I disagree.

1. fish-oil
2. multi-vitamin

That's it. The rest isn't necessary, it's optional (whey, creatine, glutamine).

Yeah. Creatine is totally optional, and Whey is more of a convieniance than a necessity.

When i didnt take Multi-Vits while training i was getting colds too often, and when i didnt take Fish Oils my joints were absolute agony after a few weeks heavy lifting.

What's sufflower oil? If it's either sunflower or safflower oils, these have about 70 times more omega-6 than omega-3 (very bad) which is the complete opposite of flaxseed oil which has about 4 times more omega-3 than omega-6 (very good).

Fats don't make people fat. Too many calories do! Essential Fatty Acids are called that for a reason, just like Essential Amino Acids. The Western diet contains way too much omega-6 compared to omega-3 which is why flaxseed oil and/or fish oils are so important. A high o-6 to o-3 ratio in the diet is associated with many diseases e.g. Heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes, cancer, mental problems and it aggravates inflammatory conditions like psoriasis, lupus, IBS, asthma, eczema, RA.

Just quickly while we're here I want to address this. Firstly though I want to say that the 'ner' comment was immature and I didn't reeally appreciate that nor think your information was overly accurate . We don't have to agree and you're perfectly entitled be as immature as you wish.

Moving on.
With regard to fat inbalance being causal to alot of those you mentioned, I believe that if you looked more closelly you might find that they are caused or initiated by hyperglycodemia and or cell communication issues.. off which can come from an unbalance of protein fat orr carbohydrate intake comparitive to elimination and use and so forth.

As far as mental illness goes, I have already explained that kelp has been clinically proven to be a natural remedy to nuero -communication breakdownsand several other thinhgs that I feel really pertinent to this type of crowd. I really would liketo come back and talk to you more abouut this and I will attempt to do that.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.

I didn't saay hyperglycemia, I said hypergylcodemia... it refers to a bubbling of staganating unused dietary sugar which precipitates a whole host of really nasty reactions in our bodies.... and over existing conditions serves to exaccabate and intitate whole other systemary breakdowns.
Because everything we eat breaks down into one form or other of syrup as it metabolises and catabolises,.. a constant stimuli like that does things to activate certain dna and receptors to promote a cancer spreading environment... bearing in mind those genes are already there and waiting for an environment to thrive in...of which toxicity provides it and of which a staganating culmulation of constant non-elimination of any of fat / protein or carb or semi - metabolised derivitives of those can do for us... why some ppl get cancer from smoking and others don't. way to suffocate one's way to breed some nastys.

I waas being playful in that post from the other thread you responded to but to personalise an attack with a condescending snipe, I feel to be immature and generally uncalled for. If that's how you play then that's how you play, no harm done.

I'm fairly sure that I've already explained this on another thread somewhere and to be honest, I don't think I'm overly prepared to go into deep lecture mode here about it, however,.. ..
The reeason for fats in our diet, and essential fats at that, is for cell communication / to cool our cells down ad to act as lubricant. I don't really want to get into long winded complicated nuero -science with you, but it's the oils in the cells and between or around them that provide something for the nuero-signals to pass through and be assimilated by. When there are really low fats in a person's diet, that person becomes at risk of comprimising not only that process in their brains but also throughout their entire bodies.
To cater for the lack of fat to utilise to pass that message throughout the bodies fluids and from cell to cell and nerve cells and through nerve systems, a more abrasive cell friction or neurotransmitter can be employed through use of mineral salts and kelp as , to the best of my knowledge atm, the best source of that. .. which is likely because of the other goodies contained therein .. like melatonin and potassium for example.,,also reeally a wonder substance in terms of hyperthyroidism and most particularly Imo relevant for B.B.'s and elite athletes lacking in fats for extended periods running risks of all sorts of health comprimises for it's coolant and lubricant value and putting themselves at risk of stagnation of really vital processes that kelp also caters to.

