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Posted by: Goodfella9783

Three big events coming up within the next two months:

The Ultimate Fighter 4 Finale - 11/11/06:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=Even...htCard&eid=321

UFC 65: Bad Intentions - 11/18/06:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=even...htCard&eid=297

UFC 66: Liddell vs. Ortiz 2 - 12/30/06:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=even...htCard&eid=326

Who's everyone pulling for?

Posted by: goandykid

can't wait for tito and chuck

Posted by: Bad Dog

I won't even comment on UFC 4. Totally unimpressed with the entire crew.

UFC 65. Every fight will be won by a person on the left side of the line up. Check it out you'll probably agree.

Tito/Liddell

I learned to like Tito when he was a coach and he certainly beat up the same old man twice but I just don't think he can beat liddell at this point. Bassically I think he is the same fighter he was 3 or 4 years ago and liddell is still improving.

Posted by: goandykid

that isnt the full TUF4 card right? Or have the finals for both weight classes been decided?

Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by Bad Dog

I won't even comment on UFC 4. Totally unimpressed with the entire crew.

UFC 65. Every fight will be won by a person on the left side of the line up. Check it out you'll probably agree.

Tito/Liddell

I learned to like Tito when he was a coach and he certainly beat up the same old man twice but I just don't think he can beat liddell at this point. Bassically I think he is the same fighter he was 3 or 4 years ago and liddell is still improving.

Alot of people are picking GSP

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by goandykid

that isnt the full TUF4 card right? Or have the finals for both weight classes been decided?

I think MW still has to be determined.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by Bad Dog

I won't even comment on UFC 4. Totally unimpressed with the entire crew.

UFC 65. Every fight will be won by a person on the left side of the line up. Check it out you'll probably agree.

Tito/Liddell

I learned to like Tito when he was a coach and he certainly beat up the same old man twice but I just don't think he can beat liddell at this point. Bassically I think he is the same fighter he was 3 or 4 years ago and liddell is still improving.

I think that sometimes too. But sometimes cards you think will be crap turn out to be great. There may be some good matchups in that card.

Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I think MW still has to be determined.

who'r the four remaining? I havent caught the show ina couple weeks

Posted by: ReproMan

TUF 4 Finale:
Lyttle vs. Serra
Schafer vs. Bisping
Clementi vs. Thomas (hometown pick)
Jackson vs. Spratt
Smith vs. Sell
Ray vs. McCarthy

UFC 65:
Hughes vs. St. Pierre
Sylvia vs. Monson
Vera vs. Mir

UFC 66:
Liddell vs. Ortiz
Arlovski vs. Cruz
Jardine vs. Griffin

I just saw Din Thomas this weekend at the bar. He looks closer to 200lbs than 170. ATT has a training facility right in my town, I didn't even realize it until I saw mention of Din's hometown on TUF 4. That and I take Jardine in an upset over Griffin. I don't know enough about the others opponents to make picks there.

Posted by: ponyboy

Funny how Jeremy Jackson got axed from the show yet he's still fighting live at the finale. All the other guys who fought and lost don't get that chance.

I also thought Bisping was part of the UFC 65 card. He's better than fighting with that bunch of chumps from TUF4.

And as much as I hate to say it, Tito is going to try to stand up with Liddell and get his ass knocked out again, probably in the first round.

Posted by: BigPapaPump68

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Originally Posted by goandykid

Alot of people are picking GSP

I am not sure who I would go with either. Both fighters are highly skilled. It can go either way. What does everyone else think?

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

Funny how Jeremy Jackson got axed from the show yet he's still fighting live at the finale. All the other guys who fought and lost don't get that chance.

I also thought Bisping was part of the UFC 65 card. He's better than fighting with that bunch of chumps from TUF4.

And as much as I hate to say it, Tito is going to try to stand up with Liddell and get his ass knocked out again, probably in the first round.

IMO Jeremy Jackson was the best fighter on TUF 4. He deserves to fight on the card.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Jardine vs. Griffin

This will be a great fight. Jardine's got some brutal leg kicks. Both have improved tremendously since their shows. Jardine may have got robbed against Bonnar. But that's the past. I'm going to go with Griffin via decision.

Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

IMO Jeremy Jackson was the best fighter on TUF 4. He deserves to fight on the card.

What makes you say that?

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

And as much as I hate to say it, Tito is going to try to stand up with Liddell and get his ass knocked out again, probably in the first round.

Hmph. As much as I want Tito to win, I found myself giggle in delight picturing what you described.

I guess its cuz Tito's ego is what is going to kill him if he tries to stand with Liddell.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by goandykid

What makes you say that?

I think he has more raw talent than anyone on the show, not to mention he's quite athletic. I'd like to see him get his head on straight and be a contender.

Posted by: aceshigh

who would win between arlovski and fedor??

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by aceshigh

who would win between arlovski and fedor??

You know damn well who would win.

Posted by: aceshigh

well id say fedor pretty easily

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by aceshigh

well id say fedor pretty easily

At this point I'd take Fedor over King Kong.

Posted by: aceshigh

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

At this point I'd take Fedor over King Kong.

what about fedor vs freddy krueger??

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by aceshigh

what about fedor vs freddy krueger??

They couldn't make that matchup because Fedor doesn't sleep. Fedor vs. Jason on the other hand... I'd still take Fedor.

