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Posted by: goandykid

A buddy of mine have had a fight scheduled for a bit but in a nutshell he's trying to either back out or force it to be geared towards him IMO

It's a friendly fight and I'm not looking to get flamed by BigDyl for amateur MMA fighting, but he's going on and on about knee's being so much mroe dangerous than anything else and we shouldnt use them, while he is a complete proponent for kicks (plays soccer) I don't now the phsyics or medical aspects of either of those strikes but I think he's jsut being a pussy.

Also, he said you cant tap while being choked but I didnt deem that w/ an explanation.

Medical/Physics help here?



Posted by: gococksDJS

I was told to come here and spread Propaganda for Dyl...



Posted by: TJ Cline

Nothing better than friends kneeing eachother in the nasal bone and/or crushing eachothers zygomatic bone with elbows.



Posted by: goandykid

thats what she said



Posted by: MCx2

I say no knees or elbows between friends, why would you want to hurt eachother like that? Are you wearing sparring gear? What kind of gloves? Are you guys experienced? Why can't you tap, do you want to kill eachother? I'm so confused...



Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by goandykid View Post
A buddy of mine have had a fight scheduled for a bit but in a nutshell he's trying to either back out or force it to be geared towards him IMO

It's a friendly fight and I'm not looking to get flamed by BigDyl for amateur MMA fighting, but he's going on and on about knee's being so much mroe dangerous than anything else and we shouldnt use them, while he is a complete proponent for kicks (plays soccer) I don't now the phsyics or medical aspects of either of those strikes but I think he's jsut being a pussy.

Also, he said you cant tap while being choked but I didnt deem that w/ an explanation.

Medical/Physics help here?


First of all this forum is going to have its name changed to the MMA Section, instead of the Sports section and will be moderated by me.


Secondly, the last thing you said makes no sense. You can't tap while being choked? What does that mean? The person getting choked can't tap out? Are they supposed to pass out? No, that's retarded.


His opinion on knees probably comes from the last UFC: Franklin versus Silva. Before that fight, 99% of people didn't know knees were effective, unless they watched PRIDE. Don't worry, I won't turn this into a UFC/PRIDE argument. After this fight, everyone suddenly became enlightened to knees.


So he is afraid of knees? Then tell him to learn some defense inside of a muay thai clinch. You keep your hands up to protect your head from knees, and your body close. You can even get a clinch with underhooks yourself and take the person down.

If knees aren't fair game soccer kicks should not be fair game. IMO, they are a dirtier move than a knee is when it comes to technical ability. Soccer kicks and knees are a favorite of Silva's.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by goandykid View Post
A buddy of mine have had a fight scheduled for a bit but in a nutshell he's trying to either back out or force it to be geared towards him IMO

It's a friendly fight and I'm not looking to get flamed by BigDyl for amateur MMA fighting, but he's going on and on about knee's being so much mroe dangerous than anything else and we shouldnt use them, while he is a complete proponent for kicks (plays soccer) I don't now the phsyics or medical aspects of either of those strikes but I think he's jsut being a pussy.

Also, he said you cant tap while being choked but I didnt deem that w/ an explanation.

Medical/Physics help here?
I think instead of knees you should use hammers.



Posted by: MCx2

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Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
First of all this forum is going to have its name changed to the MMA Section, instead of the Sports section and will be moderated by me.


Secondly, the last thing you said makes no sense. You can't tap while being choked? What does that mean? The person getting choked can't tap out? Are they supposed to pass out? No, that's retarded.


His opinion on knees probably comes from the last UFC: Franklin versus Silva. Before that fight, 99% of people didn't know knees were effective, unless they watched PRIDE. Don't worry, I won't turn this into a UFC/PRIDE argument. After this fight, everyone suddenly became enlightened to knees.


So he is afraid of knees? Then tell him to learn some defense inside of a muay thai clinch. You keep your hands up to protect your head from knees, and your body close. You can even get a clinch with underhooks yourself and take the person down.

If knees aren't fair game soccer kicks should not be fair game. IMO, they are a dirtier move than a knee is when it comes to technical ability. Soccer kicks and knees are a favorite of Silva's.
If your arguements were based on fact and not 100% assumption all the time, you might get some respect around here.



Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
First of all this forum is going to have its name changed to the MMA Section, instead of the Sports section and will be moderated by me.


Secondly, the last thing you said makes no sense. You can't tap while being choked? What does that mean? The person getting choked can't tap out? Are they supposed to pass out? No, that's retarded.


His opinion on knees probably comes from the last UFC: Franklin versus Silva. Before that fight, 99% of people didn't know knees were effective, unless they watched PRIDE. Don't worry, I won't turn this into a UFC/PRIDE argument. After this fight, everyone suddenly became enlightened to knees.


