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Fight Night Tonight!


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Posted by: Goodfella9783

Don't forget. I mentioned it in one of the UFC threads but I'd figure I'd remind people by making a new thread. Tonight @ 8 on Spike.



Posted by: Doublebase

17 mins away.



Posted by: goandykid

Thanks, I just got home now and had completely forgotten. Whatd I miss? It's 8:17.



Posted by: fufu

The first fight was lame.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Yeah Carter/Davis wasn't very exciting. Davis had him rocked a little in the second and basically threw the jab the whole time instead of going in for the kill.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Heaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttt!!!!!!!!! What a fight. Huge hearts in that one. Karo's the man.



Posted by: goandykid

Yea I caught all but the first round of Shonie's fight, meh. Karo is the man though, his fight w/ Diego in the last fight night was sick too. I'm stoked to see the "Nightmare" right meow.



Posted by: fufu

Diego Sanchez OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fucking amazing. Holy shit.



Posted by: goandykid

What A Knockout!!!



Posted by: goandykid

Yea that was sick, I love him. One of my favorites since TUF, I love to watch him fight. Him and Tito make UFC what it is.



Posted by: Doublebase

Who's next for Diego? That kid has proven himself over and over again. Did what he said he was going to do.



Posted by: bigss75

BJ Penn?



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Who's next for Diego? That kid has proven himself over and over again. Did what he said he was going to do.
Definately. Undefeated still. He blasted Riggs with that knee. I thought it was illegal at first but they showed the replay and it was legit. And very nice at that. I'd like to see him get a title shot soon. Gonna be while though because Serra doesn't even get his until February.



Posted by: AKIRA

I watched the biggest loser season finale...now I am watching the VGA... I hope theres a pre-recorded showing later...



Posted by: drew_c

I think Diego stated that if (when) he defeated Riggs he would want to fight Matt Hughes next, and then St Pierre for the title after that.

The BJ Penn fight would be interesting but I was under the impression he was going to drop to 155lbs after he was cleared to start training again.

Great knockout to end the show tonight though.. Karo's fight was pretty good too but they still really needed that KO to make up for the first fight.

I wonder where Riggs is going to go from here



Posted by: IainDaniel

BJ Penn is commmitted to the welterweight division or so he says

http://www.bjpenn.com/index.php

Quote:
Tuesday, 14th November 2006 at 8:52PM
BJ Penn's Commitment to the UFC and Regaining His Title
Posted by BJPenn.com Staff Writer With all that recent press about my brother, JD, and his recent business decision, I want all my fans to know that I am committed to the ufc and to carrying out my dream of regaining the title of UFC Welterweight Champion of the World.

See you all at the UFC.

BJ Penn




Posted by: Doublebase

I would like to see Diego fight Hughes next. That would be an awesome fight.



Posted by: ReproMan

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I would like to see Diego fight Hughes next. That would be an awesome fight.
Diego would take it.

BJ vs. Diego would be the matchup of the century. They are uniquely talented, and neither of them can beat GSP. I'd also like to see Karo's name somewhere back in that mix. He's fuckin ruthless.



Posted by: ReproMan

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I watched the biggest loser season finale...now I am watching the VGA... I hope theres a pre-recorded showing later...
Hah, who won?



Posted by: Doublebase

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Diego would take it.

BJ vs. Diego would be the matchup of the century. They are uniquely talented, and neither of them can beat GSP. I'd also like to see Karo's name somewhere back in that mix. He's fuckin ruthless.
Diego beat Hughes? I highly doubt that.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Diego beat Hughes? I highly doubt that.
Really? I think Diego could almost be favored going into that fight.



Posted by: Doublebase

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Really? I think Diego could almost be favored going into that fight.
Matt Hughes has so much more experience. He will not lose to Diego. I will bet you when it comes around. If you are willing. It will be a good bet.



Posted by: IainDaniel

I don't do this much, but I agree with Doublebase here.



Posted by: Doublebase

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I don't do this much, but I agree with Doublebase here.
Lets not get all excited. Probably won't ever happen. If Hughes is serious about retiring.



