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Posted by: Malley

Reason for a new journal is a cut is in place and its about time. I figured I need to be taking in around 3,000 calories a day to make an effective and slow cut. I did this with my past journals. And as I go I will add or subtract food. I am pretty excited about this and fellas this is where I was talking about you guys getting down right mean with me about my diet!!!

So heres the workout that I have put together. This will be starting as of Friday.

Workout A
Bench-11-15 reps with rest pauses
Squat-4-6 reps with one week having a widowmaker
OH Press-11-15 reps with rest pauses
Dips or skulls-11-15 with rest pauses
Laterals-2x10

Workout B
Deadlift-4-6 reps (not real sure if this is it or not, waiting for some help from Stewart with this)
Rows-11-15 with rest pauses
Chinups-15-20 reps with rest pauses
Curls-15-20 reps with rest pauses
Hypers-2x10

This will be a 3 day a week workout. I will be doing cardio 3-4 days a week. Along with a bat speed drill Trips posted about a month ago.

My diet will look something like this:

Breakfast
Either 3 whole eggs or 1 whole egg and 4 whites
1/2 cup of oats
2 cups of yogurt

3 hours later
1 can of tuna or chicken breast
vegtable
brown rice
fish oil

Lunch
Steak or Chicken
broccoli (up to 4 cups)
Brown rice or red potato

3 hours later
Egg Whites (6-8 of em)
Oats (1 cup)
Vegtable
I need to add some Olive oil here, but probably fish oil

Dinner
Chicken or Steak or Salmon
Brown Rice (1 cup)
Vegtable
Olive oil (If I didnt have it last meal)

3 hours later
Chicken or Fish or steak
Some fruit
Almonds

I will also add fruit as it becomes avaliable to me. My wife doesnt buy much fruit, I normally dont eat it much.

My current weight is about 215 and I am looking to get to 200 or a little below. I want to drop 1-2lbs a week 2 being the most.

Well there it is, lets get this shit started!!!

Posted by: fufu

Just wanted to have the first reply.

Posted by: fufu

It appears as if you are doing some sort of dogg crap training?

Posted by: Malley

Yes this is right. I needed a switch westside wasnt cutting it anymore. Camaro suggested this and Stewart help me put this together.

Posted by: Pylon

Nice new digs you got here, Dub.

Posted by: Malley

I like it. I think I did a nice job of presenting a new journal....what do you think?

Posted by: Triple Threat

Posted by: Malley

Damn Trips you that happy I got a new journal?

Posted by: Malley

Damn guys I did a search on DC training here and there is alot of bad blood about it here. Most of the threads are locked. Now thats kind of crazy.

Posted by: Triple Threat

You must have missed the excitement. There was a guy with a screen name of Iron Man, had his own subforum for a while, and tried to pawn off a training program similar to DC as his own. The originator of DC came here and basically called him out, a flame fest occurred, and that's why most threads got locked. Even if the thread started out worthwhile, with TOM and FR getting in the middle of the fray, you can see why things kept getting out of hand.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Damn Trips you that happy I got a new journal?

A new place to post whore!

Posted by: Malley

What do you think would happen if I started a DC thread? How long would it take to get locked?

Posted by: Triple Threat

Given that IM is a gentler, kinder place now, it should survive.

Posted by: Malley

This is true. With the likes of Foreman, Myk, Tough, and a few others it never did take long for a thread to get destroyed.

So I made one.

Posted by: Pylon

I missed all that excitement as well. I remember "Iron Man" when he started his sub thread, but I never read much of it. Oh well...

Posted by: camarosuper6

Ill keep an eye on this one for sure.

I wouldnt call this DC training, but I like it none the less. Similar no doubt.

Its very brutal....and dont forget the extreme stretches at the end of each bp.

go to intensemuscle and do a search if you like.

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Yes this is right. I needed a switch westside wasnt cutting it anymore. Camaro suggested this and Stewart help me put this together.

Dc is upper/lower why the squats on upper? This shouldnt be locked for you doing DC.

Kick some ass D!

Posted by: AKIRA

You do know that sequels normally suck?

Ive asked this before and I dont know why I keep forgetting but what are rest pauses again?

Posted by: Malley

Cam Ya this isnt DC, but it does take some of their ideas and add my own little twist. I think it will be interesting. Along with it being interesting will being able to hear your comments about it. First workout is tommorow.

Brutus It ought to be interesting to see how this works. I know its going to be super hard!

AkiraThe sequels do suck sometimes, but not this one! Hell the Rocky sequels didnt suck. And rest pauses are going to failure stopping for 15 deep breaths and going again until I get 11-15.

Posted by: Brutus_G

Godfather 2 rocked!

Posted by: Malley

Todays diet was a little out there becuse I was in a hurry today and I didnt have time to bring the food with me shopping with the wife.

Breakfast
7 whites
2 yogurts (sf, ff)
Oats (1/2 cup)
Fish oil

2 hours later
Foot long subway club w/ wheat bread
diet soda
*I was out and about and it was either this or some other fast food and this was the best choice.

2 1/2 hours later
2 yogurts 12 grams of protein each
fish oil

30 minutes later
4 cups of broccoli

This is so far today. I will post the rest as it comes throughout the night.

Posted by: Malley

BTW-No cardio today, hamstrings are sore!

Posted by: Pylon

That's the best time for cardio!

Posted by: Burner02

Yo, D!
Dam...that's a LOT of food! I'm stuffed..and I only read about it....

Posted by: Malley

I figure my maintenence cals is around 3500 so I am shooting for around 3200. We shall see how it goes.

Last meal

1/2 cup of brown rice
1 chicken breast
1 orange
Fish oil

Posted by: Brutus_G

Diet doesnt look to bad to me. I like to see that fish oil in there. Maybe some more veggies

Posted by: Malley

Yeah I need more vegtables. They take so much time to prepare and thats normally what I dont have, time.

Posted by: Burner02

really? I open the can...drain the can...drop them into microwave safe dish...heat and serve...

Posted by: Malley

I dont think canned greans are good for ya

Posted by: Pylon

Canned veggies have a lot of sodium, so they could stand a rinse, but draining them should help. I get the frozen stuff. Poke a few holes, toss the whole bag in for 4 or 5 min, ready to go!

Posted by: Malley

Yeah I do get me some frozen broccoli now and then. I like it ok. Its not the best, but its not bad either. Along with that I like cauliflower and brussel sprouts as well. I will have to make it to the store tommorow and get this taken care of. Krogers here I come. I am going to raid the frozen section!

Posted by: Pylon

I usually stick with either spinach or the normandy mix (broc, caul, carrots)

Posted by: Malley

I dislike spinach, but I love the other one of your choices.

Posted by: Pylon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

I dislike spinach, but I love the other one of your choices.

Just the frozen or fresh too?

Oh, and I forgot that green beans get time in the rotation on occasion as well.

Posted by: Malley

Spinach is general.

I like green beans from the can, but I try to leave those out since they are out of the can. Frozen ones do suck the big one!

Posted by: AKIRA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D;1531458[B

Akira[/b]The sequels do suck sometimes, but not this one! Hell the Rocky sequels didnt suck. And rest pauses are going to failure stopping for 15 deep breaths and going again until I get 11-15.

