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Posted by: forum9351

I've always assumed that girls will find a muscular guy much more attractive. Am I right or does it not really matter? I have heard girls think muscular guys are attractive but then a lot of girls think the skinny guy with nice abs is very attractive. thouhgts.....



Posted by: Prince

in my experience most females don't really care for "bodybuilders", they like a lean, muscular physique but a male that appears to be to into himself is very unattractive to most of them.



Posted by: soxmuscle

Well put.

Lean and muscular is what most women are looking for, a realistic goal for most.



Posted by: Jodi

Yeah, most women don't like the bodybuilder look. As Prince said, they like the lean muscular look. Think Brad Pitt..........

Not all women are like that though. Personally I like the bodybuilder look, save IFBB Pro style But, that's probably because I'm into fitness and bodybuilding myself and I'm not some scrawny twig.



Posted by: BigDyl

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
Yeah, most women don't like the bodybuilder look. As Prince said, they like the lean muscular look. Think Brad Pitt..........

Not all women are like that though. Personally I like the bodybuilder look, save IFBB Pro style But, that's probably because I'm into fitness and bodybuilding myself and I'm not some scrawny twig.
Geez, you're picky.



Posted by: The Monkey Man

Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
Geez, you're picky.


Careful!



Posted by: BigDyl

Quote Originally Posted by The Monkey Man View Post


Careful!




Posted by: Jodi

Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
Geez, you're picky.
One of the pickiest!



Posted by: Little Wing




next question



Posted by: Little Wing





Posted by: Witchblade

Abs and some pecs is all that matters to most girls. A lot of girls I know actually think the bodybuilder look is fugly.



Posted by: DontStop

For the most part, the look that appeals to me is a look of masulinity. This can mostly be acheived through attitude but a build is also neccessary.

He doesnt have to be a body builder, but some tone is definately a must. Tone meaning muscle mass, not just being skinny

Guys need to have some girth



Posted by: NeilPearson

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
For the most part, the look that appeals to me is a look of masulinity. This can mostly be acheived through attitude but a build is also neccessary.

He doesnt have to be a body builder, but some tone is definately a must. Tone meaning muscle mass, not just being skinny

Guys need to have some girth
I have some girth for you :P



Posted by: DontStop

Girth=Awesome



Posted by: BigDyl

Girls get off to guys that only do chest and ab workouts. You could seemingly never do a single squat or deadlift or anything but flat BB bench, and get any chick you wanted lawl.



Posted by: Little Wing

^ not true. arms, legs, n butt are nice too.



Posted by: Jodi

Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
Girls get off to guys that only do chest and ab workouts. You could seemingly never do a single squat or deadlift or anything but flat BB bench, and get any chick you wanted lawl.
Hell no! Scrawny legs =



Posted by: Bakerboy

These days a girl wants it all. I think women are just as hard on men with what they want men to look like as men are with womens bodies.

Which makes me think is it okay for me being 35 to be seeing a girl who is 20?
All the women I know that are in their 30's are either married or too uptight for me. It's just a casual thing anyway- she doesn't expect me to marry her or anything lol- which is another problem I have with girls my own age.



Posted by: DontStop

BAHA the fellow im seeing right now is already tlking about what we should name our kids LOLOLOL



Posted by: Witchblade








Posted by: DontStop

Nah, It's a womans place to do most of that jazz.



Posted by: Witchblade



Better?



Posted by: DontStop

bahaha id dump any man who cleaned my house and got my groceries everyday
those are bitch qualities
what happened to mutualism



Posted by: Witchblade

It seems you have the mind of a perfect woman then.



Posted by: DontStop

I'm just traditional.
Anti-Feminist too



Posted by: Jodi

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
bahaha id dump any man who cleaned my house and got my groceries everyday
those are bitch qualities
You are kidding right?



Posted by: DontStop

no lol
i think men and women have a place in the relationship.
I guy tending to my every beck and call isnt repectable at all.
like i said
MUTUALISM



Posted by: Jodi

I agree with things being mutual. But you feel it's a women's responsibly to do the house work and the groceries? How is that mutual?

This is where I'm having trouble following you....



Posted by: soxmuscle

I got lost when she described her romantic walk in the park with her boyfriend who insisted on fucking her on the spot even though she was on the rag.



Posted by: DontStop

Traditionally yes. But what the perfect man thing is implicating is that should be a mans duties. Male duties dont typically inlcude giving back rubs, scrubbing the floor, and ironing...not to say they shouldnt do it...but still.



Posted by: DontStop

Quote Originally Posted by soxmuscle View Post
I got lost when she described her romantic walk in the park with her boyfriend who insisted on fucking her on the spot even though she was on the rag.

it wasnt a romantic walk by any means. it was a walk that ended after an impulse. not my impulse, for the rag reason, but his.



Posted by: Jodi

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
Traditionally yes. But what the perfect man thing is implicating is that should be a mans duties. Male duties dont typically inlcude giving back rubs, scrubbing the floor, and ironing...not to say they shouldnt do it...but still.
Oh, please do define what "male duties" are..........

This is shit that makes my skin crawl



Posted by: DontStop

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
Traditionally yes. But what the perfect man thing is implicating is that should be a mans duties. Male duties dont typically inlcude giving back rubs, scrubbing the floor, and ironing...not to say they shouldnt do it...but still.
Well gee i dont know, its not to often you see a girl go out and wash the car and do household repairs
IS IT
"traditionally" being the key word

like i already said, not to say it can tbe done by the other partner. thats when i said mutualism. im contrasting.



Posted by: BigDyl

Male duties = drinking beer, burping, wearing a sweaty wife beater with gravy stains on it w/ hairy gut hanging out, etc.



Posted by: Jodi

What a crock of shit!

You are too young. Maybe when you decide to have a career and home of your own you will change your mind.





Posted by: BigDyl

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
Well gee i dont know, its not to often you see a girl go out and wash the car and do household repairs
IS IT
"traditionally" being the key word

like i already said, not to say it can tbe done by the other partner. thats when i said mutualism. im contrasting.
Are you talking to yourself?

...because you quoted yourself and replied to your comment....


.........



Posted by: Bakerboy

It doesn't have to be complicated. I think it is just about respect. I think it is a good idea to balance responsabilities. I used to live with someone and she got on my back for not doing the major cleaning but I told her I do all the cooking! The problem was that she was a neat freak and I just like things clean. It's about communication each couple is going to be different. When I look back now I see the problem wasn't even that- it was that we were starting to hate each other because we both were so used to living by ourselves and doing things our own ways- this is part of the reason why I am not married.



Posted by: DontStop

thats not a crock of shit? its what i think, its what i believe in. too young? perhaps, but old enough to know that "the perfect man" isnt one that bends over backwards for my every need.



Posted by: soxmuscle

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
thats not a crock of shit? its what i think, its what i believe in. too young? perhaps, but old enough to know that "the perfect man" isnt one that bends over backwards for my every need.
Nobody is saying that.

It's just were no longer in the fifties (which sucks because I'm male, I think) and women's "duties" aren't solely to be the house wife who does the household chores, cleaning, and taking care of the kids while the husband works 9-5 and then drinks at the local tavern until coming home to bang.



Posted by: soxmuscle

Hmm.. Well I guess I put that to rest.



Posted by: Jodi

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
thats not a crock of shit? its what i think, its what i believe in. too young? perhaps, but old enough to know that "the perfect man" isnt one that bends over backwards for my every need.
Since when is helping with housework bending over backwards?



