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Posted by: the nut

Associated Press Top 25

No. School Record Points Prev
1 Ohio State 12-0 1625 1
2 Michigan 11-1 1502 2
3 Southern California 9-1 1493 4
4 Florida 10-1 1451 3
5 Arkansas 10-1 1365 5
6 Notre Dame 10-1 1307 6
7 West Virginia 9-1 1144 8
8 Louisville 9-1 1078 10
9 LSU 9-2 1075 9
10 Wisconsin 11-1 1049 12
11 Texas 9-2 1028 11
12 Boise State 11-0 878 13
13 Oklahoma 9-2 856 16
14 Auburn 10-2 822 15
15 Rutgers 9-1 736 7
16 Georgia Tech 9-2 667 18
17 Virginia Tech 9-2 583 19
18 Boston College 9-2 516 20
19 Tennessee 8-3 404 22
20 Wake Forest 9-2 355 14
21 Brigham Young 9-2 325 23
22 California 8-3 302 17
23 Nebraska 8-3 258 24
24 Clemson 8-3 122 25
25 Hawaii 9-2 89 _

Others Receiving Votes: Maryland 55, TCU 16, Texas A&M 13, Penn St. 6, Georgia 3, Arizona 1, Oregon St. 1.

Posted by: the nut

Coaches Poll

No. School Record Points Prev
1 Ohio State 12-0 1575 1
2 Southern California 9-1 1444 4
3 Michigan 11-1 1428 2
4 Florida 10-1 1407 3
5 Arkansas 10-1 1302 6
6 Notre Dame 10-1 1285 5
7 West Virginia 9-1 1151 7
8 LSU 9-2 1081 9
9 Wisconsin 11-1 1053 10
10 Texas 9-2 994 11
11 Louisville 9-1 944 12
12 Boise State 11-0 862 13
13 Auburn 10-2 825 15
14 Oklahoma 9-2 795 16
15 Georgia Tech 9-2 655 18
16 Rutgers 9-1 641 8
17 Virginia Tech 9-2 561 19
18 Boston College 9-2 540 20
19 Nebraska 8-3 353 22
20 Wake Forest 9-2 343 14
21 Tennessee 8-3 326 23
22 California 8-3 265 17
23 Brigham Young 9-2 256 24
24 Clemson 8-3 174 25
25 Hawaii 9-2 97 NR

Others Receiving Votes: Maryland 52; Texas A&M 27; TCU 16; Houston 13; Oregon State 3; Georgia 2; Penn State 2; Arizona 1; Purdue 1; Texas Tech 1.

Posted by: the nut

Harris Poll

No. School Record Points Prev
1 Ohio State 12-0 2850 1
2 Southern California 9-1 2621 3
3 Michigan 11-1 2600 2
4 Florida 10-1 2531 4
5 Notre Dame 10-1 2347 5
6 Arkansas 10-1 2345 6
7 West Virginia 9-1 2051 8
8 LSU 9-2 1889 9
9 Wisconsin 11-1 1888 11
10 Louisville 9-1 1857 10
11 Texas 9-2 1731 12
12 Boise State 11-0 1609 13
13 Auburn 10-2 1449 15
14 Oklahoma 9-2 1404 16
15 Rutgers 9-1 1270 7
16 Georgia Tech 9-2 1157 18
17 Virginia Tech 9-2 1049 19
18 Boston College 9-2 927 20
19 Tennessee 8-3 675 22
20 Wake Forest 9-2 605 14
21 Brigham Young 9-2 565 24
22 Nebraska 8-3 520 23
23 California 8-3 512 17
24 Clemson 8-3 215 NR
25 Hawaii 9-2 171 NR

Others Receiving Votes: Maryland 93; TCU 44; Texas A&M 41; Houston 11; Penn State 10; Arizona 6; Oregon 3; Navy 1; Nevada 1; Ohio 1; Rice 1.

