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Posted by: Copia

This will be my first cycle if I go ahead with it. Here are the stats.

Weight 200lbs
Height 6'2
Years training 4
Age 21
Body fat (I would estimate around 17%)

One of my friends who is experienced recommended Sustanon 250 with Deca.

The cycle will look like this.
Week 1 - 10 1 shot of Sustanon 250
week 1 - 8 Deca (When doing research I read a post by foreman stating that since the ester of Sustanon lasts longer that deca should end two weeks before the end of the cycle)

Here are my questions.

1. How much deca should I have to make this an effective cycle.
2. As far as gyno, from my understanding after doing the research I have two options one being to take one of the receptor blocking ones at the same time as doing my cycle and the second being to do the PCT after the cycle.
As far as the PCT is concerned for deca it should start 21 days after the last shot and pct for sustanon should start 18 days after the last shot. So my question is how would I do a pct since if I am right the two shots are 2.5 weeks apart.

3. What should I take if I want to greatly minimize the risks of gyno at the same time I am doing the cycle and what should my PCT be after my cycle is over.

4. As far as the diet is concerned should I follow the same plan as if I was bulking or can I go even higher since anabolic's are involved?

5. I also to counter water retention Letrozole was recommended, how much of this should be used and when should it be used?

Please help me with this and try to be nice I have seen many guys get their asses handed to them for posting on here, I figured I would rather post here then another forum seeing how most of you know what you are talking about.

Thank you and I look forward to reading your posts.

Posted by: The Iron Bull

Bro,
thats not a very good beginners cycle.
Sustanon sucks and you dont need the Deca.

Posted by: Pirate!

Test C or E are better choices than sustanon. Drop the deca. It only complicates things and itsn't necessary for a first cycle.

The two SERMs for blocking estrogen on breast tissue that prevent gyno are tamoxifen citrate (aka nolva) and raloxifene.

The best SERM, in my opinion, for PCT is toremifene citrate. Clomid and Nolva are more popular for this purpose because the have been around longer.

Letro is way to potent. Don't worry so much about water retention. If you want to use an anti-estrogen, exemestane (aka Aromasin) is by far the best and won't dry you out too much or kill your libido like letro will.

Raise your calories 15-20% on a bulking cycle and do some cardio. You should be able to gain well without adding fat.

Posted by: Copia

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Originally Posted by Pirate!

Test C or E are better choices than sustanon. Drop the deca. It only complicates things and itsn't necessary for a first cycle.

The two SERMs for blocking estrogen on breast tissue that prevent gyno are tamoxifen citrate (aka nolva) and raloxifene.

The best SERM, in my opinion, for PCT is toremifene citrate. Clomid and Nolva are more popular for this purpose because the have been around longer.

Letro is way to potent. Don't worry so much about water retention. If you want to use an anti-estrogen, exemestane (aka Aromasin) is by far the best and won't dry you out too much or kill your libido like letro will.

Raise your calories 15-20% on a bulking cycle and do some cardio. You should be able to gain well without adding fat.

When you say Test E or C are you talking about Cypionate and Enanthate? Also what dosage should I be doing if I am able to get these? And if I can't is Sustanon 250 with Deca able to achieve anything?

You mentioned blocking estrogen and PCT, could I take Nolva during my cycle and then take it after during the PCT as well? and if I do this would it affect it's potency in the PCT and what dosage should I take in the cycle to block estrogen and during the PCT?

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by Copia

Yes, Cypionate and Enanthate. It is better to just use test and NO deca for your first cycle. You could just sustanon and do fine. It's easier to just one ester, though. Sustanon has four. Taking nolva during your cycle would not affect potency during pct. If you are only going to use nolva for pct, I'd do 2-3 weeks at 60 mg then another 2-3 weeks tapering down to 20 mg. Sustanon takes forever to clear your system, so it can interfere with pct timing.

Posted by: The Iron Bull

hey pirate bro,
you mentioned toremifene citrate.

Help a brother out?

Posted by: The Iron Bull

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Originally Posted by Copia

TestE or TestC - 500mg per week. Split the dosage up in two shots during the week.

2-3 weeks of Nolva at 60mg is a lot.
20 mg/day of Nolva is comparable to the effect of 150 mg of clomiphene citrate (Clomid).

Posted by: ZECH

Read the stickies.

Posted by: BigDyl

torm is far superior to tamox. I don't think people should even recommend nolva for PCT anymore. It's obsolete.

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