no talent and that Hughes has more skill. Hughes has more conditioning, but is a roided up asshole. His day will come.

Please show me where I said this. Thank You.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

You're an idiot!

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by the nut

You're an idiot!

You know nothing about MMA, and didn't even watch the fight, so close your mouth son.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

At least he knows Hughes won and deserves credit for defeating someone that had beat him in the past.

(waits for more excuses)

Posted by: SuperFlex

Matt Hughes 40-4>BJ Penn 10-4-1

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

At least he knows Hughes won and deserves credit for defeating someone that had beat him in the past.

(waits for more excuses)

No, I'm presenting a justification, not an excuse. An excuse disregards repsonsibility, and in this case Penn was responsible for losing. However the REASON he lost was because he had no cardio after round 2. You can't argue that if he had the cardio to go all 5 rounds that he would have lost.

Cardio is something any fighter can get. But true skill is not, and that's the difference.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by SuperFlex

Matt Hughes 40-4>BJ Penn 10-4-1

Everyone > you.

Posted by: goandykid

vid?

Posted by: Goodfella9783

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yXM70So3J9g

Posted by: CRASHMAN

[quote=BigDyl;1458952]No, I'm presenting a justification, not an excuse. An excuse disregards repsonsibility, and in this case Penn was responsible for losing. However the REASON he lost was because he had no cardio after round 2. You can't argue that if he had the cardio to go all 5 rounds that he would have lost.

Cardio is something any fighter can get. But true skill is not, and that's the difference.[/QUOTE

100% agreed. Plus, Penn took the fight on short notice when GSP got injured.

Posted by: 911=InsideJob

Incredible fight!!!

GSP is the next champion though.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

What was sweeter? Watching Hughes pound Royce's head in or mashing Penn's head? Jiu-Jitsu lost.

Posted by: CRASHMAN

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

What was sweeter? Watching Hughes pound Royce's head in or mashing Penn's head? Jiu-Jitsu lost.

Royce.

Posted by: CRASHMAN

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Originally Posted by 911=InsideJob

Incredible fight!!!

GSP is the next champion though.

True. then it'll be Hughes vs. BJ for #1 contender down the line

Posted by: SuperFlex

The next 170lb. UFC fight to watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ah9nr-JMd8&NR

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by SuperFlex

Matt Hughes 40-4>BJ Penn 10-4-1

...

Posted by: IainDaniel

It is too bad. Clearly someone who is a natural and great fighter to not have the heart and dedication to be prepared for a fight. This isn't the first time Penn has shown up not conditioned enough.

Ah well C'est la vie.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

What was sweeter? Watching Hughes pound Royce's head in or mashing Penn's head? Jiu-Jitsu lost.

You retard, Hughes trains Jiu Jitsu more than anything else.

And MMA isn't "jiu jitsu." That's why it's called mixed martial arts.

You're turning into a troll and purposely making ignorant comments.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

But he's not as well versed as Penn or Royce. I know MMA isn't jiu-jitsu just some are better than others at it. And he clearly won with his fists. Penn was tired in the 3rd round and Hughes capitalized by landing some big shots and forcing Penn to the ground. Then Hughes just over powered him after passing guard and putting all his weight on Penn and landing so many unanswered shots.

Why don't you cry about it? Who's the ignorant one saying Penn is the overall better fighter?

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

What was sweeter? Watching Hughes pound Royce's head in or mashing Penn's head? Jiu-Jitsu lost.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

It's not ignorant to make that claim since they are currently 1 and 1. Penn has more natural talent, period.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

It's not ignorant to make that claim since they are currently 1 and 1. Penn has more natural talent, period.

Whatever kid. You're the one who made the thread "Matt Hughes Sucks" so don't tell me about purposely making ignorant statements.

Posted by: Double D

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

He did take the fight on short notice, but Hughes is the champ for a reason he knows what it takes to get it done.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Short notice or not, someone in a sport such as MMA should have cardio year-round. Hughes worked specifically on conditioning, BJ tried to fight to get in shape...It's no wonder he gassed. The fight went 3 rounds, so it doesn't matter that it was scheduled for 5.

Not everyone can get the cardio, either, some are genetically gifted that way, some bust their ass to get it, and some just hope it comes. IMO, based on all of the pre-fight stuff, the outcome of this match was based on 1 person training optimally, and one person not.

Posted by: ponyboy

Read a report that said Penn got his ribs hurt in the second round and couldn't breathe well, hence he had no juice left for the third. That may be an excuse for his poor showing dying in the third round but it was a great fight regardless, much better than the crap showing of UFC 62.

Can't wait for Octboer 10th and Ortiz/Shamrock 3!

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

Read a report that said Penn got his ribs hurt in the second round and couldn't breathe well, hence he had no juice left for the third. That may be an excuse for his poor showing dying in the third round but it was a great fight regardless, much better than the crap showing of UFC 62.

Can't wait for Octboer 10th and Ortiz/Shamrock 3!