Posted by: the nut

Bowl Championship Series Standings

BCS Rank Team Previous Rank BCS Average
1 Ohio State 1 1.0000
2 Michigan 2 0.9263
3 Southern California 3 0.9188
4 Florida 4 0.8838
5 Notre Dame 5 0.8198
6 Arkansas 7 0.8065
7 West Virginia 8 0.7168
8 Wisconsin 9 0.6803
9 Louisville 0 0.6770
10 LSU 11 0.6431
11 Boise State 12 0.5640
12 Auburn 14 0.5341
13 Texas 13 0.5328
14 Rutgers 6 0.4809
15 Oklahoma 17 0.4225
16 Georgia Tech 18 0.3906
17 Virginia Tech 21 0.3581
18 Boston College 20 0.3260
19 California 15 0.2726
20 Tennessee 22 0.2579
21 Wake Forest 16 0.1967
22 Nebraska 23 0.1455
23 Brigham Young 25 0.1269
24 Clemson NR 0.0920
25 Penn State NR 0.0649

Posted by: the nut

WEEK 13

Tuesday, Nov. 21
Bowling Green @ Toledo ESPN2 7:00 pm

Thursday, Nov. 23
Tuskegee @ Alabama State 2:00 pm
Boston College @ Miami (Fla.) ESPN 7:30 pm

Friday, Nov. 24
Northern Illinois @ Eastern Michigan 11:00 am
Kent State @ Ball State 12:00 pm
Ohio @ Miami (Ohio) ESPNU 12:00 pm
Texas A&M @ Texas ABC 12:00 pm
Central Michigan @ Buffalo 1:00 pm
LSU @ Arkansas CBS 2:30 pm
Tulane @ Tulsa 3:00 pm
Colorado @ Nebraska ABC 3:30 pm
Oregon @ Oregon State 3:30 pm
Western Michigan @ Akron 3:30 pm
Air Force @ UNLV 7:00 pm
Fresno State @ Louisiana Tech ESPN2 9:00 pm

Saturday, Nov. 25
Cincinnati @ Connecticut 12:00 pm
Florida @ Florida State 12:00 pm
Kansas @ Missouri ABC 12:00 pm
Lafayette @ Massachusetts 12:00 pm
North Carolina @ Duke 12:00 pm
South Carolina @ Clemson 12:00 pm
South Florida @ West Virginia 12:00 pm
Syracuse @ Rutgers 12:00 pm
UAB @ Central Florida 12:00 pm
Virginia @ Virginia Tech 12:00 pm
Kentucky @ Tennessee 12:30 pm
New Hampshire @ Hampton 1:00 pm
Grambling @ Southern 2:00 pm
Illinois State @ Eastern Illinois 2:00 pm
McNeese State @ Montana 2:05 pm
Oklahoma @ Oklahoma State 2:30 pm
San Diego State @ New Mexico 2:30 pm
Tennessee-Martin @ Southern Illinois 2:30 pm
Southern Methodist @ Rice 3:00 pm
New Mexico State @ Utah State 3:05 pm
Brigham Young @ Utah 3:30 pm
Coastal Carolina @ Appalachian State 3:30 pm
Georgia Tech @ Georgia 3:30 pm
Louisville @ Pittsburgh 3:30 pm
Troy @ Middle Tennessee 3:30 pm
Boise State @ Nevada 4:00 pm
San Diego @ UC Davis 4:05 pm
Arkansas State @ La.-Lafayette 5:00 pm
San Jose State @ Idaho 5:05 pm
Arizona State @ Arizona 6:00 pm
East Carolina @ North Carolina State 7:00 pm
Florida International @ Florida Atlantic 7:00 pm
North Texas @ Louisiana-Monroe 7:00 pm
TCU @ Colorado State 7:00 pm
James Madison @ Youngstown State 7:30 pm
Marshall @ Southern Mississippi 7:30 pm
Wake Forest @ Maryland 7:45 pm
Notre Dame @ Southern California ABC 8:00 pm
Memphis @ Texas-El Paso 9:00 pm
Purdue @ Hawaii 11:05 pm
Mississippi State @ Mississippi TBD

Possible BCS Implications

Posted by: the nut

This is gonna be a great end to the season and interesting BCS

The BCS is Still up in the air. All the following teams are still alive for a BCS automatic berth :

ACC _ Georgia Tech, BC, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech
Big East _ Rutgers, Louisville, West Virginia
Big Ten _ Ohio State (In championship game)
Big 12 _ Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas
PAC 10 _ USC (Guaranteed at least Rose Bowl, possibly Championship Game)
SEC _ Florida, Arkansas, LSU

Teams alive for the 4 at large Bids: Michigan (in already); ND (in already); Boise State; SEC championship game loser: Arkansas, Florida, or LSU; WVU and Wisconsin (probably will be the best 2 teams left out).