Thats what I though they were. 11-15 after failure? Whats the rep scheme on the way to failure? Same thing?

Posted by: Malley

Your shooting for a rep arpund 7 to 8 on your first failure. Then try for 3-4 more then probably 1-2 more. So its kinda 3 sets wrapped into 1.

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

I dont think canned greans are good for ya

I get canned green beans, PACE salsa with mushrooms!!!! sugar free and protects your prostrate!, romaine lettuce with sugar free salad dressing(splenda added), mushrooms bell peppers and onions go good together steam fast and taste good raw.

Posted by: Malley

My taste buds dont want me to be healthy. I hate onions, mushrooms, and most peppers.

Posted by: Pylon

It's ok to hate onions. They're the devil's weed...

Posted by: Malley

This is true!

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pylon

It's ok to hate onions. They're the devil's weed...

He smokes em?

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

My taste buds dont want me to be healthy. I hate onions, mushrooms, and most peppers.

You must like salsa

Posted by: AKIRA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Your shooting for a rep arpund 7 to 8 on your first failure. Then try for 3-4 more then probably 1-2 more. So its kinda 3 sets wrapped into 1.

Ohhh now I see what you mean. Hmm. Not sure if I like the idea...

Posted by: Malley

Brutus I dont really care for salsa. Just not my thing.

Akira I dont know if I like it either, but hell I am open for new things. I am goin to give it a try. Just watch my progress and then you can tell from that whether its worth a shit or not.

Posted by: AKIRA

The first thing I thought of was chance of overtraining.

Posted by: Malley

I hear that alot about DC. Its only 3 days a week along with it being more like 3 sets per exercise. Yes there is failure, but I am kinda up in the air, but I will give it a few weeks and see.

Posted by: AKIRA

3 sets of failures?

Well, you never know until you try and if youre bored with your current program, you better check it out then.

Posted by: Malley

Thats the first thing that I thought. 3 sets to failure. Sure does seem like alot.

Posted by: Malley

Just doesnt seem like it takes to long for you guys to fill up my journals.

Posted by: Brutus_G

When i did DC i gained muscle pretty good. I just always was mentally fatigued and felt over trained.

Posted by: Malley

No kidding. Thats is pretty nuts. You felt overtrained, but yet you still made good gains. That is odd.

Posted by: Stewart20

they say the program might border on overtraining, come to think of it, you want to cut right? you might have to be especially careful then with the rest pausing.

I am of the opinion that if you did one all out set per exercise, you will do just fine on your cut. just make sure you keep the sets heavy, like no more than 8 reps per set. The key to a successful cut is to keep the weights heavy, or as heavy as you can if you are feeling weaker.

the rest pausing in effect is really still only one set...i mean, usually you are lucky if you get half the reps of the first set, and half of that on the second rest pause. so while you can consider it 3 sets to failure, it really only is one. If you get 8 reps on the first "set", you would be very lucky to hit 4 on the first rest pause, then you would be lucky if you got 2 on the last. you are still so tired from the lack of rest, that while you "fail", it's not the same as doing a set to failure, resting 2 minutes, doing a set to failure, resting 2 minutes and doing a set to failure.

just keep your protein really high, and you should be alright

Posted by: Malley

If I was to cut out the rp's what kind of sets and reps would you go with Stew?

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

If I was to cut out the rp's what kind of sets and reps would you go with Stew?

one all out set, 6-8 reps, on all the big compounds. think quality, not quantity....

I know you have done 375 or so, I forget for a bunch of reps on the squat....after doing a bunch of other squatting sets. now, think about warming up and doing ONE working set with 405 on the bar for 5 or 6 reps. Now don't you think that would be enough for squats? And don't worry, you hit it AGAIN only 4 or 5 days later! It is enough, trust me

Posted by: Malley

Then trust you is what I will do. So should I ramp up to the weight or just get ready and loose and start the one set?

Posted by: Malley

Last meal was

chicken breast (very large one, and I like large breasts)
2 cups of yogurt
small apple
fish oil

Posted by: Triple Threat

Posted by: Malley

Whats up with that? No love?

Posted by: Triple Threat

I was laughing at the chicken breast comment.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Bedtime for me. 4 am comes early.

Posted by: Malley

Yes it does, see ya later Trips. Dream of nice big breasts.

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Then trust you is what I will do. So should I ramp up to the weight or just get ready and loose and start the one set?

nahh, just warm up regular, no ramping...2 or 3 warmups should do depending on the exercise.

Posted by: Malley

Alrighty. I will run this for about a month and then probably change it from there.

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Alrighty. I will run this for about a month and then probably change it from there.

lets see if you actually last a month...heheh

lets see if I actually last a month

Posted by: Malley

We never last 2 long with our programs, but maybe thats why we have the strength we do? Who knows. I know my body very rarely gets used to a workout. I was on westside for almost 3 months.

Posted by: Malley

So Stew should I still shoot for 11-15 reps or go lower?

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Hey DD. What is this about large breasts?

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Yes it does, see ya later Trips. Dream of nice big breasts.

I dreamt about large scary monsters. I guess I shouldn't have taken off my glasses before I read your post. I thought you said Dream of nice big beasts.

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

So Stew should I still shoot for 11-15 reps or go lower?

no,. it was 11-15 reps total INCLUDING the two rest pause sets, but if you do the straight sets, stick to 6-8 reps.

A set of 300x8 on the bench press isn't going to make you feel like you need more

Posted by: BulkMeUp

On a previous cut, i did 2 full body wo's and 1 day of complexes along with cal cycling. Found that to be very effective for me.

Posted by: Malley

JD Nice to see your around. I know everyone likes large breasts. Trips just read it wrong and a bad dream came out of it. Poor fella.

TT That sucks, dreaming about nice big ole breasts wouldve been muc much better!!!!

Stew Got my first workout in about 30 minutes. I am going to do 11-15 reps with rp's. I will let ya know how it goes.

BMU I am going to stick to this and see how it goes, it I dont like it I will try something else. I normally dont do to much carb cycling at the beggining. A simple diet plan for about a month is all I need, then I get into other things.

Posted by: Malley

BTW- This is my diet journal. So here is my last meal last night and my meal today.

Last night before bed-2 cups of low carb sf yogurt and 1/4 cup of almonds

Today
5 whites
1 cup of yogurt
5 fish oil
handful of grapes
1/2 cup of oats

Posted by: Malley

Postworkout meal
1 1.2 scoops of whey mixed in water
1 medium banana
1/4 cup of quick oats
CEE
Vit C
Vit E

Posted by: Pylon

I'd like to be the first to point out your workouts were posted in your nutrition log, and your food posted in your workout log. See, trying to keep up 2 journals is a lot of work!

Posted by: Malley

Ya I see that. Rob did it wrong, but its cool. I will just do what the title says. I will copy and paste and start from there.

Posted by: Malley

Just finished and I am spent!

Pull DC

Deadlift
370x6, number 7 was failure

DB Rows
125x8
rp
4
rp
2

Pullups
bw=25x8
rp
4
rp
2
* Did pullups instead of chins because I had to workout at home and had to hang from the rafters. Cant get my hands around it in chin position

Bar Curls
90x8
rp
4
rp
3
rp
1

*threw in 1 extra rp.

