Originally Posted by BigDyl

Hard to call.

Renzo by decision.

Originally Posted by Doublebase

Wrong!

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Don't you have something better to do?

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Shamrock's ground games is outstanding. On his feet he he is as good a Renzo ... Frank will win.

Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68

I am going with Frank by TKO. He is still one of the best, if not the best MMA fighter pound for pound today.

Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I've always liked him too bro. I'd love to see what he could do in the UFC again. A rematch between him and Tito would be awesome.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Rickson by armbar

Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68

The whole gracie family by fuglyness.

Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Wait what about Rickson's 600-0 record ???? LAWL

Originally Posted by ReproMan

It's got to be in the 1,000's by now, c'mon!

I heard he choked out the Loch Ness monster and arm bared Bigfoot. IN THE SAME NIGHT!

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Biased much?

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Biased much?

Originally Posted by fufu

Well I just pretty much said I was biased. However, Renzo did seem kind of cowardly not standing up with Sakuraba.

DISCLAIMER: Now I know there could be a million good reasons why Renzo didn't stand up by that is how I saw it.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Showtime's site ...

ELITE XTREME COMBAT: ELITE XTREME COMBAT (Not Rated - VL) This debut event of Elite XC, a brand-new mixed martial arts organization that pits combatants against each other in a chain-linked "cage," features Frank Shamrock, the first middleweight titleholder of Ultimate Fighting Championships, in a bout against veteran MMA fighter Renzo Gracie, from Southaven, Massachusetts. Hosted by former pro wrestler Bill Goldberg and actor Mario Lopez ("Dancing with the Stars"). SCHEDULE:

All times ET/PT. Showtime


Tomorrow 10:00 PM Showtime Too
Tomorrow 12:00 AM Showtime Extreme
Sunday 8:00 PM Showtime Extreme
Monday 10:00 PM Showtime Extreme
Tuesday 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by maniclion

[/size][/font] THAT'S IDKWTF

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Dumbfuck ... I'm just tryin to post off the Showtime site to answer a question in a complete manor.

Interesting TIVO note ... Spike is airing Ultimate Knockouts 1 & 2 tomorrow night while Showtime runs Shamrock vs Gracie.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Here's what I've hacked together with a 'lil cut -n- paste ... enjoy:

Showtime and Elite XC Announce Debut Fight Card adding to the previously-announced main event pitting Frank Shamrock (Pictures) and Renzo Gracie (Pictures), Showtime and Elite XC revealed eight bouts for their Feb. 10 mixed martial arts debut at the DeSoto Civic Center in Southaven, Miss.

The televised card kicks off at 10 p.m. EST/PST.

Undercard contests will be streamed live via proElite.com starting at 7 p.m. EST. Sign-up is free.

Check out the EliteXC Odds from The Venetian Las Vegas, NV:
R Gracie +300 vs F Shamrock -400
W Correria +130 vs A Silva -160
J Villasenor +190 vs D Loiseau -240
C Bennett +150 vs KJ Noons -180
And the first time ever booking a Women‘s MMA bout!
J Kedzie +110 vs G Carano -140

Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Damn I wouldn't mind at all if Gina Carano put me in a triangle.

Originally Posted by ReproMan

Great post. Thanks BoneCrusher.

Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Here's a highlight reel of Frank:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=24wLpz64MKk

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

anyone watching the streamed fights?

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Here's what I've hacked together with a 'lil cut -n- paste ... enjoy:

Showtime and Elite XC Announce Debut Fight Card adding to the previously-announced main event pitting Frank Shamrock (Pictures) and Renzo Gracie (Pictures), Showtime and Elite XC revealed eight bouts for their Feb. 10 mixed martial arts debut at the DeSoto Civic Center in Southaven, Miss.

The televised card kicks off at 10 p.m. EST/PST.

Undercard contests will be streamed live via proElite.com starting at 7 p.m. EST. Sign-up is free.

Check out the EliteXC Odds from The Venetian Las Vegas, NV:
R Gracie +300 vs F Shamrock -400
W Correria +130 vs A Silva -160
J Villasenor +190 vs D Loiseau -240
C Bennett +150 vs KJ Noons -180
And the first time ever booking a Women‘s MMA bout!
J Kedzie +110 vs G Carano -140

Originally Posted by the nut

Knee from the bottom? Side mount?

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

This was a bullshit fake out from Gracie to win a fight in which he would have otherwise been knocked in.

Originally Posted by the nut

Thanks man.

Turned the damn Tivo on for nothing. At least UFC greatest knockouts were on tonight.

Edit.... and the chick fight!

Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68

It was a great fight card. Frank owned renzo and he knew it. Hence why Renzo bithched out. The knees weren't intentional, but they should have been. Renzo got side mount and just layed there while frank tore his ribs up with his knees.

Originally Posted by the nut

I have to say the fights I saw were entertaining, too bad the main event went of like that.

I noticed Herb Dean was working one of the fights, did he get fired by UFC?

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Nah he is a working ref. He ref's in most American MMA franchises. He was the ref in the Gracie/Shamrock fight ... and the one who made the call on the DQ.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Henzo would have gotten the decision anyways.

Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Krazy Horse. He's always like that. I've seen fights where the bell rings at the beginning of the fight and he jumps up on the top of the cage and gets the crowd into it before he fights. He's always flippin around and shit too. He's got crazy knock out power though.

Originally Posted by AKIRA

ummm VID?!

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Henzo would have gotten the decision anyways.

Originally Posted by Doublebase

ummm that is illegal.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

ummmmm youtube?! Sorry but it's the redneck version.

Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Better than no version. Thanks pal.

Originally Posted by Doublebase

You can't even spell his name right. You'r a fuckin idiot. Stop it. You are always wrong and will continue to be.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

You can't even spell "You'r." Whooptee doo, I had a typo. At least I'm not the MMA wannabe expert who lost 10 bucks.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

If frank can't play by the rules he deserves to lose. Apparently he was doing illegal punches/knees the whole match.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Shamrock did two knee strikes to the head ... only illegal because they hit the BACK of the head. Otherwise knee strikes from the ground to the front or side of the head and the body were deemed to be legal. Apparently you weren't aware of that. Apparently you do not know MMA very well. Apparently you should learn MMA better before you hit the submit button in an MMA thread. Apparently you are a Gracie fan and have no real relationship with reality. I remember when what's his name ... that old Gracie that Hughes destroyed ... was beaten down severely. You lost it and couldn't accept the defeat of your hero. Is this a flashback? Does another Gracie getting waxed exceed the abilities of your coping mechanisms? Your posts normally make me laugh BigD ... I hope you don't go crazy over this and get all

Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Originally Posted by the nut

Wow..... Shamrock dominated from his back. Renzo and Royce need to get out of this sport, they're an embarrassment to the family now. Total acting job. Glad the fight wasn't PPV.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

thanks for posting ignorant crap in my thread after i specifically asked people not to.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Easy sparky ... I am still trying to cope with you calling Frank Shamrock a clown ...

Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

jesus christ relax I'm about to change it. I didn't read the thread I just saw the title and the pics. Wow. I didn't realize a fat bitch would make someone so mad.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

i could post some sexy gay guys in here the thread title contained "romantic images". there is nothing romantic about an image that aims to make people feel disgusted.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

there is nothing romantic about an image that aims to make people feel disgusted.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Shamrock did two knee strikes to the head ... only illegal because they hit the BACK of the head. Otherwise knee strikes from the ground to the front or side of the head and the body were deemed to be legal. Apparently you weren't aware of that. Apparently you do not know MMA very well. Apparently you should learn MMA better before you hit the submit button in an MMA thread. Apparently you are a Gracie fan and have no real relationship with reality. I remember when what's his name ... that old Gracie that Hughes destroyed ... was beaten down severely. You lost it and couldn't accept the defeat of your hero. Is this a flashback? Does another Gracie getting waxed exceed the abilities of your coping mechanisms? Your posts normally make me laugh BigD ... I hope you don't go crazy over this and get all

Originally Posted by BigDyl

I used to think you were cool. Now I'm having second thoughts.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

I didn't actually get to watch it so I'm going by hearsay. But I did watch the renzo and shamrock post fight videos. I also read the fight commentary, and sherdog had gracie winning the first round.

If someone hits someone else with an illegal strike intended or not, that is not allowed. Also if the opponent cannot continue, it's a DQ. Those are the rules, and if you don't like them, you shouldn't be watching it.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

It looks like you're trying to gang up on me with the usual suspects. I don't really care. Not taking the bait.I used to think you were cool. Now I'm having second thoughts.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

The people that post there are mostly assholes who spend more time insulting people then discussing the sport.

Originally Posted by AKIRA

You can be be caustic, he can take it.

How many knees were there to the head? 2? 3?

It really didnt look that unsportsman like to me. I wouldve given a warning (one I know he heard) and possibly stood them up...possibly.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

... you're not one of them and I don't want you to think you are. We cool homie ... no worries.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Ahh fuck you guys man com'n ... I just don't wanna be an asshole to the guy for no reason is all. I'd be nice to you too if I'd inadvertently hurt your feelings. Don't beat me down over that ...

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

*EDIT ...
I just re-watched the knee part and Herb did see the knees and was halfway reacting to them. He had approached a little closer and it seemed as though he was saying something ... in the ring interview he states he had warned Shamrock. I'm thinking he gave Gracie the inspiration. "Ohhh shit the ref just called him out to stop the knee strikes on the back of the head ... I can bitch out and maybe get the DQ off of the foul". Anyone with tourney experience has been there and had it happen to them. If you ask your opponent "Hey was that a bad hit?" they always say "IT's the ref's call" and shrug ... but that is the minors not the big show.

Originally Posted by Doublebase

Who the fuck is Bennet? I don't know much about this guy but what a character. His style is awful though. Hands are low, I love how they put "street fighting" under his style and thats it. I kept seeing him on camera during the other fights. He was everywhere. He was entertaining but what joke. I would love to see Ken Flo submit his ass in a min.

Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

*EDIT ...
I just re-watched the knee part and Herb did see the knees and was halfway reacting to them. He had approached a little closer and it seemed as though he was saying something ... in the ring interview he states he had warned Shamrock. I'm thinking he gave Gracie the inspiration. "Ohhh shit the ref just called him out to stop the knee strikes on the back of the head ... I can bitch out and maybe get the DQ off of the foul". Anyone with tourney experience has been there and had it happen to them. If you ask your opponent "Hey was that a bad hit?" they always say "IT's the ref's call" and shrug ... but that is the minors not the big show.

LOL ... remember too that Shamrock has recently knocked out the other Gracie that was there in the corner with Renzo. Caesar Gracie was Renzo's manager and got knocked the fuck out in his meeting with Frank

Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68

I felt bad for Caesar. He got demolished.

Originally Posted by maniclion

Frank With A Flying Double Exodus Judo Chop!!!!

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

The loser gets eaten by this guy ..