I am in no way condoning what he said, or how he said it, but there is much more to it than what we know. And I think his ex-wife is just as bad for leaking that out to the media.

He is a prick plain and simple. There is no way to justify him talking to his daughter like that. I also noticed that he didn't know how old she was. Sounds like he is really playing a part in her life.

I did not try to justify what he said, I simply stated there is more to the story then we know about.

He can't play a bigger part in her life, that is why he is upset, there are specific visitation rules in place by the court and his wife is making things even more difficult for him.

I know you weren't trying to justify it. I just think that if he deals with his anger by taking it out on is own kid, maybe he shouldn't play a part in her life.

Ok, first off we don't know the whole story. Second off, they make 12 year old girls a hell of a lot smarter and a lot bitchier that they made em 20 years ago. I'm willing to bet this little girl is the Devil in pigtails and Alec was pushed over the edge. I think it's absolutely outrageous that people have a problem with the way he's talking to his own daughter. Sure it's a little harsh, but boo fucking hoo. First you can't spank them, and now you can't reprimand them!?!?! Releasing this message is obviously a Kim Basinger ploy to make Alec look bad right before their CUSTODY HEARING on May 5th. Talk about knee jerk reactions.

So her mom is a bitch and her dad is a prick. Yeah, this girl should turn out just fine.

You know this for a fact What has she been doing?

He's an a-hole. Big deal..

true, your safe up there in the frozen tundra. i live in so cal

The news channels needed something to talk about so his daddy of the year award winning tirade earned him some press time. He's a dick. An egotistical child abusing dick. But he is a rich egotistical dick, so his poor abused little girl will prolly get over it and just go on spending his money like the next Paris Hilton.

if the kid was supposed to be available to take his call at a certain time and repeatedly wasn't there he was probably frustrated and hurt. at 12 you should be a more decent, responsible, and thoughtful person than what this child's mother has taught her to be. at 12 the child should also have a conscience and some character of her own and at 12 is responsible for her own behavior.

and just what i wonder was precious Ireland's punishment for repeatedly being a pathetic little jerk to her dad? even kids shouldn't be assholes. if it was one or two missed calls he prob wouldn't have lost it. it's a continuing thing and the guy has to go to friggin court all the time to make the conceited twat mom follow court orders she never follows? i'm sure we'd all be perfectly composed in the situation ourselves. not.

Child abusing?

He's beat her before?

If you think verbal abuse isn't just as bad as physical, you would be wrong. To some, verbal is much worse, and does more long term damage.

To some, verbal is much worse, and does more long term damage.

Yes, those people are called pussies.

my guess is that the mom spoils this kid rotten to gain her alliance in being a shit to the dad. he says in the phone call it's been done before. bassinger is a cunt, if he had done it before it would have been in the press then. my guess is he's a normal parent that's taking an abnormal amount of eating his ex wife's shit pie and is really frustrated that his daughter is being abusive to him as well. respect is a two way street n Ireland hasn't earned any respect in a long while i wager.

Child abusing?

He's beat her before?

The words he used and the way he used those words is emotional abuse. Done just one time ... ONE TIME ... is one time too many. On a 12 year old kid?!?!?! Puhlease!

The words he used and the way he used those words is emotional abuse. Done just one time ... ONE TIME ... is one time too many. On a 12 year old kid?!?!?! Puhlease!

Ok, first off we don't know the whole story. Second off, they make 12 year old girls a hell of a lot smarter and a lot bitchier that they made em 20 years ago. I'm willing to bet this little girl is the Devil in pigtails and Alec was pushed over the edge. I think it's absolutely outrageous that people have a problem with the way he's talking to his own daughter. Sure it's a little harsh, but boo fucking hoo. First you can't spank them, and now you can't reprimand them!?!?! Releasing this message to the media is obviously a Kim Basinger ploy to make Alec look bad right before their CUSTODY HEARING on June 5th. Talk about knee jerk reactions.