I think there are lots of factors to mental illness, but one thing they all seem to have in common is that neccessary for healthful function is a. good stable consistent condutor fluids B. good stable cells and consistent cell integrity to pass and receive signals and c. a good constant inter-conductor fluid nuerotransmitter ph ( ?)for the neurosignal to pass from the fluid into and out of the cell through. There are loads of ways to mess up that process or have your body not have that present. .. and hence why 1 in every 100 Amercians are supposedly schitzophrenic and why 1 in every 3 people are supposedly meantally ill in one shape or other. just not eating enough carbs and running into glycogen deficit can cause flatness and chronic depression.. as can not being able to go to the toilet or irritable bowels or untened niggley pains endured over extended periods, various nutritional decifts or toxicities and so on and so forth.
I think it somewhat also comes down to creating an alkaline enviroment ..
It also seems to have something to do with heavy metal pollution , higholy responsible for mental illness and kelp's benift as a heavy metal detox agent. Sulfur also has a role in lifting some of these nasty chemical poisons that interfere with nuerotransmitters and cause mental disturbance and imbalances throughout the body and various sympathetic systems.. in the same way using chewing gum might help you to remove chewing gum that's already stuck somewhere.. (if that makes any sense.), leaving then only to flush with water and pee or poop it's elimination.


I'm not sure I neccessarily agree with all of this as an absolute, but it iis a really good place to start understanding the role of nutrition in mental illness.


Alternative Mental Health



Marine Plants To Boost Immunity and Detoxify

Acadian Sea Kelp provides iodine to the body for correct functioning of the thyroid gland, which influences overall health, metabolism, skin and coat. Kelp also contributes to good pigmentation. Kelp contains some protein, is rich in iodine, calcium, sulfur, magnesium, iron, copper, phosphorus, sodium and potassium as well as vitamins A, B, E and D. Kelp also contains something called mannitol, a gentle purgative and bile stimulant, small amounts of lecithin, a phosphorus compound thought to be of great importance in the knitting of broken bones, especially in the older dog, and some carotin, a precursor to vitamin A production.



how does kelp treat schizophrenia? - Google Search


I'm not neccessarily recommend that ppl don't take efa's , particularly occassionally women trying to stay fertile and children
It's quite a shit long complicated thing to get into, so I reeally hope that helps you out. Here's one more :-
iodine deficiency causing mental illness - Google Search


P.s. Zonaguy you are welcome.

lordy. and I thought I was already due to stop posting here as it was!.. not that anyone 'd ask too much or I'd get sucked into the forum request trap, but here .

1. I don't know what your training schedule is.

2. I don't know what your training schedule is + imho peanut bad. everything you can from iit you can get from much more efficient sources..without the other rubbish in it.

3. no opinion without knowing what vetgetables what proteins or what you did or about to do that needs to be fueled by it. I am nOt a mind reader!.

4. good. do 8.
Ideally take nourishment each 2 waking hrs.

the end.

Sorry Zonaguy but I'm just coming out of a bad long and painful experience and head fuck of a time consuming b.s. experience of being reeally badly harrassed on another board for 4 yrs. I think you'll have to ask someone else.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.

p.s. you might want to add what your lifting x how many and considering you 've been going on about all this other stuff you were doing or wanting to do, anything else you might be doing aswell so ppl can advise you properly and without beating around the bush for weeks to be able to do that. Ppl get paaid to do this for ppl. If you get an answer, consider yourself lucky. A client is big commitment. Next you'll be asking me to do the workout for you. I wont do that with you.
Amen.

Post me a weeks food and training blog and onn this thread and I'll think about it.

I don't do private messages because it half creeps me out that. It's like.. calling me at hm or something and trying to pal up when i'm reeally wondering whotf you are and why you're bugging me.
If you indulge this p.m. ing fantago certain ppl tend to misconstrue the nature of one's impasse and want to call for real and come visit and hang out and have in depth private conversations about shit in your life and your head and Idn want to do that. Maybe ever again! lol . but really.
If you want to ask a question and explain what it is you want and do it publicly, it could be entirely likely someone might even answer.
Cant eat creatine because youre on meds but you do beef? @). I think you're full of shit . If I'm wrong I just am and I'll be happy to burn in hell for a while because of it. If you're lonely and depressed and just hard up for company I highly suggest getting yourself a life or getting busy working twds putting one togther.



