Originally Posted by kenwood

yeah ican only do lateal raises w/ freakin 5lb db's lmao. i can actually do 135lb military press once or twice lol but its freakin weak! i try everything to improve it but nothin at all. my freakin ez bar curls are better than that lmao

Originally Posted by fUnc17

the most i ever did was 165x8

Originally Posted by kenwood

when you bench, where do you put your hands on the bar? my hands are usually 10" away from each other, even when i max out :S

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

10" is more of a close grip...you need to remeasure dawg..

Originally Posted by kenwood

well thats what my grip is :\

Originally Posted by mike456

yes if you have strong tris/weakdelts, it is better to use a Closer grip ofcourse, because youll lift alot more weight that way

Originally Posted by kenwood

ok i will start doing them in my workout. which workout tho? push or pull?. is this the reason i also suck at arm wrestling? lol

Originally Posted by mike456

your still doing that crappy push-pull shyt

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Take the speed of light in meters per second, divide that by the population of Calcutta, India, multiply that by the percentage of US households without more than one television, multiply once more by the amount of wood a woodchuck can chuck in pounds per hour, and then add the number of democrats in the house of representatives.

That's how much I can military press for 3 repetitions.

Originally Posted by kenwood

lol fullbody push/pull . why is it crappy?

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Take the speed of light in meters per second, divide that by the population of Calcutta, India, multiply that by the percentage of US households without more than one television, multiply once more by the amount of wood a woodchuck can chuck in pounds per hour, and then add the number of democrats in the house of representatives.

That's how much I can military press for 3 repetitions.

Originally Posted by mike456

havent you learned yet that higher frequency programs (upper/lower twice a week, or TBW 2-3xs a week) are more superior.

Originally Posted by kenwood

well its a fullbody workout 2x's a week

Originally Posted by mike456

you just proved your a retard

Originally Posted by kenwood

yes...for example: like instead of training chest one time aweek you train it 2-3x's aweek.

Originally Posted by mike456

first you said "lol fullbody push/pull . why is it crappy?"
than you said "well its a fullbody workout 2x's a week"

so that means you are training 2xs a week? or do you just have a hard time expressing your self?

Originally Posted by kenwood

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!


lol i just get confused and just type shit lol. i mean here

mon: fb push
tues. fb pull
wed- off
thurs- mondays
fri- tuesdays-sat&sun- off

Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Seated Military Press 265 for 8 solid reps.

Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Seated Military Press 265 for 8 solid reps.

Originally Posted by kenwood

holy shit! . do you have any pics? not of you doing it just body pics, etc.

Originally Posted by mike456

try his gallery

Originally Posted by AKIRA

He said SEATED. Seated I did around 225lbs. Then months later I did Standing...got it up to 185lbs.

Different story when you stand and press.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

I tried a barbell seated military press when I was 14, one time. Never again. I think it feels terribly akward. You can't move out of the way for a natural bar path properly. I don't mind doing seated overhead pressing with dumbbells though.

Originally Posted by mike456

standing is better, you don't put pressure on your spine, and it requires core stabilization.

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Standing - 160x5

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

You can potentially put a ton of pressure on ur spine (lock ur knees)...And you don't think you put pressure on ur spine everytime u put a barbell on ur back or deadlift?? You are thinking too much in terms of absolutes.
No you do not put nearly as much pressure on your spine when squatting or deadlifting than doing seated military presses with heavyweights, when your standing you have your legs to support you, when your seated... your screwed
Better is relative to the person's goals. Not everyone cares about core stabilization when they think of military pressing. Some people just want bigger, stronger delts...then get their core work in somewhere else.
well those people are stupid, they might as well use machines for every exercise, and than get there shoulder/knee/core stabilization work in somewere else
Although I'm sure it's happened...I've never heard of anyone hurting their back doing seated military presses. My friend (chiro) did tell me however, that sitting down is the worst position for a person's back and it's actually not natural lol.
whats your point? what is the advantage of doing it seated? and whats the disadvantages of doing it standing

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

Originally Posted by mike456

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

?? Are you serious?? When you say things like that, you better be able to back it up with facts. The FACT is that more people hurt their backs when squatting or deadlifting. Don't misunderstand...say ur military pressing/squatting/deadlifting 100 lbs..that doesn't mean in each scenario that 100lbs of pressure is being placed on ur spine. I want to say that depending on form and angle of pull and other compressive forces (intra-abdominal pressure)...pressure on the spine increases or sometimes multiplies...(e.g. rounding the back) You also typically USE a lot more weight when squatting and deadlifting...

More People hurt there backs when squatting or deadlifting because of bad form, not because of pressure being put on there spine. What the hell does that have to do with the fact that doing a seated press puts pressure on your back, I am sorry, but you are making no point

When your standing ur legs support you and when ur seated ....the seat supports you lol.

That is a stupid statement. How the hell is the seat supporting your spine!?!? say you are doing a seated press with 200lbs, you have 200lbs over you and nothing under your butt, except a freakin seat- how the hell is a seat going to take pressure of your spine?!? If your standing up you have your legs under you to take some of the pressure of your spine!

