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Posted by: the nut

What do you guys consider the best as far as sweeteners and dairy for your coffee?

Right now I use cream and 2 splenda in a medium coffee. Should I be switching to skim milk or equal?

Posted by: katt

I personally don't use any sweetner or cream, but I would think splenda or equal would be ok. How about a non-dairy creamer instead of the cream?

Posted by: Luke95

I'd be more worried about the stimulant effects than the sweeteners. If anything, some simple sugars with the coffee would be more benifician than just 'black'.

Posted by: Yanick

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I'd be more worried about the stimulant effects than the sweeteners. If anything, some simple sugars with the coffee would be more benifician than just 'black'.

And how are simple sugars better then no sugar on a cut??

I drink my coffee black with a splenda or two, depending on the size of the cup.

Posted by: Luke95

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And how are simple sugars better then no sugar on a cut??

a couple grams of sugar will help antagonize a rise in cortisol levels. By a couple, I mean 3-4 max.

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I drink my coffee black with a splenda or two, depending on the size of the cup.

It really depends on the person. It's something to put into consideration though. There are way too many factors to tell somebody one way is better than the other.

Posted by: Yanick

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a couple grams of sugar will help antagonize a rise in cortisol levels. By a couple, I mean 3-4 max.

Was not aware of the caffeine/cortisol connection. I stand corrected, but will 3-4g of sugar really work to antagonize cortisol? As far as i know sugar antagonizes cortisol via insulin. I'm sure if one eats around meal time the food would be insulinogenic enough to alleviate any possible cortisol related muscle wasting. Also its a decision one should make, whats worse on a cut...insulin or cortisol? Neither is really desirable.

Nevertheless, i learned something new today. Which means its a good day

Posted by: Luke95

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Was not aware of the caffeine/cortisol connection.

Any stimulant will increase free glucocorticoids. As well as any stressor, wether it's dehydration, ambient temperature, or being chased by a lion

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but will 3-4g of sugar really work to antagonize cortisol?

Absolutely! Ever notice the size of a glucose tabs? It's amazing what a couple grams will do for a balance (* that you are willingly working towards.)

Posted by: Yanick

I need to do some digging around about this. I can't imagine the rise in cortisol being a great one. As well other hormonal factors must be balancing out the whole cortisol rise phenomenon, otherwise people who take eph/caff/clen would just shrivel up and lose tons of muscle mass, and we know that that just doesn't happen.

Posted by: Luke95

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whats worse on a cut...insulin or cortisol?

Are you suggesting that you cannot lose weight while staying calm?

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Neither is really desirable.

I think you need to consider the roles of each of those molecules.

Insulin is all about packaging. Wether it's pulling glucose (with or without an amino acid) into a cell, H2o sol. vitamins ect.

Diet, is all about efficiency. The idea is to package everything in a manner that you see best fit.

Besides, the cortisol without the insulin... just leaves you breaking down tissue into a macromolecule without anything to package it! Catch 22 or whatever they call that shit.

Think about a diabetic getting his bg under control. He is going to LOSE his gut.

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I need to do some digging around about this. I can't imagine the rise in cortisol being a great one.

It would completely depend on the individual and his or her diet (and ethnicity)

A Russian wouldn't be able to imagine a Chinese male of the same size getting drunk so fast.... unless he understood the role of alcohol dehydrogenase. We may all be Human. But none of us are the same. Period.

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otherwise people who take eph/caff/clen would just shrivel up and lose tons of muscle mass, and we know that that just doesn't happen.

This isn't a really good expirement. This would suggest that a person that doesn't do ECA stacks would just would gain weight uncontrolably.

Also, you mentioned clen. Clen gained it's popularity because it minimizes the stress responses while on a deficit. (unfortunately, also zapping ATP) Clen would be on my side of the argument. I, personally think clen sucks though.

Albuterol is another story though. Breathing is fun.

-nite

Posted by: Yanick

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Originally Posted by Luke95

Are you suggesting that you cannot lose weight while staying calm? I don't see what 'staying calm' has anything to do with this. And i'm not talking solely about losing weight but losing weight and holding on to muscle.

I think you need to consider the roles of each of those molecules.