Yup and 4 days after that Rich Franklin vs. Anderson Silva + Sean Sherk vs. Kenny Florian @ UFC 64. Should be a nice week.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Whatever kid. You're the one who made the thread "Matt Hughes Sucks" so don't tell me about purposely making ignorant statements.

No, you've been contantly making ignorant statements throughout the thread.

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Hughes has been close to submission plenty of times and turned it around. i.e. Carlos Newton, Frank Trigg. That's what makes him such an exciting competitor. He doesn't give up easy. This fight was an easy call in my opinion.

Easy call? Thanks for posting the vid by the way.

Id almost say he threw the fight. But you are right, JJ lost.

And I do also have to agree, that cardio is the most important thing, BJ's talent didnt net him a win before the 3rd round, so Id say things were pretty much equal except the fact that Hughes is conditioned better.

Although..and this is tough to say at the very least...I do agree with BigDyl a bit here. I never thought BJ was that small! And he still saw it through! Hughes was fresh in the beginning and not one take down, THEN the 2nd round Hughes did get a takedown only to fall into BJ's hold! Id say that bell saved Hughes big time. That BJ is one tough fucking guy. Oh and I dont htink Hughes is roided.

Those commentators make me laugh sometimes. And was the crowd chanting BJ? I guess no one likes that asshole Hughes.

Id say Hughes earned the victory though, but for some reason I find it flawed as well..

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

No, you've been contantly making ignorant statements throughout the thread.

Yeah I guess saying that Matt Hughes is better because he overcame opponents better at Jiu Jitsu than him is ignorant?

Where the real MMA fans at? Holla.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Yeah I guess saying that Matt Hughes is better because he overcame opponents better at Jiu Jitsu than him is ignorant?

Where the real MMA fans at? Holla.

Penn pwned him once, and got injured this fight.

Posted by: ReproMan

Considering conditioning is 50% and talent is the other 50%, the right man won. You can have all the talent in the world and come into a fight ill prepared and lose. Which is exactly what happened. Without a doubt BJ showed superior BJJ skills and flexibility, but he lacked strength and cardio which ultimately was his demise. Matt Hughes showed us once again that desire and hardwork will beat raw talent most of the time...

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

Penn pwned him once, and got injured this fight.

Yup and got owned and smashed real hard. Looked like Hughes was his dad and Penn was the 8 yr. old son.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Considering conditioning is 50% and talent is the other 50%, the right man won. You can have all the talent in the world and come into a fight ill prepared and lose. Which is exactly what happened. Without a doubt BJ showed superior BJJ skills and flexibility, but he lacked strength and cardio which ultimately was his demise. Matt Hughes showed us once again that desire and hardwork will beat raw talent most of the time...

Agree 100%. Who you got for Franklin/Silva?

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Agree 100%. Who you got for Franklin/Silva?

Ya gotta go with Franklin I would think. Silva is a great striker but I'm sure Franklin will come in with a good gameplan. We already know he's gonna be in great shape...

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Ya gotta go with Franklin I would think. Silva is a great striker but I'm sure Franklin will come in with a good gameplan. We already know he's gonna be in great shape...

Yeah same here. I'm hoping for a 3 or 4 round fight though. I want to see a real battle.

Posted by: Doublebase

Awesome fight. I just watched it here the hotel lobby. Thanks for posting the vid Goodfella. Wow is all I gotta say. That was some of the most impressive Jiu Jitsu I have seen. BJ Penn is really fun to watch. I just sucks he gases in the third. He really gased too. He could barely stand up. WTF can't this guy get his cardio up? I read through some of the pages here. A lot of Bigdyl excuses and that Penn is still a better fighter. W/E. Did he give Hughes any props? Now I gotta go find the Swick fight. I'm so happy Swick won. He has come a long way.

Posted by: the nut

Great BJJ fighters know how to handle themselves when they get winded, they certainly wouldn't stand up with a strong fighter. He may have good skills but he's not a smart fighter. And, it wasn't like he was winded in the fourth or fifth round, it was the third round of a potential five round fight... what a bitch. He came out firing, kicked Hughes ass for 2 rounds, but couldn't finish him.

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

You know nothing about MMA, and didn't even watch the fight, so close your mouth son.

I watched the fight, my wallett is 39.99 lighter because of it. Keep reading your Fisher Price my first Jiu-Jitsu book and talking nonsense on the internet, punk! If had any BJJ training you'd have a little respect for a fighter like Hughes.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Posted by: fUnc17

Hughes is boring as shit to watch.

Penn's takedown defense was absolutely ridiculous

his ground game was incredible

Hughes stand up is a god damn JOKE.

BJ's conditioning was fucking terrible, he WAS WINNING the fight. He got gassed, it happens. Penn would have won if he was conditioned properly

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by fUnc17

Hughes is boring as shit to watch.

Penn's takedown defense was absolutely ridiculous

his ground game was incredible

Hughes stand up is a god damn JOKE.

BJ's conditioning was fucking terrible, he WAS WINNING the fight. He got gassed, it happens. Penn would have won if he was conditioned properly

If the Queen had balls, she'd be king. He gassed after 2 rounds... that's terrible.