Blooming Lotus
p.s. if you are dyying because of that beef consumption I apologise...and lol...really quietly.

I didn't saay hyperglycemia, I said hypergylcodemia... it refers to a bubbling of staganating unused dietary sugar which precipitates a whole host of really nasty reactions in our bodies.... and over existing conditions serves to exaccabate and intitate whole other systemary breakdowns.

Because everything we eat breaks down into one form or other of syrup as it metabolises and catabolises,.. a constant stimuli like that does things to activate certain dna and receptors to promote a cancer spreading environment... bearing in mind those genes are already there and waiting for an environment to thrive in...of which toxicity provides it and of which a staganating culmulation of constant non-elimination of any of fat / protein or carb or semi - metabolised derivitives of those can do for us... why some ppl get cancer from smoking and others don't. way to suffocate one's way to breed some nastys.

I waas being playful in that post from the other thread you responded to but to personalise an attack with a condescending snipe, I feel to be immature and generally uncalled for. If that's how you play then that's how you play, no harm done.

I'm fairly sure that I've already explained this on another thread somewhere and to be honest, I don't think I'm overly prepared to go into deep lecture mode here about it, however,.. ..
The reeason for fats in our diet, and essential fats at that, is for cell communication / to cool our cells down ad to act as lubricant. I don't really want to get into long winded complicated nuero -science with you, but it's the oils in the cells and between or around them that provide something for the nuero-signals to pass through and be assimilated by. When there are really low fats in a person's diet, that person becomes at risk of comprimising not only that process in their brains but also throughout their entire bodies.
To cater for the lack of fat to utilise to pass that message throughout the bodies fluids and from cell to cell and nerve cells and through nerve systems, a more abrasive cell friction or neurotransmitter can be employed through use of mineral salts and kelp as , to the best of my knowledge atm, the best source of that. .. which is likely because of the other goodies contained therein .. like melatonin and potassium for example.,,also reeally a wonder substance in terms of hyperthyroidism and most particularly Imo relevant for B.B.'s and elite athletes lacking in fats for extended periods running risks of all sorts of health comprimises for it's coolant and lubricant value and putting themselves at risk of stagnation of really vital processes that kelp also caters to.

I think there are lots of factors to mental illness, but one thing they all seem to have in common is that neccessary for healthful function is a. good stable consistent condutor fluids B. good stable cells and consistent cell integrity to pass and receive signals and c. a good constant inter-conductor fluid nuerotransmitter ph ( ?)for the neurosignal to pass from the fluid into and out of the cell through. There are loads of ways to mess up that process or have your body not have that present. .. and hence why 1 in every 100 Amercians are supposedly schitzophrenic and why 1 in every 3 people are supposedly meantally ill in one shape or other. just not eating enough carbs and running into glycogen deficit can cause flatness and chronic depression.. as can not being able to go to the toilet or irritable bowels or untened niggley pains endured over extended periods, various nutritional decifts or toxicities and so on and so forth.
I think it somewhat also comes down to creating an alkaline enviroment ..
It also seems to have something to do with heavy metal pollution , higholy responsible for mental illness and kelp's benift as a heavy metal detox agent. Sulfur also has a role in lifting some of these nasty chemical poisons that interfere with nuerotransmitters and cause mental disturbance and imbalances throughout the body and various sympathetic systems.. in the same way using chewing gum might help you to remove chewing gum that's already stuck somewhere.. (if that makes any sense.), leaving then only to flush with water and pee or poop it's elimination.