I have met little satanic children...and they deserve anything coming to them.

have you ever been on the receiving end of a 12 year old child's tirade when they are angry? they aren't poor little babies they are moving toward being young adults that in 6 years will need to know how to live in this world without you there to pat them on the head when they misbehave. 12 years old is damn well old enough for a person being an asshole to be told they are being one. i think he was harsh but i think Ireland needs some tough love or she's going to be as big a cunt as her mother is. the cruel thing would be to let this go unchecked and let the child grow up to be a person despised for her personality and behavior.

the only danger i see in Ireland's life is that she is living with a woman that is teaching her to snub her nose at other people, including her own father, and at the law. what kind of person do you think a pampered brat allowed to treat other people like shit is going to be? i say she has better chances with her father because at least he expects decency of her. her mother obviously has set no standards for this child at all.

This really isn't about an abusive father. It's about a failed marriage and the vindictive actions of people who now loath each other.

Ok, first off we don't know the whole story. Second off, they make 12 year old girls a hell of a lot smarter and a lot bitchier that they made em 20 years ago. I'm willing to bet this little girl is the Devil in pigtails and Alec was pushed over the edge. I think it's absolutely outrageous that people have a problem with the way he's talking to his own daughter. Sure it's a little harsh, but boo fucking hoo. First you can't spank them, and now you can't reprimand them!?!?! Releasing this message to the media is obviously a Kim Basinger ploy to make Alec look bad right before their CUSTODY HEARING on June 5th. Talk about knee jerk reactions.

Yes, those people are called pussies.

Hate to do it but you're getting one of these:

I was so wicked when I was a child, I brought a few of my teachers to tears by the time I was 7. I only wish that my parents had done me the service of talking to me like an adult, and putting me where I needed to be put. Instead, my parents did the "right thing" by not "emotionally abusing" me and I was a terror right up until the day they both died.

You obviously don't have much experience with problem children. On the show Super Nanny all that lovey dovey bullshit might appear to work all the time, but IMO child psychiatrists don't give kids enough credit. They know what's going on, and they know exactly what they need to do to manipulate their parents in order to get what they want (I sure did). That has obviously been going on in this situation, not to mention like LittleWing said, I'm sure Kim isn't doing anything to help the situation, and Alec felt it was time she got a dose of reality.

Sorry ReproBro but you confuse discipline with abuse. You do not need to demean a child to apply strong discipline. I demanded respect from every kid that that I've ever had the blessing to have in my life. Then I did my best to earn it.

Your obvious part missed the mark. Big time. I gots mooocho experience wiff problem utes.

-----> Ran group homes and half way houses for problem utes.

"No Billy you don't hit people with a stick. That is soooo wrong. You know this. Billy we've talked about this before and I've told you ... use a bat it does more damage. Here use mine .... yeah that's it. Hit her again and listen ... hear that femur break?" See you gotta train these little utes properly if they're gonna grow up to be healthy in their heads. It's all about technique really ...

On the serious side it is not under any circumstances ever going to benefit the kid's adult perspectives to talk to the kid "like an adult" if by that you mean like DOMS does.

Sorry ReproBro but you confuse discipline with abuse. You do not need to demean a child to apply strong discipline. I demanded respect from every kid that that I've ever had the blessing to have in my life. Then I did my best to earn it.

Your obvious part missed the mark. Big time. I gots mooocho experience wiff problem utes.

-----> Ran group homes and half way houses for problem utes.

"No Billy you don't hit people with a stick. That is soooo wrong. You know this. Billy we've talked about this before and I've told you ... use a bat it does more damage. Here use mine .... yeah that's it. Hit her again and listen ... hear that femur break?" See you gotta train these little utes properly if they're gonna grow up to be healthy in their heads. It's all about technique really ...

On the serious side it is not under any circumstances ever going to benefit the kid's adult perspectives to talk to the kid "like an adult" if by that you mean like DOMS does.

Exactly! Discipline with compassion. I remember getting my ass torn up for doing stupid shit like playing with gasoline in my sand pile when I was about 6 or 7. Now I think back on that ass whoop'en and laugh. I also appreciate the memory, because I never played with gasoline again. There is nothing wrong with that and there are too many kids that need ass whoop'ens and don't get them.


