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Posted by: Dr. Pain

THE SITUATION:

One of my "newer" partners told one of my former partners, who told me.....

"Oh yeah, I can hang with DP."

THE LESSON:

STFU

THE W/O

Rules: always pyramid the weight, NO REST, not between sets, exercises, AT ANY TIME, except to change w8s (and do that quickly}

First GIANT set

Standing BB shoulder press (no push pressing)
Seated Military
Swiss Ball
Smith seated press

4 TIMES THROUGH 16 sets

Actually crushed the "Smacktalker", yelling at him the whole time about his wussy weight selection, incomplete reps were REDONE, and since I finished first, I gave him a "false spot" on his 3 rep failure, and made him groan:

"I CAN'T HANG WITH DP" he fought it all the way, I...I can't,,,COME ON SAY IT!

Next triset: (remember NO REST AT ANY TIME)

Swiss ball laterals
Cable two arm standing laterals
Body master lateral (stack's too small)

3 TIMES 9 sets

Then:

Swiss ball front raises
Cable one hand only fronts
Cable two hand rope front raises between legs
Fixed BB againt the pillar fronts

3 TIMES EXCEPT SINGLE DROP ON EACH EXERCISE 3rd SET Total 16 sets (cuz drops were 8+8

Shrug time:

Behind the back smith
DB standing
Trap Bar (diamond)
Body master machine shrugs

3 TIMES 12 sets

Last up REARS:

Cable two arm bent over
DB incline bench prone
Seated bent DB
Body master rear delt machine

3 TIMES 12 sets

TOTAL SETS 65 Elapsed time 52 minutes!

Comments

Partner one: FUCK CARDIO
Smacktaliker: I'll never say anything again
DP: AGAIN?...STFU

Before you "know it alls" slam my W/O's read this warning:

This is NOT a beginner W/O, this is INSANE, HARDCORE, DON'T EVEN TRY IT BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY CAN'T DO IT!

SO STFU!

Posted by: w8lifter

lmfao!

Posted by: Scotty the Body

Anyone ever tell you your a crazy SOB?!?! hehehehe, damn thats some crazy shit.

Q?, so you sit on the swiss ball and do DB shoulder press? (all you have is "swiss ball" whats that?)

Posted by: w8lifter

Originally posted by Scotty the Body
Anyone ever tell you your a crazy SOB?!?! hehehehe, damn thats some crazy shit.

I believe he's told that all the time...and it only makes him worse

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Originally posted by Scotty the Body
Anyone ever tell you your a crazy SOB?!?! hehehehe, damn thats some crazy shit.

Q?, so you sit on the swiss ball and do DB shoulder press? (all you have is "swiss ball" whats that?)

Yes, and they're a bit dificult too!

w8: I believe he's told that all the time...and it only makes him worse

I am, there were half a dozen comments just today, ranging from "Amazing" to "You made so and so puke (long list) didn't you!"

Posted by: Robboe

You do that workout once and then you need to take about 2 weeks off to recover fully.

It'd more worth while to simply do enough work on the day (about 4 sets) and then call it a day and go back seven days later, only this time using more weight or doing more reps.

Posted by: Snake_Eyes

Ummm-- DP, does that actually result in growth or just a good lactate threshold?

Posted by: w8lifter

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
You do that workout once and then you need to take about 2 weeks off to recover fully.

It'd more worth while to simply do enough work on the day (about 4 sets) and then call it a day and go back seven days later, only this time using more weight or doing more reps.

Well holy crap! I'm impressed Chicken Baby

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Originally posted by Snake_Eyes
Ummm-- DP, does that actually result in growth or just a good lactate threshold?

It can serve many purposes!

In this case to make someone say "mommy" or better yet "DP!"

It may or may not depending on your level of condition, produce a positive Golgi Response, push back anaerobic threshold, lactate threshold, increase VO2 max (hence O2 uptake), and because of the amount of trauma and micro tearing, there is always the possibily of hypertrophy.

DP

Posted by: KryptoAllez

Insane, just insane!

Posted by: Robboe

Originally posted by Dr. Pain

It can serve many purposes!

In this case to make someone say "mommy"of better yet DP!

It may or may not depending on your level of condition, produce a positive Golgi Response, push back anaerobic threshold, lactate threshold, increase VO2 max (hence O2 uptake), and because of the amount of trauma and micro tearing, there is always the possibily of hypertrophy.

DP

The amount of microtrauma would probably cause "repair" and probably not actual more growth than what was there previously.

And why do you need 65 sets to increase VO2 max?

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy

The amount of microtrauma would probably cause "repair" and probably not actual more growth than what was there previously.

And why do you need 65 sets to increase VO2 max?

