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Red Meat.... Raw?

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Posted by: obz

By and large my meats come from chicken breast, lean ground chicken/turkey and tuna or salmon. But I loves some red meat.

The other night while preparing a flank steak dish (carne asada style with lemon juice habanero. sea salt and pepper), I was starving, and started to nibble on the raw seasoned meat I was preparing.
Probably not for everyone, but I thought it was damned good. Infact I put enough raw meat aside for a meal and cooked the rest for the next day.

Any heads up on raw beef? it is from an organic grocer etc so should be ok yeah?

Posted by: Mista

Posted by: obz

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Yeah yeah, and some people wont eat sushi either. My question is about nutritional value or health issues, obviously I like the taste.... almost like carpaccio.

Don't worry, you don't have to have any

Posted by: IainDaniel

If you trust the butcher, then there are some great raw beef dishes. But be very cautious doing so.

Posted by: obz

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

If you trust the butcher, then there are some great raw beef dishes. But be very cautious doing so.

Yeah you ever try the Healthy Butcher on Queen W? (I'm assuming if you're in Ontario you've at least been through Toronto). Really good stuff, organic, clean.

I mean, it's not like chicken right? I'm not gonna get salmonella or anything you think?

Posted by: Mista

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Its just the thought of killing something, and diggin in.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Heard of it, saw it on the web. Never tried it.

Do you watch The Food Network, Alton Brown does a show on raw beef Tenderloin.

Salmonella isn't the concern with raw beef. More so E.coli.

Posted by: obz

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Heard of it, saw it on the web. Never tried it.

Do you watch The Food Network, Alton Brown does a show on raw beef Tenderloin.

Salmonella isn't the concern with raw beef. More so E.coli.

Well if you're ever in downtown T.O. and in need of some great cuts of any meat, check them out. Along with Whole Foods, they are the best butchers in town.

And I haven't had television about 10 years now. I'll look up the raw tenderloin recipie though. Sounds fantastic. Thanks!

Posted by: katt

mmmmmm Sushi...

Made me think I haven't had that for awhile...

Posted by: CowPimp

I had a raw beef dish while I was in France, as did my father. My father also was served a raw lamb dish. We made it out alive.

Posted by: calalily1972

Mmmm....I love raw beef

I don't eat it but I'll nibble on it occasionally. Don't ever eat raw hamburg though. Well, I've done it too but you shouldn't. The meat goes through the grinder and those grinders carry tons of bacteria. The organic raw beef is fine occasionally but be careful.

Posted by: CowPimp

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Mmmm....I love raw beef

Yeah, one of these dishes my dad had in France was raw ground beef with a raw egg on it, heh. He was like WTF. Ordering off a menu where you understand only choice words is fun stuff.

Posted by: BBakaJoel

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Originally Posted by obz

By and large my meats come from chicken breast, lean ground chicken/turkey and tuna or salmon. But I loves some red meat.

The other night while preparing a flank steak dish (carne asada style with lemon juice habanero. sea salt and pepper), I was starving, and started to nibble on the raw seasoned meat I was preparing.
Probably not for everyone, but I thought it was damned good. Infact I put enough raw meat aside for a meal and cooked the rest for the next day.

Any heads up on raw beef? it is from an organic grocer etc so should be ok yeah?

NO! Having raw meat and cooked meat in your digestive system at the same time can kill you! Salmonella, anthrax, ecoli, whatever bacteria is on the meat, it thrives off dead cells. When you have raw meat you have very few dead cells and the bacteria will not thrive... thus safe for the average or better immune system. When you cook meat it is all dead cells and the bacterias from raw meet would thrive in that. That is potentially LETHAL!

Same thing with eggs and milk(raw as opposed to homogenized). Sushi, don't worry about, the flash freezing works the same as cooking with heat, all the cells and any bacteria are dead.

I would wait a month before you eat cooked meat after you ate raw meat and visa versa.

Other than that raw meat is actually better for you than cooked meat. Just don't combine them.

Do a web search on "raw meat diet".

Posted by: Plateau_Max

The thing about raw steak is different obviously than raw ground beef or chicken. The problem with ground beef (mentioned already) is that any bacteria in any portion of what gets thrown in, is thoroughly spread through it's entirety, so in order to be safe is to cook it completely. Steak is different, you'd be best just grilling both sides of the slab for a few seconds enough to burn off any collected bacteria and pollutants from exposed air and packaging material. If you like the taste then go for it.

Do not eat raw chicken, first of all it's disgusting and second of all salmonella is by far more unpredictable as far as where it may reside in the tissue.

Oh by the way the reason most people stick to grilled chicken as opposed to red meat is because red meat is higher in saturated fat. Just something to be aware of when you're really fiending for some beef.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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What are you talking about?

Posted by: largepkg

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

What are you talking about?

His post is making my head hurt.

Posted by: PWGriffin

He's right though, you should wait a month before eating cooked meat again after a raw meat meal....because it takes exactly 1 month for the raw meat to be digested.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Source?

