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Decline Bench Harder?

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Posted by: musclehead24

Is the decline bench supposed to be more challenging? I always thought decline was tougher than flat bench, but for some reason I can lift 20 pounds more on the decline than the flat. Is anyone else in this situation? I don't have a problem with it, but I was wondering why I'm stronger on decline. Any thoughts?



Posted by: Witchblade

Depends on the person, but it certainly is possible. My flat bench is also slightly stronger than my incline.



Posted by: mike456

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Is the decline bench supposed to be more challenging? I always thought decline was tougher than flat bench, but for some reason I can lift 20 pounds more on the decline than the flat. Is anyone else in this situation? I don't have a problem with it, but I was wondering why I'm stronger on decline. Any thoughts?
everyone is different, incline uses more clavicular chest and less sternal (if it uses any?), and it also uses more anterior delt than decline/flat.



Posted by: wilwn

generally speaking, decline bench should be easier than flat, since the ROM is shortened. arching of the back during flat bench creates an effect similar to decline benching.



Posted by: CowPimp

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generally speaking, decline bench should be easier than flat, since the ROM is shortened. arching of the back during flat bench creates an effect similar to decline benching.
Exactly. I can definitely do significantly more weight with declines than I can with inclines.

Another benefit of the decline bench press is that the stress on your shoulder joint is reduced.



Posted by: mike456

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Another benefit of the decline bench press is that the stress on your shoulder joint is reduced.
because of the shortened rom, right?



Posted by: CowPimp

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because of the shortened rom, right?
Yes, that has something to do with it. You don't have to extend the shoulder back quite as far under load.

I believe the subacromial space is also opened up more when benching decline, so issues with impingment and scapulohumeral rhythm as less likely.

Furthermore, people tend to tuck their elbows in more effectively on the decline for whatever reason.



Posted by: AKIRA

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generally speaking, decline bench should be easier than flat, since the ROM is shortened. arching of the back during flat bench creates an effect similar to decline benching.
Thats what I was thinking about the shortened ROM.

Yeah, you wanna see me lift a shitload more weight, give me a decline bench.

In order from easiest to hardest..

decline
flat
incline


However, Cow, decline does irritate my shoulders in the lateral/anterior area than any other form of benching. Possibly cuz of the added intensity(?)



Posted by: JimSnow

The stupidest thing I've ever seen in a gym is this guy doing a 400lb BP.

He completed the flat bench, grunting like a monster, with his butt arched at 45 degrees to his shoulders! That ain't no 400lb. Bench.

He was proud of showing his ass.


BTW - My incline is significantly behind my flat press.



Posted by: Seanp156

Decline's usually easier for most people.. I remember when I first started, I did decline DB for the first 8 weeks or so, then switched to flat and found the same weight more challenging...

I don't do decline DB anymore now because it's too hard to get on the decline bench with the DB's unless someone hands them to you. I also don't do decline barbell because the last few times I tried, it flared my right shoulder up pretty bad and gave me a pinching/tight feeling. I just stick with incline and flat now. My incline and flat press are relatively close together intensity wise.



Posted by: juggernaut

my incline bench sucks compared to my decline.



Posted by: AKIRA

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Decline's usually easier for most people.. I remember when I first started, I did decline DB for the first 8 weeks or so, then switched to flat and found the same weight more challenging...

I don't do decline DB anymore now because it's too hard to get on the decline bench with the DB's unless someone hands them to you. I also don't do decline barbell because the last few times I tried, it flared my right shoulder up pretty bad and gave me a pinching/tight feeling. I just stick with incline and flat now. My incline and flat press are relatively close together intensity wise.
YEAH! NO SHIT! I loved using them, but when you get heavier DBs, its extremely hard getting into position.



Posted by: vortrit

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Originally Posted by JimSnow View Post
The stupidest thing I've ever seen in a gym is this guy doing a 400lb BP.

He completed the flat bench, grunting like a monster, with his butt arched at 45 degrees to his shoulders! That ain't no 400lb. Bench.

He was proud of showing his ass.