Mr. Chicken Shiznit,

Your going to have to read with more comprehension if you would like to discuss this with me!

Originally posted by Dr. Pain

It can serve many purposes!

In this case to make someone say "mommy"of better yet DP!

It may or may not depending on your level of condition, produce a positive Golgi Response, push back anaerobic threshold, lactate threshold, increase VO2 max (hence O2 uptake), and because of the amount of trauma and micro tearing, there is always the possibily of hypertrophy.

DP

Notice the words "may or may not", also "depending on your level of condition",.

Therefore hypertrophy IS possible, and since there is no RI (rest Interval) and an anaerobic state is achieved at several points, a fit person may increase anaerobic thresholds and VO2 max via such a W/O, it doesn't necessarily take 65 sets, it takes what it takes!

A little known fact is that many Olympic lifters have VO2s in the mid 60s, with absolutely no cardio! There are also studies indicating that resistance training alone can improve VO2 in endurance trained athletes!

DP

Posted by: Robboe

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
Mr. Chicken Shiznit,
DP

lol, what's up dude? Am i working you up? lol.

How often do you suggest doing this routine anyway?

And how would you shape it around the rest of the week's workouts?

Posted by: KryptoAllez

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy

lol, what's up dude? Am i working you up? lol.

...

My interpretation would be like you resemble a pesky fly to him. But at least you're trying to understand, that's always a good thing. Don't be set in your own ways and keep an open mind, unlike another forum I know. Pay attention and you'll learn from one of the best!

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Thanks Krypto

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy

lol, what's up dude? Am i working you up? lol.

How often do you suggest doing this routine anyway?

And how would you shape it around the rest of the week's workouts?

Not worked up, she called it and gave excellent advice, but I like to learn too!

OK, We do this like NEVER! This was a special "Break the Man W/O" Even a "New Meat W/O"
is not that intense!

However, we do employ a high volume W/O about every 6-12 weeks, utilizing the fundamental BB principle
of STRESS/ADAPTATION. High volume meaning about 40 sets with a 1-2 minute RI!

So while the second question is not pertinent because of the situation, we were expecting a compromised arm W/O today, not many POFs, tomorrow is OFF, Monday Legs.....then 96 hours later Chest. I expect some residual soreness
in my training partners, my recovery will be nearly complete from years of adaptation. We will W/O accordingly!

DP

Posted by: BPB

You're a sic, sick man. I almost threw up just reading that workout...but I saved it in case I'm feeling frisky

Posted by: Robboe

So you're happy to advise people to do it, despite not doing it yourself?

Posted by: BPB

He did the workout. Did he tell you to do it...NO

Posted by: Robboe

Who are you?

Posted by: BPB

Who are you?

Posted by: Robboe

Someone who already asked that question.

Posted by: BPB

does it matter? I don't answer to you

Posted by: Robboe

Good for you.

Posted by: BPB

What a TOOL!

Posted by: Robboe

Why revert to childish name calling?

People like you ruin a forum.

Posted by: BPB

Yes you do. That's why I quit arguing. You are also one of the reasons I never got involved on the "wannabebig" forums. You think you know everything. You constantly argue with the veterans of the BB game when you only think you have a clue

Posted by: Robboe

I haven't argued with you yet (except arguing about arguing now.)

Arguing is the best way to learn.

Besides, your presence is hardly missed on wbb.

Posted by: Neil

Maybe someone could explain to me the concept of experience increasing recovery ability. Regardless of your level of experience the human body still has it's limits.
Posting ridiculous high volume workouts is misleading to newbies and highly irresponsible IMO. Dr. Pain, you should put a disclaimer on all your routines stating how they don't work unless you are a walking pharmacy with 1 in 10000 genetics.
If volume was the answer to getting big every bench and curl jockey in my gym would be huge.

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Originally posted by Neil

Posting ridiculous high volume workouts is misleading to newbies and highly irresponsible IMO. Dr. Pain, you should put a disclaimer on all your routines stating how they don't work unless you are a walking pharmacy with 1 in 10000 genetics.
If volume was the answer to getting big every bench and curl jockey in my gym would be huge.

Originally posted by Dr. Pain

Before you "know it alls" slam my W/O's read this warning:

This is NOT a beginner W/O, this is INSANE, HARDCORE, DON'T EVEN TRY IT BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY CAN'T DO IT!

SO STFU!

So Neil, your incorrect, your misled, and your wrong!

It's you who reads 'Irresponsibly!"

DP

Posted by: Neil

You left out my first question, would you care to answer it?