Hypers
bw+35x10 (2 sets) Hold 2 seconds at the top of these
RI-30 seconds at most

BB holds
225x30
225x40
225x20
*RI 30 seconds at most

Workout time-30-35 minutes

After this ridiculous shit, I also did;
10 50 yard sprints
*These topped it off nicely, because I could feel myself wanting to puke.

Nice workout though, I cant say I enjoyed it, however it was effective!

Posted by: Malley

So now I got it straightened out. I am not going to delete the nutrition I wrote in this, one but from now on I got it the way I want it. This is training and the other is nutrition. I dont imagine the nutrtion one will get much hit, but I sure hope so because thats what you guys need to stay up on me about.

Posted by: Brutus_G

So you want use to be picky?

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Rob did it wrong,

Posted by: Malley

Of course I want people to be picky. I would rather they be more picky with my nutrition part of it, but any suggestions in the training aspect of it would be appreciated as well.

Posted by: Triple Threat

I'm glad to see you're not doing rp's on the deads. That could be dangerous.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

10 50 yard sprints

Posted by: Malley

Fuckin sprints suck!

BTW- I will be whoring in all journals tonight at work! I hate work, but I love whoring!

Also rp's on deads could get bad! I just dont know if 1 set only is enough?????

Posted by: fufu

Damn, I thought I left a comment here...hmmm, well looks like a successful workout.

Posted by: Malley

You left one in the other one. I had to erase and post and copy to get the right stuff into the right journal.

Posted by: fufu

Ohhhhh, right right.

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Fuckin sprints suck!

BTW- I will be whoring in all journals tonight at work! I hate work, but I love whoring!

Also rp's on deads could get bad! I just dont know if 1 set only is enough?????

Yeah D be careful on the deads.

Posted by: Malley

One set enough?

Posted by: AKIRA

125lb DBs for rows? Damn. Thats ahead of me I think.

Posted by: Malley

I was getting the 145's for 6 strict reps. Now those are tough! But in the shadows of the program that weight sure was tough!

Posted by: Malley

I have now looked into extreme stretching and I am going to do it.

Posted by: Pylon

Share the link (if you got one)!

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

One set enough?

YES!!!

And I wouldn't really label what you are doing as DC training...it is DC-Like...you have taken some of the principles and used them, but you are NOT doing DC training. I just wanted to tell you that before anyone else jumps all over you for that....just label it push or pull or whatever

unless you are doing the routine to a T, then you really aren't doing DC....

Posted by: Malley

Yeah Stew I mentioned I used some of the DC ideas and things like that in my DC training thread.

Hey Pylon theres a thread in like the second page of this thread.

Posted by: Malley

So I decided to workout today.

Basically an upper push because my legs and lower back were so damned sore.

DB Bench
95x9
rp
95x4
rp
95x2

OH Press
155x9
rp
155x4
rp
155x2

Skullls
115x9
rp
115x5
rp
115x2

Laterals
30x10
*easy
40x10
*strict on every rep.

Hanging knee ups
bwx20
bwx20

Ab Lounge
bwx25 (4 sets)

Side Bends
40x20 (2 sets)

Crunches
2 setsx20

Bat Speed Drill-10 reps with each weight of bats. (bats went from about 45-50 ounces (heaviest), then the 30 ounces I swing, and then the lightest being a broom stick.
This goes 10 hacks with each bat. This circuit goes through 3 times.

Workout time-55 minutes (with weights)
Workout time-10 minutes (bat drill)

Posted by: Malley

So I think I am going to have to drop the DB presses and use a BB. Simply because I cannot do the DB's easily because we have to use the little oly bar on each and it takes a ton of effort to put them down and then hoist them back up. Its not like we can rack it and go back to it. I would love to stick to db's beings my strength is increasing with em. Any ideas guys?

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

So I think I am going to have to drop the DB presses and use a BB. Simply because I cannot do the DB's easily because we have to use the little oly bar on each and it takes a ton of effort to put them down and then hoist them back up. Its not like we can rack it and go back to it. I would love to stick to db's beings my strength is increasing with em. Any ideas guys?

Use DBs till your shoulder feels better. You could then use pec flys for the chest. Wide grip dips maybe

Posted by: Malley

Well the dip bar he gots doesnt move and its about average. I am not a big fan of flyes, I dont see them improving my bench strength. I think my shoulder will be ok, I was just trying to find something else to do in the mean time. Dammit I need a gym membership! To bad the closest is like 45 minutes away, I defnitly wont be driving there.

Posted by: Malley

BTW-Did extreme stretching today as well, it hurt, but felt good at the same time, kinda wierd.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

I need a gym membership! To bad the closest is like 45 minutes away, I defnitly wont be driving there.

Do you live out in the country? It's hard to believe that there aren't any gyms within a closer driving distance. I don't blame you. I wouldn't drive that far either.

Posted by: fufu

Back to the old westside stuff, I'm curious to how much you trained your benching technique. Did you ever read any articles on how to better your technique?

Posted by: Malley

Trips There really isnt. I live in the country. I live like an hour from Springfield Illinios. Which even Springfield is po-dunk.

Fufu I read some articles, but it was just the proper techniques on how to bench. Nothing really comes to mind in adding to your bench. I know they preach alot of back and tricep work. As you do your ME stuff once a week you really arent suppose to do regular bench other than your dynamic days. Instead you are suppose to do things like; board presses, floor presses, close grip incline presses, etc. As far as benching to get your bench up, there really isnt any.

Side note I am sore as fuck!

Posted by: fufu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Trips There really isnt. I live in the country. I live like an hour from Springfield Illinios. Which even Springfield is po-dunk.

Fufu I read some articles, but it was just the proper techniques on how to bench. Nothing really comes to mind in adding to your bench. I know they preach alot of back and tricep work. As you do your ME stuff once a week you really arent suppose to do regular bench other than your dynamic days. Instead you are suppose to do things like; board presses, floor presses, close grip incline presses, etc. As far as benching to get your bench up, there really isnt any.

Side note I am sore as fuck!

I'm not talking about assistance training. There are elite level powerlifters and strength coaches who would disagree with you. They really preach that working on your bench technique can improve your bench alot.

Posted by: fufu

Here's an article for you.

http://www.elitefts.com/documents/pr..._the_bench.htm

Posted by: Malley

I have seen all of that before. I dont think it was that exact article, but westside has all of that on their main website.

Posted by: Malley

I would really like some ideas on what to do to incorporate DB bench into my routine without having to resort back to BB?

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

I would really like some ideas on what to do to incorporate DB bench into my routine without having to resort back to BB?

i don't think i am understanding your question......If you want to DB press more and not BB press, then just do DBs.

Posted by: Malley

Well P, if you look back you will see what I mean. I am doing a total push and a total pull routine. On my push day I am doing DB's however, I am incorporating some ideas from DC (the idea of rp). You see it is very tough for me and my partner to lug these weights up and down and still try to get the rest in thats needed. I feel like I am spending those 10-15 seconds resting, lugging weights back up into position to do another set. Understand?

