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Tough Decision...make more money vs more time to workout out

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Posted by: KelJu

At my job working for an antique dealer, I came in contact with a very very rich client who just moved to Daphne Alabama which is where many of these rich people from all across the country are coming to retire. The guy is worth 20 million. He bought about $400,000 worth of antique furniture and rugs from us...or well actually his wife is the one buying everything, but he just pays for it all. I am a woodworker, I have been restoring antiques for the last 2 years, I am also the computer guy at the shop, and I delivery furniture. So the rich dude was talking to the owner of our shop and said he needs a computer guy to get his computers and network up and running. The owner suggested me, so I have been doing computer work for this dude for the past month. The guy is paying me a $100.00 and hour and he has been thrilled with my work so far.

Today while I was over at his house installing some chandeliers, he asked me if I knew much about websites. I told him that I have built websites and web servers. He lets me in on a business venture he and a different guy are doing buying up all of a product that know one knows is going to be extremely valuable soon. They currently have a shitty web page inventory system all designed in html with dreamweever. I know how to build pretty good ASP.net web based database frontends. I just did it 2 semesters ago. The rich dude wants to contract me to do it build it, and maintain the inventory by coming to his house on the weekends when I'm not working at the shop and take pictures of the product, inventory them, then the item will be carried to the bank and locked in bank deposit boxes. So I could make an assload of money, and make connections to a very rich and successful person. Conections are worth a lot.


But, here is the thing. I am burnt the fuck out. I just went through two ball buster semesters working at the same time, trying to make time to get to the gym. I feel like I am going to go crazy if I don't take a few months to do what I want to do and just train, work, and smoke pot. My fantasy is to just work a 40 to 50 hour a week job and workout after work, go to sleep, then go to the beach on Sundays. Thats all I want to do. If I take the job offer, I am going to by balls to the wall working two jobs again. I would never have the time or energy to train. I can't make up my mind.

In one hand, is tons of money and a jumpstart into my career. In the other hand is my fucking sanity. I am leaning towards keeping my sanity, but I am being pulled towards make a lot of money and make connections. I don't know what to do.



Posted by: Fetusaurus Rex

hell Id do it...is it only a temp job?



Posted by: Double D

Money is great, but money wont buy you a life. Be happy first and foremost!



Posted by: KelJu

Quote Originally Posted by Fetusaurus Rex View Post
hell Id do it...is it only a temp job?

The guy showed me the inventory they have collected, and at their current pace, they will have bought up most of the product in about 4 to 6 months.
I would be making around $2,000 a month for basically working 20 hours a week.
Now, I currently make close to that working at my current job working 40 hours a week. Most people are probably say that I should quit my current job and go for the job paying the same amount of money for half the amount of hours, but I can't do that. I have been treated really good for the last 3 years by my current employers, so I am staying loyal to them and sticking with them.



Posted by: NordicNacho

sounds like you need to start growing



Posted by: Fetusaurus Rex

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
The guy showed me the inventory they have collected, and at their current pace, they will have bought up most of the product in about 4 to 6 months.
I would be making around $2,000 a month for basically working 20 hours a week.
Now, I currently make close to that working at my current job working 40 hours a week. Most people are probably say that I should quit my current job and go for the job paying the same amount of money for half the amount of hours, but I can't do that. I have been treated really good for the last 3 years by my current employers, so I am staying loyal to them and sticking with them.

I dunno, that is a tough call...

This could always lead to something better too, rich guy with rich friends who also have some similar work to be done...?

I suppose it depends how much control you have, if you have a day that you dont feel like going in, take the day off....ect?



Posted by: MCx2

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
Most people are probably say that I should quit my current job and go for the job paying the same amount of money for half the amount of hours, but I can't do that. I have been treated really good for the last 3 years by my current employers, so I am staying loyal to them and sticking with them.
Is your current job something you plan on doing for the rest of your life, or is the other job closer to what you had in mind for a career?

Yes, I'd say quit your current job, but not because of the hours. I'd quit because of the potential of the other job. The "rich guy" sounds like a great person to know.

You get set up with someone like him that isn't afraid to pay someone good money for a job well done, play your cards right and you may never have to work in the corporate world.

The loyalty is great and I respect it, but you may be kicking yourself in the ass a few years down the road because of it. It's not every day you meet someone like him, and fall on opportunity like that.

Just food for thought.



Posted by: KelJu

Quote Originally Posted by Fetusaurus Rex View Post
I dunno, that is a tough call...

This could always lead to something better too, rich guy with rich friends who also have some similar work to be done...?

I suppose it depends how much control you have, if you have a day that you dont feel like going in, take the day off....ect?
That isn't how I operate. I have two speeds: off, and full throttle. If I choose to do it, I will be professional about it. For me, being professional is the easiest thing in the world to be. I like responsibility, as long as I have enough me time in the day for me to do what I want to do. I have held it together for a while now, but last summer was when I lost by mind and didn't get it back until August. I still have flashbacks from that shit...What the fuck was I talking about before?



Posted by: KelJu

Quote Originally Posted by ReproMan View Post
Is your current job something you plan on doing for the rest of your life, or is the other job closer to what you had in mind for a career?