That's a stupid statement. You are speaking in absolutes again. So I'm an idiot when I do seated dumbell OH presses on monday?? I do use a chair every so often for a couple exercises and I ASSURE you my core is plenty strong (I've held planks with 125lbs on my back)

I made a good fucking point, you said they do a seated overhead press, and do core work elsewere, if there gonna do that they might as well use machines for every exercise and work on there stabilizers elsewere. The machine doesnt have any advantages on freeweights, but freeweights do have advantges on the machine, just as the seated press has no advantages on the standing press, but the standing press has advantages on the seated. Get it! I dont give a shit how much you can do a plank with on your back, if you did standing military press, your core would be stronger, and you will have a healthier spine

I'm not saying there IS an advantage. But ur not a fuck up if you want to sit down and focus on the actual OH press.

If there is no fucking advantage than why the hell would you do it! Just as there is no advantage to machines, thats why most smart people dont use them! Especially when there are good advantages to standing press, and good advantages to freeweights!

Originally Posted by AKIRA

I thought any overhead press will put load on the spine.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

I don't mind doing seated overhead pressing with dumbbells though.

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

Hey mike, Cowpimp also said this...





And p funk trains for olympic weightlifting....so why the hell would he do seated military press?? I don't think he bench presses either. What's ur point??



And yes, I push press too, big fucking deal, I like the exercise...I also like seated OH presses too.

THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT IS LOTS OF EXERCISES HAVE THEIR PLACE.

In your never ending quest for internet knowledge you have lost an OPEN MIND and have NO PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE. Can you even squat yet?? STFU. Didn't you fuckin fall down doin Standing military presses once?? How the fuck is that safe?? LMAO.

Originally Posted by mike456

Military Press is a standing overhead press with a barbell, no half reps, I am talking about all the way down to your upper chest and all the way up.
It doesn't have to be 1rm either, mines sucks, but I just wanted to get an idea of what most people can press, my max is 85lbsx7

oh just wanted to add no using your legs to get the bar up lol

Originally Posted by mike456

you are such douche, you are backed up in the corner and had nothing else to say to back up your point, so you start makin fun of me, LMAO

P-funk said clearly it puts less pressure on your spine.

No I can't squat and I fell over because I had very bad core stability, I can now do Military Presses (that happened when I first started training), after that I didnt do any core work, just compounds and know I can do them with no balance problems.

There is no fucking reason to do seated military press unless you have a very weak core like I did and would fall over if you did them standing! you are a jack ass, and I lost all respect for you. Standing Military Press works your core stability more, and puts less pressure on your spine, end ofstory jackass.

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

not EVERYONE has the same goals as you mike!! The only point I was EVER trying to make is that seated presses aren't bad and they serve a purpose as well!!

Originally Posted by mike456

standing is better, you don't put pressure on your spine, and it requires core stabilization.

Originally Posted by mike456

yes they are bad, they are bad for your spine, what purpose do they serve?

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

This was your original statement...that you don't put pressure on your spine. The fact is that you do. If someone (like you) has a weak core or a harder time balancing with weights overhead...or someone is more concerned with strength and size and less concerned with core stability (most bodybuilders) and wants to move more weight and feel the brunt of the exercise on their shoulders they might do a seated press!! It's not that difficult to understand!!

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

Oh god shut up with that shit...Do you squat?? Deadlift maybe??

Originally Posted by mike456

I'll say this one last time.
Seated Press puts more pressure on the spine, and takes out core stabilization. And has no advantages. It is never a good idea to do seated press, even if the person had an incredibly weak core (like me), and would fall over, I would have them do incline presses, because SEATED PRESS PUTS TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON THE SPINE and there is no advantage of seated press. Even if someone is just concerned with strength and size, and could care less about core stabilization (wich would be stupid), there is still no reason to do seated press over standing press, but there is a reason to do standing over seated (A HEALTHIER SPINE!)

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

My Brain Just Exploded

Originally Posted by assassin

my military press is so weak... maybe one of the reasons that i do them right after benching..but i still think i have a big problem with my shoulders ... my best was 135 for 5-6 reps ..... any suggestions to increase my military ??? shall i work overheads and military before benching instead after and alternate?

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

That's not bad. MP is hard. Are you not seeing any improvements right now?? Or is it just slow?

Originally Posted by assassin

my military press is so weak... maybe one of the reasons that i do them right after benching..but i still think i have a big problem with my shoulders ... my best was 135 for 5-6 reps ..... any suggestions to increase my military ??? shall i work overheads and military before benching instead after and alternate?

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Mike, I really doubt that a seated military press puts more compressive force on your spine than a deadlift. The moment arm from your lower back to the weight is much larger (When lifting loads, this appears to be the most important factor in terms of compressive force on the spine), and the loads you are dealing with are far greater. You also have to consider anterior and posterior shearing forces on the vertebrae, which can vary a lot depending on the vector from the load to your spine and the posture you use while moving the weight.

Also, there are reasons to do the overhead press seated. Some of the top benchers out there use a seated military press lockout for a maximal effort lift to help their lockout on the bench press.

Originally Posted by AKIRA

Yeah, you shouldve but you DIDNT!

Originally Posted by mike456

lol

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

am I still a douche that merits no respect??

Originally Posted by viet_jon

same here.

I'm at 100x5 OH press, while my dead is 2xBW and squat 1.6xBW squat.


MY shoulders suk ass.

Originally Posted by assassin

I'LL try prioritizing my shoulder lifts and do some rotator cuff and stuff work ,and see how it goes..