Posted by: Little Wing

a perfect man is simply one you fall in love with for who he is and who's willing to work toward making the relationship work for both of you. it's fun to cook for a guy but if he wants to cook for you it's bullshit to see that as a bitch quality.



Posted by: Witchblade

DontStop don't stop! You got me hooked on bitch qualities!



Posted by: fUnc17

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
Traditionally yes. But what the perfect man thing is implicating is that should be a mans duties. Male duties dont typically inlcude giving back rubs, scrubbing the floor, and ironing...not to say they shouldnt do it...but still.
I like to keep my clothes and place clean, dunno what kind of guys your dating but I haven't had a complaint yet.



Posted by: forum9351

I'm not here to argue any side but I think I understand what Don'tstop is saying. There is mutualism in the amount of work and contributions, however, respondsibilities fall into a gender category. I figure you should find what works between you and your partner. In order for a relationship to work there must be some sacrifice.



Posted by: Quinc

I agree with DontStop. when you want to go get firewood fix yours and mine cars shovel snow etc. then i will have no problem cleaning the house... although i usually end up helping anyway.. damn power of the puss..



Posted by: AKIRA

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
Since when is helping with housework bending over backwards?
Since when does the norm scare you?



Posted by: AKIRA

Quote Originally Posted by forum9351 View Post
I'm not here to argue any side but I think I understand what Don'tstop is saying. There is mutualism in the amount of work and contributions, however, respondsibilities fall into a gender category. I figure you should find what works between you and your partner. In order for a relationship to work there must be some sacrifice.
I dont even see the argument Jodi is ONCE AGAIN trying to make. Dontstop was pretty clear by what she meant. She didnt even personalize herself that much.

Like it or not, 'traditionally' men do certain things, women do others. I didnt create the rules, nor live by them (i am not married). However, being outside the box, I can see why it is the way it is.

Cleaning a house is so easy (a caveman can do it ), so why dont men do it more often? Ok fine, why cant women break things down in black and white, simplify things, and rationalize a decision within seconds? Sure seems easy to us...



Posted by: Witchblade

Pussy control.



Posted by: AKIRA

Quote Originally Posted by forum9351 View Post
I've always assumed that girls will find a muscular guy much more attractive. Am I right or does it not really matter? I have heard girls think muscular guys are attractive but then a lot of girls think the skinny guy with nice abs is very attractive. thouhgts.....
From what I have noticed, the older women get, the more they start to notice a guy who builds their body.

Its almost like they begin to realize that you cant fuck a pretty face.


Trying to get back on topic, but since some people cant refrain themselves. opcorn:



Posted by: Jodi

I dont even see the argument Jodi is ONCE AGAIN trying to make.
I don't expect someone as primitive as you to ever understand anything I say......



Posted by: Jodi

Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA View Post
Since when does the norm scare you?
Times have changed buddy.......the "norm" that you speak of is no longer the "norm"



Posted by: AKIRA

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
Times have changed buddy.......the "norm" that you speak of is no longer the "norm"
And why, cuz YOU said its changed? It hasnt changed everywhere, no matter how much you want it too. Jesus, I dont even endorse this shit, but I can see how its still a majority.

What do you have against men anyway? Or is this a 'primitive' question?

(At least, this way I can signify a REAL reason to be labeled as a person thats been a thorn in your side, instead of imaginitive stimuli)



Posted by: Jodi

If you lack the intelligence to even understand what I'm asking and the point I'm trying to make, then you aren't even worth an explanation.



Posted by: AKIRA

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
If you lack the intelligence to even understand what I'm asking and the point I'm trying to make, then you aren't even worth an explanation.
What if I lack the "intelligence" to understand why this post was typed out?

What makes you think I dont understand where youre coming from? Cuz I asked what you have against men?

I am gonna go out on a limb here and make an assumption that I would closely guaruntee other members coudl see happening..

If DontStop was a girl that wanted to stay at home to clean, cook, and take care of a man's needs, I would say you would condemn her for it. Even after DontStop's explanations or even if she just plain said out loud "cuz i want to," Ill bet youd still be insultive.

We get it Jodi. You dont believe in mutalism. You dont like the fact that people remember women cooking and cleaning everyday and use it for comparisons when things have "changed." Youre right. MORE women are becoming successful and are NOT living this 50's-ish life. Yes, more women are going to work...but as a whole, most women are still at home.

Look it up. When you get mad at the results, blame me for my primitive predictions.



Posted by: Jodi

Give it up already! You don't know jack shit about me and my beliefs and I say let's leave it that way......... I have no desire to talk to you about this subject anymore.



Posted by: BigDyl

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
I don't expect someone as primitive as you to ever understand anything I say......





Posted by: AKIRA

You dont want to talk about it, yet you wouldnt let sleeping dogs lie.

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
Oh, please do define what "male duties" are..........

This is shit that makes my skin crawl
Look at this.. You just couldnt let it stand there without giving your 2 cents. You even payed attention to semantics.

She was quite clear what she meant and it never seemed offensive in any way nor did it seem that she was against your beliefs. In fact, Ill bet you two have some of this junk in common.

Sorry Nazi, but just cuz she said some words in a form of a sentence that is against your beliefs, doesnt mean you should slap her wrist because she may not have said it 'right.'



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Jodi, I see what you are asking, but I think DontStop has no problem with cleaning the kitchen as being her job. Hell, if you told me I could sit around the house and not do shit except for clean, I'd sign right up for that bitch.



Posted by: Jodi

Quote Originally Posted by Dale Mabry View Post
Jodi, I see what you are asking, but I think DontStop has no problem with cleaning the kitchen as being her job. Hell, if you told me I could sit around the house and not do shit except for clean, I'd sign right up for that bitch.
I know that most of you know what my point is because I've said it several times before. It's all about equality! But any girl that defines her choice duties as "bitches duties" has got issues. Personally, as most of you know, I choose my career and cleaning is what hiring maids are for in my book.

I just think that equality mean sharing all duties. I go mow the lawn and use to cut firewood just as much.



Posted by: Bakerboy

I like to wear my maids outfit sometimes. But I guess this isn't the time to talk about that.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
I know that most of you know what my point is because I've said it several times before. It's all about equality! But any girl that defines her choice duties as "bitches duties" has got issues. Personally, as most of you know, I choose my career and cleaning is what hiring maids are for in my book.
So you feel women that become maids are inferior?



Posted by: Jodi

I knew you were going to say that.

No they are not, not at all. They are making good money picking up after people. They have a tough job and not one that I would ever want to do.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
I knew you were going to say that.

No they are not, not at all. They are making good money picking up after people. They have a tough job and not one that I would ever want to do.
So maids have to hire someone else to clean their house?



Posted by: Jodi

Jesus Dale!



Posted by: AKIRA

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
I know that most of you know what my point is because I've said it several times before. It's all about equality! But any girl that defines her choice duties as "bitches duties" has got issues. Personally, as most of you know, I choose my career and cleaning is what hiring maids are for in my book.

I just think that equality mean sharing all duties. I go mow the lawn and use to cut firewood just as much.
I think she meant mutalism as equality. If not, Ill bet its similiar in debate.

She spoke of masculinity. A guy who cleans and cooks all the time is, sorry, a bitch. But if its to help out, like say...who said it..baker? If he cooks and she cleans, theres the equality. Helping each other is the key and the POINT, which we were on the whole time, but some how you missed it.



