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Oatmeal: 2 questions - help!

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Posted by: mrmark

Afert posting in Supps, I have decided to go with a whey protein and oatmeal shake but...

1: because I want to be able to drink it, if I blend the oatmeal so that the end product is smooth ie no flakes, does this remove the benefits of having oatmeal?

2: Is oatmeal considered to be a complex carb or more of a roughage food?

Thanks!!



Posted by: Phred

Oatmeal is a complex (fibrerous) carb. Which a good thing for digestion and limiting insulin spikes. I prefer to use raw oat bran in my shakes as it is a smoother mix to drink. Just a personal preference. Blending oat meal is fine. I was using raw old fashion oatmeal and grinding the fakes into a powder, then just switched to oat bran for the convience.

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Originally Posted by mrmark View Post
Afert posting in Supps, I have decided to go with a whey protein and oatmeal shake but...

1: because I want to be able to drink it, if I blend the oatmeal so that the end product is smooth ie no flakes, does this remove the benefits of having oatmeal?

2: Is oatmeal considered to be a complex carb or more of a roughage food?

Thanks!!




Posted by: ABCs

Or just soak the bihatches and chew it as you drink. I know it sounds nasty as all hell but you really get use to it and if used with the right whey, it tastes good.



Posted by: kcoleman

You won't be able to drink that like a regular shake.



Posted by: kcoleman

Also I'm pretty sure that blending oatmeal (or turning it into powder) raises the glycemic index. I tried making a shake out of oat-bran, whey isolate, and milk. Took my half an hour to drink as I gagged after every sip.



Posted by: ABCs

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Originally Posted by kcoleman View Post
You won't be able to drink that like a regular shake.
Just chew alittle. It's not gunna kill ya.



Posted by: Rocco32

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Originally Posted by ABCs View Post
Just chew alittle. It's not gunna kill ya.
Exactly...it's what i've been doing for 4 years now. Nothing at all wrong with it and if made right can taste pretty good as well.



Posted by: ABCs

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Originally Posted by Rocco32 View Post
Exactly...it's what i've been doing for 4 years now. Nothing at all wrong with it and if made right can taste pretty good as well.
Hell yeah. For breakfast I put oats in a bowl and then add a scoop of chocolate whey... add jsut enough water where they are covered and microwave for 1 minute. Made that way, it's like warm cereal.

Post workout, I mix the whey with a tall glass of water, then throw in a 1/4 - 1/2 cup of oats and let it soak for a minute. Prepared that way, it's like more of a shake.

It's the exact same shit, just made alittle differently to suite the time of day and situation.



Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by kcoleman View Post
Also I'm pretty sure that blending oatmeal (or turning it into powder) raises the glycemic index. I tried making a shake out of oat-bran, whey isolate, and milk. Took my half an hour to drink as I gagged after every sip.
I maybe looking too much into it, but how would a phsyical change do that?



Posted by: Emma-Leigh

ok...

Firstly - oatmeal is a starch carb... Fibrous carbs are things like vegetables. The terms 'complex carb' and 'simple carb' are not really all that useful and are basically not used anymore...

Secondly - the nature of the carb does not indicate GI. For example, An apple (or, a 'simple carb' composed of sugars) is LOW on the glycaemic index while white rice (a 'complex carb') is much higher.... Similarly, table sugar (sucrose) has a GI equal to sweet potato (comlpex carb)....

Thirdly - the glycaemic index of a carb does not refer to the insulin response it provokes.... For example - milk has a really LOW GI (due to the lactose in it) but the insulin response it provokes is really high (due to, once again, the lactose.. but also because of the whey and especially the BCAA fractions of the whey in it too).

Fourthly - no, blending the oats will not remove all their benefits. It will still offer you calories, carbs, some protein, some healthy fats, some fibre, some vitamins/ minerals and will help with hunger... Yes - blending it MAY alter the GI of the actual OATS (you increase the surface area and therefore increase the ease at which your intestinal enzymes can break down the food) but the fact that you are increasing the GI of the oats (and it is not to a huge degree anyway) doesn't mean a thing at the end of the day.. Why? Because unless you are talking about meals DIRECTLY around workouts (where speed of uptake are vital to ensure correct loading/ partitioning/ hormonal responses) then the GI of an individual food, when combined in a mixed meal, is going to mean very little because the protein/ fats you add to the meal are going to 'dilute' the oats effect.

Fifthly - errmmmm... I would probably not use oatbran in a shake... it is usually best to cook that stuff...



Posted by: BoneCrusher

Hey Emma-Leigh

Depth of your knowledge + the way you share it = awesomeness
Thanks for the effort.