I'm not sure I neccessarily agree with all of this as an absolute, but it iis a really good place to start understanding the role of nutrition in mental illness.
Alternative Mental Health
Marine Plants To Boost Immunity and Detoxify
Acadian Sea Kelp provides iodine to the body for correct functioning of the thyroid gland, which influences overall health, metabolism, skin and coat. Kelp also contributes to good pigmentation. Kelp contains some protein, is rich in iodine, calcium, sulfur, magnesium, iron, copper, phosphorus, sodium and potassium as well as vitamins A, B, E and D. Kelp also contains something called mannitol, a gentle purgative and bile stimulant, small amounts of lecithin, a phosphorus compound thought to be of great importance in the knitting of broken bones, especially in the older dog, and some carotin, a precursor to vitamin A production.
how does kelp treat schizophrenia? - Google Search
I'm not neccessarily recommend that ppl don't take efa's , particularly occassionally women trying to stay fertile and children. It's quite a shit long complicated thing to get into, so I reeally hope that helps you out. Here's one more :-
iodine deficiency causing mental illness - Google Search
P.s. Zonaguy you are welcome.

so omega 3= fish oil= the goods?

Hypergylcodemia is not a psuedo anything. I discovered the term in the last few weeks while I was trying to find why in my hepatic fulminance i keep nearly ( literally and every few days or so)dyying from metabolic intolerance, fats and most complex carbs kept registering in my body as a nuecrosis. .. or dangerous pathonogen sending me into painful death fits.

God. If that's your picture in the avi shot, then it would likely insult my intelligence to even take you seriously about very much. sorry.

And I didn't say dietary carbs produce glucose, I said everything we eat does.
What is a calory and how do we milk energy from it?? What is energy from food? ..

Forget it.@)...and yes. when I hear stupid shit i get humor bypassedness . old .tired. better spending my energy on me and preserving my youth and charmingly attractive geneage.. whatever.
Blooming tianshi Lotus.

You don't sound too well. Are you sure that you have correctly diagnosed your problem?
Ooh, an insult! I love a bit of banter. Do you have the courage of your convictions to put up a recent picture of you in your avi? Mine was taken on 3rd March 2007. I'm 52 years old, so I'm not doing too bad for an old-un am I? I'm in much better health than you are, so who should be taking whom seriously? EDIT: Oh, and by the way, did you know that the "ad-hominem" attack (personal insult) is an extremely poor debating tactic and is usually used by the person losing the debate as a last resort. Just so's you know.
Let's be a little quantitative about this. 100% of starch ends up as blood glucose. 50% of sucrose ends up as glucose, the other 50% ending up as fructose. About 53% of proteins can end up as glucose (if not used for muscle growth). About 5% of fats ends up as glucose (derived from the glycerol backbone). Are you familiar with fatty acid oxidation?
Yeah, whatever! Show us your photo. Self praise is no recommendation!

I'm sure there are ppl herewith muuch more knowledge than both of us...about one thing or other...
I personally have been qualified and advising ppl in diet exercise and nutritional health since I was 17. I'm now 32.

I knoww you have no idea where I'm coming from

and particularly in regard to certain 'anti-health predispositional risks' that elite athletes and b.b.'s face down the track ( unless you'd like to tell us of your time as an elite athlete and such forth)

and other things that need to be corrected in their lives to avoid and cater for these types of demands and it is a damming shame that it gets so hard to painlessly help ppl get informed. This is nott stuff most ppl will likely see need for until it becomes pertinnent to themselves. It's a horrible to me that it has to be affter their health and lives collapse first... One can but try. Que sera.
Blooming tianshi Lotus.

oh and Self-praise ( or rather acknowledgement) is a neccessary evil... helps me take care of myself...yep.. all in the NLP..

Of course I am. I think anyone who is aware of how they communicate with themselves and what it produces in their lives is. Anthony Robbins and my billionaire uncle are likely mostly to blame for that. It's not a bad thing to be kind to yourself and tell yourself positive things. Much better than beating yourself up anyway.

Nig,
When I was 17 I started with a 'fitness leaders' course and then picked up some basic nutrition and fitness courses and so on and went on from there.
Blooming tianshi Lotus.