If everything goes as planned and favorites win out, this what we are looking at:

BCS title game: Ohio State vs. USC
Fiesta: Texas vs. Boise State
Rose: Michigan vs. LSU/Oklahoma (whomever has a better showing in loss)
Sugar: Florida vs. Notre Dame
Orange: Louisville vs. Georgia Tech.

Posted by: Malley

Who did USC lose to?

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Who did USC lose to?

Oregon State

Posted by: Malley

Wow its tough to give USC the number 2 spot after losing to a team like that. And it would be hard to bump Michigan down because they did lose to a #1 team. Oh well only time will tell.

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Wow its tough to give USC the number 2 spot after losing to a team like that. And it would be hard to bump Michigan down because they did lose to a #1 team. Oh well only time will tell.

In college football, unless your undefeated, the pollsters look at each teams individual body of work. If they win out, thats wins over Arkansas, Nebraska, Cal, ND, and UCLA. Much more impressive than Michigan who's quality wins are ND, Wisconsin, and Penn State.

Posted by: Malley

Yeah I know, but I would think since there are so few loses with both teams they would just check out who they lost to, but yeah I know what you mean. I have never liked the BCS, but you cant make college kids play in a playoff. Just makes their season to long and its not like they get paid for it. Hell thats an extra 4-6 games. There would be alot more injuries.

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Yeah I know, but I would think since there are so few loses with both teams they would just check out who they lost to, but yeah I know what you mean. I have never liked the BCS, but you cant make college kids play in a playoff. Just makes their season to long and its not like they get paid for it. Hell thats an extra 4-6 games. There would be alot more injuries.

Won't happen, college finals are right in the middle of all that.

People, other than Michigan fans, don't like the idea that Michigan lost to them already. A lot of AP voters have already said that if Michigan wins there is a good chance of a split national championship. Which kinda sucks.

Posted by: Malley

Yeah, but it would make sense.

Posted by: the nut

Arkansas falls.

Posted by: goandykid

They played tonight?

Posted by: the nut

Late afternoon yesterday, LSU 31 - Ark 26 in Arkansas. SEC football is incredible.

Texas lost to Tex A&M 12-7... They need Oklahoma to lose to Oklahoma State today, to get in Big 12 Championship Game.

Will hurt USC & Florida in the computer polls, but won't effect them in human polls. Gonna make it tough for Florida, they will have to destory Arkansas in SEC championship game to have a shot.

There's talk that if USC beats ND tonight, the Rose Bowl wants a Michigan V ND rematch. It'll be ND's first time in the Rose Bowl in 81 years! I personally would like to see ND play in the Rose Bowl, but not against Michigan again. I'd rather see them play the SEC (Florida or Arkansas), Big 12 (Nebraska, Oklahoma, or Texas), or Louisville.

What a huge game for both teams tonight! Easily the best inter-sectional rivalry in college football, and probably second overall to only the Michigan v OSU border rivalry. Everybody knows USC is playing for a National Championship berth. ND is playing for a BCS position (most likely in already) and revenge from last years "Bush Push". Also USC has not lost at home since 2001 and this ND senior class would be the first to graduate without beating USC in the 72 year history of the rivalry. And don't count Quinn out of the Heisman race just yet. Numbers wise he's right there, just depends on how the voters decide to vote this year, wins or numbers.

Posted by: the nut

Schiano at top of list
UM has strong interest in former Hurricanes defensive coordinator Greg Schiano -- now head coach at Rutgers -- but he has been noncommittal about his interest.
BY BARRY JACKSON
bjackson@MiamiHerald.com

MIKE DERER/AP
COVETED:Greg Schiano is earning $1.1 million this season with Rutgers, and indications are UM is prepared to top that. With president Donna Shalala vowing to offer a ''competitive'' salary, the University of Miami on Friday began the search to fill what athletic director Paul Dee calls ''the best'' coaching job in the country.