Posted by: BigDyl

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
Jesus Dale!
Don't ever use those two words together again. I think you just tarnished the christian religion...forever...



Posted by: AKIRA

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
I knew you were going to say that.

No they are not, not at all. They are making good money picking up after people. They have a tough job and not one that I would ever want to do.
So is it safe to say that this aggression comes from YOU and not the norm?

A maid does her job for money.
A wife does her job for love.

If thats what makes her happy, then who are you (or anyone) to her "duties" are wrong?



Posted by: Jodi

I've officially ignored Akira.......



Posted by: AKIRA

No you havent.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA View Post
No you havent.
I Have



Posted by: AKIRA

Actually I wouldnt be surprised.

No one could tell the Nazi shes wrong. No one. If you do, you get lunacy and then YOURE the odd man out.

I wasnt even saying anything was set it stone. DontStop said what she beleived in and I, like anyone else, accepted it cuz who cares? Its her life.

And because it generated a buzzing discussion I get put on ignore? Grow up, Peter Pan.



Posted by: AKIRA

Quote Originally Posted by Dale Mabry View Post
I Have


No. God. Pluh...pluh please not you.





Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA View Post


No. God. Pluh...pluh please not you.

Yes, I have you on ignore, son.



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
Well gee i dont know, its not to often you see a girl go out and wash the car and do household repairs
IS IT
"traditionally" being the key word

like i already said, not to say it can tbe done by the other partner. thats when i said mutualism. im contrasting.
when i was married to my 2nd husband i did things like putting in a shower, repairing stuff etc cuz i was better at it. when we went camping he waited on me hand n foot but trust me he was no bitch. and guys need to know how to iron, clean, cook, and do laundry unless they want to get married at 18 or have mommy at their apartment all the time. people should be competent to take care of themselves.

the perfect man pics are kinda offensive to men and would be to women too. it's enjoyable to do what is traditionally seen as womanly things for a man but only for a person that appreciates it, is willing to pitch in when you ask him to and brings his own offerings to the table. my son is 9 and already knows only an ass expects the woman to do everything.



Posted by: kicka19

dontstop, will you marry me?



Posted by: Jodi

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
when i was married to my 2nd husband i did things like putting in a shower, repairing stuff etc cuz i was better at it. when we went camping he waited on me hand n foot but trust me he was no bitch. and guys need to know how to iron, clean, cook, and do laundry unless they want to get married at 18 or have mommy at their apartment all the time. people should be competent to take care of themselves.

the perfect man pics are kinda offensive to men and would be to women too. it's enjoyable to do what is traditionally seen as womanly things for a man but only for a person that appreciates it, is willing to pitch in when you ask him to and brings his own offerings to the table. my son is 9 and already knows only an ass expects the woman to do everything.
And there you go.......

I'm all about the equality so long as I'm bringing home the bacon too. If I ever chose to be a housewife, which for the record I'd rather burn in hell before I did that (no offense to anyone who chooses that, I just have a different preference which is my career), THEN that is your duties. But I'll damned if I'm going to work all day and come home and cook his meals and clean up after him all the time! No way in hell!



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
And there you go.......

I'm all about the equality so long as I'm bringing home the bacon too. If I ever chose to be a housewife, which for the record I'd rather burn in hell before I did that (no offense to anyone who chooses that, I just have a different preference which is my career), THEN that is your duties. But I'll damned if I'm going to work all day and come home and cook his meals and clean up after him all the time! No way in hell!
Ahhh, now I get it.



Posted by: Bakerboy

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
when i was married to my 2nd husband i did things like putting in a shower, repairing stuff etc cuz i was better at it. when we went camping he waited on me hand n foot but trust me he was no bitch. and guys need to know how to iron, clean, cook, and do laundry unless they want to get married at 18 or have mommy at their apartment all the time. people should be competent to take care of themselves.

the perfect man pics are kinda offensive to men and would be to women too. it's enjoyable to do what is traditionally seen as womanly things for a man but only for a person that appreciates it, is willing to pitch in when you ask him to and brings his own offerings to the table. my son is 9 and already knows only an ass expects the woman to do everything.
It's about respect and not taking people for granted. I learned to cook because my dad could not to anything but make toast and I did not want to be that lame, I wanted to be able to take care of myself without having to rely on someone else. I can remember my dad had to take care of us kids once because my mom had some kind of emergency so he had to feed us something and I shit you not her gave us bread and water in a bowl! He is afraid of the kitchen, still Expects my mom to serve him his food. The only thing he does domestically is iron his shirts everything else my mom does for him- he's the biggest baby I know. I swore to myself that I would never be like him- and I am nothing like him. Rant over.



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
I knew you were going to say that.

No they are not, not at all. They are making good money picking up after people. They have a tough job and not one that I would ever want to do.
being a chambermaid is easy, i did it in vegas. the money is great, you're done by 2 usually, and it's very stress free. after i came back to maine, before college, i worked at a place called the cleaning witch. i liked getting paired with the men there because they were usually faster and we'd get done earlier.



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote Originally Posted by Bakerboy View Post
It's about respect and not taking people for granted. I learned to cook because my dad could not to anything but make toast and I did not want to be that lame, I wanted to be able to take care of myself without having to rely on someone else. I can remember my dad had to take care of us kids once because my mom had some kind of emergency so he had to feed us something and I shit you not her gave us bread and water in a bowl! He is afraid of the kitchen, still Expects my mom to serve him his food. The only thing he does domestically is iron his shirts everything else my mom does for him- he's the biggest baby I know. I swore to myself that I would never be like him- and I am nothing like him. Rant over.
my stepfather sits on the couch n watches tv while my mother cooks. she used to make nice meals and he'd never say a word just stuff his face and go sit back down while she cleaned up. now she gives him hot pockets and crap like that. i think she's hoping the fucker will croak so she can get some rest.



Posted by: Jodi

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
my stepfather sits on the couch n watches tv while my mother cooks. she used to make nice meals and he'd never say a word just stuff his face and go sit back down while she cleaned up. now she gives him hot pockets and crap like that. i think she's hoping the fucker will croak so she can get some rest.




Posted by: Little Wing

can we have some more pictures of hot guys



Posted by: Bakerboy

Yeah that's the worst part not even a- thank you honey that was a delicious meal, I really enjoyed that. I don't care that his mother did the same for her husband- that's just an lame excuse for being an ass. It's about caring about the person you are with enough to give a shit, not just be a shit. To top it off my mom worked full-time nights and took care of us. She raised 4 kids without any help for her husband. This is why I respect my mom so much and why I would do anything for my mom. I'm civil to my dad when I see him but I don't respect him.



Posted by: Bakerboy





Posted by: Little Wing

Quote Originally Posted by Bakerboy View Post
Yeah that's the worst part not even a- thank you honey that was a delicious meal, I really enjoyed that. I don't care that his mother did the same for her husband- that's just an lame excuse for being an ass. It's about caring about the person you are with enough to give a shit, not just be a shit. To top it off my mom worked full-time nights and took care of us. She raised 4 kids without any help for her husband. This is why I respect my mom so much and why I would do anything for my mom. I'm civil to my dad when I see him but I don't respect him.

wow. i think for some the old fashioned way seems ideal but nothing is ever as it seems. i think it could work today but any arrangement being successful is going to depend on partners respecting each other and being committed to their own happiness as well as their partners. if you are living in a way that pleases another and not you you're going to be miserable and resent your partner. you both will lose.



