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Posted by: min0 lee

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NEW YORK (AP) -- Mark McGwire, Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr. headline the first-time candidates on the 2007 baseball writers' Hall of Fame ballot released Monday, sure to spark debate on Big Mac's place in history as the steroid era comes under renewed scrutiny.

Jose Canseco, whose book last year led to a congressional hearing on steroid use in baseball, also is on the ballot for the first time. Canseco said he used steroids along with McGwire when they were teammates.
McGwire denied using illegal performance-enhancing substances, but when he appeared before a congressional committee, he evaded questions. "I'm not here to talk about the past," was his repeated response.

McGwire finished his career with 583 home runs, seventh in baseball history while Canseco, a former MVP, is 30th at 462. Dave Kingman, 34th with 442, has the most home runs for a player who has been on the Hall of Fame ballot and was not elected.

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Gwynn, an eight-time batting champion with San Diego, and Ripken, a two-time MVP with Baltimore, are considered likely to gain election on the first ballot. Ripken played in 2,632 consecutive games, breaking Lou Gehrig's record.

Bret Saberhagen, a two-time Cy Young Award winner, and former MVP Ken Caminiti also are among 17 players on the ballot for the first time along with Harold Baines, Dante Bichette, Bobby Bonilla, Scott Brosius, Jay Buhner, Eric Davis, Tony Fernandez, Wally Joyner, Paul O'Neill, Devon White and Bobby Witt.

Jim Rice, who was 53 votes short of election last year, heads the 15 holdovers. Rich Gossage finished one vote behind Rice.

Reporters who have been in the BBWAA for 10 or more consecutive years are eligible to vote, and the totals will be announced Jan. 9.

The complete ballot:
Harold Baines, Albert Belle, Dante Bichette, Bert Blyleven, Bobby Bonilla, Scott Brosius, Jay Buhner, Ken Caminiti, Jose Canseco, Dave Concepcion, Eric Davis, Andre Dawson, Tony Fernandez, Steve Garvey, Rich "Goose" Gossage, Tony Gwynn, Orel Hershiser, Tommy John, Wally Joyner, Don Mattingly, Mark McGwire, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Paul O'Neill, Dave Parker, Jim Rice, Cal Ripken Jr., Bret Saberhagen, Lee Smith, Alan Trammell, Devon White, Bobby Witt.

Posted by: min0 lee

I wouldn't vote for him on this ballot, I liked him as a player but not enough to wow me.

I personally think the Hall Of Fame has let too many average players voted in.

If Roger Maris doesn't belong in it niether does Mark.

Posted by: dg806

Dang good list!

Posted by: min0 lee

Harold Baines--no, but I would like to see him back ESPN.

Albert Belle--no, only hall of fame he belongs in is the hall of shame, or assholes.

Dante Bichette--who??

Bert Blyleven--hmm, was he ever on a winning team? it helps.

Bobby Bonilla--I already saw the Bronx.

Scott Brosius--no, if it were based on only playoff performances then yes.

Jay Buhner--no, I actually thought he was still playing.

Ken Caminiti--no

Jose Canseco--what a waste of talent

Dave Concepcion---no

Eric Davis--no

Andre Dawson--no, not enough

Tony Fernandez--no

Steve Garvey--no,I hate the Dodgers

Rich "Goose" Gossage-- if saberhagen is in so should he

Tony Gwynn--yes

Orel Hershiser-- hmmm--4 more years and yes.

Tommy John--no, but his bionic may get him in.

Wally Joyner--no

Don Mattingly--no. sorry Donnie, if only your back didn't give out you would have been a shoo-in.

Mark McGwire--hmmm....no, steriod issue will ruin it for him.

Jack Morris--hmmmm....yes. He doesn't get enough credit.

Dale Murphy--no, I thought he was awesome but then he just fizzled for no reason at all.

Paul O'Neill--no, he was a warrior though.

Dave Parker-- no, another 5 tool player who wasted his career. what an arm

Jim Rice--hmm.....yes, he would have been better appreciated in NY.