Posted by: aceshigh

fedor doesnt sleep he waits

Posted by: ponyboy

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

They couldn't make that matchup because Fedor doesn't sleep. Fedor vs. Jason on the other hand... I'd still take Fedor.

I don't know...Jason can't be choked out (he's already dead), if you arm bar him it will just tear off, leg lock same thing. You would probably have to literally rip his head off to get him to tap. I guess Fedor could do that but I think it's against the rules...

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

Jason has a weak chin ... he's been droped by little girls in several of his previous fights. His jab sucks and he has no ground game at all. I'd say Fedor would take him inside the first round with a lil' good ol' good ground & pound.

Posted by: Pedigree

Tito will beat Chucky.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Pedigree

Tito will beat Chucky.

I don't know, Chucky is a bad little bitch. I've always been a little scared of dolls myself and he's always got thos.... Oh you mean Liddell. Yeah Tito for the win.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Who's everyone got for Saturday?:

Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Patrick Cote vs. Travis Lutter
Rich Clementi vs. Din Thomas
Edwin Dewees vs. Jorge Rivera
Jeremy Jackson vs. Pete Spratt
Scott Smith vs. Pete Sell
Gideon Ray vs. Charles McCarthy

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Who's everyone got for Saturday?:

Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Patrick Cote vs. Travis Lutter
Rich Clementi vs. Din Thomas
Edwin Dewees vs. Jorge Rivera
Jeremy Jackson vs. Pete Spratt
Scott Smith vs. Pete Sell
Gideon Ray vs. Charles McCarthy

Posted by: ReproMan

Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Patrick Cote vs. Travis Lutter
Rich Clementi vs. Din Thomas
Edwin Dewees vs. Jorge Rivera
Jeremy Jackson vs. Pete Spratt
Scott Smith vs. Pete Sell
Gideon Ray vs. Charles McCarthy

Posted by: Pedigree

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

I don't know, Chucky is a bad little bitch. I've always been a little scared of dolls myself and he's always got thos.... Oh you mean Liddell. Yeah Tito for the win.

Yeah, I mean the guy, who after December 30th, will be announced as "The Former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion". It's gonna happen, and all of the wishful thinkers might as well just accept it.
Tito will win.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Liddell has shown himself to have a better stand up game and a stronger chin than Tito. If Tito tries to stand and bang he'll be droped. If he goes for sub's he has a chance, but Liddell is hard to take down and knows his way around the ground if Tito does get him there.

Gotta go with Liddell. I'd put my money there ...

Posted by: ponyboy

Apparently Bisping is out of the show this weekend due to visa issues. They will have a replacement match. That sucks, because he was one of the guys I really wanted to see. It's on the UFC site.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

Apparently Bisping is out of the show this weekend due to visa issues. They will have a replacement match. That sucks, because he was one of the guys I really wanted to see. It's on the UFC site.

Yeah that does kinda suck. Maybe they'll throw him in one of the upcoming PPV's...

Posted by: Pedigree

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

Apparently Bisping is out of the show this weekend due to visa issues. They will have a replacement match. That sucks, because he was one of the guys I really wanted to see. It's on the UFC site.

I read that they won't have a replacement match.

"No replacement bout will be added to the show"

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Pedigree

I read that they won't have a replacement match.

"No replacement bout will be added to the show"

Instead they are airing the Rivera vs. Dewees Fight.

Posted by: drew_c

I think I'm gonna have a small party over here for Tito and Chuck. Should be a great night

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by drew_c

I think I'm gonna have a small party over here for Tito and Chuck. Should be a great night

Yeah, my friends and I finally have a house to party at for UFC's. Before a group of us would go to a local bar and spend 50 bucks each... Can't wait!

Posted by: Goodfella9783

ULtimate Fighter Marathon all day today followed by the Finale tonight @ 9:00.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Looks like Hughes is fighting two more fights and then retiring:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=6087

Posted by: goandykid

If he does beat GSP, I'd love to see him move up to fight Silva like he was talking about. That would be amazing

Posted by: AKIRA

I still hope he loses. Its time for a change and thats what gives this sport its gravy.

Posted by: goandykid

Whoever isnt watching the TUF4 finale right now should eb taken out back and shot. I jsut witnessed one of the most amazing knockouts, Scott Smith over Pete Sell. It was one of the filller fights but they traded blows all through the first orund, never took it to the ground. every two minutes or so theyd high 5 and clap b/c theyr such good friends, and after the first round they were bloodied up, but hugged and laughed it up in the middle.

Middle of 2nd, Sell lands a ridiculous body shot that sent Smith back intot eh fence doubled over, Sell charges in hands down, Smith uses his last punch to stand up and knock out Sell before he himself falls over from broken rib(s(.

WOW

Posted by: goandykid

Sherdog Descrip:

Scott Smith vs. Pete Sell (Pictures)
Round 1
Smith lands the first shot with an overhand right. He follows with a couple kicks. Both fighters connect during a flurry of punches. Smith takes a step back and regroups. Drago lands a low kick, which is answered by a high kick from the Californian. The two fighters give each other a high five and smiles. Second time that's happened. Drago connects with an overhand right. Clinched against the cage, Sell drops three foot stomps. They separate and work the middle of the Octagon. Drago slipped to the floor and they slug it out as he returns to the feet. Both middleweights are bleeding after some good exchanges. Smith landed a huge overhand right to the chin and in the thai clinch he pounds a knee into the New Yorker. He follows with another overhand right to the jaw. Good round for Smith, 10-9.