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Originally posted by Neil
Maybe someone could explain to me the concept of experience increasing recovery ability. Regardless of your level of experience the human body still has it's limits.
Posting ridiculous high volume workouts is misleading to newbies and highly irresponsible IMO. Dr. Pain, you should put a disclaimer on all your routines stating how they don't work unless you are a walking pharmacy with 1 in 10000 genetics.
If volume was the answer to getting big every bench and curl jockey in my gym would be huge.

Neil, first off your not asking a question Your suggesting that someone tell you something to which you which you have provided your own answer, that makes this rhetorical.

Not only that, it doesn't pertain to this W/O if you read the post! Your missing the point!

Rather than request an answer, you should be offering up an apology!

DP

Posted by: bigss75

Now that is a ballz out workout! Hell Yeah Brother

Posted by: Burner02

I'm thinking a good old fashioned hurling would be in order after that...

A long time ago..when I used to have a lifting partner, we'd be sort of sadistic to each other...nothing like what I just read, but ti worked!

Just pushed each other, for example, say bench pressing. If my partner was about to fail, I'd assist him for another couple reps. I wouldn't let him rack the weight until he knocked out another couple reps...bad thing was..it would be my turn next....

Posted by: Robboe

Hey, out of curiosity, who is gonna actually try that routine?

Posted by: Neil

Originally posted by Dr. Pain

Neil, first off your not asking a question Your suggesting that someone tell you something to which you which you have provided your own answer, that makes this rhetorical.

Not only that, it doesn't pertain to this W/O if you read the post! Your missing the point!

Rather than request an answer, you should be offering up an apology!

DP

Actually I was making a statement which is true but hardly answers the question. I would like to know how being an experienced lifter makes your body more effective at recovering from extremely high volume workouts.
I am more than capable of doing your workout. I am also more than capable of using my brain and not doing it. I just can't see 65 sets with forced reps included being anything but completely detrimental to my training. I would like anyone who is going to do this workout to explain why they are doing it and what their goals are.

Posted by: Dr. Pain

LAST TIME!

The goal was

HURT THE MAN!

nothing more! READ IT!

As far as BB, and recovery, THE BODY BECOMES IT'S FUNCTION!

Why run 50 miles, 24 hours, do an Ironman distance or beyond triathlon, WHY DO THIS W/O (I have done all of that and more)

Because the goal and benefits are:

ACCLIMATION!

From all those things I have :

A higher lactate threshold
A higher O2 uptake (my VO2 last measure 73.3)
Me personally, lowers Cortisol/Enhances my recovery ability, my output is minimal from years of repeated bouts such as this

Better neural system
Most efficeint ATP-CP usage ******
Enhanced metabolism/metabolic pathways
Increased mental TENACITY ****
Superior respiration
Lower resting heart rate
Golgi response

My personal feelings is that in me (READ ME ONLY) it enhances vascularity (all pulmonary/respitory activity really), the ability to handle PAIN, push my body to and beyond my mental and physical limits.

MOST OF ALL HE WILL NEVER TALK SMACK AGAIN, SO YOU CAN SAY IT:

BUILDS CHARACTER!

Posted by: Robboe

Ah, i see. So 65 sets make me a better person. lol.

Posted by: Training God

I'm going to try it.

Posted by: Dr. Pain

That's the spirit, use what you can, KICK YOUR OWN ASS, butt becareful, READ THE DISCLAIMER!

BTW, just because I like to go until the tendon is tearing away from the bone (feels like velcro sperating) doesn't mean anyone else shoud

j/k, well sort of!

DP

Posted by: LittLe FraNk

if this is true u truly own.... and i commend u....
whats Vo2 oxygen intake??

Posted by: LittLe FraNk

by traing in i such a manner ...THIS INTENSE
u would have to not lift agai nfor like 48--+ hours
if you are not so used to such intensity----correct
but most likely u couldnt do it.... right...
u are truly SiK... i commend u D-P Owns...
PAIN IS WEAKNESS leaving the body <----- i love that...
BRing the pain .....

Posted by: HickeyNC

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
This is NOT a beginner W/O, this is INSANE, HARDCORE, DON'T EVEN TRY IT BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY CAN'T DO IT!

No Shit man. Thats a hell of a workout. I'm man enough (and smart enough

) to admit my limits.

Posted by: Neil

Littlefrank, if you want a good beginners workout please feel free to PM me, but do yourself a favor and don't listen to Dr. Pain.
If you feel so inclined as to try Dr. Pain's workouts you will find out on your own how unproductive and damaging they can be.

Posted by: LittLe FraNk

i know bro i know it is way to much for me i cnat hang with him or even trying to would tear my fibers up to much and take 48-to more ohurs to completley recover ... but when you recover '
theoretically hypertrophy takes place but that more intense than what i need to create my own hypertrohpy

Posted by: gopro

No disrespect meant...but I must say that unless you are a genetic superior, or, on drugs, most people would become severely overtrained on a routine like this. Not to mention that it doesn't seem too conducive to gaining mass. Not saying it doesn't work for you, b/c it might be...but for the majority, I could not see it working.