Cal Ripken Jr. --Yes, the Record and the fact he made some great clutch hits, and his commercials are funny.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by dg806

Dang good list!

I like it but I still think the Hall of Fame should be held at a higher level.

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I wouldn't vote for him on this ballot, I liked him as a player but not enough to wow me.

I personally think the Hall Of Fame has let too many average players voted in.

If Roger Maris doesn't belong in it niether does Mark.

I agree. I think they are making it easier and easier to get in each year. There are some players on that ballot that shouldn't even be on the ballot! cough canseco cough

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Harold Baines--no, but I would like to see him back ESPN.

Albert Belle--no, only hall of fame he belongs in is the hall of shame, or assholes. I liked Belle. But he is not a hall of famer. good player, yes...great. No!

Dante Bichette--who?? I don't think Bichette deserves it

Bert Blyleven--hmm, was he ever on a winning team? it helps. Wasn't he on the Twins when the won the World Series back in the 80s? Don't know if I would put him in. Undecided.

Bobby Bonilla--I already saw the Bronx. I don't know if he is a hall of famer either.

Scott Brosius--no, if it were based on only playoff performances then yes. No way

Jay Buhner--no, I actually thought he was still playing. No way!!

Ken Caminiti--no Nope

Jose Canseco--what a waste of talent Absolutely not!

Dave Concepcion---no nope

Eric Davis--no nope

Andre Dawson--no, not enough nope

Tony Fernandez--no nope

Steve Garvey--no,I hate the Dodgers. I could see Garvey going in. I think I would give him a vote.

Rich "Goose" Gossage-- if saberhagen is in so should he. I agree

Tony Gwynn--yes 100% hall of famer right here.

Orel Hershiser-- hmmm--4 more years and yes. I would put Anal Hershiser in. Great pitcher

Tommy John--no, but his bionic may get him in. Don't know. undecided

Wally Joyner--no nope

Don Mattingly--no. sorry Donnie, if only your back didn't give out you would have been a shoo-in. I would put Donny Baseball in.

Mark McGwire--hmmm....no, steriod issue will ruin it for him. tough call

Jack Morris--hmmmm....yes. He doesn't get enough credit. I thought he was good. Still undecided. Wouldn't be suprised or upset if he got the nod though.

Dale Murphy--no, I thought he was awesome but then he just fizzled for no reason at all. I would give Murph a vote.

Paul O'Neill--no, he was a warrior though. Good player. Not a hall of famer in my book. damn good player though.

Dave Parker-- no, another 5 tool player who wasted his career. what an arm
nope

Jim Rice--hmm.....yes, he would have been better appreciated in NY.

I think he was great. Despite holding the single season record for grounding into the most double plays (Which I think he still has). I would give him a vote.

Cal Ripken Jr. --Yes, the Record and the fact he made some great clutch hits, and his commercials are funny.
100%. Him and Gwynn are the two on this list that I say have to go.

my votes are in.

Posted by: IainDaniel

I agree with you guys for the most part about who should be in or not.

It is a joke now a days as for who should be in there, this used to be a place for the best of the best. Now it is just a mere publicity stunt by MLB to drum up ratings and dollars.

Posted by: IainDaniel

What the fuck is Tony Fernadez doing on there hahaha!

Yeah he was decent but no way a hall of famer, I remember watching him with the the Jays growing up. Ahh the good ole days.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

What the fuck is Tony Fernadez doing on there hahaha!

Yeah he was decent but no way a hall of famer, I remember watching him with the the Jays growing up. Ahh the good ole days.

Exactly, he was decent but not great.