Round 2
Fighters showing respect to start the second period, and Smith lands again with a heavy right, this time to the forehead. Drago stalking Smith but not landing much. Sell with back to back left-right combos and finishes with a nice uppercut. They're in the middle of the cage now. Drago scores with consecutive lefts, the first knocking "Hands of Steel" back a bit. Drago nails smith with a left hook to the ribs. Smith goes down along the cage and Sell rushed him. Smith stands and unleashes an overhand right that smashes into Sell's jaw. Sell goes down and the referee rushes in to stop the bout. Smith appears to have injured his ribs. The official time is 3:25 round two, by knockout.

Posted by: goandykid

wow, and Lutter with an easy upset of Cote, armbar in under 2 minutes

Posted by: Dale Mabry

I thought the Serra decision was wrong, but what do I know. Doesn;t matter, GSP/hughes will destroy him.

Posted by: goandykid

Well Serra was more aggresive, but Lytle I thought won. Either way, not a very good fight, shouldve gone another round. In no way does it compare to the Sell vs Smith fight earlier.

Having siad that, Serra's post fight interview was great. When asked whetehr he'd rather fight(Hughes or GSP) Serra responds to Rogan by saying "My heart goes out to GSP, he's a freak. But, Hughes is a bit of a dick, I'd liek to fight Hughes"

Posted by: goandykid

Also, Lytle should've thrown more. One or twohalf way decent punches wouldve gotten him the decision.

And whoever the judge was who scored it 30-27 should be put in the ring w/ Lytle right now.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Yeah that last fight was a draw. Did I hear that a judge scored it 30-27? I don't even know how some of those rounds were scorable. They all looked like 9-9 rounds to me.

The Smith KO was ridic. Wasn't expecting that at all. I thought it was a trick when he KOed him but then he really went down in pain.

Anderson Silva was cool as hell and showed a lot of class.

Posted by: goandykid

Yea, you basically mirrored everythign i jsut said

I think Silva was so nice b/c he didn't understand what Lutter was saying

Posted by: goandykid

Looking forward to these february champiosnhip bouts tho, I dont think ill ppv it though unless they add some other big or interesting fights to the card

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by goandykid

Yea, you basically mirrored everythign i jsut said

I think Silva was so nice b/c he didn't understand what Lutter was saying

Not really you just said Lytle won.

Posted by: goandykid

no read further back, I was freakin out about the the Drago fight, and the judge scoring it 30-27

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by goandykid

no read further back, I was freakin out about the the Drago fight, and the judge scoring it 30-27

Yeah 30-27 was absurd.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Anyone see Klitschko's knockout of Calvin Brock? Harddddd ass punch.

Posted by: goandykid

What the hell is boxing?

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Lol. That KO is definately worth checkin out though. If Klitschko hit anyone with that punch in the jaw wearing MMA gloves, they wouldn't be able to eat for the rest of their life.

Posted by: goandykid

hahaha

youtube link? The Sell vs Smith fights is now one of my favorites ever, absolutely amazing.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by goandykid

hahaha

youtube link? The Sell vs Smith fights is now one of my favorites ever, absolutely amazing.

Not yet but if you have HBO it will be replayed twice tomorrow with the Mayweather/Baldomir preceding it. Yeah that was pretty amazing. I bet Sell is beside himself. He probably thought he was going to go in and finish it quickly but BAM! Ouch.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

This was not on UFC ...

Posted by: goandykid

haha thats awful bone

Posted by: goandykid

theyr replaying the Sell fight in about 5 mins on spike, check it out for those of you who missed it

Posted by: Dale Mabry

I think they were all 30-27.

Posted by: goandykid

You're right.

I only heard the 30-27 so I thought one judge was nuts, but apparently they all are.

Official score:
30-27 Serra
30-27 Lytle
30-27 Serra

I guess they were really told to focus on aggression or control of the ring or something

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Chris Lytle vs. Matt Serra
Patrick Cote vs. Travis Lutter
Rich Clementi vs. Din Thomas
Edwin Dewees vs. Jorge Rivera
Jeremy Jackson vs. Pete Spratt
Scott Smith vs. Pete Sell
Gideon Ray vs. Charles McCarthy

Damn you Jeremy Jackson, I almost had a clean sweep!

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by goandykid

wow, and Lutter with an easy upset of Cote, armbar in under 2 minutes

LOL, that wasn't an upset, Lutter is the real deal.

Posted by: AKIRA

The Smith/Sell fight was prolly the best fight Ive seen in a while. That ending, jesus, I thought I was watching a movie! And yes, I thought he was pretending to be hurt too.

I thought the others fights were kinda boring.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Damn you Jeremy Jackson, I almost had a clean sweep!

Damn good calls dude!

Anyone see the fight before Serra/Lytle? The white dude and Brazilian dude...was anyone else somewhat surprised that the towel wasn't thrown or there wasn't a stoppage?

Posted by: ReproMan

I thought the Leites Vs. Kampmann fight was pretty entertaining. I thought the Serra vs. Lytle fight was gonna go a 4th round. I had it scored 30-30 (10 point must).

Oh and Din Thomas proved last night he's from PSL. He was a typical shit talking thug after his win. Fuck him.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Damn good calls dude!

Anyone see the fight before Serra/Lytle? The white dude and Brazilian dude...was anyone else somewhat surprised that the towel wasn't thrown or there wasn't a stoppage?

Hah thanks!