Though Dee did not comment on any candidates, Rutgers coach Greg Schiano has emerged as a top target, according to a university official. But it remains unclear whether Schiano would accept an offer to return to UM, where he was defensive coordinator in 1999 and 2000.

Even one official close to Schiano said Friday he wasn't sure what Schiano would ultimately do, aware Schiano enjoyed his experience at UM but noting he and his family are happy in New Jersey, where he grew up. Schiano is earning $1.1 million this season, and indications are UM is prepared to top that. Rutgers, though, is expected to give him a raise to try to keep him. Schiano's buyout is $250,000.

He's appealing to UM not only because of his success at Rutgers -- the Scarlet Knights are 9-1 and ranked 15th by The Associated Press -- but also because of his history with the UM program and his deep contacts in South Florida high schools, where Rutgers recruits heavily.

Schiano, who has built a moribund Rutgers program into a Bowl Championship Series game contender, did not comment about the UM job Friday and never has publicly ruled out taking the position.

SHANNON TO INTERVIEW

Though Schiano appears to be the front-runner if he wants the job, UM defensive coordinator Randy Shannon also will receive strong consideration, according to two officials who are in close contact with the administration.

Shannon is well-regarded internally as a coach and recruiter.

Dee said Shannon will be a candidate and will be interviewed. Shannon, a former UM linebacker, has never been a head coach but has served as UM's defensive coordinator for the past six seasons after three years on the Dolphins' staff, including one as linebackers coach. Dee said previous head-coaching experience is ''important'' but not a prerequisite.

Dee, who will be heavily involved in the search, said former Big Eight commissioner Chuck Neinas will be a consultant, or a head-hunter, through the process.

Neinas, who was executive director of the College Football Association, assisted North Carolina before Butch Davis was recently hired.

If Schiano and Shannon don't end up with the job, other potential options would include Texas Tech's Mike Leach, Arkansas' Houston Nutt, West Virginia's Rich Rodriguez, Tulsa's Steve Kragthorpe and Texas Christian's Gary Patterson. Georgia coach Mark Richt, a former UM quarterback, and Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville, a former UM assistant, told ESPN they are not interested in the job. Steve Spurrier, responding to Internet reports, said Sunday he will remain at South Carolina.

New candidates could emerge after UM consults with Neinas and others. Shalala said in a statement that the school will ''consult widely with our alumni, including athletes now or formerly in the NFL,'' in addition to UM supporters, ACC commissioner John Swofford and other conference commissioners.

Of the timetable, Dee said, ``Our hope would be to have a coach as soon as practicable. But given the circumstances of people's games and when they might be available, bowl games and the like, it might be a little longer than we would otherwise have taken.''

UM officials indicated the school would not be restricted financially in its search, even though it must pay Coker nearly $3 million as part of a termination clause built into his contract.

''The university is prepared to use its resources in an appropriate way to make sure we get the right head coach,'' Dee said.

Several UM officials said they would be surprised if UM hires Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez as coach, although he has a close relationship with Shalala and was pursued when Davis left UM. Alvarez, who was head coach at Wisconsin under Shalala, told ESPN previously he would ''never say never'' to a return to coaching.

MUST BE A RECRUITER

In a statement delivered to media and UM students, Shalala said Miami intends to ``recruit a great coach. We are looking for an experienced and successful coach of the highest integrity who understands and loves the Miami tradition of success and football family.''

Shalala said the new coach ''must be a great recruiter, of high character, committed to winning championships, academic success, and to the University community.'' She also wants a coach ''who is well-organized, inspirational and can attract a first-rate staff'' and has the ``personal qualities to be actively engaged with our community, alumni, and team supporters.''

Shalala also announced she has directed Sergio Gonzalez, UM's vice president/advancement and communication, to begin a six-month ``fund-raising sprint to secure commitments from our supporters/donors to finance competitive coaching contracts and build and renovate first-class facilities.''

Though the UM coaching job is high-pressure, Dee said the position ``is as fine a job as you can have. This is not a job for the feeble. This is a job for someone that's excited by college football.

''It takes a unique individual. This is not a job for somebody that's a builder,'' Dee said. ``This is a job for somebody that's out front and wants to be at the top and isn't frightened away by the expectations.''