Posted by: KentDog

Good to see you posting in the Diet and Nutrition forum again, Emma .



Posted by: Phred

I had a nutritionist tell me that vegies are not carbs, they are veggies. I figured there were starchy and fiberous carbs. She was very adamant about her position - I just let it go. I just want to understand. Also, why should oat bran cooked in lieu of eaten raw?

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Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh View Post
Firstly - oatmeal is a starch carb... Fibrous carbs are things like vegetables. The terms 'complex carb' and 'simple carb' are not really all that useful and are basically not used anymore...




Posted by: juggernaut

doesnt mixing protein with a carb lower the GI rating?



Posted by: juggernaut

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Originally Posted by Phred View Post
I had a nutritionist tell me that vegies are not carbs, they are veggies. I figured there were starchy and fiberous carbs. She was very adamant about her position - I just let it go. I just want to understand. Also, why should oat bran cooked in lieu of eaten raw?
i think she means the raw oats.



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
doesnt mixing protein with a carb lower the GI rating?
Combining any foods, has an impact on the GI. That is why the GI blows goats.



Posted by: juggernaut

well there's a metaphor you dont see every day.



Posted by: theoneandonly

Consider me old fashioned but why not eat the oatmeal as intended and drink a protein shake with it. Silly thought but that is how I do it every morning.



Posted by: IainDaniel

To each there own basically.

I just want something quick that is why I combine them



Posted by: theoneandonly

pick a different carb then. something more mixing friendly for a shake like fruit. Meals shouldn't be nasty.



Posted by: theoneandonly

Quaker Oats can be cooked in a microwave in less then 3 minutes. That is pretty darn quick Dan.



Posted by: KentDog

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Originally Posted by theoneandonly View Post
Quaker Oats can be cooked in a microwave in less then 3 minutes. That is pretty darn quick Dan.
But drinking it is quicker than eating it.

I usually eat oatmeal with a tablespoon of natural peanut butter stirred in along with a protein shake. However, when I'm running a bit late, I tend to dump the uncooked oats and the natural peanut butter into the blender along with the whey and milk and just making it into a shake. It's an issue of time and convenience.



Posted by: mrmark

Thanks for the input everyone, as an experiement, because I haven't got a blender yet, i bought a bag of bran is teeny flakes.

i'll mix it up within a day or 2 and see how it works.



Posted by: ABCs

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Originally Posted by theoneandonly View Post
Quaker Oats can be cooked in a microwave in less then 3 minutes. That is pretty darn quick Dan.
I buy old fashined oats that cook in one minute in the microwave and if soaked in a shake for about 5 minutes, don't even need to be cooked. To top it all off, it's $3 bucks for a huge ass container.



Posted by: juggernaut

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Originally Posted by mrmark View Post
Thanks for the input everyone, as an experiement, because I haven't got a blender yet, i bought a bag of bran is teeny flakes.

i'll mix it up within a day or 2 and see how it works.
a trainer without a blender?? BLASPHEMY!!!



Posted by: blueboy75

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Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh View Post
ok...

Firstly - oatmeal is a starch carb... Fibrous carbs are things like vegetables. The terms 'complex carb' and 'simple carb' are not really all that useful and are basically not used anymore...

Secondly - the nature of the carb does not indicate GI. For example, An apple (or, a 'simple carb' composed of sugars) is LOW on the glycaemic index while white rice (a 'complex carb') is much higher.... Similarly, table sugar (sucrose) has a GI equal to sweet potato (comlpex carb)....

Thirdly - the glycaemic index of a carb does not refer to the insulin response it provokes.... For example - milk has a really LOW GI (due to the lactose in it) but the insulin response it provokes is really high (due to, once again, the lactose.. but also because of the whey and especially the BCAA fractions of the whey in it too).

Fourthly - no, blending the oats will not remove all their benefits. It will still offer you calories, carbs, some protein, some healthy fats, some fibre, some vitamins/ minerals and will help with hunger... Yes - blending it MAY alter the GI of the actual OATS (you increase the surface area and therefore increase the ease at which your intestinal enzymes can break down the food) but the fact that you are increasing the GI of the oats (and it is not to a huge degree anyway) doesn't mean a thing at the end of the day.. Why? Because unless you are talking about meals DIRECTLY around workouts (where speed of uptake are vital to ensure correct loading/ partitioning/ hormonal responses) then the GI of an individual food, when combined in a mixed meal, is going to mean very little because the protein/ fats you add to the meal are going to 'dilute' the oats effect.

Fifthly - errmmmm... I would probably not use oatbran in a shake... it is usually best to cook that stuff...
great post.








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