Posted by: ReproMan

Harold Baines - nope
Albert Belle - nope
Dante Bichette - nope
Bert Blyleven - nope
Bobby Bonilla - not even close
Scott Brosius - nope
Jay Buhner - nope
Ken Caminiti - does it matter? still no.
Jose Canseco - unfortunately I have to say yes.
Dave Concepcion - nopers
Eric Davis - nope
Andre Dawson - eh, no.
Tony Fernandez - nope
Steve Garvey - hmmm, ok, yes.
Rich "Goose" Gossage - yes
Tony Gwynn - no doubt yes
Orel Hershiser - yes
Tommy John - nah
Wally Joyner - no
Don Mattingly - yes
Mark McGwire - I say yes.
Jack Morris - yeah why not
Dale Murphy - naw
Paul O'Neill - nope
Dave Parker - no
Jim Rice - yes
Cal Ripken Jr. - no question yes.

Posted by: P-funk

Just looked it up, Blyleven won a world series with the Pirates in '79 and then again with the Twins in '87.

If I remeber correctly, he has been on the ballot for a number of years and he always gets depressed about not getting voted in. I think they did a segment on him on ESPN Behind the Lines with Bob Ley and he talked about how much stress it gives him each year. It could have been someone else, but I swear it was him.

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Harold Baines - nope
Albert Belle - nope
Dante Bichette - nope
Bert Blyleven - nope
Bobby Bonilla - not even close
Scott Brosius - nope
Jay Buhner - nope
Ken Caminiti - does it matter? still no.
Jose Canseco - unfortunately I have to say yes.
Dave Concepcion - nopers
Eric Davis - nope
Andre Dawson - eh, no.
Tony Fernandez - nope
Steve Garvey - hmmm, ok, yes.
Rich "Goose" Gossage - yes
Tony Gwynn - no doubt yes
Orel Hershiser - yes
Tommy John - nah
Wally Joyner - no
Don Mattingly - yes
Mark McGwire - I say yes.
Jack Morris - yeah why not
Dale Murphy - naw
Paul O'Neill - nope
Dave Parker - no
Jim Rice - yes
Cal Ripken Jr. - no question yes.

Why would you give a yes to Canseco? He had a few great years in Oakland, he was the first player in the 40/40 club (40hrs. and 40 stolen bases in the same season), but he was a fucking bust after that. IMO, you need to be consistently good to be a hall of famer. It isn't about one record, or one or two good years. You have to be great for the entire time you played (sadly, this is why I wouldn't give Tiki Barber the nod to the NFL hall of fame either.).

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by P-funk

Just looked it up, Blyleven won a world series with the Pirates in '79 and then again with the Twins in '87.

If I remeber correctly, he has been on the ballot for a number of years and he always gets depressed about not getting voted in. I think they did a segment on him on ESPN Behind the Lines with Bob Ley and he talked about how much stress it gives him each year. It could have been someone else, but I swear it was him.

OK, now I remember.
He was a pretty good southpaw.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Just based on his HR's alone. Of course then I'd have to say yes to Dawson too, but at least Canseco was part of a championship club. Was Dawson with the Marlins when they won in 97? Baseball isn't really my cup of tea.

I'd like to see 2 or 3 more years out of Tiki but I wouldn't be upset if he made it.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

MLB should be standing behind McGwire, feeding him grapes. Baseball would still be in the shitter if it wasn't for that home run race. As much as baseball is coming down on the steroid scandal, it is the one thing that saved them from that strike.

Posted by: Double D

Harold Baines--no, not even close

Albert Belle--no, same as Baines

Dante Bichette--Was a great hitter for a few years, but not enough to get him in besdies he played in Colorado.

Bert Blyleven--Blah

Bobby Bonilla--Was a good players, but not good enough.

Scott Brosius--I cant believe hes even on there. Please.

Jay Buhner--Same as Brosius.

Ken Caminiti--Had what 2 good years!

Jose Canseco--Blew any chance he had.

Dave Concepcion---??

Eric Davis--Was a good player, but never great.

Andre Dawson--Hit 49 one year I do believe. He will get in evetually.

Tony Fernandez--Never saw him play

Steve Garvey--no one cares if you hate the Dodgers or not

Rich "Goose" Gossage-- Yes

Tony Gwynn--Hell yes!!!

Orel Hershiser-- Yes

Tommy John--Nope

Wally Joyner--no

Don Mattingly--Yes, he is the face of the Yankees.