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote Originally Posted by Bakerboy View Post
to you this is sexy huh



Posted by: AKIRA

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
And there you go.......

I'm all about the equality so long as I'm bringing home the bacon too. If I ever chose to be a housewife, which for the record I'd rather burn in hell before I did that (no offense to anyone who chooses that, I just have a different preference which is my career), THEN that is your duties. But I'll damned if I'm going to work all day and come home and cook his meals and clean up after him all the time! No way in hell!
This coulda been the first post Jodi, but ya know..



Posted by: JOHNYORK

teenagers produce more hormones. hormones make u wanna fuk. females are turned on an wanna be fked by manly men. dont stop is a teenager.

I feel the bibble and basically all religions deal with the underlying processes of the mind but anyway since this thread i feel deals with my interpretation of the adam/eve story ill share it with yall bebops.

Adam was promised ANYTHING he can imagine by god. Anything EXCEPT the fruit from this one tree. Eve offered Adam a piece of this fruit forbidden by god. Adam knew it was wrong if he ate it but he couldnt RESIST the fruit ffered by Eve. God than punished them both.
I interpret the Forbidden Fuit as Eve offering Adam some ass. Adam couldnt resist even tho he could have nething else he could imagine. Adam was human with an animalistic mind/tendencies. ALL living things reproduce.
Moral we are all slave to reproduction whether we like it or not. As a teenager my whole shit was getting ass. Im only 22 but If i think about it i have other things on my mind now besides girls and im sure as i get older the % ill go down even more. In another 20 yrs my dik wont even get hard. Any way As human We are All SLAVES to reproduction just like all living things are.
One mroe thing ever wonder why majority of relationships dont work out and high school sweethearts dont wind up getting married or relationships in hs are shorter? For the same reason dontstop wants a "manly man." As teenagers like i said we are blinded by our hormones. As people grow chances of successful relationships also grow b/c the hormones arent running our thoughts about the opposite sex as much. Other things become important. Now if a 60 yr old lady started magically producing a 16yr old girls hormones shed be a hoe but she doesnt. Its also interesting at around 40/50 alot of women suddenly find hidden interests they never knew they had likepainting or sum shit. aaaaaaaa fuk it im done i could go on n on u see the point tho. We are animals. Animals whose actions depend on our thoughts. What we think depends on our mood. Our moods are produced by chemicals.



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote Originally Posted by JOHNYORK View Post
teenagers produce more hormones. hormones make u wanna fuk. females are turned on an wanna be fked by manly men. dont stop is a teenager.

I feel the bibble and basically all religions deal with the underlying processes of the mind but anyway since this thread i feel deals with my interpretation of the adam/eve story ill share it with yall bebops.

Adam was promised ANYTHING he can imagine by god. Anything EXCEPT the fruit from this one tree. Eve offered Adam a piece of this fruit forbidden by god. Adam knew it was wrong if he ate it but he couldnt RESIST the fruit ffered by Eve. God than punished them both.
I interpret the Forbidden Fuit as Eve offering Adam some ass. Adam couldnt resist even tho he could have nething else he could imagine. Adam was human with an animalistic mind/tendencies. ALL living things reproduce.
Moral we are all slave to reproduction whether we like it or not. As a teenager my whole shit was getting ass. Im only 22 but If i think about it i have other things on my mind now besides girls and im sure as i get older the % ill go down even more. In another 20 yrs my dik wont even get hard. Any way As human We are All SLAVES to reproduction just like all living things are.
One mroe thing ever wonder why majority of relationships dont work out and high school sweethearts dont wind up getting married or relationships in hs are shorter? For the same reason dontstop wants a "manly man." As teenagers like i said we are blinded by our hormones. As people grow chances of successful relationships also grow b/c the hormones arent running our thoughts about the opposite sex as much. Other things become important. Now if a 60 yr old lady started magically producing a 16yr old girls hormones shed be a hoe but she doesnt. Its also interesting at around 40/50 alot of women suddenly find hidden interests they never knew they had likepainting or sum shit. aaaaaaaa fuk it im done i could go on n on u see the point tho. We are animals. Animals whose actions depend on our thoughts. What we think depends on our mood. Our moods are produced by chemicals.
you obviously don't know any 40 year old women. they like sex more than teenage girls do. way more.



Posted by: Decker

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
when i was married to my 2nd husband i did things like putting in a shower, repairing stuff etc cuz i was better at it. when we went camping he waited on me hand n foot but trust me he was no bitch. and guys need to know how to iron, clean, cook, and do laundry unless they want to get married at 18 or have mommy at their apartment all the time. people should be competent to take care of themselves.....
You're a very good woman. In a relationship, you play to the relative strengths of each person. I do a lot of the cooking in our house. My wife does the gardening/landscaping. We both do laundry.

Of course I pull double duty in the rubbies and scratchies department. But I am a willing participant in that respect.



Posted by: blueboy75

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
a perfect man is simply one you fall in love with for who he is and who's willing to work toward making the relationship work for both of you. it's fun to cook for a guy but if he wants to cook for you it's bullshit to see that as a bitch quality.
True that. I do all the cooking at my place, my girl cant cook and dont clean much unfortunately - she just looks good. I dont complain.



Posted by: DontStop

Haha I love how all of you are using my age as a scapegoat to make your points valid. Oh please.

Hell, women are at their sexual peak, on average, in their thirties....so don't even go there.



Posted by: Decker

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
...sexual peak...
What is this "sexual peak" you speak of. Is it food?



Posted by: DontStop

Well, Don't be an idiot
In "stupid terms"
Guys want to bang more in their teens
Women want to bang more when they are thirties (So I've read)



Posted by: Jodi

Actually, she is correct. On average, men go through their sexual prime in the teens and women have their sexual prime in their mid-30's.



Posted by: soxmuscle

What scientifically happens to women in their thirties that make them want to bang more?



Posted by: Witchblade

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
Haha I love how all of you are using my age as a scapegoat to make your points valid. Oh please.
I feel your pain.

Hell, women are at their sexual peak, on average, in their thirties....so don't even go there.
You mean you're going to talk about sex even more and more?



Posted by: Decker

Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade View Post
....

You mean you're going to talk about sex even more and more?
Oh yeah....well the Sun Also Rises (and sets) between my legs. Life gets mighty boring



Posted by: DontStop

Quote Originally Posted by soxmuscle View Post
What scientifically happens to women in their thirties that make them want to bang more?
I could be wrong, but i believe it's because "the biological clock" is ticking and as women near mennopause, they want too (their body) wants to utilize the eggs still present



Posted by: AKIRA

That might be why the last 6 women that Ive fucked that are in their 30s were so easy to get. Married or not.



Posted by: DontStop

I know my moms being a Saucy minx right now (gross gross gross) She's always dressing suggestively. And i "accidently" read some of her txts to my step dad. Jesus.



Posted by: THEUNIT(XXL)

That's just not right...



Posted by: DontStop

Well, my mom is still young. shes only 38.



Posted by: THEUNIT(XXL)

How old is she planning to get?



Posted by: DontStop

Planning?
Well she's not throwing herself off of a bridge anytime soon...



Posted by: THEUNIT(XXL)

Well, I mean, 38 is not THAT young....