Posted by: the nut

Any predictions for the game tonight? USC is - 8; over is 57.

I'm going Notre Dame on the field, under. (and that's completely unbiased

)

Posted by: goandykid

I'll sure be cheering for ND, but their D and Quinn looked like crap against the one good team theyve played so far...

Posted by: JerseyDevil

That would suck major ass if Schiano goes to UM. Reminds me a bit of when Gary Barnett took lowly Northwestern to the Big Ten title, and was then hired away by Colorado.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

GO TROJANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

USC by 10

Posted by: goandykid

Yea but Schiano may want to cash in before next season. A rutgers repeat performance isnt likely

Posted by: goandykid

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

GO TROJANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

USC by 10

Bandwagon much

Posted by: goandykid

Regardless though, USC has been playing like shit the past month. Cal was their one decent game recently, but then again Cal got absolutely housed by Tenn earlier in the season. Tenn now has 3 losses and almost lost another 3 times, including today at Kentucky.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:

Originally Posted by goandykid

Bandwagon much

Bandwagon? Yeah right. I could care less about the LA glamour boys.

I'm pulling for them since I don't think Michigan should be in the title game, cuz OSU already beat them! The only people in the country who want to see a OSU/Michigan rematch are Michigan fans.

I think a OSU/USC matchup would make an awesome title game.

GO BUCKEYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: goandykid

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Oh phew, I sensed bias for a second.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

If USC wins they are clearly deserving to go to the title game... With a win tonight they will have 7 wins against winning teams... most in the country by 2 (ND is 2nd with 5). Wins over Arkansas, Nebraska, Cal, and ND is a great season this year.

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by goandykid

Regardless though, USC has been playing like shit the past month. Cal was their one decent game recently, but then again Cal got absolutely housed by Tenn earlier in the season. Tenn now has 3 losses and almost lost another 3 times, including today at Kentucky.

This msg is paid for by Fans of Michigan '06.

Posted by: goandykid

Did I exaggerate?

Posted by: P-funk

I want ND to win tonight so that Michigan and OSU play again in the title mach. Those are the two best teams in college football this year IMO. That game could have gone either way last week, and it was one of the best I have seen in awhile. I would love to see a rematch.

Posted by: goandykid

Seconded. Plus USC lost to a mediocre team, and Michigan only lost by 3 to the top ranked in the country.

Posted by: the nut

It's not looking good for you guys so far!

Posted by: goandykid

You too nut, youre a ND fan.

How about the Quinn 60 yard romp. Definitely didn't mistake him for Vick or anything but he got the job done.

Posted by: goandykid

Blocked punt, td, now an int

ND is stepping up

Posted by: the nut

Is it me, or do Parcells and Weiss get off on going for it on 4th down?

Posted by: goandykid

Neither have a kicking game

Posted by: P-funk

I don't think ND is going to pull it out. They have been disappointing as hell this season. They didn't win when big when they should have, the played catch up a lot and had to pull out 4th quarter come from behind wins, they played close games. they just seem to be mediocre this entire season. I don't see Quinn being a very good NFL QB. I see him being soft, like Tim Couch was, and chocking when it comes game time.

Posted by: goandykid

Yea Quinn hasn't been very good against advanced defenses.

17-28, quarter and a hlaf left. A lot of missed opportunities so far from ND

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

I don't think ND is going to pull it out. They have been disappointing as hell this season. They didn't win when big when they should have, the played catch up a lot and had to pull out 4th quarter come from behind wins, they played close games. they just seem to be mediocre this entire season. I don't see Quinn being a very good NFL QB. I see him being soft, like Tim Couch was, and chocking when it comes game time.

I completely disagree with that. He's the only reason that they don't have five losses right now. ND had no first half defense the entire year. When Weiss opened up the offense in second halfs to come back his numbers were huge. And anytime Brady Quinn had a chance to drive the field to win a game he did. Did you see how many balls his receivers dropped tonight? And Weiss put ND in hole tonight, passing up on field goals and not punting around mid field in the first half is ridiculous. You can't give this team a short field or they'll kill you.

And I don't think USC is the 2nd best team in the country. I think come January they will be holding up the Crystal Ball, not Ohio State.