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Ah, i see. So 65 sets make me a better person. lol.

I can't believe it, I'm actually WITH TCD on this one...

Posted by: Robboe

Hey 'Pro, I just had Satan on the phone. He wants to borrow a blanket...

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Hey 'Pro, I just had Satan on the phone. He wants to borrow a blanket...

Jeez, I'm suprised he actually survived the freezover!

Posted by: w8lifter

Originally posted by Dr. Pain

MOST OF ALL HE WILL NEVER TALK SMACK AGAIN, SO YOU CAN SAY IT:

BUILDS CHARACTER!

We do what we call character-building w/o's all the time at the dojo. They bring about a level of focus and discipline beyond what the average person holds. It's called HEART and most people don't have it! This w/o was not about building muscle, it was about achieving strength!

Posted by: kuso

Originally posted by w8lifter

We do what we call character-building w/o's all the time at the dojo.

I remember those....always enjoyed 1000`s day

Posted by: gopro

I totally understand what it is to build mental strength, character, and to have heart. I took 7 years of martial arts before getting into BBing, and I think I would not have achieved what I have in BBing without the martial arts. But no amount of inner strength or character should be achieved at the expense of your physical health. Overtraining of any kind is one of the most destructive things out there!

Posted by: w8lifter

I highly doubt that this w/o, if used the way it was meant to be used, would ruin anything more than one's ego.

You people are getting caught up in numbers and missing the point.

Posted by: gopro

Originally posted by w8lifter
I highly doubt that this w/o, if used the way it was meant to be used, would ruin anything more than one's ego.

You people are getting caught up in numbers and missing the point.

Calm down sweetie! I could be guilty of not reading the whole thing and/or missing the point as you say. If this was meant to be a one time thing to teach someone a lesson or test the limits of one's mental/physical strength, than cool.

I just assumed that it was being posted as a good workout program, which it is not, if used regularly. But I apologize if I'm wrong in my assumption, and it was only meant as a one day freakathon!

Posted by: Neil

Originally posted by w8lifter
I highly doubt that this w/o, if used the way it was meant to be used, would ruin anything more than one's ego.

.....and possibly a couple rotator cuffs and biceps tendons.

Posted by: Robboe

Originally posted by gopro
But no amount of inner strength or character should be achieved at the expense of your physical health.

Hear, hear.

And Neil, that was rather humerous man. Trés bien.

Posted by: Neil

Thanks TCD, but no habla. What's tres bien?

Posted by: LittLe FraNk

i think showing some one they cant hang...crushes a mans ego
and thats what pain said he was doing.... tryign to hurt the man
and im shore he mentally and physically...did

Posted by: Snake_Eyes

I agree with GP and Chicken.

For whomever asked, VO2 max is a measure of how much oxygen you can absorb.

And yes, the benefit to one's lactate threshold, anaerobic work capacity and cardiovascular fitness would be extensive using similar routines.

Posted by: J'Bo

Ok ok i think its time to stop haggin on Mr.Pain.

I think that everyone should know that you should never do anything unless researching it for your self.
I am sure some people enjoy those types of workouts (pain) and respond well to them, others don't.
Everyone here wants to learn and everyone also wants to lend a hand, i am sure he was just trying to help.
Hey the w/o made me laugh.
I know i couldn't possibly do it, but i know someone who would be up for the challenge.
I do have one question though.
Where is PowermanDL?
He was the only one who said they were going to try it.
Hope he is ok.
LOL

Posted by: gopro

Powerman DL is probably injured, sick, too sore to move, or dead if he tried that routine.

I pray he didn't!

Posted by: J'Bo

Posted by: KryptoAllez

Jeez, no kidding. I figured that out from the beginning. Boy some people sure are thick-headed!

And WAY too quick to jump on someone I might add. I think some don't have the ability to "read between the lines" and figure out the true meanings of what someone is saying.

Posted by: Robboe

Every other thread he has made about training has been made as a workout to result in growth. Why should we have taken this one any differently?

Posted by: dvlmn666

Gotta agree this thing would build character. And heck even if you trim it some to match what you have the equipment for it'd be worth it just to shock the living hell outa your system.

Heck might just try it to shake things up somewere along the way.

Posted by: gopro

Actually, I think this routine could be constituted "cruel and unusual punishment." But hey, some people like to torture others.

Posted by: Robboe

I personally think it takes more character to walk away once the job has been done.

Posted by: Jodi

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