So he is afraid of knees? Then tell him to learn some defense inside of a muay thai clinch. You keep your hands up to protect your head from knees, and your body close. You can even get a clinch with underhooks yourself and take the person down.

If knees aren't fair game soccer kicks should not be fair game. IMO, they are a dirtier move than a knee is when it comes to technical ability. Soccer kicks and knees are a favorite of Silva's.


The part about tapping while being choked was what eh said to me, and I found it equally ridiculous, that's why I said I didn't deem it with a response.

I know I created the thread hastily and kind of ill written but I was trying to get some help arguing why knee's arent "life-threatening" and why kicks aren't much different.

As for whoever wrote "why would you want to hurt your friends?", yea we have proper sparring equipment, yes we have some training, but overwhlemingly was b/c the reason is that we're teenage guys, and wanted to.



Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC View Post
I say no knees or elbows between friends, why would you want to hurt eachother like that? Are you wearing sparring gear? What kind of gloves? Are you guys experienced? Why can't you tap, do you want to kill eachother? I'm so confused...
b/c we can, yes do an extent, mma standard 4 oz glvoes, very little, you can tap, i wrote that poorly I was saying he said its impossible tot ap while being choked, no.



Posted by: goandykid

Quote:
Originally Posted by goandykid View Post
A buddy of mine have had a fight scheduled for a bit but in a nutshell he's trying to either back out or force it to be geared towards him IMO

It's a friendly fight and I'm not looking to get flamed by BigDyl for amateur MMA fighting, but he's going on and on about knee's being so much mroe dangerous than anything else and we shouldnt use them, while he is a complete proponent for kicks (plays soccer) I don't now the phsyics or medical aspects of either of those strikes but I think he's jsut being a pussy.

Also, he said you cant tap while being choked but I didnt deem that w/ an explanation.

Medical/Physics help here?
EDIT: He was saying its impossible to tap while being choked b/c you can't move, thats why I didnt erspond to it. Not that we're not allowed.



Posted by: MCx2

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Originally Posted by goandykid View Post
EDIT: He was saying its impossible to tap while being choked b/c you can't move, thats why I didnt erspond to it. Not that we're not allowed.
Well the only thing I can say is be careful. You should have some sort of licensed medical practitioner available in case the worst happens. The whole thing sound like a big mistake IMO. Rolling and sparring is one thing, but to have full contact matches without proper supervision is just irresponsible.



Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by goandykid View Post

As for whoever wrote "why would you want to hurt your friends?", yea we have proper sparring equipment, yes we have some training, but overwhlemingly was b/c the reason is that we're teenage guys, and wanted to.
your young and will heal. use full muay thai rules, with no tapping at all. this will prove your a man. oh yeah no protective equiptment either. not even gloves. in your back yard. tape it and put it on the internet.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
Before that fight, 99% of people didn't know knees were effective, unless they watched PRIDE
What about Spencer Fisher's flying knee against Aaron Riley, Anderson Silva's knees against Leben, Ken Shamrock KO of Kimo with a knee in the clinch, James Irvin's flying knee KO of Terry Martin, Robbie Lawler's flying knee to the body against Nick Diaz, Forrest Griffin's knees within the clinch in their first fight? Those are just some spectacular examples. I see knees in almost every UFC bout. And in almost every PRIDE bout.



Posted by: goandykid

back to topic, I'm wondering about the arguement against knee's when compared to all other strikes



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by goandykid View Post
back to topic, I'm wondering about the arguement against knee's when compared to all other strikes
Knees are pretty harmful. Just think about having someone's weight behind a knee and taking that kind of strike to the head/face/body compared to a punch. I'd rather be punched.



Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC View Post
If your arguements were based on fact and not 100% assumption all the time, you might get some respect around here.
He gets 100% respect you get 0.



Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
your young and will heal. use full muay thai rules, with no tapping at all. this will prove your a man. oh yeah no protective equiptment either. not even gloves. in your back yard. tape it and put it on the internet.
I like the way you think



Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by goandykid View Post
back to topic, I'm wondering about the arguement against knee's when compared to all other strikes
knees and elbows are much more damageing and harder to defend. the technique is also more difficult to master. they are just harder, pointier parts of the body. if sparring is your thing go ahead and do it. but with knees and elbows your more likely to go home needing stitches.



Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules View Post
I like the way you think
that may be the kindest thing you have ever said to me.



Posted by: MCx2

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules View Post
He gets 100% respect you get 0.
So you're saying that you guys are idiots? I get it now.



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