Yes, I'd say quit your current job, but not because of the hours. I'd quit because of the potential of the other job. The "rich guy" sounds like a great person to know.

You get set up with someone like him that isn't afraid to pay someone good money for a job well done, play your cards right and you may never have to work in the corporate world.

The loyalty is great and I respect it, but you may be kicking yourself in the ass a few years down the road because of it. It's not every day you meet someone like him, and fall on opportunity like that.

Just food for thought.

Damnit, that shit made way too much sense.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
Damnit, that shit made way too much sense.
Yea it's good advice.

I think the key here is to communicate with this guy.

People never seem to realize communication is so damned important.

Please, just tell him your situation. Tell him what you have told us.
See how he responds.

I would say the best thing to do is start working only Part-time at the antique shop, instead of fulltime. That way, you are not walking out on these people that you obviously care for and respect.

yet it will give you plenty of breathing room to work with this guy.
Make money, smoke pot, and still have time to train.

In fact, communicate to both your current employer and this guy on your thoughts and inhibitions.



Posted by: Jodi

I'd try and do it all but that's just me and of course that's probably how I burnt out my adrenal glands in the first place HAHA.

I say go for the opportunity. As my Grampa says, go where the money is. If you really can't find time to train, then remember you can always pick it back up again. You are young......now is the time to increase your network for future opportunities. Decide what is your passion and follow that passion. For me it's work and if I had to choose, I'd choose work. Thankfully I've never had to choose.



Posted by: P-funk

if you don't have your health, no money in the world can make you happy....that is my philosophy.

While money is tempting, I would never compromise being able to exercise and be healthy. it is not an equal trade IMO.



Posted by: Jodi

Quote Originally Posted by P-funk View Post
if you don't have your health, no money in the world can make you happy....that is my philosophy.

While money is tempting, I would never compromise being able to exercise and be healthy. it is not an equal trade IMO.
I could be wrong but I don't think it's so much about the money as it is the future opportunities and doors this could open for him.

I do agree that health comes first but........ maybe I'm just so career oriented that if I don't have my career it won't matter what kind of health I'm in, I won't be happy. Probably just me that feels that way lol.



Posted by: P-funk

I know what you mean. I also think that one of the reasons we have so many overweight people in this country is because they are focused on their career, that they forget about their health. I can't tell you how many people we have come into the clinic (and you can imagine how much money they have since we are right up in N. Scottsdale, right below cave creek and care free) and say things like "I don't care what it costs....just make the pain go away!!" These people are super wealthy, but they have also forgotten how to take care of themselves and it is pretty sad.

Ideally, something where you can get the best of both worlds would be great.



Posted by: Pylon

It's sounds like a great opportunity. If you pass it up, you may regret it for a long time.

I'm with Brach. Talk to the involved parties, see what you can work out and keep yourself sane. If your relationship with your current boss is good, they will want you to be successful.



Posted by: largepkg

I certainly don't think health at your age is a consideration. You need to look at the future. I can only speak from experience on this but once I did this I started becoming a much more independent and comfortable person.

It's sad to say money does make one happy but that's the truth. Money allows one to make their own decisions and not rely on others. Please don't ignore this.



Posted by: Double D

Quote Originally Posted by largepkg View Post
I certainly don't think health at your age is a consideration. You need to look at the future. I can only speak from experience on this but once I did this I started becoming a much more independent and comfortable person.

It's sad to say money does make one happy but that's the truth. Money allows one to make their own decisions and not rely on others. Please don't ignore this.
Health is always an issue, it doesnt take any time to let yourself go to shit, by working a shit ton of hours.

Take someone like Jodi she completly burnt herself out.



Posted by: Jodi

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
Health is always an issue, it doesnt take any time to let yourself go to shit, by working a shit ton of hours.

Take someone like Jodi she completly burnt herself out.
I'm 10 years older than Kelju though I spent 5 years burning the candle at both ends. That's a bit excessive and I don't think the 6 months of dedication to this opportunity would really effect his health either.



Posted by: Double D

I didnt realize it was 6 months either, I shouldve read a bit more into it. For me I cant see being unhappy for 6 months. You only live once and I dont see a point in being unhappy for a whole 1/2 a year.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
I didnt realize it was 6 months either, I shouldve read a bit more into it. For me I cant see being unhappy for 6 months. You only live once and I dont see a point in being unhappy for a whole 1/2 a year.
He never said he'd necessarily be unhappy.

He just said it would PROBABLY give him less time to workout.

I went the last year without working out for the most part
because I moved for college, got a new job, had to buy a new car, met new friends etc etc.

Yea, I got fatter, but now I'm even more driven to get back to and go beyond where I was.

I think he should def. take the next 6 months to do this thing.

Nothing is more important than opportunity.



Posted by: kinkery

shit, take the new job and save the money, then open your own gym .

btw, i thought the first sentance of the 2nd paragraph "Today while I was over at his house installing some chandeliers, he asked me if I knew much about websites." i thought you were going to say his wife was starting to seduce you



Posted by: squanto

I'm with Brach on this one. If I were you I'd try to work less hours at the antique shop and give this project a try, if you are that loyal to the shop. Sounds like a good opportunity, not only now, but down the road.

