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Posted by: Mista

This is basically what I have been doing

Workout 1

DB seated shoulder press 6x4
Bent over rows 3x8
DB standing alternate shoulder press 6x4
Squats 3x8
Single arm row 3x8
Calves 3x10
Lunges 3x8
Sit ups 3x20
Weighted crunches 3x8

Workout 2

One arm Benchpress 2x6, 1x8
DB shrugs 3x8
Concentration curls 2x6, 1x8
Upright rows 3x8
Hammer curls 2x6
Flat chest flies 3x8
Overhead tricep extension 2x6, 1x8

Deadlifts 3x8

Change or add dips?

1-2-Off-Off-1-2-Off-Off-Repeat

I want to change to a 4 day split tho doing 1-2-Off-Off-3-4-Off-Off-Repeat

Chest - Back - Legs - Arms,Abs

Its easy to take out legs but how would you break up the rest?

Legs

Squats 3x8
Calves 3x10
Lunges 3x8
Deadlifts 3x8

Chest

One arm Benchpress 2x6, 1x8
Flat chest flies 3x8
Dips 3x8

Arms - Abs

Concentration curls 2x6, 1x8
Hammer curls 2x6
Overhead tricep extension 2x6, 1x8
Sit ups 3x20
Weighted crunches 3x8

Back

DB seated shoulder press 6x4
Bent over rows 3x8
DB standing alternate shoulder press 6x4
Single arm row 3x8
DB shrugs 3x8
Upright rows 3x8

The back day seems to have too much. Chest maybe not enough.

Dont worry about sets / reps, that I change.
Any tips on how to break up workout 1 and 2 into 4 would be a great help.

Thanks



Posted by: Double D

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Originally Posted by Mista View Post
This is basically what I have been doing

Legs

Squats 3x8
Calves 3x10 Put these last
Lunges 3x8
Deadlifts 3x8

Chest

One arm Benchpress 2x6, 1x8 Why not just do db bench or bb bench, why 1 arm bench, I wouldnt think you would be able to do alot of weight like that....hard to balance.
Flat chest flies 3x8
Dips 3x8

Arms - Abs

Concentration curls 2x6, 1x8
Hammer curls 2x6
Overhead tricep extension 2x6, 1x8
Skull Crushers 3 sets
Sit ups 3x20
Weighted crunches 3x8

Back and shoulders

DB seated shoulder press 3x4
Bent over rows 3x8
DB standing alternate shoulder press 3x4
Single arm row 3x8
DB shrugs 3x8
Upright rows 3x8

The back day seems to have too much. Chest maybe not enough.


Dont worry about sets / reps, that I change.
Any tips on how to break up workout 1 and 2 into 4 would be a great help.

Thanks

Also do your arms on the last day of the week. I got your changes in bold. There are more, but I got into a hurry I am at work.



Posted by: CowPimp

I think that if you are going to do a low frequency split, then you should go with push-pull-legs.



Posted by: Double D

Also I would do Monday and Tuesday on
Weds-off
Thurs and friday-on
sat and sun-off



Posted by: Double D

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I think that if you are going to do a low frequency split, then you should go with push-pull-legs.
Yes and no. It is the most common you will see here. However I have did what you are doing and have seen great results with it. Just experiement and see if you like it.

The yes meaning it is also a good split.



Posted by: CowPimp

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Yes and no. It is the most common you will see here. However I have did what you are doing and have seen great results with it. Just experiement and see if you like it.

The yes meaning it is also a good split.
Yeah, I mean you can organize it other ways. It's just easier to keep track of the volume of various movements with that kind of split.



Posted by: Double D

I knew what you meant CP.....I was just going by personal experience.



Posted by: CowPimp

Too much pressing with the upper body and not enough pulling.

Your set/rep parameters seem a little random and unorganized.

I don't particularly like the split, but it can work if you balance things out a little better.



Posted by: Mista

I did one arm bench just for a change to see if it made progress any different. Will go back to bb.

I wanted a four day split to decrease the time im working out, and still be able to push myself. Im on a cut so energy isn't the same and after work I like going out. I dont have a car so I been riding which takes longer a tires me more.

I was thinking about doing push / pull / legs and will try that when I bulk again. Keeping track of volumes is no trouble.

Monday and Tuesday on
Weds-off
Thurs and friday-on
sat and sun-off

The above sounds like a good idea, where would you do HIIT?



Posted by: CowPimp

I can actually do almost as much with the one-armed bench press as I can with a regular DB bench press.



Posted by: Mista

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Too much pressing with the upper body and not enough pulling.