Posted by: ReproMan

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Matt Hughes has so much more experience. He will not lose to Diego. I will bet you when it comes around. If you are willing. It will be a good bet.
I'll take that bet. Diego is more skilled on the ground, he's got better standup, and he's obviously got KO power. Diego has shown us absolutely nothing that would imply a lack of experience other than his age, in fact, he looks like the most experienced of all the TUF fighters period. Diego by TKO.



Posted by: Doublebase

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I'll take that bet. Diego is more skilled on the ground, he's got better standup, and he's obviously got KO power. Diego has shown us absolutely nothing that would imply a lack of experience other than his age, in fact, he looks like the most experienced of all the TUF fighters period. Diego by TKO.
You're crazy. Hughes by TKO.



Posted by: AKIRA

Eric won the biggest loser by the way.



Posted by: goandykid

The WW division in the UFC is stacked. Karo is what, 5th in line for a title shot? Serra, Hughes, BJ, DS are all heavy heavy contenders or in line for the fight. Karo shouldve won more handily though, great fight but he was a huge favorite.

I truely think DS is still underrated I would give him a good shot against GSP. GSP the favorite no doubt, but I see DS as someone who can be a legit challenger and a beltholder soon enough.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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You're crazy. Hughes by TKO.
I think Diego has better JJ, an incredible amount of energy, better ground and pound and as we saw last night, knocked out a knockout artist so he clearly has better standup than Hughes. Diego is undefeated and still very young and fresh and I think he'd put too much pressure on Hughes. You could make a case for Hughes too coming off his loss, but these are just my personal opinions. Diego just continues to impress me and I'm not even a big fan of the guy.



Posted by: ReproMan

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You're crazy. Hughes by TKO.
How in the world is Matt Hughes gonna TKO Sanchez? Surely not a punch. He wouldn't be able to maintain a dominant position on the ground long enough to GNP him, and I doubt he would submit him. If Hughes won, it would defintely be by decision.



Posted by: ReproMan

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I think Diego has better JJ, an incredible amount of energy, better ground and pound and as we saw last night, knocked out a knockout artist so he clearly has better standup than Hughes. Diego is undefeated and still very young and fresh and I think he'd put too much pressure on Hughes. You could make a case for Hughes too coming off his loss, but these are just my personal opinions. Diego just continues to impress me and I'm not even a big fan of the guy.




Posted by: ReproMan

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Eric won the biggest loser by the way.
Good, that's who I was pulling for!



Posted by: Doublebase

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How in the world is Matt Hughes gonna TKO Sanchez? Surely not a punch. He wouldn't be able to maintain a dominant position on the ground long enough to GNP him, and I doubt he would submit him. If Hughes won, it would defintely be by decision.
He could win all the ways you just explained. I think it will be a standard ground and pound personally.



Posted by: BoneCrusher

I fucking missed it on account of a bidness meeting

I'll download it today prolly watch it tonight. I'm staying out of this thread til I do ...



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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He could win all the ways you just explained. I think it will be a standard ground and pound personally.
For some reason I can't see Hughes keeping Diego down long enough to KO him. Diego is too much of a maniac. I don't think I've ever seen a fight where he is inactive for 1 second.



Posted by: ReproMan

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He could win all the ways you just explained. I think it will be a standard ground and pound personally.
There is nobody in the UFC that can stay on top of Diego long enough to win via GNP or submission. It would have to be a fluke KO, or a decision. Diego is too talented on the ground for even the likes of Hughes to keep him there...



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Diego is good, but he can't compete with Penn/Hughes/GSP. And I base that solely on my opinion. IMO, those 3 guys are far better than the 4th place guy, who is probably Diego.



Posted by: ReproMan

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Diego is good, but he can't compete with Penn/Hughes/GSP. And I base that solely on my opinion. IMO, those 3 guys are far better than the 4th place guy, who is probably Diego.

UFC Welterweights
1. GSP
2. BJ Penn
3. Diego Sanchez
4. Karo Parisyan
5. Matt Hughes

That's how I see it.