I definitely see the smoking pot/chill factor involved with staying at the antique shop. But I'd rather make the same amount of money in half the time and spend twice as long at the beach.



Posted by: maniclion

Make the connections, then one day they will clue you in on something that may make it possible for you to lay on your ass all day and then train twice a day in your own full sized gym...If someone gave me that oppurtunity I would jump on it....hell snapping a few pictures and posting them to a website isn't even work, sure you'll burn some midnight oil in the beginning but once it's going it's smooth sailing, hell evry few month one of my clients for my side computer jobs calls and drops 200-500 on me to do what comes as common sense to me. Be glad you have the Tech knowledge 85% of the people don't...I'm always happy when I get caled upon for my magical computer skills, proud to be the Guru these folks climb the mountain to ask the questions and happy when they dump wads of cash into my pocket....in fact I think I may start to double up on my side computer jobs. I could use some spare cash...



Posted by: maniclion

Or just think he tells his other rich pals how good you are with computers and next thing you know you have a client base with deep pockets.....I think these days people are looking to computer guys like they do car mechanics, once you find a good one you can trust you stick with them....thats how my clients have been, even ones who just bought new ones they could have free service on, they'd rather I come over and tell them what is really wrong with the thing instead of some corporate shill ripping them off by telling them they need to replace the hard drive when all they had was a virus that took me 15 minutes to get rid of...



Posted by: KentDog

Quote Originally Posted by largepkg View Post
I certainly don't think health at your age is a consideration. You need to look at the future. I can only speak from experience on this but once I did this I started becoming a much more independent and comfortable person.

It's sad to say money does make one happy but that's the truth. Money allows one to make their own decisions and not rely on others. Please don't ignore this.
This is the way I see it. For these reasons, I am willing to get off track with my diet and workout reg when it comes to something related to my career.

Is there any way you could cut back on hours at the antique shop? For example, maybe switch your availability so that you are no longer available to work on one day?

Either way, it seems this computer gig is too good to pass up. Just having the potential to build relationships with important/rich people makes it worth it.



Posted by: Double D

Quote Originally Posted by Brachiisaurus View Post
He never said he'd necessarily be unhappy.

He just said it would PROBABLY give him less time to workout.

I went the last year without working out for the most part
because I moved for college, got a new job, had to buy a new car, met new friends etc etc.

Yea, I got fatter, but now I'm even more driven to get back to and go beyond where I was.

I think he should def. take the next 6 months to do this thing.

Nothing is more important than opportunity.

Living 6 months without working out and getting fat would make me unhappy, I dont know about you?



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
Living 6 months without working out and getting fat would make me unhappy, I dont know about you?


Right, in 6 months he will lose all his hard earned muscle and gain 100 lbs of fat.

I guess you are right.



Posted by: largepkg

Quote Originally Posted by Brachiisaurus View Post


Right, in 6 months he will lose all his hard earned muscle and gain 100 lbs of fat.

I guess you are right.
This is what I was thinking when I said health wasn't a concern at his age. Just because he cuts back at the gym doesn't mean he needs to sit and pop bon bons all day.



Posted by: Double D

It is easy to completly forget about your health if your not in the gym. Its a common occurance. Will he lose all his hard earned muscle in 6 months? Probably not, but if theres no time to workout a very very good percentage would be gone. I just dont see giving up what is enjoyable to him for fuckin money.

Health is always an issue at any age. My cousin was 24 and had his first heart attack. He smoked pot constantly since he was 14. He ate like crap, but yet he was a big weight lifter. So there is no time frame to debate on when health is an issue or not.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
It is easy to completly forget about your health if your not in the gym. Its a common occurance. Will he lose all his hard earned muscle in 6 months? Probably not, but if theres no time to workout a very very good percentage would be gone. I just dont see giving up what is enjoyable to him for fuckin money.

Health is always an issue at any age. My cousin was 24 and had his first heart attack. He smoked pot constantly since he was 14. He ate like crap, but yet he was a big weight lifter. So there is no time frame to debate on when health is an issue or not.

No offense, but you are a fucking moron.

In 6 months, the most he's gonna lose is 3-6 lbs. tops.
If he continues to eat right, he shouldn't gain any fat weight at all.

And because of muscle memory, he'll be able to gain back what he lost within 6-8 weeks easy.


I don't know about you, maybe you have a lot of money who knows.

But if I had the choice, in 6 months would i rather have:

A) 5 lbs more muscle

or

B) $20,000...contacts with potentially several rich and powerful people...and possibly much much more.

There's no debate.



Posted by: largepkg

Quote Originally Posted by Brachiisaurus View Post
No offense, but you are a fucking moron.

In 6 months, the most he's gonna lose is 3-6 lbs. tops.
If he continues to eat right, he shouldn't gain any fat weight at all.

And because of muscle memory, he'll be able to gain back what he lost within 6-8 weeks easy.


I don't know about you, maybe you have a lot of money who knows.

But if I had the choice, in 6 months would i rather have:

A) 5 lbs more muscle

or

B) $20,000...contacts with potentially several rich and powerful people...and possibly much much more.