Posted by: Brutus_G

If only you didnt bench so damn much

Posted by: Stewart20

yeah, you can't really do dbs with rest pausing. I am going to attempt it with the shoulder press, but still I can see that becoming a pain in the ass as well...db bench is definitely out for me, as lugging up 130lb dbs after 20 seconds of rest isn't gonna cut it

Posted by: Malley

Brutus I am only benching about 3/4 of what I am wanting to.

Stewart Yeah I figured they were out for now. I love doing them though. I think one day a week I will run rp on bench and the other day I will knock out 4 sets of DB bench close to failure.

No training today as I am suffering from some serious DOMS. It is pretty ridiculous actually.

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Brutus I am only benching about 3/4 of what I am wanting to.

Stewart Yeah I figured they were out for now. I love doing them though. I think one day a week I will run rp on bench and the other day I will knock out 4 sets of DB bench close to failure.

No training today as I am suffering from some serious DOMS. It is pretty ridiculous actually.

or, you can always just straight set the db work....for instance, if you want to include db bench into a rp workout rotation, just do a straight set with the dbs...I might do that on shoulder press, just do a straight set instead of rest pause...

it seems to me you are having a real hard time grasping that one intense set to failure is enough for you....don't forget your frequency here...you don't want to overdo it with lots of sets....

Posted by: Malley

Yeah your right. So do one set of rp with the BB and then a straight set with the DB?

Posted by: Pylon

Happy New Year...wait a minute. Didn't I do this already?

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Yeah your right. So do one set of rp with the BB and then a straight set with the DB?

yeah, that's what I would do

Posted by: Brutus_G

Happy new year D!

Posted by: Malley

Happy New Years to all of you as well. Even though it doesnt feel like New Years. Hell I am at work!

I forgot to add I didnt traing at all today. This was a much needed day off! And boy did I need it. I played video games all night at work. A buddy had a PSP and I tore that motha up!

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Happy New Years to all of you as well. Even though it doesnt feel like New Years. Hell I am at work!

I forgot to add I didnt traing at all today. This was a much needed day off! And boy did I need it. I played video games all night at work. A buddy had a PSP and I tore that motha up!

You know hydrogenating oils doesn't sound to bad.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

I played video games all night at work.

No wonder you have all that energy left over for workouts.

Posted by: Malley

Brutus Yeah I like to make America overweight and send them to an early grave.

Trips Oh yeah video games all night long, it was awesome, I think I will do it again tonight.

Pull workout
Deadlift
135x10 (2 sets)
225x8
370x2 *Stopped due to extreme pain in my lower gut!

Pulldowns
200x8
rp
200x4
rp
200x1

Cable Rows
200x10
rp
200x4
rp
200x1

DB Seated Curls
40x9
rp
40x4
rp
40x2

Shrugs
225x10

Workout time-50 minutes. I had a workout partner today, so it took a while.

Posted by: Pylon

Nice work, Dub! What was the pain? A pull, cramp, or something you ate, maybe? Hope its nothing serious...

Posted by: Malley

Well I only had some whey and flax before my meal. So I dont know. I have heard plenty of people talking about pain from a hurnia in that location, but I dont know. I figured I would go on the safe side and stop.

On a side note I got so pumped up driving home from work last night, thinking about how awesome 07 will be. I will be bigger, faster, stronger, and leaner. I cant wait.

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

On a side note I got so pumped up driving home from work last night, thinking about how awesome 07 will be. I will be bigger, faster, stronger, and leaner. I cant wait.

You're silly

Posted by: Pylon

Right on. Just 'cause you ain't a noob doesn't mean you can't get cranked up for the new year.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

I have heard plenty of people talking about pain from a hurnia in that location, but I dont know. I figured I would go on the safe side and stop.

Could be a couple of things in that area. Wise choice to stop. Do you think it might have been too big a jump from 225 to 370?

Posted by: Burner02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

I will be bigger, faster, stronger, and leaner. I cant wait.

Happy New Year, 'bionic man'!

I thoght hernia too....be careful...I think the weight jump was too much...maybe next time...just ease up to it...a couple warm up sets at hight weight till u get to target range...

Posted by: Malley

Ya you guys are right I think the weight was increased to quickly.

Posted by: Stewart20

yeah, warm up more next time....one time I was db benching after squatting and I thought the squats properly warmed me up enough , so I jumped right to 130lb dbs without warming up...yeah, that was a mistake, won't do that again...

Posted by: Malley

So another long night of video game playing here at work. It sure was nice. Different from what normally goes on here.

Posted by: Pylon

Sweet. Good work if you can get it...

Posted by: Burner02

what were you playing?

Posted by: Brutus_G

I've never had any glute pain only lower back on deadlifts. So do you feel ok D? Feel any bigger?

Posted by: Malley

Yesterday
BB Bench
255x7
rp
255x2
rp
255xneg+1 forced rep

Squat
400x4 PR

Oh Press
155x10
rp
155x3
rp155x2+1 negative

Dips
bw+2 platesx16
rp
bw+2 platesx9
rp
bw+2 platesx3
*Underestimated myself here a bit.

Side Raises
45x10
45x10

BW-212

Today I decided to go hit some softballs. I tell you guys I hit one call every bit of 380. I will swear to this. I nailed this ball. There was a road about 100 feet past the fence and I hit it on there. Some car ran over my ball and we lost it (good thing we had a bucket full). It was nice to know I still have it. Oh it was a 525 ball as well. But w/ a stock synergy extended. It was one hell of a tomahawk swing. I can tell after all this hard work I put in over the off season my grip strength and back is so much more stronger and my bat speed is phenominal!

Posted by: Malley

Oh I am not doing this anymore either. I will post my next routine, I simply dont like it. I find myself very tired all the time. I am instead going to go with something high volume and working out 3 days a week.

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Oh I am not doing this anymore either. I will post my next routine, I simply dont like it. I find myself very tired all the time. I am instead going to go with something high volume and working out 3 days a week.

Your stopping DC training? I stopped for the same reasons.

Posted by: fufu

Yeah DC doesn't appeal to me very much either. Never tried it and I don't want to.

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by fufu

Yeah DC doesn't appeal to me very much either. Never tried it and I don't want to.

It killed my libido and i felt like shit.

Posted by: Archangel

Hope you had a Great New Year my Friend!!! You have some impressive w/o's in here, sorry to hear your switching routines, but I know you'll rip it up whatever you decide!!!

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Squat
400x4 PR

Today I decided to go hit some softballs. I tell you guys I hit one call every bit of 380. I will swear to this. I nailed this ball. There was a road about 100 feet past the fence and I hit it on there. Some car ran over my ball and we lost it (good thing we had a bucket full). It was nice to know I still have it. Oh it was a 525 ball as well. But w/ a stock synergy extended. It was one hell of a tomahawk swing. I can tell after all this hard work I put in over the off season my grip strength and back is so much more stronger and my bat speed is phenominal!

on the squat PR.

Getting the softball itch already? I've been doing the bat drills prior to every outdoor cardio session. I've still got 4 more months before we even think about getting out there.