Mark McGwire--He wouldve if not for the roids, but still maybe.

Jack Morris-He was a great pitcher, but not on this ballot.

Dale Murphy--Was the face of the Bravos, so maybe.

Paul O'Neill--Nope, but I liked his softball swing.

Dave Parker-- no

Jim Rice--Defenitly so!

Cal Ripken Jr. --Hes goin in for sure. I thought he was a little above average player, but the record gets him in for sure. Besdies hes one hell of a stand up guy! And theres not to many in this years ballot.

Posted by: Double D

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

MLB should be standing behind McGwire, feeding him grapes. Baseball would still be in the shitter if it wasn't for that home run race. As much as baseball is coming down on the steroid scandal, it is the one thing that saved them from that strike.

You are correct fine sir.

Posted by: goandykid

I grew up watching Cal, and it was a family event the night he broke the record. Great player, great guy too.

Posted by: bio-chem

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i must emphatically disagree here. to call mark mcguire average by any means is ridiculous. remember this guy hit 587 HR's not many can say that. steroids or no. this guy was expedcted to break the individual season mark even from his rookie year. remember how he hit 49 as a rookie? mark deserves to be in the hall and all those sport writters who hold the whole steroid thing against him are fools. steroids doesnt teach you how to hit a curve ball. and the season he broke the mark he was hitting a home run like every 7 swings or something like that. the guy is amazing and deserves to be in. whatever happened to inocent till proven guilty? how many other guys are in the hall who took steroids. steroids didnt turn baseball into a joke, baseball turned itself into a joke because of the way it handled and is handling steroids. does anyone not believe that from the 70's through the 90's they basically embraced it? and now they are acting shoked and appalled. what a load of crap.

Posted by: fufu

I know about 2 of those names.

Posted by: Brachiisaurus

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Cal Ripken Jr. --Yes, the Record and the fact he made some great clutch hits, and his commercials are funny.

I went to see his very last game....or one of his last.
It was the one he played in I think Dallas tx?
Or was it houston? I don't remember, but he did hit at least one Homer, so that was pretty cool.

Posted by: IainDaniel

If cheaters like Gaylord Perry are already in the hall, then there is no reason that Mark Mcgwire shouldn't be in there.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

Roger Maris was a better all around player, if Big Mac goes in so should Dave Kingman, Dave Parker, Conseco....

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

If cheaters like Gaylord Perry are already in the hall, then there is no reason that Mark Mcgwire shouldn't be in there.

I want Pete Rose in there.

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I want Pete Rose in there.

Me too. My favorite player ever. He played the game like no other.

Woody Paige (formely of ESPN cold pizza, since tues. was his last day) get a vote and he said he wouldn't give McGuire a vote. he said even without steriods, he didn't think his career was consistent enough to and great enough to be in the hall of fame. He never won a golden glove, he never won an MVP and even though every sinlge player with 500+ HRs is in the hall, he doesn't believe the McGuire deserves it.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I want Pete Rose in there.

I agree.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by P-funk

You would have to include Sosa in there.
They are good but...........

Posted by: IainDaniel

Interesting little tidbit. Of the 755 homeruns Hank Aaron hit only 1 was an inside the park homerun

Posted by: P-funk

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Interesting little tidbit. Of the 755 homeruns Hank Aaron hit only 1 was an inside the park homerun

wow. i couldn't see him hitting ANY inside the parkers. he wasn't a speed demon at all.

Posted by: min0 lee

Pete was awesome, and this is coming from someone who hated him.

He body slammed Buddy Harrelson in '73, when I saw that I was pissed off.

It was a while ago, the only thing I can really recall was that fight, Tom Seaver (Favorite pitcher) and Willie Mays arguing at the plate....then the Mets losing to the A's in the WS.
The A's of the 70's were awesome.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Interesting little tidbit. Of the 755 homeruns Hank Aaron hit only 1 was an inside the park homerun

I don't recall him being a fast runner, but then again I saw him when he was already past his prime.