There's no debate.
I guess he just doesn't like money.



Posted by: goob

Take the money and do the job. That's an opportunity not to be missed.
If nothing else, it's shit hot for the resume.

You'll kick yourself later if you don't do this. Hindsight's a bitch.

Good luck, whatever happens



Posted by: min0 lee

I think the guy just wants him for his body.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

6 months, wtf? Do you know how much pot you can get for $12000? I would say do it if it is only 6 months for that much money and little time. Then, when dude hits it rich, he remembers you. If there is one thing you miss once you become a "Grown-up, it's the summers, give it up now while you are still willing.



Posted by: fufu

Quote Originally Posted by Brachiisaurus View Post
No offense, but you are a fucking moron.

In 6 months, the most he's gonna lose is 3-6 lbs. tops.
If he continues to eat right, he shouldn't gain any fat weight at all.

If you aren't training the muscles, they don't just stick around, even if you eat enough. Sure, he could maintain his weight but if he isnt training those nutrients won't go to build and maintain muscle mass and will be stored as fat.

btw, calling DD a fucking moron is quite rude, wtf.

All this aside. I'd probably go with the oppurtunity and find out some way to train. It would be rough though.



Posted by: maniclion

I think KelJ is just worried about the lascivious looks he'll miss from his boss at the antique shop....



Posted by: fUnc17

I would take the job in a heartbeat. Think about it, you've been working at your current job busting ass and an opportunity like this falls into your lap. Doesn't happen to many people, and when it does... you bet for damn sure they jump on it.

If you don't take it, your going to be kicking yourself for not taking such an easy $2000 a month. And you get to tell all your friends how you ALMOST doubled your income but because you want to smoke pot you chose not to. Its a no-contest, take the job and continue working out. Don't psyche yourself out by thinking your too burnt out because chances are its 99% mental anyway.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by fufu View Post
If you aren't training the muscles, they don't just stick around, even if you eat enough. Sure, he could maintain his weight but if he isnt training those nutrients won't go to build and maintain muscle mass and will be stored as fat.
I understand that. But a guy in his 20's will lose very little muscle mass.
I mean it's not like he's going to lye in bed for the next 6 months.

Christ people stop over-exaggerating.



Posted by: maniclion

Hell just fit in little workouts here and there even if it's just elevated pushup's or squatting with no weights slowly or the end of your bed legpress, where you stack some shit on your bed and then lay at the foot of your bed and do presses, sit-ups, door frame chins, etc........



Posted by: danzik17

Go with the job. 6 months and you might possibly be set for life if it takes off.



Posted by: danny81

quit your job bro. and only 4000 a month? i would be pissed. thats like 50thousand a year.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by danny81 View Post
quit your job bro. and only 4000 a month? i would be pissed. thats like 50thousand a year.
Yea no shit, I mean hell, you 15 yr olds are making what?
200k? 400k?

Dayum boi no doubt. Get jiggy wid it.



Posted by: fufu

Quote Originally Posted by Brachiisaurus View Post
I understand that. But a guy in his 20's will lose very little muscle mass.
I mean it's not like he's going to lye in bed for the next 6 months.

Christ people stop over-exaggerating.
I'm not exaggerating. If you don't train the muscles with moderate intensity resistance they will fade, I'm not gonna lie. The rate at which they will can't really be defined, sure he has his natural T levels, but like I said.

He can get it back anyways, like you said earlier.

Anyways, Kelju, hope you can clearly think this out. Maybe since this is all coming so fast it is sort of shocking. Just rationalize it out and find balance, I think you can do it. It may take a really strict lifestlye, of course a part of that strict regimine is too relax and be about to see what is going on around you. Maybe it could be a great experience.



Posted by: MCx2

I work 60 hours a week every week all year and I still find time to train.

If you want it all enough, it will fall into place.

Good luck.



Posted by: maniclion

I used to work 5 days a week from 8-4:30, then night school from 5:20-9:00 and still worked out three times a week for 2 years, even graduated top of my class with honors.....



Posted by: Blooming Lotus

Quote Originally Posted by ReproMan View Post
I work 60 hours a week every week all year and I still find time to train.

If you want it all enough, it will fall into place.

Good luck.
I'm pretty sure alot of us have. The thing with thaat is though,. once you get it your head to start exapanding professionally or financially, with the view of settling it back down to better long term daily life, besiides the extra money, including or even revolving around equal or better health and fitness, sometimes there need to be interim sacrifices to allow that to happen.
For my 2cents worth, I say do both jobs, don't work out if it's going to burn you out in aany way, get established, eat well in the meantime thenn come and kick ass in your work outs from a better position.
That's what ii'm doing atm anyway. You only have doo those extra professional yards once in a while while transitioning into a better long term position if you do it right anyway before it all settles back down and sees your entire life quality better for having done it .
..eat it up .

Blooming tianshi Lotus.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by fufu View Post
I'm not exaggerating. If you don't train the muscles with moderate intensity resistance they will fade, I'm not gonna lie. The rate at which they will can't really be defined, sure he has his natural T levels, but like I said.