What kind of bat is the synergy? Composite? Double Wall? Single?

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brutus_G

It killed my libido and i felt like shit.

Really, just from the DC training?

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Funny, I was just thinking I need to go back on JerseyCrapp! It is taxing, and I think you only need to do it for 4-6 weeks or so, before you must take a break.

Posted by: Malley

Brutus Me and my workout partner are definitly looking for a change. Just not enjoyable and I want my workouts to be enjoyable.

Fufu I wouldnt recomend it. Just not for me.

Archie I am going to go with a 3 day push/legs/pull. I need a seperate day for legs. One day with all just doesnt cut it for me. I have got different reps and sets each week.

TT The Synergy is a composite bat. Very legal, and my brother says not broke in, however I think it is, haha. We got our first tournament March 31rst, if not sooner! The 400 for 4 reps made me very happy!!!!

JD Good to see your posting here again, I guess Jerseycrapp is your equivalent of dogcrapp?

Posted by: sara

Hey stranger

Happy new year!!!

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

The Synergy is a composite bat. Very legal, and my brother says not broke in, however I think it is, haha.

If it wasn't broken in, you might be looking at 400 ft!

How big are the fields where you play? If you're hitting 350+ and the fences are only 300, doesn't it turn the game into HR derby? Or are you one of the few who can hit it that far?

Posted by: Malley

Sara Hi nice to see you.

Trips The fields i am accustomed to playing on is like 310-320. Biggest was 375 last year. I hit one that hit the base of hit in the air. There are a handful of guys who hit with my distance and one who out hits me. Hes a huge guy. His arms are every bit of 20!

Posted by: BulkMeUp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Squat
400x4 PR

awesome!

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple Threat

Really, just from the DC training?

Yeah it worked well(muscle wise) but there are plenty of programs that work as well or even better for me without making me feel like shit. Not to say HIT is bad just DC was very tough on my CNS.

Posted by: Archangel

I hear ya, I HAVE to have a seperate day for legs sometimes too, just gets too taxing!!! I'm doing an Upper/Lower split and LOVING it!!!

Posted by: Malley

Well guys heres another shitty workout I put out. I dont understand whats goin on?

BB Bench
225x10
235x8
235x6
205x10 *Easy

OH Press
135x10
145x8
155x5
105x10 *Easy
*I am so exhausted at this point!

Close gip Bench
185x10
185x8, failure

Side Raises
30x10 (3 sets)
*This is a super light weight

Workout time-40 minutes

Rest in between sets was 1 min 45 secs-2 mins.

What is the deal guys? Was it just alot of reps or what? I felt really weak.

Posted by: Bakerboy

^ Maybe you need to take a week off- rest up. Our bodies have their own way of telling us who's boss. When was the last time you took time off?

Posted by: Malley

About 2-3 months ago.

Posted by: Malley

BTW-This is for Brutus. I decided to do some hang cleans the other day. did 3x10 with 185. Those are tougher than I remember.

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

BTW-This is for Brutus. I decided to do some hang cleans the other day. did 3x10 with 185. Those are tougher than I remember.

Oh yeah? THats some pretty good numbers for a while off you still must have it. I wouldnt go over 10 reps when doing cleans. I also think you need to take time off or just go really light for 1 week like 5-6 reps from failure.

Posted by: Archangel

Just my opinion, but I think you need to take a week off, and cut some volume down!!!

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archangel

Just my opinion, but I think you need to take a week off, and cut some volume down!!!

I agree with Arch. If you can't stand to not workout at all, how about a deloading week?

Posted by: Tom_B

2-3 months is exactly the perfect time to take a break .. every 8-12 weeks you should rest, whether it be a week of COMPLETE rest or a week with two or deload workouts. I know right around 8-12 weeks for me exercises stop progressing and I might even lose reps ... a for sure sign it's time to relax.

Also During this time I would eat a good dose of Protein/Fats AND carbs while sitting at maintenance calories. Your body not only needs a break from training every once a while, but also from dieting.

Other than that how are things going??

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_B

2-3 months is exactly the perfect time to take a break .. every 8-12 weeks you should rest, whether it be a week of COMPLETE rest or a week with two or deload workouts. I know right around 8-12 weeks for me exercises stop progressing and I might even lose reps ... a for sure sign it's time to relax.

Also During this time I would eat a good dose of Protein/Fats AND carbs while sitting at maintenance calories. Your body not only needs a break from training every once a while, but also from dieting.

Other than that how are things going??

I smell a debate coming!

Posted by: Malley

Everyone I have been gone for a few days which is unusual for me. I am taking 5 days off. Whatcha think is that enough? Last day I lifted was Friday and I am not going again until Weds.

I got a bar story it includes me throwing a guy through a table. You guys will love it, will post it later.

Posted by: camarosuper6

I love to rest and deload.

I usually break in some way every 4-6 weeks.

Posted by: Burner02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Everyone I have been gone for a few days which is unusual for me. I am taking 5 days off. Whatcha think is that enough? Last day I lifted was Friday and I am not going again until Weds.

I got a bar story it includes me throwing a guy through a table. You guys will love it, will post it later.

how about a whole week?
and..I gotta hear this!

Posted by: Malley

Well went to the bar last night and me and my buddy walk in. As soon as we get there I have a guy come up to me and ask me and my buddy, what are you guys drinking? I say, bud light, my buddy says Keystone. Well He comments back to us, So your drinking Keystone and you look like you need a punch in the face (to me). I started laughing. I told him well do what you gotta do dont hold back. So after a few words were exchanged I walked to the bar to get a beer. About 10 minutes later I saw him coming after me. I stepped to the side and pushed him into a bar table gashing his head wide open. I actually walked away at this point. I went to the bartender and demanded a free beer, because this was horse shit that he spilled my new beer. So he kept looking at me the whole night. Right before I left I walk up to him and say, well I am leaving you wanted to be a big shot and hit me from behind now yours chance. i will walk out and you can come at me from behind, but you had better knock me out because I am going to make both eyes match. I went outside waited 10 minutes. His brother comes out, and says you arent going to fight my brother, I say so am I goin to fight you because I would love that just as well. He says well no yadda yadda yadda. My buddy ends up ripping my shirt off and saying to this guy, do you want to really fuck with him. By ripping my shirt off it was ripping the sleeves off of my shirt. It was funny, but now I am not so happy because he ruined my shirt. So I ended up telling his brother to get his happy ass back inside before I fuck him up. He walks back in and out walks 3 guys, but behind them walks out 2 of my buddies. At this point I was so ready.

Story will contiune later.

Posted by: Burner02

do u have 'come fuq w/ me' tattoed on your forehead?
I NEVER have these problems.....

1) your friend drinks...keystone?
2) he riped your shirt off?

answers:
1) introduce him to a better beer...that swill is only good when u are a poor student
2) shoulda punched him for ruining your shirt...and as he was picking himself off the ground...look at the other guys and said: He's my friend...what do u think I'm gonna do to you?

