I didnt know..I mean if Michigan blows out USC and Florida barely beats Ohio St. I think Michigan has a really strong beef.

The Michigan Superfan does a periodic article on his site, I liked it today.

Roses Are Blue

Now Suck It Up And Beat The Hell Out Of USC

I wish I could sit here and tell you how angry I was at being passed over for the BCS Bowl. I'm not. You know why? I completely expected it. First and foremost, why would you expect for one second that people that have proven over and over again not to have the integrity to get beyond their own agendas would allow the once-beaten Wolverines into that game? Do we not remember 1997 and the split national championship for the Wolverines? We're #1, and ONLY because Osborne retired from Nebraska, and the Huskers begged and pleaded, they award a share of the National Championship to the Huskers. That's the same poll folks...more or less the same fools that did it then, did it again. You can not trust human error when other agendas are in the mix. You certainly can't trust human integrity when that kind of money and exposure is in the mix. Second, I can not sit here and honestly give you a reasonable unbiased argument on why Florida does NOT deserve to be in it. Michigan IS the better team...but the Gators certainly have a reasonable argument.

Is Michigan the better team? I honestly believe we are. Based on the comments I've heard around the country, I think most people think we are too. Yes, maybe the SEC top to bottom is a little stronger than the Big Ten, but that certainly doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the two best teams in the country play in the greatest rivalry in college football. Yes the BCS is supposed to theoretically put the two best teams in the country against each other...but nothing guarantees that will happen. Not even a playoff would guarantee that would happen. Face it Wolverine nation, we got screwed. That's life. If Florida didn't get into the game, they would have felt screwed...and they would have had legitimate points. Just like USC got screwed three years ago and Auburn before that... The system sucks, but I'm not sure there is one much better.

Let me make one thing perfectly clear though, I honestly feel based on the games I've seen that the Wolverines are the second best team in the country at the least...so here are some random thoughts on this mess.

1. We might be the best team in the country on a neutral field. Now we'll never know. If you were the best it wouldn't matter where you played...

2. Urban Meyer has proved to be a classless turd. Remember when you coached at Utah and your beef was you don't control the schedule...you just play who is in front of you. I guess that doesn't apply now. In Utah they played shit opponents, in Florida they don't...

3. The Big Ten needs better marketing. From what I can tell, the SEC is the best conference... Why? Because they say they're the best conference. They are the best conference because 47% of current NFL players are SEC grads....

4. Meyer says Michigan had its chance...now Florida deserves one. Guess what...Florida had its chance too and they lost by ten to the War Eagles when we lost by a field goal in the biggest snake pit north of Dixie. Michigan did have it's chance and they lost, I don't recall seeing OSU vs. Florida this year...

5. If Wisconsin beats Arkansas in the Capital One Bowl, they have every bit the legitimate argument at the National Championship game that Florida has. This I agree with.

6. Bo passing away reminded us of one of the reasons we loved the Old Coach. He said what he felt and he didn't give a damn what others thought. Jim Tressel should make a point of that. Who cares.

7. I forgot how much trouble we had with Vandy...thank goodness Florida made it out of that matchup. If some South Carolina kicker can make an extra point, we're not having this discussion. If a final field goal doesn't get blocked, we're not having this discussion. Frankly, any team with a DII school on their schedule should not be having this discussion. Come on Florida...Michigan's practice squad would beat a DII team. Assumptions, and poor ones. We all know what happens when you assume things...

8. Lloyd is absolutely right. I guarantee that if USC won on Saturday, the Wolverines would still be in third place and Florida behind us. They would not have jumped us. Perhaps the guys in the fron office @ Michigan will schedule a game around or after Thanksgiving next year?

9. Based on the games I've seen this year, I think the #2 and #3 best teams in the land will be playing Pasadena on January 1st. Based on this comment the author just lost all of my respect.

10. They'll never admit it, but I bet there was a sigh of relief in Columbus. If Michigan did win a BCS matchup with the Buckeyes, the Bucks would have a legitimate claim that they're still the nation's best. Nothing good would have come from a rematch. I guess we could have gone the best two of three...with game three happening in Ann Arbor next year. Why? You would have lost the first 2...