He can get it back anyways, like you said earlier.

Anyways, Kelju, hope you can clearly think this out. Maybe since this is all coming so fast it is sort of shocking. Just rationalize it out and find balance, I think you can do it. It may take a really strict lifestlye, of course a part of that strict regimine is too relax and be about to see what is going on around you. Maybe it could be a great experience.
I know...Didn't mean to sound like an ass or anything. Sorry...
I've just been really stressed/frustrated the past few days...

And Kelju...Get on here and reply already.
We need updates.



Posted by: AKIRA

Quote Originally Posted by ReproMan View Post
I work 60 hours a week every week all year and I still find time to train.

If you want it all enough, it will fall into place.

Good luck.
BIG FUCKING BINGO.

Agree 100%.

I worked 2 jobs, went to school full time, had a girlfriend, had a social life, had time to cheat on my girlfriend, and guess what? I added the gym life in the early morning. I showered and dressed at the gym, plus brought protein shakes with me.

Its not hard.



Posted by: AKIRA

Quote Originally Posted by Brachiisaurus View Post
No offense, but you are a fucking moron.

Wow, how insultingly non-offensive.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA View Post
Wow, how insultingly non-offensive.




Posted by: fufu

Quote Originally Posted by Brachiisaurus View Post
I know...Didn't mean to sound like an ass or anything. Sorry...
I've just been really stressed/frustrated the past few days...

And Kelju...Get on here and reply already.
We need updates.
tell me about it, I am in the midst of finals week. I'm trying my hardest not to bleed out my ears.

It'll all be over tommarow though.





Posted by: fufu

btw Kelju -

keep this in mind, change it great.



Posted by: KelJu

I am leaning towards doing everything the best I can. I plan to take the job, keep full-time hours at the shop, and try to make time for the gym. All I can say is that I jew can not possibly turn down the proposition to make more money. I guess I will tell the guy tomorrow that I am on board with the project.



Posted by: AKIRA

If you put it altogether, theres little chance youd have regret in your life from working + working out. Sorry, I just couldnt buy it.



Posted by: KelJu

Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA View Post
If you put it altogether, theres little chance youd have regret in your life from working + working out. Sorry, I just couldnt buy it.
I don't follow what you are saying.



Posted by: AKIRA

Sometimes when I have a hard time making a decision, I think of it as which side has a bigger chance of regret. If you choose the $ and get some working out in (even if its not as much), then you have eliminated most if not, all of your potential regret. Hindsight then becomes your friend.



Posted by: Pylon

Hey, maybe in the end the workouts will be what keep you sane.

Sounds like you made a good choice, and did it the right way. I hope there are more of you young'ins out there who are this mature about work/life issues. Gives me hope for the future.



Posted by: Double D

I got to many friends around here thats got my back....

I am a moron, I highly doubt it. You wouldnt believe how shitty I got in 6 months one time. Oh it is very possible. My cholesterol went to shit, bad blood blood pressure. To be frank I went to shit.

Me and KelJu have a simliar body type where I know how easy we both can put on fat. Brother this from me, just be careful. Its easy to let your health go to shit working tons of hours a week. I do work over 60 now and still make training. But at the beginning I didnt know how to swing it and I got really bad.

Best of luck Kel Ju

Btw-Dont call people morons unless the title fits, and you no nothing about me, so until you have been around enough mine as well keep it shut.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
I got to many friends around here thats got my back....

I am a moron, I highly doubt it. You wouldnt believe how shitty I got in 6 months one time. Oh it is very possible. My cholesterol went to shit, bad blood blood pressure. To be frank I went to shit.

Me and KelJu have a simliar body type where I know how easy we both can put on fat. Brother this from me, just be careful. Its easy to let your health go to shit working tons of hours a week. I do work over 60 now and still make training. But at the beginning I didnt know how to swing it and I got really bad.

Best of luck Kel Ju

Btw-Dont call people morons unless the title fits, and you no nothing about me, so until you have been around enough mine as well keep it shut.
Are you referring to me??

If so, then don't get your panties in a bunch. We already have agreed that 6 months isn't enough time to lose very much. So you are in the minority here.

I'm sorry you don't know how to take care of your body, maybe you should go read the diet and training stickies.



Posted by: Double D

Been here longer than you am here more than you and have read everything there is in the stickies. Trained for the past 12 years took around half a year off and my body went to complete shit.

Referring to you, ya. You want to be a bitch and call little names well its as easy for me to do as well. I simply want the best for KJ. Hes a good guy and I am just making him aware of what happened to me. I was passin a worse case scenario. Simple as that. Take care of myself? Yeah I do very well for myself. But whenever someone gets complacent with themselves and everyday life things like what I went through CAN happen. And until you experience it you cant talk about it. Worked 60-75 hours a week and ate whatever I could to get by. Was swamped with work, 2 kids, wife, and trying to keep up with family things that were happening at that point, shit was tough. The stress at work is always tough so I was making him aware.

Do I care if I am ever in the minority? Not at all. Many of the people who have commented have done so with no experience of going through something like this. I know because it happened to me.