Yeah I thinnk they didn't stop it because there really wasn't much on Kampmann's punches and all of Leites punches, although slow and unorthodox, seemed effective. That was a boxing clinic though, and Kampmann has some wicked takedown defense. Good fight IMO.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Who would destroy Serra fastest, GSP or Hughes?

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Who would destroy Serra fastest, GSP or Hughes?

GSP, no question. That's why he called out Hughes.

Serra would be a real force at 155 IMO.

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Damn good calls dude!

Anyone see the fight before Serra/Lytle? The white dude and Brazilian dude...was anyone else somewhat surprised that the towel wasn't thrown or there wasn't a stoppage?

I was surprised too. Although, I didnt see much power in the punches the aggressor threw, but when he started landing knees, I got excited.

A suttle push wouldve knocked that guy over.

Dale, I dont know, but I think Serra sucks.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

I never realized Serra was such a shrimp either. He made Joe Rogan look like Yao Ming. He seems cool and respectable and everything, I just don't think he's anywhere where close to the level of Hughes, GSP, Penn, Sanchez, ect.

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I never realized Serra was such a shrimp either. He made Joe Rogan look like Yao Ming. He seems cool and respectable and everything, I just don't think he's anywhere where close to the level of Hughes, GSP, Penn, Sanchez, ect.

Fuck no. And whats his reach?

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

It's weird because he used to be. His BJJ is second to none, but he looked helpless in there against Lytle. He's just too small for 170.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

I was surprised too. Although, I didnt see much power in the punches the aggressor threw, but when he started landing knees, I got excited.

A suttle push wouldve knocked that guy over.

Dale, I dont know, but I think Serra sucks.

Yeah his corner and the ref must have just given him the benefit and didn't throw in the towel because he showed a lot of heart and they didn't want to throw it in after him taking it the whole fight. But midway through the 3rd, the white dude was just having fun and throwing barrages of unblocked kicks and punches and it was starting to get a little ridiculous.

Posted by: AKIRA

I was pretty surprised he didnt just get a good hit in and end it. Thats what leads me to believe there was no power or aim in the strikes.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

His reach is 70", but since he is wide the reach is less functional.

Serra seems like a genuine, nice guy, but for some reason I don't like him.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

His reach is 70", but since he is wide the reach is less functional.

Serra seems like a genuine, nice guy, but for some reason I don't like him.

I think it's because he is a bit cocky. He talked shit about Hughes, then he talked shit to the BJJ trainer on the show, and then he made fun of Rich Franklin after he tried to give him advice. He just acts like he's better than a lot of people. Maybe a little bitter over his past UFC fights.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

IMO, those are all his redeeming qualities.

Posted by: IainDaniel

I don't blame him for talking shit about Hughes, or that trainer. At least he is man enough to deal with it face to face instead of talking shit behind there backs.

Having said that Serra stands no chance against Hughes or GSP. He doesn't belong in this weightclass, but you have to give him credit for stepping up, knowing it would give him a title shot.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

In his defense, Hughes is a big asshole and so is the BJJ trainer he got into it with. Now that I re-watched the episode with Rich Franklin on it, I noticed how insecure Franklin is, and how God awful the advice he gave to Serra was. I don't think he is cocky at all, just extremely confident, and rightfully so.

When people say Serra sucks they obviously haven't seen the list of people he has fought, including a close fight with BJ Penn, and he almost knocked Karo Paryisian out in the opening moments of their bout. Serra has only been stopped once in his career, by that desperation spinning backfist from Shonie Carter, prior to that he was dominating the fight. If Serra drops to 155 he's a real deal contender.

Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

I thought the Leites Vs. Kampmann fight was pretty entertaining. I thought the Serra vs. Lytle fight was gonna go a 4th round. I had it scored 30-30 (10 point must).

Oh and Din Thomas proved last night he's from PSL. He was a typical shit talking thug after his win. Fuck him.

PSL?

Posted by: goandykid

Didn't Din Thomas say he was dropping to 155?

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

In his defense, Hughes is a big asshole and so is the BJJ trainer he got into it with. Now that I re-watched the episode with Rich Franklin on it, I noticed how insecure Franklin is, and how God awful the advice he gave to Serra was. I don't think he is cocky at all, just extremely confident, and rightfully so.

When people say Serra sucks they obviously haven't seen the list of people he has fought, including a close fight with BJ Penn, and he almost knocked Karo Paryisian out in the opening moments of their bout. Serra has only been stopped once in his career, by that desperation spinning backfist from Shonie Carter, prior to that he was dominating the fight. If Serra drops to 155 he's a real deal contender.

Yeah I have no idea what that advice was all about. And after the fact you could tell Franklin knew it was bad advice but he wouldn't admit it.

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

When people say Serra sucks they obviously haven't seen the list of people he has fought, including a close fight with BJ Penn, and he almost knocked Karo Paryisian out in the opening moments of their bout. Serra has only been stopped once in his career, by that desperation spinning backfist from Shonie Carter, prior to that he was dominating the fight. If Serra drops to 155 he's a real deal contender.

I said it!

This was the only fight I have ever seen him in, so I dont know really. This fight I saw couldve went both ways in the decision calling IMO.

I just got bored when that fight was going on and even though it was a bore, I did want to see 2 extra rounds, just out of the chance that one of them would finally get a good hit in.