Posted by: goandykid

Michigan beat ND better. haha

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

Originally Posted by the nut

I just don't see Quinn handeling the NFL very well. Yea, he plays well in college. But, whenever he is faced with a fast defense, he seems to lose it a little bit. I think the NFL defenses are going to eat him alive. We shall see though. he will definetly go in the 1st round, whether he gets to play next year or not will be another story.

OSU vs. USC should be a good game.

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

I see him being an Eli manning type in NFL, he will lose some games for you and win some games for you. He has lost some big games for ND in his career. He's pretty much in a must win situation for ND in this years BCS game, or his legacy will be great numbers, but couldn't win the big game. It's tough, ND just dosen't have the talent to compete with Texas, OSU, and USC, right now. We'll see, once Weis's recruits start playing, if that will change. I was suprised to see #1 QB Jimmy Clausen committed to ND, right out of Pete Carroll's backyard. That was huge. They say he's an Elway style QB. Clausen committing could influence some other top recruits' decisions.

Posted by: the nut

It will be a great game, but imagine how fired up UCLA is gonna be next week!Probably the two best programs of the decade so far. How good is Pete Carroll? Why would he ever leave USC for NFL?

And, does anyone elose think that the Big Ten needs a championship game?

Posted by: ANCAM

GOO RUTGERS!!!

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

Originally Posted by the nut

It will be a great game, but imagine how fired up UCLA is gonna be next week!Probably the two best programs of the decade so far. How good is Pete Carroll? Why would he ever leave USC for NFL?

And, does anyone elose think that the Big Ten needs a championship game?

As far as I'm concerned, the big 10 championship game was last week. Is there any other teams more worthy than Mich. and OSU?

But yes, I agree, they should have a championship game every year.

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

As far as I'm concerned, the big 10 championship game was last week. Is there any other teams more worthy than Mich. and OSU?

But yes, I agree, they should have a championship game every year.

You're right, it worked out that way this year. That is why I felt Michigan didn't deserve a bid to the championship game. I think it should be the 2 best conference champions that play each other for the title. Wisconsin had a good year. They played Michigan tough at the big house, but didn't get a shot at the Buckeyes.

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

Originally Posted by the nut

Your right, it worked out that way this year. That is why I felt Michigan didn't deserve a bid to the championship game. I think it should be the 2 best conference champions that play each other for the title. Wisconsin had a good year. They played Michigan tough at the big house, but didn't get a shot at the Buckeyes.

yea, but how do you decide which are the two best confrences?

I mean, if Florida wins next week.....should they not get a shot? What makes USC winning next week any better than florida?

I think there needs to be a playoff system. the winners of each confrence get into a play off and go for it. I mean, there is usually such a big break until the bowl games start (in jan....the seasons end in the last weekend in Nov). Why not a play off through dec. and then a championship game between the tw last standing.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Agree some sort of playoff system Top 8 elimination, most teams drop off a little after the 8 spot anyway.

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Agree some sort of playoff system Top 8 elimination, most teams drop off a little after the 8 spot anyway.

I'm down with that. Give the ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big Twelve, PAC 10, and SEC champions automatic bids... and 2 at large bids.

They should cut that extra game that they added this year and play the conference championship games Thanksgiving weekend. The rest of the teams can even play the traditional bowl games around New Year's, provided they are not one of the 2 teams playing for the title. Bowls would have to give out bids on a conditional basis(I think that's the biggest thing hurting a playoff system.).

It will probably never happen, but we can dream!

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

yea, but how do you decide which are the two best confrences?

I mean, if Florida wins next week.....should they not get a shot? What makes USC winning next week any better than florida?

I've said all year I felt the SEC is the best conference by a good margain. I think Florida (provided they win the SEC championship game) is just as deserving as USC to be in that game. However, they're probably more like the 4th or 5th best team in the country.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Welp the BCS is out USC is number 2, not that it is a suprise.