I once was a competing bodybuilder. Took steroids (which I regret), competed on stage, had better eating habits than probably 98% of IM. While my eating habits are still good now, during that 6 month stretch they were crap. Not crap to the point that I shouldve gained that much weight, but my lifestyle was so non-active!

And like its been said here and in KJ's journal we both are simliar in many ways!



Posted by: DOMS

Quote Originally Posted by Brachiisaurus View Post
No offense, but you are a fucking moron.

In 6 months, the most he's gonna lose is 3-6 lbs. tops.
If he continues to eat right, he shouldn't gain any fat weight at all.

And because of muscle memory, he'll be able to gain back what he lost within 6-8 weeks easy.
Angst much? That was uncalled for. What's more, it's me that's saying it!

You're making an assumption. Do you know what KelJu's genetics are? Maybe he's an extreme ectomorph thats fought for every pound of muscle that he has. The same goes with your assumption about regaining any lost muscle.

Even if he isn't a hard gainer, he'll lose a lot more than three to six pounds. KelJu is a big boy. He's likely to lose a lot more than that. The muscle you have is strictly a function of how much your body needs it. You stop pushing it, the body will give it up. It's a combination of homeostasis and energy efficiency.

The real danger here is breaking a good habit. Making a good habit is hard, losing it is easy. What if his 6 months off turns into 6 years off? Again, you don't know what his personality is like in regards to his personal life and motivation. I'm with Double D on this one. There's a lot more at stake here that you're thinking of.

For some people, working out is the lynch-pin of a healthy life-style. Once that goes, so too may the diet and active life-style.

I'm betting your in your early 20s, right? You've probably yet to learn that, sometimes, the money just isn't worth it.

Ultimately though, like others have said, you can always find time to workout, or do anything of true value.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
Been here longer than you am here more than you and have read everything there is in the stickies. Trained for the past 12 years took around half a year off and my body went to complete shit.

Referring to you, ya. You want to be a bitch and call little names well its as easy for me to do as well. I simply want the best for KJ. Hes a good guy and I am just making him aware of what happened to me. I was passin a worse case scenario. Simple as that. Take care of myself? Yeah I do very well for myself. But whenever someone gets complacent with themselves and everyday life things like what I went through CAN happen. And until you experience it you cant talk about it. Worked 60-75 hours a week and ate whatever I could to get by. Was swamped with work, 2 kids, wife, and trying to keep up with family things that were happening at that point, shit was tough. The stress at work is always tough so I was making him aware.

Do I care if I am ever in the minority? Not at all. Many of the people who have commented have done so with no experience of going through something like this. I know because it happened to me.

I once was a competing bodybuilder. Took steroids (which I regret), competed on stage, had better eating habits than probably 98% of IM. While my eating habits are still good now, during that 6 month stretch they were crap. Not crap to the point that I shouldve gained that much weight, but my lifestyle was so non-active!

And like its been said here and in KJ's journal we both are simliar in many ways!
Then you should have stated that was a worst case scenario.

Were you on steroids right before you had to take the break? If so, then the whole argument, you can just throw it out.

But even if you weren't, you'd have to do some major shit work to get "horribly" worse.

Since, like I have mentioned, I moved out so I could go to college.
Before, I ate very well. Trained 4-5 days a week. Including excessive cardio and weightlifting. I had trained this way for 2 years, and before that 3 years of doing it the wrong way, but I was still lifting weights.

Now, because of all the big changes, college, new job, new friends, etc.
Along with not being able to afford a gym membership, I worked out over the last year maybe 6-8 times and I ate whatever I wanted whenever I wanted.

So what happened?
I got weaker. I gained about 15 pounds. And I probably lost some muscle. If I had to guess I would say 3-5 pounds tops.

That is in one year. And yes I am a hardgainer.

I drank a lot and smoked (pot) a lot.

But yet, I still didn't get that bad.

So If it only affected me that much after a year, then i doubt 6 months for KJ would be that bad. If he keeps his diet in check, he shouldn't gain much if any fat...and keep his muscle loss to a minimum.
And like I said muscle memory will help with that.


And speaking strictly about health. That comes from 80% diet anyway.


All this being said, I apologize for the name calling. It was out of line and maybe if I had, had a better day, I wouldn't have resorted to immature behavior.

Hopefully we can just agree to disagree.



Posted by: Double D

You said the most whenever you said you are a hardgainer. Me and KJ are far from that. We are both endomorphs. We can put on fat with the best of them. And with a sedentary job like he will have it is going to be tough. Yes his diet is going to have to be good, but its so damn hard to maintain a good diet while not busting your ass in the gym.

I didnt just get done doing steroids either. I done them about 2-3 years before that or so. KJ has also done them recently as well. I dont know what you know about him, but I follow what he does fairly closely. The guy is damn near a mirror image of me, he will admit to that.

Well other than him looking like Paul Bunyan and all. Just kiddin KJ!



Posted by: Double D

Also I am not sure that is the worst case scienario, but more like my scenario.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
You said the most whenever you said you are a hardgainer. Me and KJ are far from that. We are both endomorphs. We can put on fat with the best of them. And with a sedentary job like he will have it is going to be tough. Yes his diet is going to have to be good, but its so damn hard to maintain a good diet while not busting your ass in the gym.