Boring?... Royce Gracie was incredibly boring to watch, does that mean he's not a great fighter.

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by the nut

Boring?... Royce Gracie was incredibly boring to watch, does that mean he's not a great fighter.

Yes. Yes it does.

Posted by: fUnc17

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If the Queen had balls, she'd be king. He gassed after 2 rounds... that's terrible.

Boring?... Royce Gracie was incredibly boring to watch, does that mean he's not a great fighter.

Actually, whats terrible is that the ONLY reason hughes won was because Penn was gassed.

Penn knows his cardio is shit, that will be fixed.

there is so much wrong with hughes' game he'd be unable to improve everything all at once (stand up and jiu jitsu).

He got owned on his feet, he got owned when he tried taking Penn down, and he got owned when he was on the ground squirming out of trangles, armbars, and penn's rubberguard. He is very lucky.

Hughes didnt win because he was better, he won because Penn got the best of himself by not preparing, it had nothing to do with what Hughes did.

and royce gracie was not boring to those who appreciate and understand jiu jitsu. he was/is/ and will always will be an absolute magician on the ground.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by fUnc17

Actually, whats terrible is that the ONLY reason hughes won was because Penn was gassed.

Penn knows his cardio is shit, that will be fixed.

there is so much wrong with hughes' game he'd be unable to improve everything all at once (stand up and jiu jitsu).

He got owned on his feet, he got owned when he tried taking Penn down, and he got owned when he was on the ground squirming out of trangles, armbars, and penn's rubberguard. He is very lucky.

Hughes didnt win because he was better, he won because Penn got the best of himself by not preparing, it had nothing to do with what Hughes did.

and royce gracie was not boring to those who appreciate and understand jiu jitsu. he was/is/ and will always will be an absolute magician on the ground.

It had everything to do with what Hughes did not during the fight, but before it, and of all people on this forum that should know that, you are one. He came prepared and Penn didn't. Last time I checked that's all part of the fight game... I'm smarter than 90% of college grads, does that mean I should get a degree without going to college? No fucking way. Penn blew it, no excuses.

Posted by: the nut

So what, let's only have one round five minute fight, so the less conditioned can compete.

Penn absolutley dominated the first 2 rounds. But, he couldn't even lift his arms in the third round. He obviously was trying to do what he did in the first fight, and be aggressive and finish Hughes. But he couldn't, and that took a lot out of him. I think Penn could be the best welterweight if he was more dedicated. His ground skills are amazing. I hope they fight a third time, but I think GSP is gonna beat Hughes.

I'm not a huge Hughes fan, but I respect what he has done in MMA. Yeh, maybe his weight class dosen't have the talent as the others, but that's not his fault. He has now beaten all his competition including Penn and Gsp.

And, yes a lot of MMA fans find Gracie style boring to watch. Briliant, but boring!

Posted by: Goodfella9783

I know GSP is next in line, but what would you all think of a Diego Sanchez/Hughes matchup?

Posted by: goandykid

Dead link, I hate being slow to the punch

Any new links, or did anyone bother saving the video?

Posted by: BigPapaPump68

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ltbm83WKJA&NR

HURRY BEFORE IT GOES OFF

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I know GSP is next in line, but what would you all think of a Diego Sanchez/Hughes matchup?

I think it would be great. They should put that on a card with Liddell/Griffin also.

Posted by: ReproMan

Loiseau vs. Swick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzTWkuRAaFE

Posted by: bigss75

Franklin training with Miletich? He cornered Hughes that match or is it because Pat is fighting in a WFA

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by bigss75

Franklin training with Miletich? He cornered Hughes that match or is it because Pat is fighting in a WFA

He's been with them for a while. At least through the last few UFC's.

Posted by: bigss75

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

He's been with them for a while. At least through the last few UFC's.

Really ? I thought he was still with extreme

Posted by: ReproMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigss75

Really ? I thought he was still with extreme

I don't know if he trains with them exclusively, but I know he's been active with them over the last few months.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

I don't know if he trains with them exclusively, but I know he's been active with them over the last few months.

Yeah he cornered Sylvia for Sylvia/Arlovski III too.

Posted by: IainDaniel

FYI

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=3627

Posted by: BigDyl

ROFL! Hughes was "praying" while he was in Penn's triangle.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

ROFL! Hughes was "praying" while he was in Penn's triangle.

Seemed to be effective, he got out and pounded the shit out of him in the next round.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

ROFL! Hughes was "praying" while he was in Penn's triangle.

But Hughes came out of it with a belt and another title defense next month. Penn came out with this 2nd straight loss and year ending injuries. Penn lost. ROFL

Posted by: drew_c

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

But Hughes came out of it with a belt and another title defense next month. Penn came out with this 2nd straight loss and year ending injuries. Penn lost. ROFL

He lost for sure.. but Hughes cannot possibly be looking forward to the potential rematch. He has no reason to be confident.

Regardless of how the cards fall in the 170lb division while Penn is healing he has a bright future if he stays in the UFC. I think he could easily snatch up the 155lb belt if given the opportunity.

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