Insulin is all about packaging. Wether it's pulling glucose (with or without an amino acid) into a cell, H2o sol. vitamins ect.
-Insulin doesn't package anything, its stimulates adipose/muscle to store carbs/fats/proteins/vitamins etc. As well, as far as i know, it antagonizes cortisol (which is why sugar is used post w/o to stop the cortisol secretion, its not the glucose itself but the insulin which antagonizes cortisol)

Diet, is all about efficiency. The idea is to package everything in a manner that you see best fit.
-I don't know what the hell you are even talking about here

Besides, the cortisol without the insulin... just leaves you breaking down tissue into a macromolecule without anything to package it! Catch 22 or whatever they call that shit.
-Check out my comment up top, i don't think cortisol and insulin play very well together as cortisol is about catabolism and insulin is about synthesis and anabolism

Think about a diabetic getting his bg under control. He is going to LOSE his gut.
-this depends on too many factors to get into, not all diabetics lose their gut

It would completely depend on the individual and his or her diet (and ethnicity)

A Russian wouldn't be able to imagine a Chinese male of the same size getting drunk so fast.... unless he understood the role of alcohol dehydrogenase. We may all be Human. But none of us are the same. Period.
[b]-Yes i'm aware of this. Bringing up a lack of an enzyme is a bit misleading to the newbs around here. We all have insulin, cortisol, stress and glucose. Apples and oranges IMO[b]

Comments inside the quote, also if there is some new research out there i'm not aware of please share i'm always open to learning.

Posted by: Luke95

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-Check out my comment up top, i don't think cortisol and insulin play very well together as cortisol is about catabolism and insulin is about synthesis and anabolism

You are coming at this all from one side.

The 'playing together' of Cortisol and Insulin is what keeps you alive. Life is a about homeostasis. The only way to stay in the middle is to have a regulated tug from each end of the spectrum whenever something gets 'off'.

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also if there is some new research out there i'm not aware of please share i'm always open to learning.

I would be happy to send you some books to further your education.

Posted by: P-funk

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The 'playing together' of Cortisol and Insulin is what keeps you alive. Life is a about homeostasis. The only way to stay in the middle is to have a regulated tug from each end of the spectrum whenever something gets 'off'.

true.

which books do you have?

Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism by Groff

Posted by: Luke95

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true.

which books do you have?

Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism by Groff

No!?! are those ones good? I'll have to check em' out.

Any other rec's?

Posted by: Yanick

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You are coming at this all from one side.

How so. It is a very clearly established fact that insuline and cortisol are antagonistic hormones. You cannot synthesize and break down at the same time. The body prioritizes these things. Blood sugar gets elevated then you will secrete insulin to lower, not cortisol to breakdown glycogen and fatty acids and elevate serum glucose concetrations.

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Yes but you said that stimulants will elevate cortisol and that ingesting a small amount of sugar would antagonize this situation. Sugar will stimulate insulin which in turn will switch your body from catabolism to anabolism, meaning there is no more breaking down happening in muscle/fat tissue, there is only storage and synthesis occurring.

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I would be happy to send you some books to further your education.

Free books where do i sign up? I just had to drop $300 on my new books for clinicals this semester.

Posted by: P-funk

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No!?! are those ones good? I'll have to check em' out.

Any other rec's?

yea, it is good.

I want to get Girth Control by Alan Aragon. It is supposed be a real good review of research on the topic of fat loss.

Posted by: Luke95

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Free books where do i sign up? I just had to drop $300 on my new books for clinicals this semester.

I hear ya man. I had to sell my TV this term to buy my books.

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How so. It is a very clearly established fact that insuline and cortisol are antagonistic hormones. You cannot synthesize and break down at the same time.

I'm not arguing that one bit. In fact, if you look at your own statement you'll see where the hang up is.

"You cannot synthesize and breakdown at the same time"

This is true on a cellular level. But if you take a step back and look at the body as a whole. This is not true. This is the reason they are 'antagonizing' They are battling it out for that receptor on 'each' cell. As for which one wins out... There is more than the physiological aspect. There are a lot of mind over matter people out there in the science fields lately it seems. (Candice Pert comes to mind "Molecules of Emotion" ) Nobody has all the answers.

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The body prioritizes these things. Blood sugar gets elevated then you will secrete insulin to lower, not cortisol to breakdown glycogen and fatty acids and elevate serum glucose concetrations.

Actually, your mind prioritizes them. But that's a whole 'nuther arguement. That's along the lines of the research I'm in. But then we'd be getting into Neurological disorders. Disorders are a GREAT tool for better understand the way a system works. It's the symettry breaking that makes things understandable.

Posted by: Luke95

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Girth Control by Alan Aragon.

LMAO! Catchy title. lol I'm gonna have to look that one up for sure. I'm curious as to what he has to say.

Posted by: Yanick

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I hear ya man. I had to sell my TV this term to buy my books.

I applaud you for that. I haven't had a TV in my room for years and don't think i'd want one.

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I forgot what we were arguing about really, but t'was fun as i don't get to do this kind of stuff too often. Good brush up on a couple of things, this semester break felt like a lifetime.

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Actually, your mind prioritizes them. But that's a whole nuther arguement.

I'm not even getting into that.

Posted by: Luke95

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I'm not even getting into that.

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