So your qualifications in the field of diet, nutrition, fitness & lifestyle are....?

I only have a BSc(Hons)Eng at the moment, but I have signed-up for a course by Future Fit Training Ltd (accredited by the UK Nutrition Society) to study for a Nutrition Specialist Diploma. Cheers, Nige.

According to Future Fit:-

"As a Nutrition Specialist, you will be able to provide advice on Nutrition and Weight Management and Sports Nutrition. You could set up Nutrition and Weight Management Clinics on a group or one-to-one basis as well as providing advice to Sports Clubs and teams."

It's better than being a Nutritionist (which anyone in the UK can be without qualifications) but not as good as being a Registered Dietitian. I won't have any letters after my name, but I will get a framed diploma to hang on my wall.

As an ex-electronic engineer, I'm investigating building my own metabolic testing facility which will give me an advantage over other advisors as I will be able to measure kcals burned/min, fat grams burned/min & carb grams burned/min at different exercise intensities as well as the VOmax of my clients. It's a difficult project, though!

So your qualifications in the field of diet, nutrition, fitness & lifestyle are....?

I only have a BSc(Hons)Eng at the moment, but I have signed-up for a course by Future Fit Training Ltd (accredited by the UK Nutrition Society) to study for a Nutrition Specialist Diploma. Cheers, Nige.

Why not just do a degree program if you are going to invest all that time?

So, they have RD's across the pond?

Nigeepoo,
I found a link to what I was trying to describe. Firstly, let me say that I was wrong.. i meant hypertriglyceridemia and not what ever else I said. I guess I'll just have to blush and you"ll just have to sue me on it if it matters.
Blooming tianshi Lotus

It's not that much time. It's 3 modules consisting of a 3-day workshop + 12-week follow-up over the internet, 12 weeks correspondence course over the internet and a 16-20 hours correspondence course over the internet.RD is a title attained by degree and are the people that the NHS employ. I don't intend to go that far - I'm not looking for a proper job as I've retired and want to take things a bit easier for a while. I've only just recovered from a 6-year long deficiency in Vitamin D3 which rotted my brain-power something chronic.

Don't worry, I won't sue you. By an amazing co-incidence, I've had hypertriglyceridaemia, a.k.a. hypertriacylglycerolaemia.

When I was low-carbing, my serum TGs were 1.78mmol/L in Sept 2002. Someone on the BBC Health Boards convinced me that some carbs were "good" carbs e.g. oatmeal, rye breads etc so I introduced them into my diet as an experiment. This was in 2003. My weight went up by 2.5 stones (35lbs) and my TGs went up to 4.98mmol/L. As the upper RR limit is 1.8mmol/L, this was bad news.

267mg/day of micronised Fenofibrate lowered TGs a bit but they were still around 3mmol/L. Niaspan caused horrendous flushes so that was stopped. Eventually, I said that enough was enough and I went back to low-carbing. I lost 35lbs and at my last blood test in Dec 2006, my TGs were 1.62mmol/L on no medication.

Dietary fats cause transient hypertriglyceridaemia as they are absorbed into the lymphatic system and pumped around the body. Dietary carbs on the other hand cause chronic hypertriglyceridaemia as the liver converts excess glucose into TGs once liver glycogen stores are full, and muscle cells convert excess glucose into TGs once muscle glycogen stores are full. "Fat-burners" should not be on high-carb diets. I'm a fat-burner.

Hypertriglyceridaemia is bad news for your LDL cholesterol particles. See Everything You Wanted To Know About Cholesterol & Coronary Heart Disease Cheers, Nige.

...and I stiiil weigh 44-7 kgs and have ( except when I was pregnant) since I was finishing high school...
Blooming tianshi lotus.

I usually personally get my vit d mainly from my milk
Products and Recipes - PhysiCAL
.. and I dont buy other brands ..even iif they're no fat mainly for that reason ( shrug).
Having that type of material in our bodies not being able to be flushed or used is a pretty clear picture to me.

