Originally Posted by Witchblade

You can't gain mass without gaining strength, really.

Originally Posted by the_general64

say im benching in the 7-9 rep range w/ 3-5 min rest intervals........and my 1RM is 365............if i start lifting in the 7-9 rep range but change rest interval to 1min or less (which is supposed to promote hypertrophy) after months of training like this, will my strength go up? will it remain the same? or will it decrease?

Originally Posted by swordfish

thats where i disagree with you p funk, while getting stronger generally equate to getting bigger, its not all about the absolute weight on the bar.....

( perhaps you are suggesting though that the form doesnt loosen up while you increase the weight, if thats the case which im sure it is then of course it comes down to Ultimately putting more weight on, but nevertheless some may not undersand and might simply just throw more on in the quest to more muscle.)

for example, barbell rows


- one peron does 275 for 2 sets of 8
- another person does 225 for 2 sets of 8

if the peron doing 275 has loose form and isnt controlling the weight much
the person that does 225 can experience much more muscle growth and strength if these things happen- 2 or more seconds on the negative, strong contraction/squeeze at the top, controlling the weight, and FEELING THE MUSCLE WORK, (there may be a few more things so feel free to add to them)

you can get a better workout with a lighter weight AND MAKE THE MUSCLE WORK HARDER WITH THE LIGHTER WEIGHT,

if the person doing the 275 starts to perform the same as the 225 guy then obviously the person doing 275 will have a better workout....

you get my point

Originally Posted by the_general64

as far as strict form goes......i've read that you can cheat a little. if you start off using strict form but toward the end of your reps you can cheat a little. is that bull?

Originally Posted by swordfish

thats where i disagree with you p funk, while getting stronger generally equate to getting bigger, its not all about the absolute weight on the bar.....

( perhaps you are suggesting though that the form doesnt loosen up while you increase the weight, if thats the case which im sure it is then of course it comes down to Ultimately putting more weight on, but nevertheless some may not undersand and might simply just throw more on in the quest to more muscle.)

for example, barbell rows


- one peron does 275 for 2 sets of 8
- another person does 225 for 2 sets of 8

if the peron doing 275 has loose form and isnt controlling the weight much
the person that does 225 can experience much more muscle growth and strength if these things happen- 2 or more seconds on the negative, strong contraction/squeeze at the top, controlling the weight, and FEELING THE MUSCLE WORK, (there may be a few more things so feel free to add to them)

you can get a better workout with a lighter weight AND MAKE THE MUSCLE WORK HARDER WITH THE LIGHTER WEIGHT,

if the person doing the 275 starts to perform the same as the 225 guy then obviously the person doing 275 will have a better workout....

you get my point

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I don't think anyone gets your point.

Originally Posted by swordfish

i never said that you advocated bad form, but people would continue to put weight on the bar as you said and their form would probably decrease. just making the point to people that dont know, the absolute weight on the bar does not always matter.

Originally Posted by swordfish

noone usually gets your point either.