Posted by: the nut

Bowl Championship Series Standings

Avg-HarrisRank-HarrisVote-Harris%-CoachRank-CoachVote-Coaches-CPU%
1 Ohio State 1.000 1 2850 1.000 1 1575 1.000 1.000
2 Southern Cal. .9460 2 2711 .9512 2 1491 .9467 .940
3 Michigan .9216 3 2614 .9172 3 1445 .9175 .930
4 Florida .8897 4 2528 .8870 4 1405 .8921 .890
5 LSU .8106 5 2294 .8049 5 1255 .7968 .830
6 Louisville .7618 7 2175 .7632 7 1169 .7422 .780
7 Wisconsin .7096 6 2176 .7635 6 1221 .7752 .590
8 Boise State .6744 9 1872 .6568 9 1018 .6463 .720
9 Arkansas .6616 8 1890 .6632 8 1042 .6616 .660
10 Notre Dame .6262 10 1765 .6193 12 928 .5892 .670

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Welp the BCS is out USC is number 2, not that it is a suprise.

How about ND at #10, is that convenient or what. It's all about money!

Posted by: goandykid

Quote:

Originally Posted by the nut

You're right, it worked out that way this year. That is why I felt Michigan didn't deserve a bid to the championship game. I think it should be the 2 best conference champions that play each other for the title. Wisconsin had a good year. They played Michigan tough at the big house, but didn't get a shot at the Buckeyes.

No they didnt...it was 27-13 and hart and manningham didnt play a snap in the 4th

Posted by: goandykid

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

As far as I'm concerned, the big 10 championship game was last week. Is there any other teams more worthy than Mich. and OSU?

But yes, I agree, they should have a championship game every year.

OSU and UM play at the end of every season, and it's between them 9 times out of 10. It essentially is the championship game.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Quote:

Originally Posted by goandykid

OSU and UM play at the end of every season, and it's between them 9 times out of 10. It essentially is the championship game.

Go check the last 5 years in the Big Ten conference.

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by goandykid

OSU and UM play at the end of every season, and it's between them 9 times out of 10. It essentially is the championship game.

That's not true at all.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Oh how we forget when Penn St. was the dominant force in the Big Ten, Or even a few years ago when Iowa was a force. Michigan St. puts some decent teams together.

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Oh how we forget when Penn St. was the dominant force in the Big Ten, Or even a few years ago when Iowa was a force. Michigan St. puts some decent teams together.

1998 Michigan, Ohio State and Wisconsin
1999 Wisconsin
2000 Michigan, Northwestern and Purdue
2001 Illinois
2002 Iowa and Ohio State*
2003 Michigan
2004 Iowa and Michigan
2005 Ohio State and Penn State
2006 Ohio State

Posted by: IainDaniel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ball_champions

Posted by: IainDaniel

Quote:

Originally Posted by the nut

How about ND at #10, is that convenient or what. It's all about money!

So pretty much ND is guarenteed a BCS games, what maybe the sugar bowl?

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by goandykid

No they didnt...it was 27-13 and hart and manningham didnt play a snap in the 4th

Tied at half, Michigan was up 3 or 4 going into fourth. They played them tough in my book.

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

So pretty much ND is guarenteed a BCS games, what maybe the sugar bowl?

Rose Bowl wants them bad!

EDIT: ND is only gauranteed a BCS game if they finish in top 8, there's other factors where they could be BCS top ten and not get in. But, this year, yes they're in.

Posted by: IainDaniel

I wouldn't mind seeing ND and Michigan again.

Posted by: the nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

I wouldn't mind seeing ND and Michigan again.

I would, I don't know if I could listen to my Michigan buddies if they beat us twice in one year!

Posted by: goandykid

Don't forget you're looking at those results AFTER the game itself, I'd like to see the loser of that game's overall record. Still 7 of the 9 years it's either OSU or Michigan or shared.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by the nut

I would, I don't know if I could listen to my Michigan buddies if they beat us twice in one year!

Well you could hope they play in the sugar bowl, and play the winner of the SEC. That way if you win you know you could have been a number four team in the country.

Posted by: goandykid

ND and Michigan again????? Don't you guys remember the curb stomping earlier? When UM played ND it made ND v USC look competitive.

Posted by: the nut

The BCS is ...

The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) is a five-game arrangement for post-season college football that is designed to match the two top-rated teams in a national championship game and to create exciting and competitive matchups between eight other highly regarded teams in four other games.