I didnt just get done doing steroids either. I done them about 2-3 years before that or so. KJ has also done them recently as well. I dont know what you know about him, but I follow what he does fairly closely. The guy is damn near a mirror image of me, he will admit to that.

Well other than him looking like Paul Bunyan and all. Just kiddin KJ!
The endomorph in him will help him maintain his muscle, but yes, you are right it will be hard for him to keep the weight off.

It just depends on your mindset.

I started my diet 3-4 weeks ago. And didn't (finally) get a membership until yesterday.
I was able to lose 8 lbs in those 3-4 weeks even without lifting weights, and very minimal cardio (pronounced lawn work).
So it's just how up to the challenge you are at any given time.



Posted by: largepkg

Good grief, this thread is out of control with you two going back and forth.

KJ, this is simple. Go for the money and potential security and train when you can. In 6 months hit the gym and return to your normal routine.

I WIN!



Posted by: Double D

Quote Originally Posted by largepkg View Post
Good grief, this thread is out of control with you two going back and forth.

KJ, this is simple. Go for the money and potential security and train when you can. In 6 months hit the gym and return to your normal routine.

I WIN!
You never win your a box.



Posted by: tucker01

Waaaaaaah I know more about his Genetics then you do. Waaaaaaah!

Waaaaaaah I know he will lose 3-6 lbs of muscle . Waaaaaaaaah!


Waaaaaaah What a fucking rediculous argument. Waaaaaaaaaah!



Posted by: fufu

Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
Waaaaaaah I know more about his Genetics then you do. Waaaaaaah!

Waaaaaaah I know he will lose 3-6 lbs of muscle . Waaaaaaaaah!


Waaaaaaah What a fucking rediculous argument. Waaaaaaaaaah!
I know more about genetics than you!

oooooooo!



Posted by: DOMS

Quote Originally Posted by fufu View Post
I know more about genetics than you!

oooooooo!
No, you know more about taking people's DNA.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
Waaaaaaah I know more about his Genetics then you do. Waaaaaaah!

Waaaaaaah I know he will lose 3-6 lbs of muscle . Waaaaaaaaah!


Waaaaaaah What a fucking rediculous argument. Waaaaaaaaaah!




Posted by: Double D

Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
Waaaaaaah I know more about his Genetics then you do. Waaaaaaah!

Waaaaaaah I know he will lose 3-6 lbs of muscle . Waaaaaaaaah!


Waaaaaaah What a fucking rediculous argument. Waaaaaaaaaah!
Suck it canadian.



Posted by: fufu

Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
No, you know more about taking people's DNA.




Posted by: Double D

Quote Originally Posted by Brachiisaurus View Post
Those forearms look like they belong to a caveman!



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
Those forearms look like they belong to a caveman!
Oh, I bet you say that to all the girls



Posted by: fufu

Quote Originally Posted by Brachiisaurus View Post
Oh, I bet you say that to all the girls




Posted by: largepkg

Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
Waaaaaaah I know more about his Genetics then you do. Waaaaaaah!

Waaaaaaah I know he will lose 3-6 lbs of muscle . Waaaaaaaaah!


Waaaaaaah What a fucking rediculous argument. Waaaaaaaaaah!

So, how much do you think he'll lose in 6 months?



Posted by: tucker01

Quote Originally Posted by largepkg View Post
So, how much do you think he'll lose in 6 months?
Dunno, it will relate to how many chicks he bangs.

1-2 chicks = 50 lb loss
3-5 = 15 lb loss
6-10 = 10 lb loss

10+= who gives a shit. You are tagging a shit load of chicks.



Posted by: largepkg

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
You never win your a box.
I'm a fucking package! A large package.



Posted by: Double D

Same thing. I will forgive you since you are probably a gators fan!



Posted by: AKIRA

Quote Originally Posted by Brachiisaurus View Post


Holy jesus, what a random pic! Did you save this shit?

Oh and double...I thought it went ectomorph, endomorph, mesomoprh..?



Posted by: Double D

Meso is the guy who gains muscle easily and stays lean.....or atleast I though?!............For fuck sakes info in and then info out?

Someone clear this up.



Posted by: largepkg

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
Same thing. I will forgive you since you are probably a gators fan!
Blasphemer, I'm a noles fan mofo.



Posted by: Double D

Quote Originally Posted by largepkg View Post
Blasphemer, I'm a noles fan mofo.
As am I! Maybe you arent so bad.



Posted by: largepkg

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
As am I! Maybe you arent so bad.




Posted by: AKIRA

Oh... :o

mes·o·morph (měz'ə-môrf', měs'-) Pronunciation Key
n. An individual with a robust, muscular body build caused by the predominance of structures developed from the embryonic mesodermal layer.

en·do·morph (nd-môrf)
n.

An individual having a body build characterized by relative prominence of the abdomen and other soft body parts developed from the embryonic endodermal layer.



Posted by: Double D

So I am right?



Posted by: KelJu

DOMS and DoubleD are correct for my situation. As long as I lift, I eat right. When I stop lifting, I stop eating right. It is a direct psychological relationship. If I manage my stress well, I lift well, and diet well. Everything feds off of other things.