Posted by: Decker

Quote Originally Posted by THEUNIT(XXL) View Post
Well, I mean, 38 is not THAT young....
It's just about middle aged.



Posted by: THEUNIT(XXL)

But, on the other hand, if she's chillin and she looks proper, I have no problem with it



Posted by: DontStop

I know people my age have moms and dads in their sixties.
In compariosn, yah my mom is young



Posted by: THEUNIT(XXL)

That's true.
During your childhood, did you feel blessed with this fact or did you feel she was to close to your age and invading your space?



Posted by: DontStop

one of my boyfriends went through her panty drawer.
That is all.



Posted by: THEUNIT(XXL)

Just as long as he dind't wear them..

But let me guess, you grew up pretty quick?



Posted by: DontStop

Yah I did. I grew up taking care of her (she was an alcoholic, did coccaine, that jazz)
t's common ground these days which is a shame. It was still cool having her as a mom though when she wasnt drunk or cracked out.



Posted by: I Are Baboon

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
Well, my mom is still young. shes only 38.
Pics?



Posted by: THEUNIT(XXL)

I won't even ask about dad...

I grew up like that, but a few years older than you are, it workt out allright, I got mad as hell on her, and she got her act together now.
It's fucked up growing up like that, you can stay close and follow her path, or take distance, and let her solve it by herself.
The last one is the best, I found that out just on time.



Posted by: DontStop

Yah I'm the opposite of my mom. My dad left her so she would always have different guys coming over. She has her life on track now too, she's succesful in her job and shes been with my stepdad for a pretty long time.
But yah, I don't hold it agaisnt her. I'm glad i "grew up" before most of my peers because I have a better understanding of responsibility and my outlookk on things is way deifferent.

Hence me liking older men, I act older then I am, and i was around them so much when i was little



Posted by: THEUNIT(XXL)

Quote Originally Posted by DontStop View Post
Yah I'm the opposite of my mom. My dad left her so she would always have different guys coming over. She has her life on track now too, she's succesful in her job and shes been with my stepdad for a pretty long time.
But yah, I don't hold it agaisnt her. I'm glad i "grew up" before most of my peers because I have a better understanding of responsibility and my outlookk on things is way deifferent.

Hence me liking older men, I act older then I am, and i was around them so much when i was little
That's good to hear.

About the growing up more quickly, I'm glad to, I also have a lot better understading of about 10.000.000 things, I acctualy feel like it helped me in business, I perform best when in control.(that sounds a bit strange, but you probably undestand how I mean that.)



Posted by: DontStop

Yah ia wlays feel like I need to be in control. The only problems I think I can attribute to my moms behavior is my anxiety.



Posted by: THEUNIT(XXL)

That will go with time, the second you get more control over your life(your direction) the fear will leave you.
A peacefull, steady lifetyle will ease those fears....but you really shine when conflict occurs, you can deal well with that because of everything you went through, but for the long run it will still best suit you to lay your guns and swords to rest....for now.
I didn't.



Posted by: JOHNYORK

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
you obviously don't know any 40 year old women. they like sex more than teenage girls do. way more.
I agree women in their 30s/40s may LIKE sex/ENJOY sex more although only due too experience. However a womens reproductive/fertile primes are in their teenage years, meaning these are the years a women percentages for producing a healthy baby are highest or odds of getting pregnant are highest. (males sperm is healthiest at this time also.) Anyway, hormones are being released in both sexes at their peak in teen years b/c of this. Their bodies are in their PRIME stages for REPRODUCTION not sex. During this stage a female is more attracted to a more masculine man only b/c of her natural instincts as a women to want to reproduce and produce the best offsrping she can. A more masculine man equals better chances for her babies survival. Same reason a ram or sum shit will duke it out with another ram and whoever wins gets to reproduce the female ram. Weare all animals just the most intelligent species too date. 20,000 yrs from now someones going to dig up my skeleton and say hmmm this is a fascinating specimen i wonder how these people lived. Thats jsut how i look at it.



Posted by: ZECH

Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
Actually, she is correct. On average, men go through their sexual prime in the teens and women have their sexual prime in their mid-30's.
I must be a teenager then



Posted by: DontStop

Haha I'm just glad you didnt use a moose in that alnalogy.
That would classify women as cows lol


(Big Buck Hunter Knowledge Ahoy)



Posted by: KelJu

I have always had better luck with older women. Now that I think about it, I have only had sex with 1 girl that was my age or younger, but I have had sex with lots of women in their 30s.



Posted by: DontStop

The oldest person I've slept with was 12 years my senior. Either then that, on average it's between 3-6 years older then me.



Posted by: Bakerboy

At my age I take what I can get. lol I'm only attracted to younger women because of my fear of death- no joke I have seen too many people die that I care about- I like young healthy women who feel they are invicible. Of course being smart and attractive helps too. Handsy women are okay too as when I was growing up my parents did not give me a lot of physical contact.

On a side note. When I was younger I was a sex and substance addict- pretty much I would sleep with whoever male, female - I think I was trying to find love through the giving and receiving of pleasure and looking for my father at the bottom of a bottle.



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote Originally Posted by JOHNYORK View Post
I agree women in their 30s/40s may LIKE sex/ENJOY sex more although only due too experience. However a womens reproductive/fertile primes are in their teenage years, meaning these are the years a women percentages for producing a healthy baby are highest or odds of getting pregnant are highest. (males sperm is healthiest at this time also.) Anyway, hormones are being released in both sexes at their peak in teen years b/c of this. Their bodies are in their PRIME stages for REPRODUCTION not sex. During this stage a female is more attracted to a more masculine man only b/c of her natural instincts as a women to want to reproduce and produce the best offsrping she can. A more masculine man equals better chances for her babies survival. Same reason a ram or sum shit will duke it out with another ram and whoever wins gets to reproduce the female ram. Weare all animals just the most intelligent species too date. 20,000 yrs from now someones going to dig up my skeleton and say hmmm this is a fascinating specimen i wonder how these people lived. Thats jsut how i look at it.


i've been a teenager and am at present 46. as a teenager and into my late 20's sex really wasn't even about being horny. it was about i want him to like me. and it wasn't that enjoyable because it wasn't really sex i was after but the whole relationship, affection thing. i was nervous in bed and was far more likely to be thinking "my thighs are too big" than "harder, harder" and i wanted the lights off or very dim because i was self conscious of my percieved imperfections. then you move past that and you lose the nervousness and inhibitions, you get to know yourself better and what you want, you get to know men and that they aren't as hard on you as you are yourself so you leave the light on and sex becomes better than ever. now you're thinking "oh yes, damn! harder" not just saying it cuz you know he wants you to. younger women are far more likely to fake an orgasm. older women want to come.

and you're wrong about the hormones. when i'm fertile i can tell because my body drives me mad. i never felt that till my 30's. and woman nearing menopause, which i hope is still a ways off for me, often produce hormones in greater abundance than in their teens making multiple births far more common in older women.



Posted by: Bakerboy

I think self acceptance = good loving. To every woman out there- you are perfect- just love yourself, take care of yourself, enjoy yourself, be secure with yourself- that is most attractive. Men and women need to work on their insides not just their outsides.



Posted by: Witchblade

If a girl is nervous in bed she's got both self esteem issues and a bad lover.