Posted by: Malley

Ready for what was the question. I had no idea what condition these guys were in. I was told from another guy that these guys were huge crack heads and werent so much drunk as they were cracked out. And if anyone knows about trying to fight a crack head you know you have to really beat them to even get anywhere. They feel nothing. So picture this, theres about 5 of them and 4 of us. I am thinking I like my odds since the guy who wanted to start something with me was a soaking wet 170lbs. I was thinking this should be over quickly. Right before something happened the cops come flying in with their lights on. I was actually made to leave. I asked the cop do you really want me driving he said, "I dont care just get outa here, I know these guys you are fuckin with and I dont like where this is going!". At this point I am thinking wtf? Why is he picking sides with these guys? I am completely thrown for a loop on this one. I call my buddy who is from there. I tell him the whole story he tells me the cop actually buys stuff off of these guys. So I guess to make a long story short, nothing happened whenever the guys came out the door other than the cops pulling up and running us off. This was fine with me at this point, I was so drunk I am not real sure I could do much at this point anyways. I probably wouldve lost to the guy weighing in at 170lbs, haha.

Burner to answer your question, I think alot of people underestimate me sometimes simply because like my buddy says, "He doesnt look like much, but you ought to see him under that big shirt.".

Ya he did ruin my shirt, but he also said he would pay for it. I also think alot of people like to start things with me because we are the new guys out of town and we are always going places where we know no one. And at these po-dunk bars its easy to pick out the new guys. Besides I am your typical Abercrombie guy. I wear the Abercrombie clothes and things like that, so sure I am an easy target sometimes, but hey I like it that way, it makes it fun. Its a little better than my buddy, he likes to wear pink shirts now and then, and that has trouble written all over it!

Posted by: Triple Threat

You need to find a classier type of bar. Either that or start going with an army.

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burner02

do u have 'come fuq w/ me' tattoed on your forehead?
I NEVER have these problems.....

1) your friend drinks...keystone?
2) he riped your shirt off?

answers:
1) introduce him to a better beer...that swill is only good when u are a poor student
2) shoulda punched him for ruining your shirt...and as he was picking himself off the ground...look at the other guys and said: He's my friend...what do u think I'm gonna do to you?

CLASSIC!

Posted by: BulkMeUp

regular fight magnet, arent you

I'd stay away from those type of bars. Not worth the trouble. Who needs crack-head zombies to fight with

Posted by: Stewart20

dude, I know you're only 25 and all, but you have a family, don't you think you should try to be a little more aware of that before you go and rumble with people? One of these days the law of averages states that you will get your ass handed to you HARD....now do you want your kids to see you all beat up for no reason?

of course, if people start with any member of your family, you have full reign to kill them for all I care, but to start nonsense bar fights with crackheads is a little silly at this point, to me anyway. If you were single, hey, that's another story, but that's just me. Personally, I love to look the part, but in reality, I would probably get killed if in a fight, I am not a fighter at all, I am a lover

...but, at 5'10" 225 lbs, at least I might look like someone not to fuq with, so getting big acts as like a built in deterrent

Of course, if I HAD to throw down, I am sure I could splatter a 170 pound person on the pavement, but I would rather not have to find out....

Rant over.....
although I do have to admit, these are very entertaining stories!!!

Posted by: Triple Threat

There's a lot of wisdom in Stewart's post. You can probably handle yourself in a fist fight, but what if some drunk or doped up jerk pulls a gun?

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple Threat

There's a lot of wisdom in Stewart's post. You can probably handle yourself in a fist fight, but what if some drunk or doped up jerk pulls a gun?

Ah, good point Oh Wise One....Totally true, that is the one thing that stops me from confrontations 9 out of 10 times is the thought of the other person having a weapon. One on one, mano a mano, I have no problems taking on anyone, hey, if you can beat the crap out of me, so be it, but once they take out knives, guns, etc, that is just not worth the risk.

DD, talk to Burner about that one

Posted by: yellowmoomba

Good story

Posted by: Tom_B

Your break sounds perfect! (lol it's actually what I'm doing .. last lifted on Friday and I plan on starting back up Wednesday).

LOL Brutus why are you so against carbs? What did they ever do to you?

And RE: on the bar story...
BAHAHAHA! omg I'm losing it laughing! You almost got into a brawl with a bunch of coke heads, but then a bunch of dirty cops showed up and save their dealers! LOL such an amazing story, defintly keep that one in the back of your head.
I don't know why but this reminded me about the other day ... me and my friend were talking about her childhood - and her most strongest memory is eating Pizza at 3am with her family. See her dad use to be a bouncer, so he would come home every morning around 3 or so with a large pizza while everyone was sleeping. And becuase he was always drunk he'd stumble a bit wake everyone up, so they'd all go downstairs to see him, open the pizza, grab a wet cloth to wipe off the blood from his knuckles while he tells them all about the fights he got into that night. LOL her family would gather around her father at 3am, wiping blood from his knuckles as he tells them his latest bar fight story. She loved it.

(But yes .. it is dangerous.. you never know how fucked up the person you're dealing with is. However you gotta have a bit of adventure in your life! hahaha just try not to get into stuff with coke heads who deal to cops.)

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_B

Your break sounds perfect! (lol it's actually what I'm doing .. last lifted on Friday and I plan on starting back up Wednesday).

LOL Brutus why are you so against carbs? What did they ever do to you?

They made me fat thus causing me to develop a eating disorder for a long time. Also it should be noted that they are the reason most people are fat. Most people have some allergy's to gluten. People have a fat ass tolerance for carbs(except 1/4 of the population). Carbs make one hungry. When i say carbs I'm excluding fruits and veggies except potatoes. Its easier to overeat carbs then protein and fat.

Posted by: fufu

I think the reason most people are fat is because they are lazy and don't want to change their lifestyle and eating habits.

Posted by: Brutus_G

Its very hard to have a binge on steak and broccoli.

Posted by: Archangel

Sorry to hear about your altercation my Friend!!! The break is the best thing you could have done, now when Wed. comes around, LOOK OUT!!!

Posted by: fufu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brutus_G

Its very hard to have a binge on steak and broccoli.

So you avoid it all together! If you are eating generally healthy a cal binge now and again won't hurt you too much, let alone make you obese.

I think I'm gonna binge tonight actually. Large pepperoni pizza here I come! Ahhh, I'll make it a medium, I'm trying to eat healthy!

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by fufu

I think I'm gonna binge tonight actually. Large pepperoni pizza here I come! Ahhh, I'll make it a medium, I'm trying to eat healthy!

Don't forget the diet soda.

Posted by: fufu

How could I forget!!