Posted by: IainDaniel

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UFC Welterweights
1. GSP
2. BJ Penn
3. Diego Sanchez
4. Karo Parisyan
5. Matt Hughes

That's how I see it.

Nobody has proven to be better then Matt hughes other then GSP.



Posted by: ReproMan

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Nobody has proven to be better then Matt hughes other then GSP.
They will.



Posted by: IainDaniel

Till then they aren't above him especially BJ Penn. No doubt he has ridiculous talent, but until he actually applies it, he is just another fighter.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

IMO:

1. GSP
2. Diego
3. Hughes
4. Bj Penn
5. Karo



Posted by: Doublebase

According to MMA weekly:

Welterweight
1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Matt Hughes
3. B.J. Penn
4. Diego Sanchez
5. Karo Parisyan
6. Jake Shields
7. Jon Fitch
8. Akira Kikuchi
9. Nick Diaz
10. Josh Koscheck



Posted by: ReproMan

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Till then they aren't above him especially BJ Penn. No doubt he has ridiculous talent, but until he actually applies it, he is just another fighter.
Last time I checked the Hughes/Penn series is 1-1, with Penn dominating 2 of the 3 rounds of the last fight. I think this will be a serious wake up call for BJ and we will see a whole new Prodigy.



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Last time I checked the Hughes/Penn series is 1-1, with Penn dominating 2 of the 3 rounds of the last fight. I think this will be a serious wake up call for BJ and we will see a whole new Prodigy.
I hope so, I would really like to see him apply himself.



Posted by: goandykid

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Yea I caught all but the first round of Shonie's fight, meh. Karo is the man though, his fight w/ Diego in the last fight night was sick too. I'm stoked to see the "Nightmare" right meow.
Noone noticed my Super Troopers joke



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Anyone else dislike the way Koscheck fights? Gets a takedown and then just sits there and flails his arms like he is doing something. Those make for the worst fights. A great takedown guy with no GnP skills versus someone who can't defend against the takedown.



Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
Anyone else dislike the way Koscheck fights? Gets a takedown and then just sits there and flails his arms like he is doing something. Those make for the worst fights. A great takedown guy with no GnP skills versus someone who can't defend against the takedown.
Yes. He is very boring. He just wrestles better then everyone he fights. That is how he wins. He does what he knows to win. He is an excellent wrestler, one of the best in the UFC, but that is all does. Hopefully he will get better with age and experience. He looks better now then he did the first season of TUF.



Posted by: ponyboy

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
Anyone else dislike the way Koscheck fights? Gets a takedown and then just sits there and flails his arms like he is doing something. Those make for the worst fights. A great takedown guy with no GnP skills versus someone who can't defend against the takedown.
You just described every Koscheck fight - someone should teach that kid how to actually submit someone instead of just sitting on them. Kind of like Dan Severn used to do - he would get someone on the ground and then sit there with a confused look on his face because pinning the guy didn't make the match end.

I remember back to his fight on TUF with Leben, where Leben complained that he basically sat on him for two rounds, and Koscheck replied a win is a win. And then he has done the same thing his whole career. That's why he's never going to be any sort of contender and Leben is at least a fan favorite. Boring.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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You just described every Koscheck fight - someone should teach that kid how to actually submit someone instead of just sitting on them. Kind of like Dan Severn used to do - he would get someone on the ground and then sit there with a confused look on his face because pinning the guy didn't make the match end.

I remember back to his fight on TUF with Leben, where Leben complained that he basically sat on him for two rounds, and Koscheck replied a win is a win. And then he has done the same thing his whole career. That's why he's never going to be any sort of contender and Leben is at least a fan favorite. Boring.
Exactly. And he is a such a great wrestler and outmatches pretty much any opponent in that area that you'd think it would benefit him to work on his stand up. But then he threw a punch. It looked like he was trying to punch through a brick wall. No technique at all just swung for the fences. I really had a feeling Joslin was going to knock him out bad. His striking was far superior. You could see it in the way they stood and moved. Luckily he is extremely gifted and can take most people down with ease. If he is going to be any competition for guys like Diego Sanchez and St. Pierre, he's going to have work on some other disciplines.