Now lets look at the other side where so many of you think there is nothing wrong with what Alan said. What if my father had called me a stupid fucking little shit for playing with gasoline and went on and on for 10 minutes about how worthless and dumb I was or some stupid shit like that. That kind of thing fucks a kid up, and fuck every one of you guys playing the tough guy that shit wouldn't have bothered me as a kid routine.

Dude, you're not normal. You are all fucked up in the head, and you say it all the time. Obviously something went wrong in your development, so why don't you stick to things you know more about like growing beards....

I understand the things that made me fucked up, and I can see it happening to other people as it happens. I know more then you think. There are ways to deal with children, and verbally attacking them isn't one of them. There are 100s of ways to deal with that situation, and just shy of beating the shit out of the girl with a bat, Alan couldn't have handled the situation any worse.

I understand the things that made me fucked up, and I can see it happening to other people as it happens. I know more then you think. There are ways to deal with children, and verbally attacking them isn't one of them. There are 100s of ways to deal with that situation, and just shy of beating the shit out of the girl with a bat, Alan couldn't have handled the situation any worse.

Yeah, you're right. Lets just be complete douche nozzles to our kids. It will toughen them right up. We can't have pussies running around now can we?

have you ever been on the receiving end of a 12 year old child's tirade when they are angry?

Yet you think an ass whooping is good according to your last post. So which is it?

Telling that girl that she's punished and she needs to go to her room to think about it is probably a better option. She'll be miserable. She'll lie on her $2000 dollar bed, watching her 52" plasma TV while chatting with her friends on her Blackberry. Oh the misery.

Baldwin even claims that Basinger had manufactured a chocolate-bar
for Ireland, its wrapper allegedly besmirching his name and detailing
his relations with other women, an example of which he sent to the
court judge. He also claims that his ex-wife has a "pathological need"
to turn his daughter against him, saying she "has so contaminated this
child that she doesn’t even want to be with her father".

is no one concerned that this kid is being raised by a psychopath? a woman that talked openly about fantasizing killing her child's father?

I haven't defended her once. She is probably psychopathic bitch. She probably has turned the girl against him. But none of that warrents what he said to his daughter. Now people can say this and that about who they want, but the only facts I have are a tape of Alan being a complete asshole to his kid. Maybe somebody can find something of Kim being a bitch to Alan and turning her kid against him, and we could start a whole different thread about that. It seems everyone here is jumping to defend his remarks.


You know... I don't don't give a shit anymore. I'm tired of trying to make the point that nobody is going to get.

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And reproman, your a hypocrite. You went off of the rant about people making assumptions about you then you do it to other people. I have dedicated my life to understanding how the mind works. I took as many psychology electives as I could. I have read as many books as I could get my hands on about how the brain develops and how the mind works. I have been educating myself for the last 7 or more years in my mission to become a well rounded whole person. I stumble and fall sometimes but I pick myself up and carry on.

I stumble and fall sometimes but I pick myself up and carry on.

Alec stumbled. I just don't think you should form a complete opinion of a person from their mistakes. If this is the first time he's talked to her this way, and i'm willing to bet it is as kim undoubtedly would have publicized it before now.

in reading psychology books you probably read too that a verbal abuser is defined, among other things, as one who cannot or will not change their ways and is unrepentant. He seems pretty sorry. He seriously needs to get a grip on his frustration and his mouth but it doesn't make him a monster.

One of my uncles lost his cool with me once and swore a blue streak. At the time i was devastated, now i know he was scared to death seeing two 5 yr olds about to attempt a second story escape with sheets tied together. me n my cousin watched too much tv i think.

I don't think he was out of line. All kids do the same shit. Play anything they can to their advantage. I've done it. I still do it, but on a much smaller scale. I've had my mom and dad say much worse and when I was younger about my actions. It's the kind of things some kids need to hear. It's part of the growing process for both of them.

I disagree 100%.

The problem kids that end up in halfway homes are not born with a silver spoon in their mouthes. Completely different. This girl has obviously been handed everything she's ever wanted and more, and they have created a monster out of her. Chances are the kids you dealt with were from broken homes, no money, no opportunity, basically nothing. The problem children I refer to are selfish most of the time rich, and too smart for their own good. They have EVERYTHING and always want more. Kids that end up in halfway houses are 9 times out of ten PHYSICALLY abused, or abandoned. These kids have already seen more than a child should ever see in regards to hardship and yes I agree, these kids should not be treated like adults, because they have basically missed out on their childhoods as it is.