The bowl games participating are the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, FedEx Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl, Allstate Sugar Bowl and the BCS National Championship Game which will be played each year at one of the bowl sites.

The BCS is managed by the commissioners of the 11 NCAA Division I-A conferences, the director of athletics at the University of Notre Dame, and representatives of the bowl organizations. The conferences are Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, Pacific 10, Southeastern and Western Athletic.

The conference commissioners and the Notre Dame athletics director make decisions regarding all BCS issues, in consultation with an athletics directors advisory group and subject to the approval of a presidential oversight committee whose members represent all 117 Division 1-A programs.

The five BCS games are part of the overall bowl structure. All bowl games provide meaningful season-ending opportunities to teams.

As one conference commissioner said, "the celebration that occurs among the student-athletes, coaching staff and fans at the end of each bowl games is an indication of the importance of all bowl games."

The BCS places great premium on the regular season of college football. Football weekends are an important ingredient in the overall college experience-going well beyond simply what occurs in the athletics department. A significant amount of the revenue that supports all athletic programs is generated by regular-season football. And so it is of great importance that the regular season remains strong and vibrant.

The top two teams were matched in bowl games infrequently before the BCS, when conferences were contractually obligated to certain games and there was no flexibility to attempt to match the top teams.

The 2006 regular season (2007 bowl games) is the first year of a television agreement with Fox Sports. ABC has an agreement to continue to televise the Rose Bowl through 2014.
Schedule of Games, January 2007

Access for teams without automatic berths will expand significantly beginning with the 2006 regular season, when the fifth game is added to the BCS structure. Four at-large berths will be available, as opposed to the previous two. The schedule for January, 2007, is as follows:

January 1 - Fiesta Bowl
January 1 - Rose Bowl
January 2 - Orange Bowl
January 3 - Sugar Bowl
January 8 - BCS National Championship Game (Phoenix)

Automatic qualification

1. The top two teams in the final BCS Standings will play in the national championship game.

2. The champions of the Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and Southeastern Conferences automatically qualify for BCS games each year.

3. One team from among the champions of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference automatically qualify for a BCS game if either: A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or, B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

4. Notre Dame will automatically qualify for a BCS bowl if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.

5. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 4, and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 3 in the final BCS Standings, that team shall become an automatic qualifier.

6. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 5, and if Step No. 5 has not been applied and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 4 in the final BCS Standings, that team shall become an automatic qualifier.

7. If any slots remain unfilled after the placement of all teams qualifying for an automatic berth, then the bowls shall choose their participants from the "pool of eligible teams" (see below.)

Pool of Eligible Teams

If berths are available after the automatic qualifiers have been identified, then the bowls shall select at-large participants from the "pool of eligible teams," which shall include any Division I-A team that is bowl-eligible and meets the following requirements:
A. Has won at least nine regular-season games, not including exempted games, and
B. Is among the top 14 teams in the final BCS Standings

The BCS is Working

The BCS is succeeding. The nation's No. 1 and No. 2 teams met only eight times in bowl games in the 57 seasons between 1936 and 1992, when the "bowl coalition" (a predecessor of the BCS) was created. No. 1 and No. 2 have met eight times in the 15 years since 1992. In the eight-year history of the BCS, the AP's No. 1 and No. 2 have met five times.

The BCS is not ...

It is not a playoff system. It is nothing more than attempt to match the No. 1 and No. 2 teams within the bowl system and to create exciting matchups in four other bowl games.

It is also not an exclusive system that rewards only a few. The University of Utah demonstrated in 2005 that a team from a conference without an annual automatic berth can have access to a BCS bowl game. The selection process has been further adjusted to allow even more such access in the future.
Revenue

Before the BCS was created, conferences without automatic berths in the "major" bowl games received no revenue from those games. In the first eight years of the BCS system, more than $50 million was distributed to conferences that do not have an annual automatic berth in the system.

Economic Impact

The total economic impact in the host cities from the five BCS games in January, 2007, is estimated at more than $1.2 billion.

A word about a playoff

The NCAA membership has not proposed the creation of a playoff.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by goandykid

ND and Michigan again????? Don't you guys remember the curb stomping earlier? When UM played ND it made ND v USC look competitive.

I do!

Posted by: goandykid

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