Apology for the long post anyway. hope it helps clarify .

Blooming tianshi Lotus

The penny finally drops. You're a girl!

Close enough. ..
Interesting article though. After I 'spoke with you' about this and thought about your comment on vit D deficiency and brain rot from too long without it, and your comment on how it caused you to put on weight, having half in interest in basic nuero science and chem ( as one might) and in how and why ppl put on and loose weight, It got me thinking and brought back to mind a series of research reports I came across regarding calcium and fat loss.

How could you miss that?

Unless Milk is fortified there is next to nothing in Vit D. Even then the product you listed per 100ml is 5% of the Recommended amount.

Fatty fishes seem to be an excellent source of Vit D, the reason why Cod Liver Oil is suggested as a supp for us nothern folks during the winter months, as sunlight is minimal.

Salmon, Sardines, Tuna, Makeral are also excellent sources of Vit D. That and Sunlight.

Any dairy products will need to be fortified.

The massive weight gain/loss was from eating/not eating carbs, not a lack/sufficiency of Vitamin D3. Taking 2,000iu/day of D3 has not affected my weight significantly.

Accumulation of calcium within the intima & adventitia of artery walls is aggravated by a lack of Vitamin K2. See Dietary Intake of Menaquinone Is Associated with a Reduced Risk of Coronary Heart Disease: The Rotterdam Study -- Geleijnse et al. 134 (11): 3100 -- Journal of Nutrition

Suffice it to say, I supplement with Vitamin K2 from VRP.

Unless you eat an Eskimo diet of whales, seals & oily fish all the time, you can't get enough D3 from the food you eat. See Hypovitaminosis D in British adults at age 45 y: nationwide cohort study of dietary and lifestyle predictors -- Hyppönen and Power 85 (3): 860 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition and The urgent need to recommend an intake of vitamin D that is effective -- Vieth et al. 85 (3): 649 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

A lack of D3 can impair glucose homeostasis, see Vitamin D Status and Glucose Homeostasis in the 1958 British Birth Cohort: The role of obesity -- Hyppönen and Power 29 (10): 2244 -- Diabetes Care

You only need ~20 minutes/day of full-body sun exposure at the right time of day (see VitD-ez Easy Duration of Vitamin D Synthesis in Human Skin for a calculator that shows from what start time to what stop time you should get your ~20 minutes of sun exposure to get D3 synthesis in your skin.) to get 10,000iu/day of D3.

Cheers, Nige.

Wow!!.. From the link in my post, the IOM ( institute of medicine ) says 2000iu is thee top end intake a person can max to before putting their health in very serious jeaopardy!.. One extreme to the other is quite radical of you.

On your weight fluctuations regarding your carb intake, and in saying so without knowing whaat exactly gm/bw wise you were considering a low carb intake at the time,.. to me the alternatives that that had to mean you were consuming, would have had to've meant, given the circumstances, that you weren't looking after your kidneys ( as is one of the top risks associated with low carb eating) and it was thaat that caused or grossly exaccebated your initial problem in reagrd to the effects of the vit d deficiency...and you took a dbl whammy on it.

It is also likely that because it is often so extremely hard to get adequately nourished as adult on a lowcarb plan, that you put your body into starvation during that period and when you hit it with "all those carbs" , the reaction was that your body still in shock of having been deprived, caused your metabolism to slow down and hold onto evvery extra ounce of whatever it could get.. causing your weight gain.

With sugar carb and fluid and bio-thremal regulation all over the place, it iis no wonder that your blood viscosity and clotting mechanisms also went out in sympathy... It's funny how that works.

Where is vitamin k found?
Leafy green vegetables, such as spinach, kale, collards, and broccoli, are the best sources of vitamin K. The greener the plant, the higher the vitamin K content.2 Other significant dietary sources of vitamin K include soybean oil, olive oil, cottonseed oil, and canola oil.3 AS you can see there are maany great dietary sources to provide adequate vitamin K, and probably even morre so if someone might be low - carbing properly where the particularly green produce intake makes up for the fall out of lowering grainage.