You will get absolutely nowhere with a smart ass little spoiled rich kid by sugar coating things. She needed to hear what he had to say, and I completely understand where he was coming from. She's lucky to have a father that cares enough to get that upset.

While Alec probably could have chosen better words, he had every right to say what he did to that girl in that situation. And whether it sunk in or not, she needed to hear that, because it's probably the truth.

You again think that I'm saying discipline requires a sugar coating. It doesn't. How you put the smack dab on a kid when he or she needs to be dealt with doesn't EVER require name calling or insults. EVER. You wanna get in a kid's face for misbehaving do it hard as the situation calls for ... without insults or degradation. Consequence has to be there for unacceptable actions, but that consequence CANNOT ever include abuse.

"You're an ignorant little pig" can be replaced with
"You're acting like a selfish inconsiderate brat. I haven't ever treated you this way and will not accept that from you." Unless of course he has treated her that way in which case he's fucked. If he conducted himself in a rude selfish way with her he deserves what ever he gets.

Friends and neighbors this is a Hollywood break-up. We're all clueless about the real deal between these two parents so all this he did she said blah blah blah is just lawyer spin ... high paid lawyer spin.

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I don't need to be captain obvious about how bad rich people fuck their kids over same as poor people do. They get abandoned, sexually and physically abused, and left out there in the hands of the public system same as the po folk's childrens.

In California (where I worked with the childrens) if CPS sees the kid is getting abused then the system gets involved. Yes indeedy the richer peeps were able to get away with more for longer, but we still wound up with their kids in our facilities. The rich kids brought with them the issues of social status (of course they were raised to see that they better than us peons) as well as what ever damage was done in their heads or what ever troubles they were born with.

It was heart breaking to see what people do to their own children.

Bottom line is that there's never a situation where disrespecting a kid is acceptable. ReproBro ... shhhhhhh I didn't say don't discipline ... I said don't disrespect. You can respect the the hell out of a kid as you do what you do to discipline him or her. For example a rear naked choke doesn't do any damage at all to the kid's physiology so you have my permission to go there if you need to ... but callin her a pig while you do it is a major no-no . Hope that clears things up a little

I still disagree.

It's 100% your opinion that you shouldn't disrespect your kids. She knows better than to disrespect her father, and he knows she's old enough to get it back. No offense, but it's his daughter and ultimately his decision to say what he feels he needs to in order to convey his point, whether you think it's "right" or not. I don't approve of a lot of things, but I'm in no position to say if it's right or wrong. Like I said before, it was a poor choice of words, but in the end, that's not what it's about. Apparently everyone is a saint here and has never said something questionable. Alec is not a bad person, or a bad father for this. Period.

Yeah, but you have to realize if this happened this time I am sure it has happened before. Besdies that this will be something she will always remember. I am a man with 3 kids and I know I wouldnt even dream about talking that way around my kids, let alone talk to them directly like that. But hey maybe I am just a softy.

Your missing it. Dispite the situation you cannot talk like that to your daughter. You are the adult and she is the child.

By the way I work swing shifts.

He told an 11 or 12 year old girl hes goin to fly out there and when he does shes goin to get it! Sounds physical to me.

You say "tomato, I say "tomato".....spelled the same just how do you pronounce it?!

I still disagree.

It's 100% your opinion that you shouldn't disrespect your kids. She knows better than to disrespect her father, and he knows she's old enough to get it back. No offense, but it's his daughter and ultimately his decision to say what he feels he needs to in order to convey his point, whether you think it's "right" or not. I don't approve of a lot of things, but I'm in no position to say if it's right or wrong. Like I said before, it was a poor choice of words, but in the end, that's not what it's about. Apparently everyone is a saint here and has never said something questionable. Alec is not a bad person, or a bad father for this. Period.

It's not only not 100% my opinion, it's common teaching in every child psychology class in every university on the planet. Self esteem issues are severely impacted by this kind of poor parenting.

We disagree. Seems like we will continue to do so. It's okay I forgive you .

