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Is Tony Dungy The Problem In Indy?

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Posted by: Egoatdoor

I really think the Colts need to find a new coach if they do not at least get to the Super Bowl this year ( and its looking like that is becoming a remote possibility).

Tony Dungy is a overrated as a coach. He is good at taking a bad team and making them contenders, but at that point he stalls and nevers get them over the top. So why should he still keep getting chances? Peyton is not going to be around forever and the rest of the offense is getting older ( boy, look how E. James faded this year in Arizona). Their defense has been and continues to be bad. In another couple of years, this team is going to start fading fast if they do not bring in new blood.

Look at Tony's record:

1996: 6-10 in Tampa Bay, which was 7-9 the year before he came.
1997: 10-6. Wild Card. Lost to GB in divisional playoffs.
1998: 8-8
1999: 11-5. Won the division and lost to St Louis in the NFC Championship. This was the peak.
2000: 10-6. Wild Card. Lost badly to the Eagles in the first round.
2001: 9-7. Wild Card. Crushed again by the Eagles 31-9.

2002: Moves to Indy. 10-6 with a team that was 6-10 the year before. Wild Card, crushed by the Jets 41-0 in the first round.
2003: 12-4. Division Champs. Lost to NE in the AFC title game. This was the furthest he's taken the Colts.
2004: 12-4 again. Lost to NE in divisional playoffs.
2005: 14-2. Lost in big upset to the Steelers in divisional playoffs.

There is definitely a pattern here and I don't think its a coincidence.

Posted by: P-funk

yea, I don't know if he can finish the team out.....He can make them contenders but he can't get them into the big game. After he left Tampa, Gruden came in and one a superbowl with Dungy's team....that is like adding insult to injury.

E. James sucks this year because the cardinals o-line sucks this year. A good runner is great behind a great o-line and looks lost behind a shitty o-line.

A great runner (ie barry sanders) looks good even if there is no o-line to block for him.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Remember, if you take the Y out of "dungy", it'd be Tony Dung, aka Tony Shit. Imagine having "Shit" for a last name?

Posted by: Decker

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Remember, if you take the Y out of "dungy", it'd be Tony Dung, aka Tony Shit. Imagine having "Shit" for a last name?

I've been making this exact point for years.

No ever one listens until it's too late.

Posted by: ReproMan

Also remember the clincher:

2002: Moves to Indy, Jon Gruden wins Super Bowl with Dungy's former team.

Posted by: P-funk

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Also remember the clincher:

2002: Moves to Indy, Jon Gruden wins Super Bowl with Dungy's former team.

why don't you try reading the thread.

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yea, I don't know if he can finish the team out.....He can make them contenders but he can't get them into the big game. After he left Tampa, Gruden came in and one a superbowl with Dungy's team....that is like adding insult to injury.

Posted by: IainDaniel

As a business owner why get rid of him.

He makes his team a winner, and gets them into the playoffs. The anticipation to win the superbowl is always there, even though they never achieve it.

It is always, next year will be our year, then we will kick ass. Probably Drawing in more season ticket holders, and more merchandise revenue cause they are such a competitive team.

Posted by: ReproMan

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why don't you try reading the thread.

I skip your posts because 90% of everything you type is spelled wrong.

Posted by: P-funk

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I skip your posts because 90% of everything you type is spelled wrong.

piss off

Posted by: IainDaniel

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I skip your posts because 90% of everything you type is spelled wrong.

It is americanese.

Posted by: P-funk

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It is americanese.

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Posted by: ReproMan

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piss off

You're such a sweetheart.

I thought midgets were jolly?

Posted by: P-funk

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You're such a sweetheart.

I thought midgets were jolly?

Posted by: Doublebase

Isn't Dungy the 3rd most winning coach? I wouldn't blame their loses in the playoffs all on him.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Isn't Dungy the 3rd most winning coach? I wouldn't blame their loses in the playoffs all on him.

I would. For the past few years he has had the best team in the NFL basically, and for one reason or another just can't get it done. I refuse to believe that Peyton "can't win the big one." Dungy was mediocre in Tampa with a team that went on to win the Super Bowl, and I'd laugh my ass off if he got fired and the next coach comes in and wins it the following year!

Posted by: Doublebase

Andy Reid was the same way. Took him 3 trys to get to the Super Bowl. Tony Dungy is a great coach and will get the Colts to the Super Bowl.

Posted by: bio-chem

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so in order to not blame payton you find an easy scape goat and pin it all on dungy? look at paytons stats in the playoffs they are not that good. the patriots have always had his number no matter what. he beat them earlier in the season, but it wont count until he beats them in the playoffs.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Isn't Dungy the 3rd most winning coach? I wouldn't blame their loses in the playoffs all on him.

2000...2001...2002....2003....2004....2005....seve ral blowouts...Blame it all on Santa Claus maybe?