Posted by: goandykid

I love Koscheck's takedowns. Joe Rogan wouldnt get off his dick the whole match.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Yeah no doubt. He has crazy takedowns and super strength. He's like a bigger version of Sean Sherk the way he shoots. But that's it. He's so one dimensional and boring.



Posted by: goandykid

I find his takedowns exciting, but I've always been more for the grappling game and collegiate, HS wrestling stuff.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Yeah I understand what you're saying. But it's MMA. And taking someone down and laying on them for 3 rounds doesn't cut in the long run. Good way to lose fans too.



Posted by: AKIRA

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Yeah I understand what you're saying. But it's MMA. And taking someone down and laying on them for 3 rounds doesn't cut in the long run. Good way to lose fans too.
Like....Royce Gracie???



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Like....Royce Gracie???
Nah Royce submitted most or at least attempted to submit people once they were on the ground. And watching him work for positioning in order to get the submission is very impressive. Koscheck literally does nothing. He doesn't try to pass guard. He throws horrible GnP (if any) and basically waits for the ref to take the fight back up so he can do it over and over. To me it's like playing Madden and taking the play clock to 1 before snapping the ball to waste as much time as possible. It may be good strategy for him, but it's just miserbale to watch.



Posted by: BoneCrusher

Kos sucks balls. He is not in college anymore ... he needs to develop some MMA skills or start buying his tickets to get into the UFC. Joslin got layed on, with the loss going to ground control and take downs. Boooooooohiiissss. If the judges had scored the fight on actual fighting Joslin won hands down. Many conected strikes on his feet AND on his back striking up.

I liked the first fight. Not one for the highlight reels but better than the snoozer Kos put on.

Parysan has waaaay improved his stand up. He dominated the stand up and earned my respect from that fight.

Sanchez is my boy. I loved watching him beat Nick Diez' ass ... cuz Diez is a bitch. I was hopeful when he was in TUF that he would come up and he has. He needs mucho mas trabajo on his striking skills ... he still seems so awkward on his feet. The change up with the flying knee was brilliant. No-one expected him to toss a knee out like that.

I put the top 5 rankings at:
GSP
Penn
Hughes
Sanchez
Parisyan

Sanchez is doing great but in that group he is an infant ... a toddler just learning to walk. He is nowhere near ready for GSP and may never be with out some major increase in his stand up. He knows it too.

BTW ... Hughes was getting his ass kicked by Penn 'til Penn gassed, got his bones broke, then lost. Had he not been saved by the bell Hughes would have lost that fight by sub.



Posted by: Doublebase

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Had he not been saved by the bell Hughes would have lost that fight by sub.
I didn't look like he could get it tight enough to submit Hughes.



Posted by: ReproMan

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I didn't look like he could get it tight enough to submit Hughes.
Would you get off Hughes' schlong for 2 damn seconds?? Hughes is a second rate champion and always will be. His sheer strength, heart and hard work in training has overcome a serious lack of skill for some time now. Only thing is, now there is serious talent in the Welterweight division and he just can't hang. Look for Hughes to retire sometime in 07.



Posted by: Doublebase

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Would you get off Hughes' schlong for 2 damn seconds?? Hughes is a second rate champion and always will be. His sheer strength, heart and hard work in training has overcome a serious lack of skill for some time now. Only thing is, now there is serious talent in the Welterweight division and he just can't hang. Look for Hughes to retire sometime in 07.
But I love him!



Posted by: BoneCrusher

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I didn't look like he could get it tight enough to submit Hughes.
He literally had it locked in ... all Penn needed was another 20 seconds.



Posted by: Doublebase

I think everyone is losing site of how good Hughes is. His performance vs GSP was terrible. "I was not impressed with your performance" as GSP would say. Lets not forget that Hughes defended his belt close to 10 times. These were not schlubbs that he fought either. He is a great fighter and I don't think his reign as champ is over.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Yeah I've always thought Hughes was great too, besides the somewhat cocky attitude he has. I think he just matches up bad against GSP. St. Pierre is ridiculously athetic and talented. The fact that he beat Hughes shouldn't take away from Hughes' credibility.