BTW - My incline is significantly behind my flat press.

I know a guy who did that. Well, I don't think it was quite 400, but it was a lot. I personally thought him and the other guys were stupid for doing it, and he ended up hurting his shoulder.



Posted by: Mudge

+20 to +40 for me on the decline depending on the angle. I haven't done them in ages though, because they kill my shoulders.



Posted by: JimSnow

As long as we're talking about chest movements... I've got a question.

Do you "flay" or extend your arms beyond perpendicular, with db flies (any angle) while doing the movement? Or both?

I prefer doing that as near to a reverse fly as reasonable - for the "stretch".


Insight?



Posted by: mike456

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Originally Posted by JimSnow View Post
As long as we're talking about chest movements... I've got a question.

Do you "flay" or extend your arms beyond perpendicular, with db flies (any angle) while doing the movement? Or both?

I prefer doing that as near to a reverse fly as reasonable - for the "stretch".


Insight?
that sounds painful on the shoulders, I wouldn't do it, it might cause problems in the long run



Posted by: JimSnow

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that sounds painful on the shoulders, I wouldn't do it, it might cause problems in the long run
Not painful on the shoulders at all... it's painful on the chest. Precarious though w/ all the "stabilizing". I think it's challenging to the pecs and reverse. Much lighter weights.



Posted by: CowPimp

I also found declines to be rough on the shoulders if bench pressing bodybuilder style. I noticed after I started lifting again post shoulder subluxation about a year ago. As long as I got really tight in the upper back and maintained a proper bar path and tucked elbows, my shoulders felt great. I could use a greater load on the decline without issues.



Posted by: juggernaut

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Originally Posted by JimSnow View Post
As long as we're talking about chest movements... I've got a question.

Do you "flay" or extend your arms beyond perpendicular, with db flies (any angle) while doing the movement? Or both?

I prefer doing that as near to a reverse fly as reasonable - for the "stretch".


Insight?
FLAY? What the fuck is FLAY?



Posted by: JerseyDevil

Funny. I always hear that declines are easier on the shoulders, but they seem to stress my shoulders more then flat bench. I see both Akira and Mudge say the same. Must be the way some people are built, or technique?

Definitely can decline quite a bit more then incline.



Posted by: mike456

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Funny. I always hear that declines are easier on the shoulders, but they seem to stress my shoulders more then flat bench. I see both Akira and Mudge say the same. Must be the way some people are built, or technique?

Definitely can decline quite a bit more then incline.
its technique as cowpimp said, elbows flaired out probably causes shoulder pain, while elbows tucked does not.



Posted by: JimSnow

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FLAY? What the fuck is FLAY?
"Flay" means... spread it out, butterfly it, rip it open... spread it until it screams!


I might have made that word up, not sure.



Posted by: AKIRA

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its technique as cowpimp said, elbows flaired out probably causes shoulder pain, while elbows tucked does not.
With some grips, elbows being tucked in is a lil hard to picture.



Posted by: juggernaut

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"Flay" means... spread it out, butterfly it, rip it open... spread it until it screams!


I might have made that word up, not sure.
you are a walking human dictionary.



Posted by: CowPimp

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With some grips, elbows being tucked in is a lil hard to picture.
They don't have to be touching your sides or anything. Don't think CG bench tucked, but watch powerlifting bench press videos to see what I mean.



Posted by: mike456

elbows flaired- http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8jrFVroDI8

elbows tucked- http://youtube.com/watch?v=6SS08hZJZas



Posted by: mike456

off topic, check this out! a 62 year old benching 550, just watch how he gets up with no problem http://youtube.com/watch?v=6zDN3QLAM...elated&search=



Posted by: JimSnow

Thanks, guys.

I was watching the old woman's butt before I noticed the old man couldn't get it up.

Am I really that old? Her butt was lookin' good to me! I'm worried.



Posted by: mike456

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Thanks, guys.

I was watching the old woman's butt before I noticed the old man couldn't get it up.

Am I really that old? Her butt was lookin' good to me! I'm worried.




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