11. Yes Michigan fans. We did have our chance. If we win all of our games, if we take care of our own business, none of this matters right now. It's as easy as 1, 2, 3. One helmet to helmet penalty. Two long touchdown runs. Three turnovers. No excuses. We lost that game down in Columbus. The rematch comes in 2007 in Ann Arbor...let's hope that the stakes are as high. Now you get to play a team that shouldn't even be in the top 10. What will that prove if you win? Or if you lose?

12. Thank God we have a coach that kept his pride...kept his dignity...and acted like I expect a coach from the University of Michigan to act. In contrast with Urban Meyer, I'll take old school every day. You have a coach that tucked his tail and didn't fight for what he believes in. Urban cared enough to open his mouth and now he's going to the BCS championship game. Thanks LLoyd!

So bring on the happy bowl season. The Grand Daddy Of Them All is now thought of by the nation as the consolation prize neither team is happy with. Now that stupid USC march that they play after every first down that has haunted my New Years since I was a child will again ring in my 2007. I have some close friends that love their Gators, but after the way Urban acted, I hope the Buckeyes beat the Gators from one end of Arizona to the other and toss them in the Grand Canyon to boot. I honestly think the Buckeyes will KILL Florida... I hope the Badgers kick the hell out of Arkansas and show exactly where the SEC ranks. If LSU was playing anybody BUT Notre Dame, I'd want them to lose too. However, with them playing Notre Dame, I still hope the Irish lose by 30. I'm not usually like this, but after the way this season went, I'm all about Big Ten pride.

Go Bucks...bring home the national championship! If the Wolverines can't win it, I'm glad you can!

Go Badgers...prove you're the third best team in the country!

Go Blue... You can't always get what you want...that's life. Now go out and prove to yourselves, your coach, and your fans that you are indeed one of the finest teams in college football today!

I see you're from FL, no bias there

Lloyd was respectable and had class, he didn't campaign for his team like a bitch for two weeks.

I posted a well-written article by a michigan fan, it wasn't hateful, don't cop an attitude.

This is an issue neither of us are going to convince the other one of, I'll agree to disagree.

Having said that, the BCS voters were supposed to vote strictly on the two ebst teams in the country, not who had their shot and who didnt.

When OSU blows up UF and Michigan shits on USC, I'll be expecting an apology.

As much as I'd like to see OSU kill UF, it's just not gonna happen. Florida is way better than anyone is giving them credit for (including myself.) As for Michigan, they better beat USC after all the bitching and moaning we've had to hear.

Really, you think Florida will win? They've won 5 games by 7 or less.

I guess we'll see in a month or so.

If you are going to use that philosophy then what's your take on the New England Patriots?

I see you're from FL, no bias there

Lloyd was respectable and had class, he didn't campaign for his team like a bitch for two weeks.

I posted a well-written article by a michigan fan, it wasn't hateful, don't cop an attitude.

This is an issue neither of us are going to convince the other one of, I'll agree to disagree.

Having said that, the BCS voters were supposed to vote strictly on the two ebst teams in the country, not who had their shot and who didnt.

When OSU blows up UF and Michigan shits on USC, I'll be expecting an apology.

As much as I'd like to see OSU kill UF, it's just not gonna happen. Florida is way better than anyone is giving them credit for (including myself.) As for Michigan, they better beat USC after all the bitching and moaning we've had to hear.

Who? The redskins are one more big free agent from a superbowl

I also agree with this. Florida has speed, speed, speed. Why does everyone think this is going to be easy? Remember Miami/OSU in 2002? No one gave Ohio State a chance in hell.

Now Suck It Up And Beat The Hell Out Of USC

I wish I could sit here and tell you how angry I was at being passed over for the BCS Bowl. I'm not. You know why? I completely expected it. First and foremost, why would you expect for one second that people that have proven over and over again not to have the integrity to get beyond their own agendas would allow the once-beaten Wolverines into that game? Do we not remember 1997 and the split national championship for the Wolverines? We're #1, and ONLY because Osborne retired from Nebraska, and the Huskers begged and pleaded, they award a share of the National Championship to the Huskers. That's the same poll folks...more or less the same fools that did it then, did it again. You can not trust human error when other agendas are in the mix. You certainly can't trust human integrity when that kind of money and exposure is in the mix. Second, I can not sit here and honestly give you a reasonable unbiased argument on why Florida does NOT deserve to be in it. Michigan IS the better team...but the Gators certainly have a reasonable argument.