Posted by: fufu

My plans have been dashed! No medium pizza for me tonight. Sigh

Posted by: Tom_B

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brutus_G

Right there with you, I use to be overweight, and developed a eating disorder myself, so I know where you're coming from.
But heres the thing Brutus, carbohydrates themselves DID NOT MAKE US OVERWEIGHT. The combination of excess calories + inactivity + highly processed carbohydrates containing little/no fiber, vitamins or minerals + Low protein is what made us overweight. We would sit on our ass all day and eat junk.
There is nothing wrong or to fear about whole grains such as oatmeal, oat bran, brown rice etc. They provide FIBER, VITAMINS, MINERALS! They're HEALTHY and by no means will they make you "fat" (especially in combination with a solid training routine performed at the correct intensity + frequency, and a good dose of protein and fats to accompany them.). How can you argue the fact that eliminating an entire food group as being part of a healthy diet? Hell Its extremely arguable that even eliminating carbs from your diet would even be good for body composition! Carbs play an important role in hormonal production, and your argument that carbs make you hungry is debatable as well. A good amount of Fiber (which can be found in the carbs you avoid) + Healthy fats + Protein is going to have the greatest satiety effect on your hunger.
But yes I agree with you .. you don't see too many people binging on steak and broccoli (I could however..), but I can guarantee you someone that sticks to eating only protein + veggies will eventually binge. Your setting your body up for one, you deprive yourself for so long and your body will let you know. However you treat your body well, you give it healthy amounts of everything it needs (including all those good vitamins/minerals found in carbs) and you can just sit back and watch the magic happen on body compostion.
Look at my gallery - I eat carbs, tons of them. But that hasn't prevented me from getting lean, if anything it has actually helped! (ps I'm actually a bit leaner now than what I am in those pics ... while eating carbs!)

Living a healthy lifestyle, while maintaining a healthy body means Balance. You can't find Balance whilst you deprive your body of something as essential as carbohydrates.

Posted by: Pylon

Hey Dub -

Quick story. I knew a guy who was sitting in a bar and had some kid get all up in his grill. Dude looked at him, leaned back and said "You know, the interesting this is you don't know the first thing about me or who I am." Then he went back to his drink. Dude slinked away.

The point is, you never know who is out there. Be careful. Good story, tho.

Posted by: Malley

Me and my buddy were talking and this whole story just seems unreal to me. I cant get over the nonsense that did happen. Normally my fights are over my wife. Someone gets smart with her and then a fight ensues. I am not the one who starts the fights however. You know I would think that at 5 foot 10 and around 210 people would think it through, but the fact is they dont. I have taken my lumps in the past and handed my share out, however I do agree with Stew. The thought of him pulling a knife and them being about 10 to our 2 was definitly scary. I know sometimes I need to swallow my pride, but damn its tough. If I stay around home this normally doesnt happen, but seems like every damn time I leave the county I get put through some dumb shit like this.

On another note you guys wont believe this:::::

I think my wife is preganant!!!!!! We shall find out for sure tommorow, but I need a boy I got 2 beautiful girls, but I need a boy.

Oh and training starts WEDS!!!!! I cant wait!!! I want to go back to westside, what do you guys think?

Posted by: Pylon

Fantastic news, Dub! My wife is due with our second boy at the end of next month. Good luck!

Posted by: Burner02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewart20

yeah...blades suck...

Posted by: Burner02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Me and my buddy were talking and this whole story just seems unreal to me. I cant get over the nonsense that did happen. Normally my fights are over my wife. Someone gets smart with her and then a fight ensues. I am not the one who starts the fights however. You know I would think that at 5 foot 10 and around 210 people would think it through, but the fact is they dont. I have taken my lumps in the past and handed my share out, however I do agree with Stew. The thought of him pulling a knife and them being about 10 to our 2 was definitly scary. I know sometimes I need to swallow my pride, but damn its tough. If I stay around home this normally doesnt happen, but seems like every damn time I leave the county I get put through some dumb shit like this.

On another note you guys wont believe this:::::

I think my wife is preganant!!!!!! We shall find out for sure tommorow, but I need a boy I got 2 beautiful girls, but I need a boy.

Oh and training starts WEDS!!!!! I cant wait!!! I want to go back to westside, what do you guys think?

wahoo! Hopefully, congrats, D!

yeah...you being a little largetr than your average guy and muscular...people are gonna want to test you. My friend; 6'2" , 210 and lean/musclar...I hear about some of the same type of stories he has to tell...
maybe 'cause I am all of 5'9"...I don't get messed w/ like that?

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Damn D, possibly 3 kids at age 25 WOW! I am 32 and just on my first, hehe.
you really need to post some pictures of yourself on here so we can see what all the fuss is about. We need a visual for all these crazy stories!

on to the training....why don't you just try some instinctive training for a couple of weeks until you know for sure what you really want to do. Meaning, have a general idea of what body parts you want to do, but just do whatever exercises and set/rep scheme you feel like doing on that day. Of course, try to follow some kind of progression so you aren't spinning your wheels, but I find it's a nice change when you are undecided about a set routine to follow, just do whatever you feel like. As long as you keep increasing the weights, you should be fine

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burner02

does your friend go out of his way to make sure people see his muscles? By that I mean does he wear tight shirts, or really tight short sleeve shirts in the winter time, you know, the kind of thing that overly draws attention to the fact that he is muscular?

you know those guys, you see them at bars in the middle of winter wearing tight ass ribbed t-shirts, while everyone else is wearing long sleeve shirts or sweaters. I have to laugh at them cause it is so obvious what they are trying to do, and maybe that's why people start with them cause they are just asking for it maybe?

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_B

I never said to never eat them. You should always have a carb up when on low carb diets. I also never said to eat only steak and broccoli, you should also eat healthy fats from varied sources. Veggies from varied sources should be eat protein from varied sources should be eaten. It can be argued that our ancestors didn't eat carbs(in the since of grains). There are more important nutrients in fruits and veggies of bright colors than carbs if you had to choose veggies or carbs(for health reasons) i think you would choose veggies. Also it should be noted i never said there was anything wrong with black eyed peas, chick peas so on. If you eat nuts,fruit,and veggies you get plenty of carbs. While i was eating 3000 calories i was eating 120g of carbs all that came from was nuts,seeds,veggies(including black eyed peas),and fruit. That 120g of carbs was 60g of fiber. The total amount of carbs to fiber is almost always higher in veggies than in carbs ie
green beans 120G serving 4g of carbs 2g of fiber. 20 calories

oatmeal(quaker old fashioned) 40g serving 27g of carbs 4g of fiber. 150 calories

Now thats a pretty crap amount of fiber per carbs.
Oatmeal
DV of
vitamin a 0% vitamin c 0% calcium 0% Iron 10%

Green beans (in a can)
DV of
Vitamin a 6% vitamin c 2% Calcium 4% iron 4%

It is also well noted that high carb diets cause inflammation so many problems stem from this ,but a few of the very well know ones are heart disease, ashma, and arthritis. First thing most notice after 1-3 weeks of low carb dieting is the lack of joint pain(if preexisting) also this is one of the main reasons we take fish oil is to prevent inflammation.

The final point i would life to make is that you should eat fresh foods, grains are usually not fresh and can last for a while(this excludes a couple like bread and so on).

Posted by: camarosuper6

Im like you. Confrontation doesnt bother me. I like people to get in my face, because I usually eat them alive.

But the older Ive gotten, and especially with a wife and daughter, the more my wife has to bring my ego back to reality.

No matter what it may LOOK like... you never know what the other person has in mind. Not just weapons, but just being mentally nuts.

I understand where your coming from, and I probably would have had a similar reaction.

But now I try to think more logically. I try to imagine that my daughter is everywhere I am, and how would I act if she were watching me.

It works pretty well.