Posted by: KelJu

Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade View Post
If a girl is nervous in bed she's got both self esteem issues and a bad lover.
Women feel the same way about guys, and that sums up 90% of my problems with socializing with women. I'm nervous and self conscious as hell, and now I'm self conscious about being self conscious. I can't even say hello without fucking it up, because I my thoughts are running through my mind at light speed. Even when girls flirt with me, I panic.

A girl can smile it me, and I will break eye contact and haul ass in the other direction.

Now let me get some drugs in my system and all is different. When I use to go downtown on x I would pull ass like crazy, but I have never been able to function around women when I was sober. I have never even had sex when I was sober. I was fucked up out of my mind every time I have ever been laid.



Posted by: goob

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
Women feel the same way about guys, and that sums up 90% of my problems with socializing with women. I'm nervous and self conscious as hell, and now I'm self conscious about being self conscious. I can't even say hello without fucking it up, because I my thoughts are running through my mind at light speed. Even when girls flirt with me, I panic.

A girl can smile it me, and I will break eye contact and haul ass in the other direction.

Now let me get some drugs in my system and all is different. When I use to go downtown on x I would pull ass like crazy, but I have never been able to function around women when I was sober. I have never even had sex when I was sober. I was fucked up out of my mind every time I have ever been laid.
I'm curious, what drugs give you the confidence boost to function at the level you want?

Have you ever thought about libido boosting supplements for a mild day-to-day boost in confidence?



Posted by: Little Wing

Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade View Post
If a girl is nervous in bed she's got both self esteem issues and a bad lover.
that's some of it but also not enough working on the emotional aspects before delving into the physical. once the emotional is on firm footing it's far different. another problem younger women have is most young guys are bad lovers. when a woman gets older they realize guys love you to speak up and help them learn to be better lovers.



Posted by: KelJu

Quote Originally Posted by goob View Post
I'm curious, what drugs give you the confidence boost to function at the level you want?

Have you ever thought about libido boosting supplements for a mild day-to-day boost in confidence?

Ecstasy is the drug that allowed me to function normally in a social situation. My fear of myself and other people goes away and I become a social person. I become affectionate and love physical contact. Otherwise I avoid physical contact with people other than a handshake, and that is even with my friends.



Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
Women feel the same way about guys, and that sums up 90% of my problems with socializing with women. I'm nervous and self conscious as hell, and now I'm self conscious about being self conscious. I can't even say hello without fucking it up, because I my thoughts are running through my mind at light speed. Even when girls flirt with me, I panic.

A girl can smile it me, and I will break eye contact and haul ass in the other direction.

Now let me get some drugs in my system and all is different. When I use to go downtown on x I would pull ass like crazy, but I have never been able to function around women when I was sober. I have never even had sex when I was sober. I was fucked up out of my mind every time I have ever been laid.
Did you ever consider that book on NLP?



Posted by: MCx2

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
Ecstasy is the drug that allowed me to function normally in a social situation. My fear of myself and other people goes away and I become a social person. I become affectionate and love physical contact. Otherwise I avoid physical contact with people other than a handshake, and that is even with my friends.
That's me too.



Posted by: KelJu

Quote Originally Posted by BoneCrusher View Post
Did you ever consider that book on NLP?
I considered it, then forgot about it before I had a chance to buy it. I am going to look it up on amazon right now.



Posted by: Blooming Lotus

Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade View Post


Better?

ooh. aand funny.

somewhere around between or in the range of no.2 and no.4 is what I'd typically expect a man whose body I was into to look like, but I don't think I couldn't nott appreciate a guy with a different body neither!.. particularly if was.. transitional....and if nOt.. then he just better have lottts of other stuff that makes him worth appreciating despite it!
and thaat is picky with a capItal P and and capital R for 'why and no really'!

Blooming tianshi Lotus.



Posted by: Nate K

This thread is great.

Lots of people are saying some really meaningful things....Its really comforting to hear how everyone is fucked up.....it really makes me feel better as I've been breakin down lately.

Great Trhead.



Posted by: fufu





Posted by: Nate K

Haha, no big deal.....It's not really a bad thing actually



Posted by: Nate K

growth



Posted by: fufu





Posted by: Blooming Lotus

I think it wherrre the growth should happen is why it's probably not such a bad thing .

Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
i've been a teenager and am at present 46. as a teenager and into my late 20's sex really wasn't even about being horny. it was about i want him to like me. and it wasn't that enjoyable because it wasn't really sex i was after but the whole relationship, affection thing. i was nervous in bed and was far more likely to be thinking "my thighs are too big" than "harder, harder" and i wanted the lights off or very dim because i was self conscious of my percieved imperfections. then you move past that and you lose the nervousness and inhibitions, you get to know yourself better and what you want, you get to know men and that they aren't as hard on you as you are yourself so you leave the light on and sex becomes better than ever. now you're thinking "oh yes, damn! harder" not just saying it cuz you know he wants you to. younger women are far more likely to fake an orgasm. older women want to come.

and you're wrong about the hormones. when i'm fertile i can tell because my body drives me mad. i never felt that till my 30's. and woman nearing menopause, which i hope is still a ways off for me, often produce hormones in greater abundance than in their teens making multiple births far more common in older women.

I don't think that it's about having more hormones when we're older so much as being hornier ( or potenntially) and enjoying it more because we've figured out what to dooo with those hormones!!
On the track of the NLP suggestion and needing to sdrink or use something just to be able to socialise with a fml who you might want to sleep with and getting sweats and anxiety and crazy thoughts and so on just meeting girls and thiis
[quote] " If a girl is nervous in bed she's got both self esteem issues and a bad lover." [ end quote]

I've done a few of those NLP programmes myself. Anthony Robbins is quite kick as* at reeally changing a person's life by changing the language a person uses to communicate with themselves and also helps people to identyify what it is they're actually saaying to themselves in there and recongising the patterns and outcomes of those conversations and the behaviours stemming from them with the idea that it's supposed to help us understand what it is we want and what to say to ourselves to start doing what we need to to acheive that one ideal end picture.
Just really quickly, I think that the reason people get so nervous, over and above the stuff that other people have been saying is allso responsible for it, at our most primal level of conciousness we know that the idea of that contact is to procreate and as humans find a life partner.
That is scary as f*ck, because that invloves finding a lifestyle in a partner that will not only not comprimise what we have alreeady acheived, but then to keep being able to acheive the things that we know deep in the recesses of our heads to be the type of life we would ideally want to create without loosing the people we 've come to want to sleep with and have around and or maybe make a life with .. and then if that's not bad enough, our partners , to bee sincerely attractive, need to be respected by us. The more we acheive, the harder it is to find someone to think of as equal and therefore now knowing what to do with our hormones, and haaving those hormones and knowing what to do them, and recognising how much better sex is and can be and woould be in the hands of a partner who we can be into like thaat and vice versa as a long term thing.. makes it f*cking scary!.. at least that's what makes mee not want to talk to men anyway.. especially when they're hot I might want to sleep with them anyway.
I am a seriously hard person to be equal to! i'm smart healthy aand I want to make money and train alot and raise kids to have certain privildges and knowledge and and i 'm sure that miight end up well worth it , but it's often a really long hard b.s. slog to do all the things in life that organises a person to even bee in a situation where they are really set up long term to be a partners equal...
It doesn't really happen very often that partners don't eirger make a pact to bach or single it out forever or bail and run off with someone else before the other person has a chance to bee the other side of the equality thing so failing thaat, alot of people seem to find that if they take a younger partner or an older one, or a richer one or a poorer one or a less snart one or whathave you, then there's a whole difference in acceptance of thaat one is subordinate and the other has more power and it's good never mention it can be any different again bewcause we don't believe you scenario and that's just what people seem to go with instead of knowing that if they doo create the picture that when it's ready, the partner will appear.. and if the partner has alreaady appeared and isn't ready him or herself at the time then if they f*ck off to go gett ready having now met you and cared enough to want to and know what to, which is pretty bleeding huge anyway, then if you 're still available when they have had a chance to come through on that.. then you just are and so are they and it's set up for forever thereafter sweet like that!. It might take up to 10 yrs to do that sh*t from the time you both meet . .. but it has gott to be better than 70 where we never have that at all. .
that's why it's hard to wait and stay on track about it when easy comprimised prospects cross your path and thaat's why it's hard to want to put anyone through that and have a relationship that means anything..or even pick anyone up without having them or you get hurt.