My sainthood not withstanding, I haven't ever treated my son like that. Never will. The result is we are the best of friends AND enjoy a tremendous mutual respect. There were times when he was a complete and total asshole ... but I never called him one. Never called him a pig or anything like that. I've always called him on the issues ... if it was needed, but I did it with respect to him as an individual, even if it meant spanking his ass to do it. When the spanking came he knew before he did what ever he did what was coming ... "If I dude it I get a whoopin' ... but I dude it anyways" was part of how he did things sometimes. That was his call.

I'm calling a spade a spade and bad parenting bad parenting ... Baldwin screwed the pooch and had no business doing it. He should take a class or something so he doesn't repeat the same mistakes.

This story will not go away ... so we'll see what the courts decide. Maybe, if it is interesting enough for us to all put our judgmental posting time in on we'll debate this one again. If not ... ... we'll discuss something more useful to our daily lives like say ... the moral future of Paris Hilton and should she be allowed to reproduce.

If you're so educated on the matter then how do you fail to see what's going on here? You are completely dismissing the fact that this girl, being the daughter of 2 celebrities, has probably already seen and heard more than most 18 year olds have in their lives. 12 year old little girls in her situation can be manipulative little bitches, I've seen it first hand.

My buddy Daby was in a custody battle just a few years ago, and how convenient, his daughter was 12. This little girl used the tension between her parents to get absolutely ANYTHING she wanted. She played Daby and Christina like a fucking drum. When Daby was trying to punish her for acting up, she'd call mommy and get her way, and vice versa. It was a fucking nightmare. Both parents wanted to one up each other to gain custody and she knew it. See where I'm going with this?

You hear that phone call and you hear a douche bag of a man acting tough to his poor defenseless 12 year old.

I listened to the recording AFTER I read the facts and I heard a stressed out father that has been probably bending over backwards, doing everything in his power to get custody of a little girl that I GUARANTEE you tells him all the time "I hate mommy, I wanna live with you." I also guarantee she says the exact same things to Kim Basinger.

While Alec probably could have chosen better words, he had every right to say what he did to that girl in that situation. And whether it sunk in or not, she needed to hear that, because it's probably the truth.

The truth is a lot of people's kids aren't very smart, good lucking, athletic, hard working, or successful. They don't need to hear that. You shouldn't say " hey johnny why don't you stop being a dumbass and do better in school", or hey billy, you are one ugly fucking kid, you sure do take after your mother". There are a lot of asshole parents that tell their kids messed up stuff like that, and the kids are directly affected by that. No, if your kid is failing in school you help your kid with his homework, and teach them how to overcome their shortcomings to be a strong healthy adult. You never under any circumstances berate your kid and call them a pig or whatever else. Just like Bonecrusher said, it is common fact any any and every psychology class or book you will ever read. It should be common sense among people that considers them self a decent human being. But we have a lot of assholes that think that kind of behavior is ok, hence we have so many fucked up people walking around. Your environment is going to play the most part in how you turn out combined with genetics playing a smaller part. Being a bitch is not a genetic trait. The girl has been raised to be the way she is, and judging by Kim's behavior, the kid is exactly what she was raised to be..a bitch. So rather than taking his anger out on the cause of the problem, Kim, he takes it out on his daughter in the dumbest move ever which will only push her farther from him. One or two tirades like than, and he will never be able to earn her trust again.

You assume too much. I don't have the facts, and neither does anyone here. The only fact is the tape recording. Maybe he can still reach his daughter, but it is going to take a massive effort, and one hell of a good explanation for why he did that. Its human nature to lash out when you are hurt, and no doubt he had been hurt by his wife and his daughter. But, you can't give in to the urge to lash out at your kids in a hurtful way.

I am not making this post to when an argument or look cool, or any of that shit. I believe with every being of my soul that children shouldn't be abused either physically or verbally. That is my point, and hopefully someone will consider it for at least a moment before they try to form some rebuttal to it, because I am done and I have said what I wanted to say.

Your 17 you dont even get a vote. I have 3 kids and I know if I were to talk to any of them like that, they would be past distraught, they would be scared to talk to me for sometime.

Yeah they do things in ways to be little mean. But thats why they are the kids and we are the adults.