Posted by: Egoatdoor

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Tony Dungy is a great coach and will get the Colts to the Super Bowl.

Nothing in his record seems to back that up and the Colts aren't playing like they are going to the Big Game this year.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

I would not say that Peyton is blameless either. But again, look at Dungy's record in Tampa and Indy. Peyton and the team needs a new approach and if they don't do it soon, their window of opportunity is going to close because that team is going to be pretty old in a couple of years.

Posted by: goandykid

Dungy has no team personality.

Tampa was an all-defense team w/ no offense.

Indy is an all offensive team w/ no defense.

Unless he randomly switched his entire coaching strategy, I think Dungy is letting his assistants do alot more than people realize. The offensive coordinator is the heart and soul of the offense, and they need a new coordinator for defense.

I think they should keep Dungy, he's a good decision maker, but defensively they need a coaching makeover. They have some great talent in the secondary and on the line but should draft or trade or a lb or two.

Posted by: shiznit2169

Tony Dungy is a very respectable coach and should be praised for what he's done .. whether or not he ever takes a team to the superbowl

It's just funny to me how the blame is always put on the coach for poor teams or big game losses. Coaches don't control a bizarre turnover such as a fumble on the 1-yard line, or a kicker missing a field goal from 25 yards out, or the other team outplaying his players. The team as a whole should accept the loss and not fire coaches left and right cus they couldn't win the whole thing.

Posted by: goandykid

Wrong, coaches have an impact on everything, even the small things or anomalies. I coach youth basketball (I know, big difference but hear me out) and if one of my stars misses a gimme lay-up it's partially b/c I didn't reinforce confidence or focus during the timeout or in practice. Or maybe the kid has a slight form or technique error that wouldve eliminated the anomaly that I didnt pick up on. Or maybe I shouldve drafted a different player.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by goandykid

Wrong, coaches have an impact on everything, even the small things or anomalies. I coach youth basketball (I know, big difference but hear me out) and if one of my stars misses a gimme lay-up it's partially b/c I didn't reinforce confidence or focus during the timeout or in practice. Or maybe the kid has a slight form or technique error that wouldve eliminated the anomaly that I didnt pick up on. Or maybe I shouldve drafted a different player.

Or maybe he had a fat boner or felt like eating his boogers...The complexity of being a youth basketball coach knows no bounds.

Posted by: goandykid

true story

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Kinda crazy to try and compare coaching "PROFESSIONAL" atheletes to a youth basketball team.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

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but defensively they need a coaching makeover. They have some great talent in the secondary and on the line but should draft or trade or a lb or two.

But hasn't this been true for 4 years? He's had 4 drafts, gotten free agents and its STILL THE SAME. How much longer are we going to give him?

Also, he was brought in because he was an alleged "defensive genius" while an assistant and then as head coach at Tampa.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Andy Reid was the same way. Took him 3 trys to get to the Super Bowl. Tony Dungy is a great coach and will get the Colts to the Super Bowl.

Yeah but Andy has been a head coach for 3 less seasons, has only 7 less wins, and an NFC Championship to his credit. Not to mention Dungy has had alot more talent to work with on the offensive side of the ball.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Absolutely. Let Peyton handle the offensive side of the ball, and let Dungy do what he does best: coach the defense. Oh, that's right, Indy has the worst run defense in the league, I forgot.

Dungy is a bum, it's all his fault, and they should defintely fire him.

Posted by: dg806

It takes more than a QB to win a SB. Look at Dan Marino. One of the best QB's ever and he was never able to win a SB because their defense sucked. If Dungy can be blamed, then it is because of the bad defense. If the defense controls the game, the offense can run much better.

Posted by: P-funk

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It takes more than a QB to win a SB. Look at Dan Marino. One of the best QB's ever and he was never able to win a SB because their defense sucked. If Dungy can be blamed, then it is because of the bad defense. If the defense controls the game, the offense can run much better.

no way....Trent Dilfer went with the Ravens....all he had to do was make sure he didn't lose the Super Bowl. There have been plenty of QBs that took teams to the super bowl and won and it was because of a great running game and defense and all they had to do was make sure that they didn't fuck up with a bad pass.

Posted by: dg806

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Yeah a running game takes pressure off of and opens up a throwing attack.

Posted by: P-funk

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Yeah a running game takes pressure off of and opens up a throwing attack.

no it doesn't.......it controls the clock so that your shitty QB doesn't have to worry about fucking it up. Dilfer barely threw any passes.....he was a terrible QB, it didn't matter.

Posted by: goandykid

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All 3 Redskins SB's were won w/ a less-than-stellar qb, except Theissmann.

Posted by: Dub guy

Is Brad Johnson a great QB or how about Big Ben? Nope they are average at best....but both have Superbowls to to their credit. A coach doesnt throw passes or drop passes or fumbles. They play the strategy end.....the players have to act out the drama.