Posted by: largepkg

The only thing I can say to this is, I should be dead if that's the case. I eat steak tartar at least once a month as an appetizer to my cooked filet. I've never even had so much as a tummy ache. So...

Posted by: calalily1972

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Source?

Yeah, no kidding. I want to see a source too because I call bullshit on this one. Not saying you guys haven't heard it before because I'm sure you have but I think who you are hearing it from is what matters. There is so much crap/hearsay without proof and sources on the internet. This is one that I would call crap but if you have a valid source I will eat my words

Posted by: BulkMeUp

1 month to digest? Are you serious? the raw beef just sits in your gut for a month watching the rest of the food pass by its doorstep?

Posted by: largepkg

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1 month to digest? Are you serious? the raw beef just sits in your gut for a month watching the rest of the food pass by its doorstep?

My poop suggest otherwise.

Posted by: BulkMeUp

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My poop suggest otherwise.

You inspected it?

Posted by: Gordo

That's like the old myth that eating chewing gum doesn't pass for 7 years. It's a parental myth designed to keep kids from swallowing gum:

http://www.livescience.com/bestimg/i....jpg&cat=myths

Meat would take 4-5 hours from what I've read cooked or not, the body doesn't differentiate between the two.

Not a perfect source but it's referenced well:
http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtbeef.html

Posted by: Gordo

I love steak rare....but not raw simply because you can't trust the restaurants preparation techniques. At home, different story.

http://www.canfightbac.org/cpcfse/en/safety/tip/

Posted by: largepkg

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Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

You inspected it?

Doesn't everyone?

Posted by: PWGriffin

I was actually kidding.....sigh...my sarcasm is subtle like ninja.

Posted by: largepkg

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

I was actually kidding.....sigh...my sarcasm is subtle like ninja.

Posted by: BulkMeUp

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Originally Posted by largepkg

Doesn't everyone?

I dont think everyone wants to do a 'corn count'

Posted by: obz

Well I certainly would like to thank everyone for the uh... 'colourful' responses.

I won't worry about raw and cooked red meat in the same month, or even day for that matter, but I will make sure to use my favourite clean organic butcher.

Have fun with your inspections guys.......

Posted by: fafard

hey obz,

i was born in germany and my mom and i would really have a treat when she brought home fresh ground beef, not sure if it's a cultural thing or not because my american dad would get grossed out watching us. we would ball up some fresh hamburg, sprinkle some salt and pepper on it and go to town. i'm sure if i hadn't been exposed to this as a kid i would vomit too if i saw it. we've never so much as had a bellyache other than maybe eating too much. i'm 48 so most of this was in the 'old days' before they had strict regulation of food preparation, grinding only one type of meat per grinder, etc. for example, you would never want to eat raw ground beef if the grinder was just used for pork or chicken. now a days, the health dept really watches over the local supermarkets and i'm even more at ease about the contamination issue, companies are so liability concerned it isn't worth the risk for them to bend the rules, even employees could sue them for making them do something unsafe. ever watch them prepare meats at costco or sams where they are working behind glass so you can watch everything they do? they follow the rules to the 'T' and everything is very sanitary. it's been awhile since i've had any and just talking about it makes me want to run out to the grocery store. i'm sure you read the previous links to the urban legends or whatever you call it, that even makes me more comfortable with my 'strange' food craving. i can only say that i understand where you're coming from, if it doesn't gross you out then it's a very enjoyable treat and it's healthy to boot (not being cooked).

don.

ps. that was nonsense about not eating raw or cooked meat for a month apart. it wouldn't even matter if it was in the same meal. ever heard of a medium rare steak, cooked on the outside and raw (but warm, sometimes cold) in the middle? that's in one meal, the way i like them and i'm still kickin.

pss. the wife also gets grossed out when i do this, thinks i'm crazy but that's only because she almost get's sick just thinking about it. i can't even get her to try a tiny little bit but then again, it took 5 years before she could eat a medium rare steak.

Posted by: fafard

another reason to eat foods uncooked or just warmed up if possible is the destruction of vitamins and minerals, etc:

Creatine can be found in dairy products as well as raw meat and fish. However, once the meat or fish is cooked, the Creatine levels decrease. For strict vegetarians and vegans this is an essential supplement since their diets provide them with very little Creatine intakes.

Bodybuilding and Athletic Supplementation Description

Lower doses of Creatine (1-10 g) have a maximum concentration time of less than two hours compared to higher doses (above 10 g). The higher the dose, the more time it will take to reach the maximum level which you desire, generally over 3 hours.

When Creatine is used on a short-term basis (aka loading) at 15-25 g for a 5 day time period, the muscle Creatine content is increased by 15-30%. After this loading period, a dose of 2-5 g daily will keep the Creatine levels elevated. Rather than the 5 day period of loading, one can also achieve the same with a 3 g serving per day for a 28 day period. There is however a limit of the amount of Creatine one can have in the body (approximately 160 mmol per kg of dry muscle mass). Consuming high amounts of Creatine after loading (15 g and more), will not increase the Creatine content and is not necessary.

great info on creatine here:
http://proteinfactory.com/store/prod...products_id=66

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