That makes no sense? They'd be "past distraught". He said things that I would have thought of for using later on other people at 12 years old. If my father said that stuff to me I'd laugh now. No, I think maybe your children were just raised different, or maybe they just have different personalities then what I did.

You truely are an idiot arent you? You really cant even begin to comment on this situation your still a kid yourself. Whenever you were 10 years old you wouldve laughed? I highly doubt it! Especially a little girl. I know my little girls are very fragile whenever it comes to hearing bad things. You can have an opinion, but your opinion means nothing at 17 years old.

Until you have kids and figure out how kids are suppose to be treated please, dont act like you know what a proper parent should act like.

Dont come on here with your month and start playing the fool. Different growing up or not, right is right and this isnt right at all.

So you think calling your child names is ok?

Dont come on here with your month and start playing the fool. Different growing up or not, right is right and this isnt right at all.

So you think calling your child names is ok?

I can agree with maybe she was acting like a brat. However, you DO NOT call your child names. And threaten her. Saying, "Your going to get it whenever I get out there".

Hell maybe she didnt answer the phone because thats they way he talks to her all the time.

Your talking about getting in a fight with your father and your a male. We are talking about an 11 year old girl. When children are younger than have a much more difficult time with things. As they get older, then things are different.

Again you dont call your child names! You have to act like an adult! You dont act the part of the child as well. Just immaturity coming out.

Ok ok, what the fuck is going on?

I am with Repro on most of his arguments, actually all of them. This is clearly a different situation from anyone's on here.

Before this phone call, I remember working LP at Kmart and reading countless Enquirers on this shitty marriage. It looked like he went through hell. He also looked like he had a temper. I would not disagree that hes prolly talked like this before and it is also not impossible to say that it was worse.

However...

Going through all that hell, all that shit women put us through, then you gotta worry about fucking photographers, interviews, public opinions, thats a lot of shit stacked on the usual seperation crisis of parents. This is common sense.

I thought his name callings was totally not needed, but I hardly heard any cuss words (if any). Plus, telling a daughter about getting "it" doesnt seem like anything but parental punishment. I think the call couldve been a LOT worse.

Was it abusive? I guess. I dont know, I am not her. It wasnt nice. It wasnt a model for good parenting.

I don't how being a parent your value's can be absolute.

You know what just worry about raising your own kids and stop worrying about judging how someone else raises there kids, cause really it is non of your business. What you do may work for you, what someone else does works for them.

People need to stop thinking they know the solution to everyones problems, and just mind there own fucking business. If a parents wants to spank so be it, if a parent wants to yell at there kids so be it. Who am I to judge, I know nothing about the situation at hand.

Just worry about you and yours.

I was just sharing my input. There is no absolute answer in parenting. Do I agree with what I heard from Alec NO! But who am I to judge. I have my own life and family to worry about.

There is no simple answer to how people parent. Unless we are in that situation how can we evaluate what is right or wrong?

What a cute little Bromance going on in here...

Suck it

You can be a part of our "bromance" as well.

I don't know exactly why he was yelling at her but you know what everybody my Dad yelled at me when i fucked up and instilled fear in me that he was going to kick my ass if i did it again. I thank my Dad everyday for this because if he didn't God knows what i would have done with no forceful guidance. People are getting to soft and letting kids get away with too much, this is the reason that we have such a big problem with child obesity, parents are trying to be their kids friends rather than their parents. I am not saying parents need to go out and beat their children within an inch of their life, but giving them a spanking or a smack on the back of the head won't kill them, but it will do a world of good.

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I think she is going to have some issues

Aaaaah. Make this fucking thread go away!!!

I only want kids so they can do the dishes, take out the trash, and dust the house. Damn do I hate dusting...

what would you do to punish her for her behavior? how would you resolve the issue?

Isn't that what the wife is for

Kids are meant to bring you the Newspaper, Beer, and food.

Burn her with cigarettes.

did you watch fists of fury last night too?

No, who's in that, Bronson?

I had several asshole parents that talked to their children in front of me (the teacher) like that...I wanted to kill every one of those asshats or maybe choke their necks until the fucking eyeballs popped out.