Posted by: IainDaniel

I wouldn't say he is slow he ranks 227th all time in steals with 240 over his career.

Posted by: min0 lee

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I wouldn't say he is slow he ranks 227th all time in steals with 240 over his career.

Then that is odd? I guess it really is hard to get one.

I do love watching players hit them, sometimes it's funny seeing some of them gasping for air.

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Don Mattingly--no. sorry Donnie, if only your back didn't give out you would have been a shoo-in.

Gwynn was truly awesome, and so was Mattingly!

Posted by: min0 lee

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Gwynn was truly awesome, and so was Mattingly!

He was awesome, but it was really sad to see him lose his power.
He was never the same hitter he was after his back went out.

I will say this though, there are not too many who can play first base like he can.

He had a great personality.

Posted by: goandykid

Why did Woody leave cold pizza?

Posted by: P-funk

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Why did Woody leave cold pizza?

He left ESPN to take a job writing back in his home town of Denver.

Posted by: Double D

I hope Woody Paige chokes on a donut! What does that fat ass know?!?! He doesnt deserve to be there!!! Thats like saying Hitler wasnt a cruel dictator. I think it is very obvious he should be there, but the big question will be the steroids issue.

Oh and Pete Rose should be there for sure, he played the game with a ridiculous passion!!!

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by Double D

I hope Woody Paige chokes on a donut! What does that fat ass know?!?! He doesnt deserve to be there!!! Thats like saying Hitler wasnt a cruel dictator. I think it is very obvious he should be there, but the big question will be the steroids issue.

Oh and Pete Rose should be there for sure, he played the game with a ridiculous passion!!!

Posted by: min0 lee

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In addition to that, there's the Mark McGwire steroids issue and the questions of just how much support he'll get. But if we can put the steroids aside for a moment, there are a lot of baseball historians as well as voting members of the Baseball Writers Association who maintain that, his 583 homers notwithstanding, McGwire should not be an automatic first-ballot electee. Indeed, the case can be made that, as a barely adequate first baseman who had only 1,626 hits, McGwire was a one-dimensional player. I have always looked at 2,000 hits as a benchmark for the Hall of Fame.
Case in point: One might say Reggie Jackson was a one-dimensional player, especially since he struck out more than any player in the history of the game and had his share of shaky moments in right field. But for all his strikeouts, Jackson also had 2,584 hits, 958 more than McGwire. And while perceived light-hitting shortstops such as Ozzie Smith, Dave Concepcion and Larry Bowa were all noted for their fielding, all of them had more than 2,000 hits. The Hall of Fame slugger most compared to McGwire in terms of being one-dimensional is Harmon Killebrew, a below-average third baseman/first baseman who had 573 homers, leading the AL six times. But Killebrew's .256 average is the lowest of any Hall of Famer except catcher Ray Schalk (.253) and because of that, plus his inferior fielding, I didn't vote for Killebrew. But at least he did have 2,086 hits and that was undoubtedly a helpful factor in his being elected to the Hall on his fourth year of eligibility in 1984.

That's not a lot of hits for the big guy.......

Posted by: bigss75

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

He had a great personality.

On TV and interviews, we met him at a baseball thing and he had the holier than thou attitude. I still think he should be in the Hall though. Same with Mattingly, Ripken, and Rice. Next year, I think McGwire will probably get in.

The 2009 guys are pretty set with Henderson, Grace, and Palmer

Posted by: Mudge

Did Reggie seriously have the most strikeouts? I look at Mike Schmidt and go bonkers, that guy swung at everything.

I was more into hitters, Gwynn, Mattingly, Boggs - etc

Posted by: bigss75

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Did Reggie seriously have the most strikeouts? I look at Mike Schmidt and go bonkers, that guy swung at everything.

I was more into hitters, Gwynn, Mattingly, Boggs - etc

The second most striekouts is Stargell who's in the Hall of Fame too. I guess when you do will come playoff time everyone forgets about it

Posted by: I Are Baboon

McGwire gets a whopping 23.5 percent voting.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof07/...ory?id=2725461

Posted by: IainDaniel

How is it determined who is considered for the Hall of Fame. Sportswriters?

