Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

Starters:
C Chamberlain
SF Bird
PF Karl Malone
SG Jordan
PG Oscar Robertson

Bench:
C Jabbar
C/F Moses Malone
F Erving
F Elgin Baylor
G Magic Johnson
G Bob Cousy
G George Gervin

Close and would like to have them on my team anytime: John Havlicek, Bill Russell, Willis Reed.

Why don't I have Shaq? Poor free throw shooter and playing in a watered down over expanded NBA. Except for Michael Jordan and to a lesser extent Magic, all these other guys played when only the cream of the crop made an NBA roster.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Michael Olowokandi, C,
Tyronn Lue, pg
Eddie Robinson, SF,
Shandon Anderson, SG,
Vladimir Radmanovic, SF,

Originally Posted by goandykid

I don't know if I'd keep Magic at point considering he still belongs at Center.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I have the same list, but I had Air Bud at SG.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

If Isiah Thomas was GM you can bet he'll get the dog.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I have the same list, but I had Air Bud at SG.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

wilt could never handle shaq in his prime.

Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

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Wilt would wipe the floor with Shaq. He was much quicker, stronger and he wasn't fat.

Originally Posted by goandykid

Wilt looked so amazing b/c of the competition he was against...much like Jim Brown being considered the best ever. He was playing against 180 pound linebackers and sub 6 foot db's. Great but not the greatest.

Originally Posted by goandykid

Shaq would have his way w/ Wilt. Look how Shaq has dominated everyone else at the center position, including Yao easily.

Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

Yes, in a watered down league. Can you even name ten starting centers in the league today?

When Wilt's 76ers won the 67-68 title, there were twelve teams in the league. He played each team 6, 7, or 8 times a year. That year, other centers in the league included Willis Reed, Bill Russell and Nate Thurmond. Wilt had to play each of these guys 6 or more times. Other than Yao and maybe Tim Duncan (who is really a power forward), is there any other dominant center today? How many times does Shaq play Yao each year? 3?????

Wilt was a lean, strong, super machine even in that era and if you fed him today's foods and supplements, he'd be a monster and I say it again, he would embarass Shaq.

Originally Posted by goandykid

Great and valid point, but what I was saying was that I don't think Wilt would be the number 1 center in today's game. It has changed sooooo much since then and the people wIlt was shooting over would be the towelboys in today's game.

Originally Posted by goandykid

Agreed. Jim Brown is still in my top 5, dont get me wrong.

Originally Posted by goandykid

Emmitt barely makes my top 5(if at all), he got the record through time and an amazing team the majority of his career.


I wonder where LT will be 10-15 years from now. Quickest ever to 100 touchdowns in SEASONS less than barry.

Originally Posted by goandykid

Yea, people don't realize how much teh game has changed. There has never been a center like Shaq before, and the fact that he could go 30 points, 20 rebounds in today's game is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by the nut

Olajuwan handled Shaq in the finals, granted Shaq was young, but I would like to see those 2 go at it when they were both in there primes.

Jabbar could handle Shaq too, he would pull Shaq away from the board to gaurd him, and you know he'd piss all over him. However, I think Shaq would benefit now that that the zone is legal.

Originally Posted by Double D

Wilt is one of the if not the greatest player to ever play the game. You put Wilt against Shaq in this era with weight lifting and people just naturally being taller and better built, Shaq wouldnt be able to hold his own.

Originally Posted by goandykid

Then again, Shaq def isnt in his prime now, and I don't remember who the Lakers other big players were 5 years ago.

Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

If you leveled the playing field, such as giving those earlier era players the same supplements, etc. they'd wipe the floor with today's players, who cannot shoot, do not have basic fundamentals and whom many came to the league way before they should have ( leaving college early or not even going to college at all) because of the money.

Wilt would wipe the floor with Shaq. He was much quicker, stronger and he wasn't fat.

Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

If you leveled the playing field, such as giving those earlier era players the same supplements, etc. they'd wipe the floor with today's players, who cannot shoot, do not have basic fundamentals and whom many came to the league way before they should have ( leaving college early or not even going to college at all) because of the money.

Wilt would wipe the floor with Shaq. He was much quicker, stronger and he wasn't fat.

Originally Posted by the nut

Green, Horry, Fox, Rice, Grant... That's all I can remember.

Originally Posted by goandykid

Exactly, they'd have Mourning rotate over to KAJ now instead of forcing Shaq out to the wing. Then again, Shaq def isnt in his prime now, and I don't remember who the Lakers other big players were 5 years ago.

Speaking of Shaq and the Lakers, I'm reading Phil Jackson's book on them right now, The Last Season.

Kobe really is an asshole.

Originally Posted by goandykid

Yea I was letting up on him till he let loose on my man Gilbert Arenas after Gilbert took a 60 point shit on him a couple weeks ago... and then this book tears him a new one, and Phil is a classy fellow.

Originally Posted by goandykid

And its not Phil's personal opinion, its an event description, the books written as a journal or diary

Originally Posted by bio-chem

barry sanders
walter payton
jim brown
emmit smith

Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

Top 5;

Payton
Brown
Emmitt Smith
Earl Campbell
O J Simpson

5A; Gale Sayers

Back to the topic, you guys sparked my curiousity. I'll check out Phil Jackson's book.

Originally Posted by goandykid

How in the hell is Barry Sanders not in that list?? He nearly broke all the records in 9 YEARS on one of the worst teams in that era! 4-5 more years and he'd hold the most rush yards in a career by thousands.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

i thought about posting the same thing. then i realised someone who cant come to that conclusion on their own is really beyond all help

Originally Posted by goandykid

OOOOOOH. Not statistics. So we'll jsut go on your gut feelings then. Do you honestly think Campbell made up the entire Oilers team? were there 22 Campbell playing all positions? Barry had NO ONE. The Oilers had a consistently solid oline and a decent to good defense the entire time Campbell was there. And if you add in durability, Campbell is the first one out.

Also, the pass receiving running back ever was Marshall Faulk, or maybe even Reggie Bush after this year. Your reasons for making a list like that is porous at best.

Originally Posted by goandykid

OOOOOOH. Not statistics. So we'll jsut go on your gut feelings then. Do you honestly think Campbell made up the entire Oilers team? were there 22 Campbell playing all positions? Barry had NO ONE. The Oilers had a consistently solid oline and a decent to good defense the entire time Campbell was there. And if you add in durability, Campbell is the first one out.

Also, the pass receiving running back ever was Marshall Faulk, or maybe even Reggie Bush after this year. Your reasons for making a list like that is porous at best.