Posted by: Pedigree

Lytle won the fight. He completely controlled Serra and didn't allow him to do anything. Serra settled for footstomps the whole fight while Lytle bitchsmacked him on the face and landed body punches. Absolute crap judging.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by Pedigree

Lytle won the fight. He completely controlled Serra and didn't allow him to do anything. Serra settled for footstomps the whole fight while Lytle bitchsmacked him on the face and landed body punches. Absolute crap judging.

Do you compete in MMA?

IMO, the fight could go either way. Knowing each fighter's strengths, I would say Lytle completely neutralized Serra's strengths while scoring some points. IMO, Serra didn't score. Is that taken into consideration by the judges?

Posted by: Pedigree

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I've wrestled since I was 14 and have been training MMA about 4 months. I'll compete in my first cage fight sometime in '07. I can't wait.

Most judges take the fighter's styles into consideration. Serra's plan, as in every fight he's in, is to utilize his very strong jiu-jitsu. Lytle dominated him in the sense that he was never in real danger of being submitted by Serra. Lytle had a game plan to stay on his feet, which he did that most of the fight. His sprawl was impressive. He even took Serra down convincingly, which isn't his style at all. As I said in my other post, Serra just stood and tried to stomp his feet while Lytle smacked him and delivered some body shots. For the most part, neither guy threw really hard shots in the clinch, but Lytle's shots should have scored more than Serra's footstomps that didn't land 1/2 the time. Even if Lytle would have thrown more punches, it wouldn't have made a difference. Two of the judges had the fight 30-27 for Serra, while one judge had it 30-27 for Lytle. IMO, all three judges were high!

Round 1: Lytle 10 Serra 9
Round 2: Lytle 10 Serra 9
Round 3: Serra 10 Lytle 9

The real score of the fight? 29-28 Lytle.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by goandykid

PSL?

Port St. Lucie, Florida

Din trains 5 miles from my house in a town called Port St. Lucie, which is notorious for being a haven for low priced homes, and no-class human beings. We live in a sleepy retirement area of Florida, and for some reason everyone from PSL, thinks they are urban gang members. Din talking shit after the fight reminded me of every shit talking scum bag from that town.

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Didn't Din Thomas say he was dropping to 155?

Yes, that fight was at 155.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Pedigree

I disagree with this. Serra controlled the tempo of the fight, he also dictated where the fight took place. Those are two large determining factors of judging when no points are scored. I can see your case, because Lytle successfully defended absolutely everything Serra threw at him, but he did absolutely nothing on offense. I had the fight a 30-30 draw, but I can definitely see why the judges scored it the way they did.

Posted by: Pedigree

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Fair enough scoring. BUT, if you're saying Serra controlled the fight, that would mean he was content to stand up against the fence, stomp Lytle's feet, and receive 432 bitchsmacks.

He looked a bit frustrated to me, especially when they were on the ground and he couldn't submit Lytle. Serra didn't do anything he wanted to do...Lytle stuffed him. Jiu-jitsu was designed for ground fighting, not holding a guy up against the cage.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Pedigree

Fair enough scoring. BUT, if you're saying Serra controlled the fight, that would mean he was content to stand up against the fence, stomp Lytle's feet, and receive 432 bitchsmacks.

Again, Lytle did nothing but stop Serra. Which in essence means Serra pushed the pace and Lytle played defense the whole time. Can't score points without offense....

Posted by: Pedigree

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Again, Lytle did nothing but stop Serra. Which in essence means Serra pushed the pace and Lytle played defense the whole time. Can't score points without offense....

Fair enough.
The thing that really pissed me off was two judges with 30-27 Serra and one with 30-27 Lytle. I could have handled 29-28 unanimously for Serra much easier then a split with complete opposite results as they were.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Pedigree

Agreed. Like I said, I scored it 30-30. I can see giving the edge to Serra, but not 30-27.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Weigh-ins for tomorrow night's fights:

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=even...l.home&eid=324

Posted by: the nut

UFC 65:
Hughes vs. St. Pierre
Sylvia vs. Monson
Vera vs. Mir

Posted by: Malley

If Mir comes into the fight in the shape he was in the last fight he will get dominated. Hopefully we will see him in shape.

And I still dont see Hughes losing.

Posted by: fufu

Didn't the fight already happen? Who won???

Posted by: bigss75

Mir got pwned. going into the 5th round of sylvia fight

Posted by: bigss75

GSP wins

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by bigss75

Mir got pwned. going into the 5th round of sylvia fight

Fuck yeah he did. He is a has been.

I was sorry to see Monson lose to a decision, but what could he do? That fat tall stack of shit is just too long. What a champion, "cant even KO a midget."

Vera is one bad motherfucker. Sylvia better lose to him, if not, how about the Dutch guy after the Hughes fight? Oh yea the Hughes fight...

GSP totally dominated that fuckjob. Happy times over here! Mr. Hughes didnt do a DAMN thing. Total humiliation. Totally deserved.

But now GSP has to fight Serra!

The one fight with Hector vs. the Irvin kid (is that it?) was terrible fighting but entertaining nonetheless. I never laughed harder at a fight.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Alessio Sakara/Drew McFedries fight of the night. I was bullshit they didn't show the Diaz fight too. Sylvia fought a smart fight and looked good on the ground. Monson doesn't deserve it if he isn't willing to go balls to the wall to KO Sylvia in the last round when he knows he's down on the cards. GSP was impressive as hell and you could tell 10 secs. into the fight that it was all his. He'll be a great champ! Lookin forward to Diego Sanchez title fight soon too. I also hear Alexander Emelienko may be coming to the UFC so watch out Tim Sylvia.