The baseball HOF is a joke, how is Devon White on the list for voting

Posted by: P-funk

yea, the sports writers vote in on who they think is deserving.

Posted by: IainDaniel

They need to change this hall of fame shit, too many bums are getting chance to be considered, and it isn't even baseball. Hockey is the same way.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

You could argue that brought them out of the shitter and returned them as well.

Posted by: goandykid

Any news on Pete Rose? I havent had a chance to read anything, including the majority of this thread.

Posted by: min0 lee

Rose has no chance at all. What really hurt his chances even more is the fact that he denied betting for all those years and then he comes out with a book confessing he did.

Posted by: min0 lee

It's a crime Jim Rice is not in there and it's a bigger crime the fans of Boston don't make it a bigger issue.

Posted by: dg806

I think Mark will get in eventually. Alot don't get in the first time and look who he was up against.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

It's a crime Jim Rice is not in there and it's a bigger crime the fans of Boston don't make it a bigger issue.

I think it's because he's black.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Even more of a joke, is Rich Gossage has not been voted in in 8 attempts. But it is expected he will next year cause of the weak ballot. If he can't make it on a strong ballot, then he shouldn't make it on a weak ballot.

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Even more of a joke, is Rich Gossage has not been voted in in 8 attempts. But it is expected he will next year cause of the weak ballot. If he can't make it on a strong ballot, then he shouldn't make it on a weak ballot.

yea. I couldn't believe he and Jim Rice didn't get in. They were close. They got like 71 or 22% of the vote. You need a 75% though.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

They need to change this hall of fame shit, too many bums are getting chance to be considered, and it isn't even baseball. Hockey is the same way.

they need to have current members vote who gets in. forget the damn sports writters who know absolutely shit about sports yet get puffed up in their own opinions anyways

Posted by: Double D

McGwire needs to get in. I dont think he deserved a first ballot for the things he did. Everyone knows he did it, just like everyone knows OJ did it. However, theres also the aspect of him and Sammy bringing baseball back to life after the strike. Baseball owes McGwire atleast that. Without that season, who knows if people would have came back. That was a remarkable season.

These are probably the same dumb asses who gave the MVP to Howard instead of Puljos, give me a break!

Posted by: Big Smoothy

Screw McGuire.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

they need to have current members vote who gets in. forget the damn sports writters who know absolutely shit about sports yet get puffed up in their own opinions anyways

Mike and Mike on ESPN Radio interviewed a writer/voter yesterday. The guy said he will not vote anyone in on the first ballot out of principle, because the original class that included Babe Ruth did not get unanimously elected. Assholes like that should have their voting priveleges revoked. They are suppose to vote on whether or not a guy is worthy, not use your own set of moral standards to make a guy wait. Pathetic. I hate people.

Posted by: americanwit

I hope he makes it in. All of this against him is alleged, and don't you love how baseball comes through this looking clean when they knew what was going on and allowed it to get fans back into the game after the lockout.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Heard another quote today from another guy saying he won't vote for anyone from this era, cause he doesn't know who used steroids and who didn't.

Posted by: the nut

He should muster up whathever is left of his balls and admit it.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Another point they made was that how can Tom Seaver (one of my favorite players) make

Posted by: Double D

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Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Screw McGuire.

If you cant even spell his name right then you dont even get a say.

Hey Mino the Cards resigned Mulder to a 2 year contract!!!! Fuckin right!!!

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by Double D

If you cant even spell his name right then you dont even get a say.

Hey Mino the Cards resigned Mulder to a 2 year contract!!!! Fuckin right!!!

Posted by: min0 lee

It's a good thing when a team retains their good players instead of getting rid of them ala the Marlins.

Posted by: Souped_up

Funny steroids were legal in baseball when he played and secondly no one has proof. But since when do the idiot hall of fame voters work on facts instead of media spin?

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