Laugh at me here if you like, but while ii am getting into a place where Ii am ready to be the other side of that equation, or waiting reeeeally patiently for someone ellse to come through on theeir part, rarely to ever even givving most men a shot in between , even at a one night stand, I just figure that masturbation onn the reason I am or something about the picture i'm doing it for is enough to get me through and even most of the time trurns me on more as beeing soo much better than either selling out by being bought or hooking up with someone I already consider .. subordinate forr the easy prey that that would either make me or them and end up both being less turned on and satisfied later with whatever that would mean .. and do be surprised at what that subordinance can look like in age- finances and asthetics.

I believe I knoww the difference in quality and life and sex will be better as a result of having donne that or finding someone I might wannt to do that with ..again ..much more .. daily and erm.. christ daily sounds pretty sweet actually.. giveortake ..that I guess I'm pretty good with it. and know that If I ever wannt to bail and sell out.. then that option is probably always going to be there too.
Sorry for the long post. I'm only likely to share that with you once and I could be wrong, but that's what i think on it anyway.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.



Posted by: Little Wing

[quote=Blooming Lotus;1604310]
I think it wherrre the growth should happen is why it's probably not such a bad thing .




I don't think that it's about having more hormones when we're older so much as being hornier ( or potenntially) and enjoying it more because we've figured out what to dooo with those hormones!!
On the track of the NLP suggestion and needing to sdrink or use something just to be able to socialise with a fml who you might want to sleep with and getting sweats and anxiety and crazy thoughts and so on just meeting girls and thiis

" If a girl is nervous in bed she's got both self esteem issues and a bad lover."

I've done a few of those NLP programmes myself. Anthony Robbins is quite kick as* at reeally changing a person's life by changing the language a person uses to communicate with themselves and also helps people to identyify what it is they're actually saaying to themselves in there and recongising the patterns and outcomes of those conversations and the behaviours stemming from them with the idea that it's supposed to help us understand what it is we want and what to say to ourselves to start doing what we need to to acheive that one ideal end picture.
Just really quickly, I think that the reason people get so nervous, over and above the stuff that other people have been saying is allso responsible for it, at our most primal level of conciousness we know that the idea of that contact is to procreate and as humans find a life partner.
That is scary as f*ck, because that invloves finding a lifestyle in a partner that will not only not comprimise what we have alreeady acheived, but then to keep being able to acheive the things that we know deep in the recesses of our heads to be the type of life we would ideally want to create without loosing the people we 've come to want to sleep with and have around and or maybe make a life with .. and then if that's not bad enough, our partners , to bee sincerely attractive, need to be respected by us. The more we acheive, the harder it is to find someone to think of as equal and therefore now knowing what to do with our hormones, and haaving those hormones and knowing what to do them, and recognising how much better sex is and can be and woould be in the hands of a partner who we can be into like thaat and vice versa as a long term thing.. makes it f*cking scary!.. at least that's what makes mee not want to talk to men anyway.. especially when they're hot I might want to sleep with them anyway.
I am a seriously hard person to be equal to! i'm smart healthy aand I want to make money and train alot and raise kids to have certain privildges and knowledge and and i 'm sure that miight end up well worth it , but it's often a really long hard b.s. slog to do all the things in life that organises a person to even bee in a situation where they are really set up long term to be a partners equal...
It doesn't really happen very often that partners don't eirger make a pact to bach or single it out forever or bail and run off with someone else before the other person has a chance to bee the other side of the equality thing so failing thaat, alot of people seem to find that if they take a younger partner or an older one, or a richer one or a poorer one or a less snart one or whathave you, then there's a whole difference in acceptance of thaat one is subordinate and the other has more power and it's good never mention it can be any different again bewcause we don't believe you scenario and that's just what people seem to go with instead of knowing that if they doo create the picture that when it's ready, the partner will appear.. and if the partner has alreaady appeared and isn't ready him or herself at the time then if they f*ck off to go gett ready having now met you and cared enough to want to and know what to, which is pretty bleeding huge anyway, then if you 're still available when they have had a chance to come through on that.. then you just are and so are they and it's set up for forever thereafter sweet like that!. It might take up to 10 yrs to do that sh*t from the time you both meet . .. but it has gott to be better than 70 where we never have that at all. .
that's why it's hard to wait and stay on track about it when easy comprimised prospects cross your path and thaat's why it's hard to want to put anyone through that and have a relationship that means anything..or even pick anyone up without having them or you get hurt.

Laugh at me here if you like, but while ii am getting into a place where Ii am ready to be the other side of that equation, or waiting reeeeally patiently for someone ellse to come through on theeir part, rarely to ever even givving most men a shot in between , even at a one night stand, I just figure that masturbation onn the reason I am or something about the picture i'm doing it for is enough to get me through and even most of the time trurns me on more as beeing soo much better than either selling out by being bought or hooking up with someone I already consider .. subordinate forr the easy prey that that would either make me or them and end up both being less turned on and satisfied later with whatever that would mean .. and do be surprised at what that subordinance can look like in age- finances and asthetics.

I believe I knoww the difference in quality and life and sex will be better as a result of having donne that or finding someone I might wannt to do that with ..again ..much more .. daily and erm.. christ daily sounds pretty sweet actually.. giveortake ..that I guess I'm pretty good with it. and know that If I ever wannt to bail and sell out.. then that option is probably always going to be there too.
Sorry for the long post. I'm only likely to share that with you once and I could be wrong, but that's what i think on it anyway.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.
yes. having become old enough n wise enough to really know what I want in a partner, and knowing how futile it is to settle for less, sometimes it seems like i've set myself up for dying lonely because just companionship for the sake of companionship or sex isn't good enough. there's so much more to it than a hard stomach or a pretty face. i want that person that i can actually see there for the rest of it, the long haul. that can enrich my life in more than the bedroom. so at the point in my life where sex is better than ever it's not happening. it's a good thing my head is the boss n not my body and that i found a guy that can accept that right now my priority is raising my kids. it takes a special kind of person to be willing to work the kinks out and make things work rather than jump ship when sometimes that might be the easy thing to do. easy but worthless.

so basically what a woman looks for in a man depends on what she wants. abs n arms are nice but to have something great you need to look a lot deeper than that. so guys work on that character too



