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Posted by: IainDaniel

Since they started keeping stats in 1871, there won't be a 20 game winner



Posted by: ReproMan

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Since they started keeping stats in 1871, there won't be a 20 game winner
We may never see a 300 game winner again.

Who's closest Mussina?



Posted by: bigss75

Glavine is close with 289 and randy johnson has 280



Posted by: ReproMan

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Glavine is close with 289 and randy johnson has 280
Mussina around 270?



Posted by: bigss75

I think around 240



Posted by: Triple Threat

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Glavine is close with 289 and randy johnson has 280


Mussina 238 and David Wells 229 are the next two active players.



Posted by: bigss75

Its hard to see randy getting to 300. Glavine maybe



Posted by: IainDaniel

Randy is only 20 off. Depends on how long he wants to keep his career going.



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Mussina 238 and David Wells 229 are the next two active players.
Pedro Martinez and Andy Pettite have a good chance in about 7-8 years.



Posted by: min0 lee

This say's a lot the quality of pitching today, no wonder hitters are better nowadays.

The babe would have a 100 homers by now.



Posted by: Double D

Glavine will get there. Theres really no doubt there.



Posted by: min0 lee

It's funny but a couple of years ago there was a bit of doubt as to whether he could ever get them as a Met.



Posted by: Double D

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It's funny but a couple of years ago there was a bit of doubt as to whether he could ever get them as a Met.
I agreed then as well. I thought whenever he came over he was below average at best. To put it bluntly he stunk it up! But now not only has he turned it around so havent the mets. You know the saying "If one goes they all go".



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Pitchers today are far better than the pitchers of yesteryear, it's just that the gap between hitter and pitcher is less. Babe wouldn't be able to cork his bat now, so my guess is more like 20 homers.

The real problem is that 60 years ago, 1 maybe 2 pitchers pitched a game, nowadays 5 pitchers may pitch 9 innings, 3 at the very least.



Posted by: Double D

Whether or not Babe did cork his bat I dont know that we will ever know, but however he did swing a 51 ounce bat! And if he knew what the guys of today know he would've undoubtedly hit over 70 homers in a season.



Posted by: min0 lee

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Pitchers today are far better than the pitchers of yesteryear, it's just that the gap between hitter and pitcher is less. Babe wouldn't be able to cork his bat now, so my guess is more like 20 homers.

The real problem is that 60 years ago, 1 maybe 2 pitchers pitched a game, nowadays 5 pitchers may pitch 9 innings, 3 at the very least.
That rumor was definitly started by a RedSox.....haters.

Pitching was at it best in the 60's and 70's.

Roger Clemens was pretty good in the 80's and 90's, there were a few pitchers as good as him......I don't think there are too many that are as good as he is now in his 40's.

Why would you say there are better pitchers now anyway?
There's a shortage of quality lefty hitters.

In fact I don't think I ever saw the National league pitch so awful.



Posted by: min0 lee

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Whether or not Babe did cork his bat I dont know that we will ever know, but however he did swing a 51 ounce bat! And if he knew what the guys of today know he would've undoubtedly hit over 70 homers in a season.
Look at Sammy Sosa, he's juiced up....was caught with a corked bat and played more games in a season.
Take away all 3 and I doubt he would get 60 homers.



Posted by: min0 lee

Make that 50.



Posted by: Double D

I dont know. Players no days know what it takes to get the job done. And with pitching so much worse now and bats more refined, not to mention all of the mechanics that go into hitting now, I think the Babe may shatter the record. However thats one thing we will never know.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Don't forget he was a raging alcoholic, and there are 50 different pitches now, as opposed to like 2 back in the day.

I would say the pitching is watered down now, but that is because there are twice as many teams, not a lack of talent. Also, take into consideration the larger amount of travel, there were no teams west of the mississippi, and I don't think Babe's body would be able to take a season now. If he laid off the alcohol, maybe.



Posted by: min0 lee

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Don't forget he was a raging alcoholic, and there are 50 different pitches now, as opposed to like 2 back in the day.

I would say the pitching is watered down now, but that is because there are twice as many teams, not a lack of talent. Also, take into consideration the larger amount of travel, there were no teams west of the mississippi, and I don't think Babe's body would be able to take a season now. If he laid off the alcohol, maybe.
These guys fly all over now, taking the railroad back then was tough.....they had no AC either.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

He was passed out anyway.



Posted by: min0 lee

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He was passed out anyway.









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