Posted by: AKIRA

But he was manhandled! Almost like he was scared! I wanna see that fight again.

I think unleashed was on last night and they showed the tito vs. griffin fight again. I remember watching this fight and thinking that it was a griffin win. This time I watched it, I thought it could go either way. In the end, I was very impressed with Griffin's heart and cardio to take such a beating only to show that he can still take it, stand up, and take it some more.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Yeah he definately looked nervous in there like something was wrong with him. He kept smiling knowing that he was inches away from getting KO'd until he finally did. Not at all making an excuse for him, but that wasn't the Matt Hughes I'm used to seeing.



Posted by: AKIRA

I honestly dont think his slams do much. Especially walking around carrying people. Of course, he did win, but Ive gotten slammed before liek they have and it doesnt really hurt.

Well, as long as your head doesnt hit the floor and you dont get the breath knocked out of you.



Posted by: Doublebase

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I honestly dont think his slams do much. Especially walking around carrying people. Of course, he did win, but Ive gotten slammed before liek they have and it doesnt really hurt.

Well, as long as your head doesnt hit the floor and you dont get the breath knocked out of you.
I've seen someone get KO'ed from being slammed in the UFC. It was a black dude, I forget his name. He was on the dudes head and the dude slams him to the ground and KO's the guy. Maybe Eve's Edwards. Not sure.

Hughes puts his shoulder right into the guys sternum and then slams him. Thats gotta hurt or atleast fluster you. Its also a great crowd pleaser.



Posted by: ReproMan

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I've seen someone get KO'ed from being slammed in the UFC. It was a black dude, I forget his name. He was on the dudes head and the dude slams him to the ground and KO's the guy. Maybe Eve's Edwards. Not sure.

Hughes puts his shoulder right into the guys sternum and then slams him. Thats gotta hurt or atleast fluster you. Its also a great crowd pleaser.
I can recall 3 from memory. Evan Tanner got KTFO by a Tito Ortz slam, Carlos Newton by Matt Hughes, and Yves Edwards.



Posted by: IainDaniel

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I can recall 3 from memory. Evan Tanner got KTFO by a Tito Ortz slam, Carlos Newton by Matt Hughes, and Yves Edwards.
Yep Carlos Newton by Matt Hughes. They were both out after impact.



Posted by: goandykid

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Yep Carlos Newton by Matt Hughes. They were both out after impact.
That was great, especially since afterwards MAtt Hughes said he was seeing dots and almost done. He didnt realize he had won for a good 10 seconds.



Posted by: ReproMan

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That was great, especially since afterwards MAtt Hughes said he was seeing dots and almost done. He didnt realize he had won for a good 10 seconds.
My favoite was Tanner getting slammed by Tito. It was their 1st exchange in the match, only 32 seconds into the 1st round, 1st takedown attempt and BAM! Out like a light.



Posted by: Doublebase

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My favoite was Tanner getting slammed by Tito. It was their 1st exchange in the match, only 32 seconds into the 1st round, 1st takedown attempt and BAM! Out like a light.
I believe it was 29 seconds. GOSH! Can't you get anything right.



Posted by: ReproMan

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I believe it was 29 seconds. GOSH! Can't you get anything right.
Heh, actually I looked it up before I posted it. It's 32.

I had 33 originally.



Posted by: Doublebase

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Heh, actually I looked it up before I posted it. It's 32.

I had 33 originally.
He said on Howard that his fastest KO was 29 seconds. I just assummed it was that one since it was so close. He said it was in Atlantic City.



Posted by: ReproMan

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He said on Howard that his fastest KO was 29 seconds. I just assummed it was that one since it was so close. He said it was in Atlantic City.
I'm sure that's what he was talking about then. But it was :32 on the books.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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My favoite was Tanner getting slammed by Tito. It was their 1st exchange in the match, only 32 seconds into the 1st round, 1st takedown attempt and BAM! Out like a light.

Yeah that was a good one. Tito is pretty damn powerful.




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