It's on tonight!

I going with TCU -11 1/2... Wolfe v Ballard, could be high scoring.

21 days till the big one.

I'm a Penn State fan actually.

I like Beck out of BYU

Chad Henne has been one of the top BIG10 qb's the past 3 years, where would he go?

I like Beck out of BYU

Most TD Passes (Season)
Player, School Year TDs
Colt Brennan, Hawaii 2006 58
David Klingler, Houston 1990 54
B.J. Symons, Tex. Tech 2003 52
Jim McMahon, BYU 1980 47
Andre Ware, Houston 1989 46
Tim Rattay, La. Tech 1998 46

So when does the debate begin about who had the tougher conference now. With Penn St knocking off Tennesse and now Wisconsin knocking off Arkansas.

Big 10> SEC

Uh Hoo...Michigan got clocked....

Interesting sidelight on the Notre Dame LSU game Wednesday night. We could be watching the top 2 picks in the NFL draft if JaMarcus Russell comes out. Oakland and Detroit both need quarterbacks and after the Houston Texans fiasco this year ( passing on Reggie Bush and Vince Young for a linebacker who had an average year), I'd be surprised if either decides to make a nonconventional pick.

The Raiders need to fill seats, so I think they'll take Brady Quinn.

So when does the debate begin about who had the tougher conference now. With Penn St knocking off Tennesse and now Wisconsin knocking off Arkansas.

Big 10> SEC

With Michigan getting clobbered, I think it all comes down to who wins the OSU/Florida game. If Florida wins, which would leave the Big 10 with only 2 bowl victories (and 5 losses), I don't think an argument could be made for the Big Ten.

I will say that Wisconsin is probably the most underrated team in the country and its too bad they didn't get to play Ohio State.

Russell wont go anywhere, and if he does it wont be before Quinn or Troy Smith, let alone in the top 10. BTW the Texans drafted a lineman, not a linebacker.

Yea, funny how they had the exact same point that Florida had, but got no attention. Michigan beat Wisconsin for their only loss, but Wisc is adeff a powerhouse.

Kind of humorous that there is all this Big 10 is weak talk, but at the end of it all 3 of the top 5 or 6 will be from the Big 10.

I can't see Michigan staying in the top 5 since they lost by 2 touchdowns. Wisconsin and OSU will finish in the top 5, but USC probably leapfrog into the top 5 and I think the winner of the Boise St Oklahoma game will finish #5, especially if Louisvillle loses. Also, even though Michigan beat Notre Dame head to head, if ND beats # 4 LSU, they could very likely leapfrog Michigan also because the voters have short "what happened yesterday" memories.

Holy Fuck Anyone Watching The End To This Boise State Game

Jesus Fucking Christ

Yea, funny how they had the exact same point that Florida had, but got no attention. Michigan beat Wisconsin for their only loss, but Wisc is adeff a powerhouse.

Kind of humorous that there is all this Big 10 is weak talk, but at the end of it all 3 of the top 5 or 6 will be from the Big 10.

So Boise St. will get no recognition for there undefeated season?

Oh I think they will. I see them cracking the top 5 now.

Oh so do I, that was an impressive win last night.

Not if you understand the way the BCS works....


They are #8 and they beat a 3 loss #10 BCS team, they can't jump OSU/Florida winner, most likely won't jump the loser. They are not jumping USC, Wisconsin, LSU if they win, Luosiville if they win, and probably not Michigan. And would get destoryed by anyone of those teams. Oklahoma is soft as can be.

There are very little points gained from beating a team lower ranked than you.

They may crack the AP top five but, probably not. I probably sound like a jerk, but they proved that they were exactly where the BCS put them, an #8 or #9 team at best.

In reality Oklahoma shouldn't have even been in this game. The only time they showed anything was the drive to tie up the game.

A bad Bounce on a punt let Oklahoma back in this.