Posted by: ZECH

[QUOTE=Little Wing;1604375]
Quote Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus View Post
yes. having become old enough n wise enough to really know what I want in a partner, and knowing how futile it is to settle for less, sometimes it seems like i've set myself up for dying lonely because just companionship for the sake of companionship or sex isn't good enough. there's so much more to it than a hard stomach or a pretty face. i want that person that i can actually see there for the rest of it, the long haul. that can enrich my life in more than the bedroom. so at the point in my life where sex is better than ever it's not happening. it's a good thing my head is the boss n not my body and that i found a guy that can accept that right now my priority is raising my kids. it takes a special kind of person to be willing to work the kinks out and make things work rather than jump ship when sometimes that might be the easy thing to do. easy but worthless.

so basically what a woman looks for in a man depends on what she wants. abs n arms are nice but to have something great you need to look a lot deeper than that. so guys work on that character too
Alot of this can also be true for males as I have found out. There is more to a partner than just sex, and yes, I also think sex is better for me at 43 than it has ever been. I think I am somewhat picky and I also look for certain things in a woman and it is hard to find one like I want, that feels the same way in return. I have dated a girl twice this week and I will see her again tonight that I feel has alot of potential and I think she feels the same, because she was the one really who initiated the dates. So I'm hoping for the best. She is 36, a little younger than me, but age is not the factor. She has a good career and two sons, near the age of my two children. Hopefully, we both want the same things out of life and see interests in each other. Also, what you said about feeling more comfortable as you get older, I think alot here will really not get what that means, as most are younger here, but It makes alot of sense to me. I'm not scared to tell a woman what I like, and I think she needs to do the same. When that happens, it's awesome.



Posted by: Dumby

[QUOTE=dg806;1604415]
Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post

Alot of this can also be true for males as I have found out. There is more to a partner than just sex, and yes, I also think sex is better for me at 43 than it has ever been. I think I am somewhat picky and I also look for certain things in a woman and it is hard to find one like I want, that feels the same way in return. I have dated a girl twice this week and I will see her again tonight that I feel has alot of potential and I think she feels the same, because she was the one really who initiated the dates. So I'm hoping for the best. She is 36, a little younger than me, but age is not the factor. She has a good career and two sons, near the age of my two children. Hopefully, we both want the same things out of life and see interests in each other. Also, what you said about feeling more comfortable as you get older, I think alot here will really not get what that means, as most are younger here, but It makes alot of sense to me. I'm not scared to tell a woman what I like, and I think she needs to do the same. When that happens, it's awesome.
I wish you the best; always great to find someone you feel could work out really well. I'm not going to pretend like I know anything about what I don't, but I feel like women..well girls my age are more confused then anything. Usually they're not sure what they want, but if they usually don't have the plan or means to achieve that. It gets really confusing. Over the past year or two I've really realized high school relationships are more stepping stones to find what you really want. And LittleWing your post has a lot of merit, but I also think it's different now. I know a lot of girls who feel sex is pointless without multiple orgasms. Young girls too. It's kind of scary, and at my age you have to be careful. I think at any age you have to be true to the situation. I think that's what a lot of kids my age don't do. Just be true to how you feel, and things work out. It's really great being able to read the insight a lot of you more experienced people bring to the table.



Posted by: Dumby

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
Ecstasy is the drug that allowed me to function normally in a social situation. My fear of myself and other people goes away and I become a social person. I become affectionate and love physical contact. Otherwise I avoid physical contact with people other than a handshake, and that is even with my friends.
I know exactly what you mean. I have friends who are the exact same way. They feel invincible almost when on X. I don't personally like drugs that alter my
personality. I'm pretty open as it is, and when that comes into play I'm sometimes over bearing. But, I will say that I've abused alcohol way to much at my age. My brother is the exact same way as you or at least he was. The only advice I can offer is look at it like this. Do I really care if this girl shuts me down? No. I don't. Because, I know their is about a million more out their who will find me hilarious and charming. From your post etc I can see your extremely intelligent and beyond that witty. Just be that person. If anything it's something to laugh about later.



Posted by: Witchblade

You may not be as dumb as your name suggests Dumby.



Posted by: Dumby

Nah, I'm just a flying elephant.



Posted by: Nate K

Quote Originally Posted by Dumby View Post
Nah, I'm just a flying elephant.
That's Dumbo.



Posted by: Blooming Lotus

Quote Originally Posted by Dumby View Post
I know exactly what you mean. I have friends who are the exact same way. They feel invincible almost when on X. I don't personally like drugs that alter my
personality. I'm pretty open as it is, and when that comes into play I'm sometimes over bearing. But, I will say that I've abused alcohol way to much at my age. My brother is the exact same way as you or at least he was. The only advice I can offer is look at it like this. Do I really care if this girl shuts me down? No. I don't. Because, I know their is about a million more out their who will find me hilarious and charming. From your post etc I can see your extremely intelligent and beyond that witty. Just be that person. If anything it's something to laugh about later.
Well you only need ONE to find you charming and witty and attractive enough to partner anyway. Are you sure that you needing to use alcohol or drugs isn't somewhat you shutting herr down before you even get there though?
Just a thought ,and if it's hard to answer, then it was meant rhetorically and you don't need to.

Dg806 - I'm glad as a 43 yr old male you say that you can recognise that 's true for men aswell as ourselves. You're right in that not alot of ppl will understand what that's really saying, but I think it's a really big step for men to do that toward creating themselves a scenario of a healthy longterm partnership. Being that we women are the ones on the other end of that, that's GREAT news!!You men break my hearts about it. Seriously. Not to be patronising but well done on getting that far. Hope it works out for you.

Little wing - between this [quote ] knowing how futile it is to settle for less, sometimes it seems like i've set myself up for dying lonely [end quote]

and this [quote ]
so at the point in my life where sex is better than ever it's not happening.[end quote]

lol and thanks . At least it eludes that we know the difference and are planning for it. . and maaybe even prepared to just go down with the ship should we never pull it off. .. orr settle for the comprimise later and know that that's what it would be. It's a funny thing to hear you say you might've set yourself up to die lonely for having recognised those differences and wanting and holding out for the better longtermpicture. I think alot of us are out here quietly working away at the same picture ( give or take) with exaactly thesame thought running through our own heads. now if we can all just get together with one of those others once we've all created a good enough situation to have someone be a permanent part of .. including set up for any children we might or might not decide we 'd need to plan time and money for , then we all live happliy after..
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Blooming tianshi Lotus.



Posted by: Dumby

You might have mis-read my post. I don't use drugs very often in a social setting. If I'm going to do something I want to enjoy it my way, and I get all the high in the world from just being around other people and especially women. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. :] Either way, you make some great points. Especially on the long term picture.



Posted by: Blooming Lotus

My comment was actually in context of your comment addressing this comment. I remember quite a while back myself speaking with a partner and having it being an issue that we'd never had sex together sober so I guess that bit just caught my attention.

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
Women feel the same way about guys, and that sums up 90% of my problems with socializing with women. I'm nervous and self conscious as hell, and now I'm self conscious about being self conscious. I can't even say hello without fucking it up, because I my thoughts are running through my mind at light speed. Even when girls flirt with me, I panic.

A girl can smile it me, and I will break eye contact and haul ass in the other direction.

Now let me get some drugs in my system and all is different. When I use to go downtown on x I would pull ass like crazy, but I have never been able to function around women when I was sober. I have never even had sex when I was sober. I was fucked up out of my mind every time I have ever been laid.

I did hear you say Dumby that you're not into mind altering drugs and sorry if you mis-read what I was getting at.


Glad you're able to enjoy life .

Blooming tianshi Lotus.



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