Coach Dungy is good in my books.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

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Andy Reid has actually taken the Eagles to a Super Bowl and four NFC Championship games. But the NFC has been the weaker conference most years and I feel Reid is also overrated. He stubbornly refuses to develop a consistent running game even though his team has had one of the worse defenses against the run for several years. His defenses spend too much time on the field, which is why they lose so many games in the fourth quarter.

Posted by: P-funk

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I wonder why it is that the NFC seems to be so weak? It is the same in MLB. Despite the fact that the Cardinals won this years world series (the beat a Tigers team that forgot to show up), the NL has been shit compared to the AL in the past few seasons.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by P-funk

why don't you try reading the thread.

He has you on ignore.

Posted by: min0 lee

Dungy had a reputation for being defense minded, I wonder what happened.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Dungy had a reputation for being defense minded, I wonder what happened.

Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, and formerly Edgerrin James.

Posted by: P-funk

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Dungy had a reputation for being defense minded, I wonder what happened.

yea, at least that is how he ran the Tampa Bay team.

Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by goandykid

Dungy has no team personality.

Tampa was an all-defense team w/ no offense.

Indy is an all offensive team w/ no defense.

Unless he randomly switched his entire coaching strategy, I think Dungy is letting his assistants do alot more than people realize. The offensive coordinator is the heart and soul of the offense, and they need a new coordinator for defense.

I think they should keep Dungy, he's a good decision maker, but defensively they need a coaching makeover. They have some great talent in the secondary and on the line but should draft or trade or a lb or two.

My earlier point exactly.

Posted by: P-funk

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My earlier point exactly.

yea, i saw it. I agree with it 100%.

Posted by: goandykid

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yea, i saw it. I agree with it 100%.

Posted by: P-funk

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Posted by: Egoatdoor

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I can't speak for baseball, but the AFC has been much better than the NFC this entire decade. But it does run in cycles. Look at the 90s with the Niners, Cowboys, the Giants and at the end of the decade, the Randall Cunningham and Randy Moss Vikings. The NFC was a tough road to ho to get to the Super Bowl.

This decade in the AFC, NE, Indy, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, San Diego, Denver and KC have been good almost every year and until a couple of years ago, so were the Titans. The NFC??? Look at Detroit, Arizona, San Fran and except for a couple of years under Kurt Warner, the Rams. These teams suck every year. The NFC has won two of the last 9 Super Bowls and one of those teams, the Bucs, were a slightly above average team that put it together late and beat a choking Eagles team to get to the Super Bowl.

Posted by: P-funk

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yea, that is true. Weird how it goes in spurts like that too......You would think that it would be more even across the board.

Posted by: goandykid

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I can't speak for baseball, but the AFC has been much better than the NFC this entire decade. But it does run in cycles. Look at the 90s with the Niners, Cowboys, the Giants and at the end of the decade, the Randall Cunningham and Randy Moss Vikings. The NFC was a tough road to ho to get to the Super Bowl.

Let's not forget the Skins 3 superbowls in that period!

This decade in the AFC, NE, Indy, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, San Diego, Denver and KC have been good almost every year and until a couple of years ago, so were the Titans. The NFC??? Look at Detroit, Arizona, San Fran and except for a couple of years under Kurt Warner, the Rams. These teams suck every year. The NFC has won two of the last 9 Super Bowls and one of those teams, the Bucs, were a slightly above average team that put it together late and beat a choking Eagles team to get to the Super Bowl.

I agree, but NE and Indy are the only two consistent playoff teams besides the Eagles (except for last year) in the entire league.

Posted by: goandykid

The Western Conf in basketball was dominant until recently. Detroit went on their run, Lebron in Cleveland, the Big 3 in Washington, Ben Wallace now in Chicago, Miami Heat, etc.

The Suns, Spurs, Mavs, and Rockets are looking to hold down the West.

Posted by: P-funk

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I agree, but NE and Indy are the only two consistent playoff teams besides the Eagles (except for last year) in the entire league.

NE no more (at least no this year).

Steelers are pretty darn consistent (except for this years meltdown) also.

Posted by: goandykid

The Steelers barely made the playoffs last year, but they are usually in contention, that is true.

I won't believe that NE misses the playoffs still after Week 17.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

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Let's not forget the Skins 3 superbowls in that period!

The Skins last won the Super Bowl in 1992. Their other two were in the 80s.

But I DID forget Green Bay. They won a Super Bowl and then lost the next year to Denver. The NFC was pretty tough in the mid 90s with the Pack, Cowboys and Niners.

Posted by: goandykid

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The Skins last won the Super Bowl in 1992. Their other two were in the 80s.

Late 80's, just count it. Please.