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Alessio Sakara/Drew McFedries fight of the night. I was bullshit they didn't show the Diaz fight too. Sylvia fought a smart fight and looked good on the ground. Monson doesn't deserve it if he isn't willing to go balls to the wall to KO Sylvia in the last round when he knows he's down on the cards. GSP was impressive as hell and you could tell 10 secs. into the fight that it was all his. He'll be a great champ! Lookin forward to Diego Sanchez title fight soon too. I also hear Alexander Emelienko may be coming to the UFC so watch out Tim Sylvia.

Why cant I remember that one?

Stevenson, Vera, Irvin, Sylvia, GSP, Dutch guy...hmph, I remember the name Sakara, but not the fight.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Why cant I remember that one?

Stevenson, Vera, Irvin, Sylvia, GSP, Dutch guy...hmph, I remember the name Sakara, but not the fight.

He was the guy from Italy with all the tattoos and it was pretty much a slug fest between him and McFedries. Sakara eventually got hit with a nice uppercut and fell in like a delayed reaction and then McFedries got on top of him and threw some mean body shots and then a few head shots and it was over.

Posted by: IainDaniel

So any links to video of any of the fights last night?

Posted by: Doublebase

GSP looked incredible. Hughes could not do shit. Slyvia/Munson fight sucked. I give credit to Munson for getting him down once. Slyvia just is not an exciting fighter while he has the belt. He just does what he needs to do to keep that belt. I think Vera will make him fight. Vera looked really good last night. A lot of Muay Thai clinches. Definatly a great UFC. A lot of awesome fights.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Yeah Vera is definately gonna give Sylvia a run for his money. Same with Diego if he gets a title shot against GSP.

Posted by: bigss75

Vera is pretty dam good, I'd like to see him fight Sylvia, but its hard to fight a 6'7 guy to spar with to get the feel of fighting with.

Hughes didn't fight the same way he usually does, he was all smiley and looked like he lacked focus. GSP did rock his world.

Posted by: Mudge

Monson started looking good in the 3rd round with some possible choke-outs but they didn't stick, then took a knee at the end of the 3rd. He is just too screwed on reach, 5'9" vs 6'8" is very apparent.

Hughes, he looked dead before even going into the fight - looking at the ground a lot like he got some bad news. Then took a couple sorta-groin shots sending him to the ground, but he got hammered.

Of the non-televised fights, Hector Ramirez should have won out over James Irvin if he had better stamina. Irvin doesn't know what he is doing, and got a "lucky" shot when Ramirez threw a left into the air, he was tired. Irvin won on conditioning but Ramirez looks to be a better fighter. Irvin was about to do his pee pee dance after that first punch and then saw Ramirez wasn't gone just yet, then got down and wailed on him.

Most of the fights were quick, Monson was the only one that went to decision. You could see how nervous he was of those long ass arms the whole night, he kept throwing up his elbow and backing up, but neither of them really went gung ho, they just stared at each other, and Monson kept trying to tempt him onto the ground.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by bigss75

Hughes didn't fight the same way he usually does, he was all smiley and looked like he lacked focus.

I was there and I didn't catch any smiles, he looked fucking depressed. He walked towards the ring staring at the ground every few seconds. GSP was full of energy and wailed on him.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

But now GSP has to fight Serra!

The one fight with Hector vs. the Irvin kid (is that it?) was terrible fighting but entertaining nonetheless. I never laughed harder at a fight.

They told GSP after the fight that his next fight would be in Montreal... Is that gonna be Serra (ghey) or Hughes again. I don't see how anyone could expect Hughes to beat GSP after his last fight against Penn, he looked horrible. What's the deal with the UFC not talking about Penn dislocating his rib at all. They were saying that he looked impressive against Penn, and that a joke if the dislocated rib is for real.

Monson was a joke. What happened to Monson's improved boxing skills. That dude was scared shitless to come inside. He should have brought that fight as inside as possible, alla Mike Tyson when he fought taller guys.

Fedor to UFC??? Dana White is gonna have to open up the checkbook, probably 3-4 times what Liddell makes. Sylvia might retire if that happens.

Posted by: Mudge

I'd love to see Fedor come in.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

How about Monson coming out to the Beatles "Imagine?" He didn't even deserve to win after that one.

Posted by: fufu

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

How about Monson coming out to the Beatles "Imagine?" He didn't even deserve to win after that one.

Actually that was John Lennon's Imagine.

Posted by: the nut

There was a collective "ghey" released when me and my boys heard that.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by fufu

Actually that was John Lennon's Imagine.

Wasn't he in the Beatles?

Posted by: goandykid

Solo song, after Yoko fucked the Beatles

Posted by: Goodfella9783

True same damn thing then. The point is it's a corny ass song to begin with. And when you use it to come out to fight a 6'8" giant...

Posted by: goandykid

If I was Sylvia I wouldve come out to

Benefit - If I Owned A Midget

Posted by: goandykid

videos?

Posted by: fufu

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Wasn't he in the Beatles?

Yeah, but it is entirely not by the Beatles.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by fufu

Yeah, but it is entirely not by the Beatles.

Word up. The song is ass, especially how he used it.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

I was like WTF

!?!?!?

The UFC is not the place for a political message. It fell on deaf ears ... all we wanna see are fists and tits.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

I was like WTF

!?!?!?