Granted Boise had a pretty easy schedule

Let the players determine where they finish in the poll these kids played there hearts out. They were undefeated and should have been given a proper opportunity to show whether they belong with the elite or not. Not be determined by some fucked up poll. It is just as bad as figure skating with judges.

I had always heard Quinn was number 1, and Jemarcus Russell was out of the top 3.

Anyone else have a better informed, outside opinion?

Quinn stinks, I wouldn't pick him with a 10 ft pole (although he MAY develop into a decent QB).

I didn't see much of the game..alot of crap came up that I had to take care of.

Andy,what did you think of the quarterback's performances? Did the Fox announcers or studio guys state any opinions as to who might be drafted when?

He's got all the tools.... size, strength, pocket awareness and mobility, and tremendous poise when the game is on the line.

I could see Russell, Quinn and Brohm all making a little noise in the NFL.

I'm not a Notre Dame apologist, but that story, I thought, was a cheapshot.

The guy threw 24 TDs and only 7(!!) interceptions in 13 or 14 games. It did say he led two big comebacks against UCLA and Michigan State. Does anybody really think that talent wise, man for man, that Notre Dame was as good as Michigan, USC and LSU, where he completed "under 50% of his passes against good competition"?

The stuff about ND being ranked #2 and so on and so forth, was the MEDIA hyping Notre Dame. Why doesn't the AP blames THEMSELVES for over hyping the Irish before the season? Brady Quinn and Charlies Weis didn't ask for all the pre season National Championship and Heisman Trophy hype. Its the media who constantly put Notre Dame under a microscope.

Other than getting blown out by LSU in the bowl game, I'll bet that without the interference of the media pre season hype, Charlie Weis would have been very happy with his season record and Quinn's stats if you had told him what it would be before the season.

I don't have a crystal ball and he may be a great QB, average, or a bust, but if I were the Raiders or the Lions, I would take Quinn with my #1 pick.

I also disagree about your picks. If I were the Raiders or the Lions, it would be DeMarcus Russell for sure, not Quinn. I love Troy Smith, and I THINK he will be a very good NFL QB, but Russell IMO is a better fit in a pro style offense.

Any guesses at the final AP top 10?

1. Florida
2. Ohio State
3. LSU
4. USC
5. Louisville
6. Wisconsin
7. Michigan
8. Boise State
9. Auburn
10. Virginia Tech

If Louisville or LSU loses, Boise State will finish in the top 5 and believe me, regardless of whether Michigan is or is not the better team, the voters will leapfrog them over Michigan. Boise was undefeated and Michigan lost two games, including its bowl game by 2 touchdowns. And if Florida beats Ohio State, mark my word, some voters in the polls will rank Boise #1.

How did Wisconsin drop a spot???? They stomped Arkansas.

Any guesses at the final AP top 10?

1. Florida
2. Ohio State
3. LSU
4. USC
5. Louisville
6. Wisconsin
7. Michigan
8. Boise State
9. Auburn
10. Virginia Tech

Good call on Jemarcus Russell, egoatdoor

This is the way it will look IMO come Jan 9.

1. Florida
2. OSU
3. USC
4. LSU
5. Boise St.

I think Florida answered the question as to which is the better conference.

Could you imagine the trick plays we'd see if Florida played Boise?

How did Wisconsin drop a spot???? They stomped Arkansas.

Some fool thought Boise State should be National Champion.

How do you know they could not have been? You don't without a playoff system. No one gave Florida a chance to beat OSU did they?

I did, and so did half the people who voted on this poll.

Oklahoma was so weak this year and they went ot with them???? You honestly think Boise State can compete with any of those top 4 teams?

Who knows, anything can happen in match ups! What is on paper means shit. Let the kids who fought hard to prove themselves determine there standings, not some strength of schedule BS.

The only reason Oklahoma got back in that game was cause of a lucky bounce on the punt.

On a given day, sure. That's why you play the game.

Some fool thought Boise State should be National Champion.

I was surprised they only got 1 vote.

And who is more foolish? That voter or the 2 or 3% of Hall of Fame voters who DID NOT vote for Cal Ripken or Tony Gywnn to get into the baseball Hall of Fame yesterday?

Were Ripkin and Gwynn the only two inductees?