Posted by: goandykid

Besides, you're from Richmond and I'm from NoVa. We should be agreeing on this, even though you leech away all my tax money.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

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Late 80's, just count it. Please.

1983 is the late 80s???

I'm not counting the Skins.

Posted by: goandykid

83, 88, 92. You can only count the last two if this pleases you.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

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Besides, you're from Richmond and I'm from NoVa. We should be agreeing on this, even though you leech away all my tax money.

Actually I'm a transplant and new here. Lived in Pennsylvania most of my life, in Houston for a year and have been in VA for five months.

I thought my taxes were going to pay for all the road building in northern Virginia.

Really though, the taxes and cost of living are MUCH lower here in Richmond than in Pa. I had a job offer to go back to Pa., but I was fed up with the taxes, housing costs and political liberalism up there.

Posted by: goandykid

Yea it gets pretty cheap down there, not like up here tho. Actually, the taxes in VA are pretty evenly spread, even though NoVa pays 70% of all taxes

Posted by: Egoatdoor

OK folks. Its Indy vs NE, round three.

If the Pats win again, will people start listening to my argument?

Posted by: oaktownboy

when u have a team like the Colts who have superstars like Manning and Harrison and formerly Edgerrin James, and yet you never make it to the big game, at some point you have got to look at the coaching. Indy has all the tools. I believe they even went out and improved their always lacking defense during the offseason.

Posted by: DyingTrying

i dont know about all this he does seem to have problems finishing good in the playoffs but he is a good coach, lets take this for example Dan Marino got all the stats in the world but never won in the big game has anyone tried to get him out of miami i wouldnt say so, in sports you need some luck too and a lot of it... i mean dungy is not the one getting picked off 3, 4 times every other playoff game its Peyton... Look at Tampa now i live down here everyone would take Dungy back over Gruden, everyone is talking how good of a coach gruden is he is a offensive master mind B.S he F up tampa big by poor draft choices over the past few years and bad business deals...

Releasing Warren Sapp so we can franchise McFarland... B.S

Releasing John Lynch even tho he stated clearly that he would take a pay cut just to stay down here...

Simeon Rice is leaving us most likely this year too...

Mike Alsttot touching ball twice a year

He did win a superbowl with dungy's team but after that we have been the crapiest team in the south, this year tampa has tons a money to spend and good draft picks and watch we will still be nothing next year...

Posted by: Egoatdoor

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i dont know about all this he does seem to have problems finishing good in the playoffs but he is a good coach, lets take this for example Dan Marino got all the stats in the world but never won in the big game has anyone tried to get him out of miami i wouldnt say so, in sports you need some luck too and a lot of it... ... B.S

Marino is not a good example. One, he made it to a Super Bowl, in only his first or second year in the league.

Two, go back and read my original post on Dungy's record. At least four of his playoff losses has been as a FAVORITE and he lost four games by absolute blowouts.

Marino was an underdog in his Super Bowl loss to the Niners in 1984. His team lost twice to the Jim Kelly Super Bowl teams of the early nineties. All of these teams had much weaker talent than the opposition. His only really poor playoff game was in 1985 when he was upset by the Patriots and was something like 20 for 48.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

21-6 Pats.

Tony has 30 minutes to make a liar out of me.

Posted by: goandykid

28-21 now pats about to enter the 4th.

I DO NOT want the Pats to get another.

Posted by: Egoatdoor

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Tony has 30 minutes to make a liar out of me.

He made a liar out of me.

Posted by: min0 lee

Dungy is now the solution.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

21-6 Pats.

Tony has 30 minutes to make a liar out of me.

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He made a liar out of me.

Posted by: studen77

HELL *UCKIN YEAH!!! DUNGY/MANNING all the way!! Who the hell???

Posted by: goandykid

Good for the colts. I refuse to give any man from the SEC credit, marlon jackson sealed it w/ his pick, he's a UM graduate.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Good for the colts. I refuse to give any man from the SEC credit, marlon jackson sealed it w/ his pick, he's a UM graduate.

SEC?

Posted by: The Monkey Man

SEC... SECTUAL -

This thread is closed

Posted by: BigDyl

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He made a liar out of me.

You got Indianapwned.

Posted by: goandykid

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

SEC?

Peyton went to tennessee, an SEC school. And after this most recent college football season, the SEC is on my "Dead To Me" list, along w/ gary danielson and the Sun Belt referrees.

Posted by: Doublebase

Apparently not.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Dungy is now the solution.

It's amazing how much smarter a coach is when his players play well.

Posted by: min0 lee

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It's amazing how much smarter a coach is when his players play well.

I know this is off topic but didn't Torre look smarter when they were winning?

Posted by: goandykid

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I know this is off topic but didn't Torre look smarter when they were winning?

Yep, he went from semi-retarded to stupid.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Yep, he went from semi-retarded to stupid.

Go Nationals!!

Hater.

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