The UFC is not the place for a political message. It fell on deaf ears ... all we wanna see are fists and tits.

Posted by: BigDyl

GSP dominated. This is the end for hughes.

Posted by: goandykid

welcome back BD?

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by goandykid

welcome back BD?

Matt Hughes lost, it was only a matter of time!

Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by the nut

Matt Hughes lost, it was only a matter of time!

Why'd you quote me?

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Oh yeah. I disagree. When that asshole fell, I felt as if he gave up or was 'supposed to.'

Monson did fight a lousy fight. Let me just say I fucking HATE watching Sylvia's fights. A tall stack of slobbed out shit is hard enough to look at, then you got the constant jabs on top of it. Ugh. I know hes using what hes got, but

on entertainment. Now that Hughes is down, Sylvia is the next jerkoff I want to see go down.

And I agree, Irvin got a lucky punch in. I think hes a shitty figher period. Oh and I love his over zealous victory stance before the official KO.

Posted by: AKIRA

Oh yeah, and what was with the crowd? Boo-ing everyone not in the USA. I see the love, but cmon, talent is talent, regardless where it comes from.

Posted by: goandykid

I hope Arlovski gets another 1st round KO on Sylvia, thatd be nice. The Millitich camp is falling apart, Sylvia is the only belt holder now out of 3 a few months ago. Whats this about Fedor?

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by goandykid

Why'd you quote me?

Because that's why BD came back!

Posted by: goandykid

permission granted

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by goandykid

I hope Arlovski gets another 1st round KO on Sylvia, thatd be nice. The Millitich camp is falling apart, Sylvia is the only belt holder now out of 3 a few months ago. Whats this about Fedor?

Where is Arlovski? What happened to him?

Would Fedor do ok without kicking people on the ground?

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by the nut

Matt Hughes lost, it was only a matter of time!

Yeah, it was only a matter of time until the supposed best welter weight of all time got completely dominated to the point where he looked like an amateur....

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Monson did fight a lousy fight. Let me just say I fucking HATE watching Sylvia's fights. A tall stack of slobbed out shit is hard enough to look at, then you got the constant jabs on top of it. Ugh. I know hes using what hes got, but

on entertainment. Now that Hughes is down, Sylvia is the next jerkoff I want to see go down.

I have more a bitch with opponents who are a afraid to come inside on him. He's the champ, they have to come to him. UFC heavyweights are just sorry. You seem to have something against the guy because he is fat? Fedor has a bit of a gut himself.

Did you see the Gyno on that big black dude... holy shit!

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Where is Arlovski? What happened to him?

Would Fedor do ok without kicking people on the ground?

No, that's fedor's only skill considering I've only seen him do it like 1 time.

Posted by: goandykid

Fedor in UFC? I didn;t catch it, someone explain?

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Yeah, it was only a matter of time until the supposed best welter weight of all time got completely dominated to the point where he looked like an amateur....

It was obvious what gonna happen in those 2 championship fights... I wish I was in Vegas for it. I'd be spending the winnings balls deep in a hooker right now!

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Oh yeah, and what was with the crowd? Boo-ing everyone not in the USA. I see the love, but cmon, talent is talent, regardless where it comes from.

Haha I know right. I thought it was funny how GSP said he wants to keep the belt in North American territory. All the Canadian fighters seem cool as hell.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Where is Arlovski? What happened to him?

He's fighting in the Tito/Lidell II undercard.

Posted by: goandykid

against who? and someone please answer about fedor

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by goandykid

against who? and someone please answer about fedor

He's fighting Marcio Cruz. And I didn't hear that rumor about Fedor. I did hear something about Alex Emelianenko coming to the UFC. Either way, one or the other would probably take the belt quick.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by goandykid

against who? and someone please answer about fedor

Somebody mentioned it in this thread, I didn't read that anywhere else... I don't think UFC gonna pay him enough!

Posted by: goandykid

Did Dana say something?

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by goandykid

against who? and someone please answer about fedor

There was a reference to Fedor earlier, but nothing stated as though it was an event. Kinda like my dad would kick your dad's ass kinda shit. Fedor will not fight in UFC ... no money in it. Thge Japs pay him a shitload.

I loved watching GSP wax MH. The only one I was wrong about was Monson. I was sure that once he was on the ground he'd own TS, but the big dork out powered monson. I wish someone would end that guy I'm tired of looking at him.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by goandykid

Did Dana say something?

Only thing Dana said was to tell GSP he had his next fight in his Montreal ... and GSP went away all spastic jumping around holding his head then waiving his hands in the air like a lil kid that just got what he wanted for Christmas. He fucking owned Hughes like I knew he would. I was sooooo waiting for this. Now I don't have to listen to that fucking walk out from Hughes as much.

I like GSP just for that.

Posted by: goandykid

I want to see some god damn LH title fights

Posted by: goandykid

EXcited for Tito and Chuck

Posted by: Goodfella9783

A lot of changes in the last month of the UFC. Now Tito has a chance to take it from the Iceman and Vera may get a shot at Sylvia. Both legit opportunities for new LHW and HW title holders.

Posted by: goandykid

I hope Tito wins for many reasons, but I'd love to see a Diego Sanchez vs Tito Title fight

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Yeah that's gonna be a good week or so: Christmas, Tito vs. Liddell, New Year's Eve.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by goandykid

I hope Tito wins for many reasons, but I'd love to see a Diego Sanchez vs Tito Title fight

Diego would have to move up 2 classes. I don't see that happening.

Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Diego would have to move up 2 classes. I don't see that happening.

I heard he was. I know he's a WW, I was jsut as surprised.

Posted by: the nut

How about a Sylvia v Barnett fight... then we could really see who is the sloppiest heavyweight!

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by goandykid

I heard he was. I know he's a WW, I was jsut as surprised.

Battle of the Mexicanos.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Battle of the Mexicanos.

I say we deport both!

Posted by: goandykid

hahahaha

my 2 favorite fighters

I like Forrest alot too.

Posted by: ReproMan

GSP made Hughes look like an amature. About damn time!

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Haha I know right. I thought it was funny how GSP said he wants to keep the belt in North American territory. All the Canadian fighters seem cool as hell.

YEah cause most Canadians are assholes

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

YEah cause most Canadians are assholes

Didn't mean that at all. I just meant that the Canadians stick out as being more respectable and easy going than a lot of the American fighters.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Didn't mean that at all. I just meant that the Canadians stick out as being more respectable and easy going than a lot of the American fighters.

I know I just wanted to bust your chops

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

YEah cause most Canadians are assholes

Iain that was very wrong of you to say like that.

It shoula been "YEah cause most Canadians are assholes EH?"

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Iain that was very wrong of you to say like that.

It shoula been "YEah cause most Canadians are assholes EH?"

Take off EH... yah hoser!

Posted by: IainDaniel

Here ya go

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/s...rges-st-pierre

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Nice...good quality too. Anyone think there will be a third? Rush usually comes out to good music. I don't understand this song, but good beat.

Posted by: IainDaniel

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/ufc%2065/1

Some other fights as well

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Take off EH... yah hoser!

LOL ...

But hey the French Hip-Hop walk out sux. I'd like something more hard rock instead of some kinda goofy french thing. Didn't think of that when I was rooting for GSP. Now I must re-consider my backing of GSP ...

Posted by: IainDaniel

French Hip-hop DJ Mixing is huge in Quebec

Posted by: Pedigree

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

GSP made Hughes look like an amature. About damn time!

True story. Hughes looked like a D fighter in the cage with a...Welterweight Champion. The outcome didn't surprise me, but GSP's dominance did. He looked friggin' awesome!

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

French Hip-hop DJ Mixing is huge in Quebec

So is gay love ...

... what can we expect from people that don't wanna speak proper eh?

Posted by: IainDaniel

I dunno, as long as they keep having amazing strip clubs there, I will never complain

Posted by: BoneCrusher

As long as they keep adding fighters like GSP to the game it's all good. He's dominated everyone he's fought lately.

Posted by: IainDaniel

MMA is very big up here, so don't be suprised to see some more.

Posted by: ReproMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree

True story. Hughes looked like a D fighter in the cage with a...Welterweight Champion. The outcome didn't surprise me, but GSP's dominance did. He looked friggin' awesome!

I knew GSP would dominate, but I figured Hughes would last at least 3 or 4 rounds. All I can say is wow.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Watching Horn vs Griffin rt now ...

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

I dunno, as long as they keep having amazing strip clubs there, I will never complain

I thought the strip clubs sucked, I'll stick to Vegas!

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

I knew GSP would dominate, but I figured Hughes would last at least 3 or 4 rounds. All I can say is wow.

Same here. I was happy GSP got the belt. I was disappointed it was so one sided and ended so quickly. I was hoping after the Sylvia fight, there would at least be a good show with the WW's.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Same here. I was happy GSP got the belt. I was disappointed it was so one sided and ended so quickly. I was hoping after the Sylvia fight, there would at least be a good show with the WW's.

What a terrible UFC that was!

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Yup. The three main fights weren't as great as I was hoping for and they didn't even show the Diaz fight.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by the nut

What a terrible UFC that was!

UFC needs to start beefing up the cards and televising the entire event. The cost of the PPV was not worth it IMHO. I find some kinda MMA event to download and watch almost every day and I downloaded this anyway, but if Idda paid for it Idda been pissed off. For free it was great ... mostly, ... cept for the Monson fight.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

PPV is shit these days. I got them until 2 months ago, but found a bar down the road that has them on for free so will do that from now on. As much as the MMA PPVs suck, $60 for a boxing PPV is highway robbery.

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Wow, it was really that much? A friend hosted it and all I had to bring was beer...which he didnt even drink!

About the WW title fight being so quick, I didnt mind. I didnt mind cuz I never liked Hughes and it was nice to see him practically humiliated. I mean, you couldnt even call it a few lucky blows, the fucker was raped.

And Yes, I think Tim looks like shit cuz hes fat. Other than his size, he just looks plain fucking stupid. Its as if he could be taken down easily if someone just used their brain over his size.

Ugh. It was impressive to see that porkchop get out of Monson's holds. I still dont know how he did it..

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

I'm Sylvia fan. He's just a smart, tough bastard. All these supposed MMA experts and they can't beat him??? Frank Mir shatters his arm and the ref has make him stop cause he won't quit. And, Arlovski (who is 6'5 and supposedly much more skilled than Sylvia) Puts Sylvia down and he gets right back up and puts him away. I like the heart this guy shows. If Arlovski or Monson had it they would be UFC champ right. The best fighter won. I could care less that he looks sloppy, he's not my type.

Posted by: Malley

I like Sylvia as well. Anyone who shows that much emotion whenever they win is A-ok in my book.

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