I think your diet was attrocious!

..although being you gott into that condition, it's likely half unneccessary to remind you of that. I'm sure you're likely well aware. I understand that retrospect is all too ironic, but as long as you're onto it now and recovering and back on track then all is well.
Better late than never though ....good on you for doing it. too too many ppl just let go from there and instead of correcting their health just wait for lack of it to consume them. Sincerely Good for you.
Blooming tianshi lotus.

so I ate too much. Simple as.


......Which one? The low-carb one or the high-carb one?

@).
Btw, if your body caan produce 10 000 iu /day .. it's a shame you couldn't get yours to.

Stuff your body makes is nOt the same as stuff you take to supplement

It is nOt the same and to be honest I think It's a reeally damaging thing to say to ppl

..especially when they might apply that to other stuff..

but you've never been an elite athlete or tried to be so no doubt you have no fucking idea whaat about it!.!!( )

I'm not going to argue with you about it though because I don't want to mostly..

I barely even know what we're talking about now. Who giives a toss who's right. You messed yourself up and now you say you're okay and thaat is bleeding wOnderful!. Happy for you.
Blooming tianshi lotus.

Protein catabolism is much different than catabolising intermuscluarly where your musculature is what's being degraded. By breaking down dietary proteins in stomach via use of a chemical .. such as polyphenol from a dry red wine, it expediates the elimination of waste and has the protein reduced into its amino form many times faster than if it were to digest naturally which can take anywhere up to 10 hrs.

It also unlocks the energy value much faster... which for myself in lieu of the complex carbs I can't eat so many of at a time without compromising my liver (through a ridiculous series of reactions thereafter), that I would otherwise get more of that longer energy from, together with good simple sourced sugars or even starches and smaller complex hits, helps me to have enough energy to work out with.

Because of the relationship between sugar and complex carbs in slowing down metabolism and digestion of those carbs through insulin interference though, for someone on a high carb intake, which also btw just quietly loads all types of bacteria precursors and toxic garbage or their own if not used and as they're being digested in by-products of that process, to have that work for them effectively, a polyphenol supplement would be much more ideal. There are studies that have been done around the world I think most recently that I've read coming out of Montreal University that all support the same truth about it.

Thank you for conceding that 10 000 iu of vit D is not an optimum dose for most ppl most of the time...or at least that it has potentially dangerous ramifications. Anyway, thank God for sports scientists and bio-med students developing our supplements and researching for us, I know that having them has changed my entire life and has imo an extremely respect-worthy place in the world and is a really good thing for our society... good health is horrible to not have .
Cheers right back atchya.
Blooming tianshi Lotus.

I don't have a fatty liver. I have thee single worst strain of hep c and I have had since I was about 17 and caught it from some hot lesbian I was.. doesn't matter @)....

Anyway so when I load grains or do too much sugar, and because fat also slows down complex carb digestion- high fat intake as well when more than a small amount of complex carb present in my gut, it can't break down and just sits there festering into a high triglyceride overload and that's how my liver goes mental trying to make stuff to break it down

I can do small amounts per serve though and I can do unlimited fruit and veg and starches and more grains if it's wholemeal or pre-processed white rice .. or sushi sometimes if I've been really good for a while beforehand.. It's no drama though , it just means I need more big simple carb hits and have to eat more often..

this putting on weight thing is kinda new for me I guess.... 52 kgs for a lightweight doesn't sound to far fetched to start off in light weight division ( if I don't get on roll pretty quickly and go up another one.. as I imagine i might if I really looked at it and wanted it )though so see I'll see what I can come up with.

Anyway, enough rant. Thanks for your links.. it's been fun..
Blooming tianshi lotus.
p.s. with your low -carb eating are you sure you get enough protein and other nutrients and calories???.. Do you have a particular calorie intake range you aim for each day ?? Just curious how you cover it is all.