Posted by: Archangel

Brother D2, Awesome news, hope she is pregnant!!! Wishing you nothing but the BEST my Friend!!!
Excellent post by Brother Camaro too, just be careful my Friend, you have 2 little ones, a wife and possibly a third on the way, things could have gotten ugly and you would never know, Not trying to preach, hope I didn't upset you, just letting you know people care!!!

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Oh and training starts WEDS!!!!! I cant wait!!! I want to go back to westside, what do you guys think?

I for one like westside. Even though I do go off and experiment with other types of training periodically, I always enjoy coming back to westside.

Westside is like the faithful girlfriend, always there when you want/need it and the other training programs are flings, immensely enjoyable, but eventually you get tired of it.

Posted by: Malley

PY Thanks buddy.

Burner I never wear anything to show off what I have worked for. I always wear button up shirts in the winter. I truelly dont get it.

Stewart I know I am never the guy who starts it, I am normally so laid back!
As far as instictive training I may try that for a while see how it goes.
Oh and its very wierd my wife gets negative on every pregnancy test she tries, but on the last 2 she was prego anyways.

Cam That is very solid advice. Its funny you say that because my girls was the first thing I thought about after that happened.

Archie Its ok, sometimes I need some sense talked into me.

Trips Old girlfriend huh? haha

Posted by: Burner02

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Originally Posted by Stewart20

he wears normal t-shirts...regualr shirts and has some fitting shirts.
I dunno..maybe he just has 'that look'?

heh...I wear tight shirts in the club..short shirts....all year long...

Posted by: Tom_B

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Originally Posted by Brutus_G

I know you meant 'never eat carbs' and that you advocate Carb ups alot, I also know you never meant to only eat broccoli and Steak. The point that I was trying to get across is that one does not have to live a life on low carbs, with periodic carb ups, and that one who deprives themselves of carbs (By eating veggies+protein+fats) are going to end up craving them.. which can potentially set them up for binge patterns.
I was merely saying that living a low carb lifestyle isn't practical, and doesn't need to be done.

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It can be argued that our ancestors didn't eat carbs(in the since of grains).

Just like it can be argued that back a few hundred years, the rich were associated with always feasting on things such as roast beef, lobster etc. Mostly fats and protein. And the poor were stuck with 'the poor food' which included mostly stuff like oatmeal. Weirdly enough the rich were the fat ones, and the poor were always thinner... key word being that the rich would FEAST on food. Once again it comes down to calories. (Showing that it's calories in vs calories out that make people put on weight.. not necessarily carbs vs protein.)
I know that one can survive without eating grains, but how healthy are they? How practical is that in todays society?

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There are more important nutrients in fruits and veggies of bright colors than carbs if you had to choose veggies or carbs(for health reasons) i think you would choose veggies.

Well that's kind of a general statement..
If someone were to ask me - So for this meal should I have a cup of broccoli or a bowl of oatmeal? Which is healthier?
There are so many variables, whether said person trained that day, if they train at all, what their other meals for the day look like, what there total calories were for their other meals etc.
(But you're right, veggies are extremely healthy, and if someone were to ask me that I would almost always tell them either way to eat the broccoli, then asses to see if they needed the oatmeal or not.)

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Also it should be noted i never said there was anything wrong with black eyed peas, chick peas so on. If you eat nuts,fruit,and veggies you get plenty of carbs. While i was eating 3000 calories i was eating 120g of carbs all that came from was nuts,seeds,veggies(including black eyed peas),and fruit. That 120g of carbs was 60g of fiber.

I honestly will never understand why one would bulk on low carbs.. just doesn't make sense to me...
1/ Carbs are cheaper on the wallet than protein
2/ Carbs are going to give you a more easily accessible source of energy, so you can go heavier and harder in the gym.
3/ Carbs are protein sparing.
4/ Carbs are less thermogenic, therfore you'll save some calories.
5/ Going to aid in repair
And so on and so on.

But if Low carb bulking works for you, then all the more power to ya!

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The total amount of carbs to fiber is almost always higher in veggies than in carbs ie
green beans 120G serving 4g of carbs 2g of fiber. 20 calories

oatmeal(quaker old fashioned) 40g serving 27g of carbs 4g of fiber. 150 calories

Now thats a pretty crap amount of fiber per carbs.
Oatmeal
DV of
vitamin a 0% vitamin c 0% calcium 0% Iron 10%

Green beans (in a can)
DV of
Vitamin a 6% vitamin c 2% Calcium 4% iron 4%

See Green Beans And Oat bran, yes the green beans are going to have more fiber (that's obvious) but they're both sources of their own different vitamins/mineral, not just those four.

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It is also well noted that high carb diets cause inflammation so many problems stem from this ,but a few of the very well know ones are heart disease, ashma, and arthritis. First thing most notice after 1-3 weeks of low carb dieting is the lack of joint pain(if preexisting) also this is one of the main reasons we take fish oil is to prevent inflammation.

Sorry .. but I'm going to say this is too 'broad' of a comment. To say whole grains can be linked to things such as heart disease .. well just doesn't work for me.
Same thing could be said for a high fat, high protein diet .. it's just way to broad of a comment.

*Just to let you know Brutus I'm not saying everyone should always be following a diet with a moderate - high level of carbs. I do believe that low/no carbing it with timed refeeds do have their place in someones diet, especially depending on their goals. I'm just saying that for optimal health one shouldn't be living off a low carb lifestyle indefinitely, and that they'll be missing out on a lot of different vitamins/mineral and to a certain extent fiber.
This debate came around when I told DoubleD to eat some carbs during his break. The point of a break is rest, recover and repair - to get ready to hit the gym harder and stronger when you get back. And carbs will certainly help with that, and help get him out of his current 'rut' of shitty workouts with lowered strength. Remember Carbs aren't just going to affect ones physique, but strength in the gym as well.

LOL I think the whole carb thing could be argued over and over for years..there's tons of evidence supporting your claims, and tons supporting mine. Its really going to come down to trial and error, personal preference and what works for you and your body. So lets agree to disagree

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Good Debate though, it's nice seeing things from someone else perspectives.

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Originally Posted by Tom_B

So lets agree to disagree

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Good Debate though, it's nice seeing things from someone else perspectives.

Agreed Tom. I would like to say one more thing. The rich could afford to gorge on pastries(which they did) they ate meat to prove their status this doesn't mean they ate alot of it. The poor usually couldn't eat enough to maintain weight so they ended up fat skinnys(fat from the crap carbs like beer ,pastries,bread,and so on.) A high fat diet raises testosterone one of the keys to muscle.

I think it is very possible to live a very healthy life with just protein,veggies,fruit,and healthy fats.
Once again Tom good to debate with you man.

LOL i know there are more than 4 vitamins and minerals of importance lol.

Posted by: Brutus_G

On one last thought i don't consider oatmeal,sweet potatoes, and beans crap carbs.

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I came in here looking for a workout but I found myself looking at Brutus' avi

Posted by: Malley

Well guys today is my first workout in a week. I hope it has been a productive week off. If I keep losing strength like I have been I am not going to be very happy. Whats the use of carrying a little more bf around if I cant be as strong as I want to be.

Oh and good argument Brutus and Tom. There sure was alot of writting in there. My wrists hurt looking at it.

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