Your set/rep parameters seem a little random and unorganized.

I don't particularly like the split, but it can work if you balance things out a little better.
Sets are usually 3 and reps 8. This was cut and paste from my journal. The 2x6 were PB and the 1x8 was the usual.

What would you do instead?



Posted by: Double D

Whenever I do HIIT I like to do it whenever I am working with weights for 3 days. Then its weights, cardio, weights, cardio, weights, cardio, off. I would do HIIT 2 days a week Maybe once on Weds and once on the weekend.



Posted by: Double D

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I can actually do almost as much with the one-armed bench press as I can with a regular DB bench press.
How do you balance yourself?

I just seem to think theres no point in doing 1-arm bench because you can get the exact results out of DB Bench.



Posted by: Mista

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Whenever I do HIIT I like to do it whenever I am working with weights for 3 days. Then its weights, cardio, weights, cardio, weights, cardio, off. I would do HIIT 2 days a week Maybe once on Weds and once on the weekend.
Thats what I was thinking. The only thing on my mind was 6 days straight of activity, but shortening the WO should make this OK?



Posted by: CowPimp

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Sets are usually 3 and reps 8. This was cut and paste from my journal. The 2x6 were PB and the 1x8 was the usual.

What would you do instead?
You have 4 pressing movements, plus an isolation chest movements, and only 3 pulling movements. One of the pulling movements in the upright row, which I think is a garbage movement anyway, and stimulates the front/lateral delts which you have plenty of already.



Posted by: CowPimp

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How do you balance yourself?

I just seem to think theres no point in doing 1-arm bench because you can get the exact results out of DB Bench.
You balance yourself by keeping you trunk rigid, which is the idea. It's some core training integrated into another movement. I also like 1-armed bent rows, 1-armed standing overhead presses, 1-armed standing cable flys, etc.



Posted by: Double D

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You have 4 pressing movements, plus an isolation chest movements, and only 3 pulling movements. One of the pulling movements in the upright row, which I think is a garbage movement anyway, and stimulates the front/lateral delts which you have plenty of already.

I dont like upright rows either. They are also hard on the shoulders.



Posted by: Double D

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You balance yourself by keeping you trunk rigid, which is the idea. It's some core training integrated into another movement. I also like 1-armed bent rows, 1-armed standing overhead presses, 1-armed standing cable flys, etc.
I have did all of them at one time or another. I absolutly love 1-arm DB rows, but thats about it. Peronally I like doing both at once. However I have been doing 1-arm bent over laterals.



Posted by: Double D

Mista-I am not real sure about your HIIT. CP could probably give you some more insight on it.



Posted by: Mista

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You have 4 pressing movements, plus an isolation chest movements, and only 3 pulling movements. One of the pulling movements in the upright row, which I think is a garbage movement anyway, and stimulates the front/lateral delts which you have plenty of already.
I was doing this for traps? Does it even hit them? What does? Do you think I should drop it.

What other pulling movements do you reccomend?



Posted by: Mista

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I dont like upright rows either. They are also hard on the shoulders.
Yeh, I agree.



Posted by: Double D

It does slightly. However things like; Deadlifts, shrugs, and farmer walks are much better for traps.



Posted by: Double D

Another pull could be pullups, chinups, or some pulldowns. Something to really help you widen your back.



Posted by: Mista

So drop the upright row and do chin ups?



Posted by: Double D

Thats what I would do.



Posted by: CowPimp

I would do chinups and pullups/pulldowns both.



Posted by: RockSolid

my body seems to respond well to upright rows, I was doing them with an ez curl bar and last week switched to the barbell. I guess Im wondering how much work is necessary for shoulders or what you guys would do instead besides overhead press movements.



Posted by: Mista

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I would do chinups and pullups/pulldowns both.
I workout at home, I will be doing chinups in the backyard but I dont have any machines.

Is there another option for me in regards to pulldowns?



Posted by: CowPimp

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I workout at home, I will be doing chinups in the backyard but I dont have any machines.

Is there another option for me in regards to pulldowns?
That's fine then. Just do a buttload of chinups and call it a day, heh.



Posted by: Mista

Would it be OK for some days to workout in the morning then again at night, followed by a day off?



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by RockSolid View Post
my body seems to respond well to upright rows, I was doing them with an ez curl bar and last week switched to the barbell. I guess Im wondering how much work is necessary for shoulders or what you guys would do instead besides overhead press movements.
I don't do anything but compound push/pull movements and the occasional exercise for my scapular retractors/posterior delts that is more isolated; the face pull is a good example.



Posted by: Mista

Thanks for you help CowPimp and Double D



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