The money will probably keep me happy, and will keep me motivated in the gym, which should help me keep my diet in check which should lead to overall satisfaction. I think I can manage all 3 things.

You guys are right though, this offer is too good to pass up.



Posted by: danzik17

Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
Dunno, it will relate to how many chicks he bangs.

1-2 chicks = 50 lb loss
3-5 = 15 lb loss
6-10 = 10 lb loss

10+= who gives a shit. You are tagging a shit load of chicks.
What's with the 35lb difference between 2 and 3 chicks? Does the hotness (1-10) of the chick affect the outcome? Your training regime intrigues me!



Posted by: BoneCrusher

My .02 is that if you leave your prospective employer out of the brainstorming phase then you reduce your options and you fail to use all the resources you have at hand. This guy is not successful because he makes poor choices. He'll most likely come up with a killer win-win solution. Go to him with this dilemma ... communicate with the person you are considering changing your situation because of.



Posted by: MCx2

Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA View Post


Holy jesus, what a random pic! Did you save this shit?

Oh and double...I thought it went ectomorph, endomorph, mesomoprh..?
That picture has been deemed the "Argument Ender."

For some reason it brings an eerie calmness to a thread.

I believe it's currently working it's magic in 5 threads now.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by ReproMan View Post
That picture has been deemed the "Argument Ender."

For some reason it brings an eerie calmness to a thread.

I believe it's currently working it's magic in 5 threads now.
You're just lucky this isn't sherdog.
Or else you'd be the next "guido" or "ugly dancing girl"





Posted by: KelJu

Quote Originally Posted by ReproMan View Post
That picture has been deemed the "Argument Ender."

For some reason it brings an eerie calmness to a thread.

I believe it's currently working it's magic in 5 threads now.
Lawl, I think the picture should be named:

"The Facilitator"



Posted by: MCx2

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
Lawl, I think the picture should be named:

"The Facilitator"




Posted by: maniclion

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
DOMS and DoubleD are correct for my situation. As long as I lift, I eat right. When I stop lifting, I stop eating right. It is a direct psychological relationship. If I manage my stress well, I lift well, and diet well. Everything feds off of other things.

The money will probably keep me happy, and will keep me motivated in the gym, which should help me keep my diet in check which should lead to overall satisfaction. I think I can manage all 3 things.

You guys are right though, this offer is too good to pass up.
Stop being a pussy and step up to the plate, do it for lil' Timmy, waste not want not....



Posted by: KelJu

Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
Stop being a pussy and step up to the plate, do it for lil' Timmy, waste not want not....




Posted by: Blooming Lotus

Some of the comments here have clearly been from certain individuals who obviously have nevver themselves personally worked that hard.. let alone or not trained as hard.
It seems like you've made your decision but, and even if I sound overconcerned for saying it, take care not to burn out. It happens to the best of us and recovery from thaat is a waay bigger bitch than easing up for a few mths and recovering from thaat.
Well done on getting the prospect anyway.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.



Posted by: tucker01

Quote Originally Posted by danzik17 View Post
What's with the 35lb difference between 2 and 3 chicks? Does the hotness (1-10) of the chick affect the outcome? Your training regime intrigues me!

See if you only banged 1-2 chicks you are probably lying and didn't score at all. So the only physical activity is choking the chicken, clearly not as productive as a chick.

Does hotness count. What are you gay, that is like asking if she was satisfied. Who cares unless you got your rocks off



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
See if you only banged 1-2 chicks you are probably lying and didn't score at all. So the only physical activity is choking the chicken, clearly not as productive as a chick.

Does hotness count. What are you gay, that is like asking if she was satisfied. Who cares unless you got your rocks off
lawl. Indeed.



Posted by: Blooming Lotus

ooh...
wrong 2 chicks !!! :P..




Posted by: Double D

Yeah I am not a hard worker at all, just ask my wife she will definitly tell ya.



Posted by: KelJu

I got a call from the partner of the rich guy today. All of a sudden the deal didn't sound all that great anymore. The wage they offered me was barely more than what I am making now. I refused the offer and named my price. That was a huge fucking rush. I have never talked serious business at this level before, but I stood my ground firmly. I told the guy that taking this job bumps me from 45 hours a week to 70. I told him that after 45 hours a week, my time is worth more to me. He was trying to reiterate the point that this is cash and under the table, so the lack of taxes really bumps the wage up 3 or 4 dollars. I kept firm and told him again what my time is worth. His voice changed a little and he backed down. He told me he would discuss it with rich guy and get back to me.

I'm 95% certain they will cough up the dough, and if they don't then I have more free time to do what I want to do. Either way, I win.



Posted by: fufu

Good stuff.



Posted by: Double D

Standing your ground and placing demands! Take it or leave it. Nice.



Posted by: Brachiisaurus

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
I got a call from the partner of the rich guy today. All of a sudden the deal didn't sound all that great anymore. The wage they offered me was barely more than what I am making now. I refused the offer and named my price. That was a huge fucking rush. I have never talked serious business at this level before, but I stood my ground firmly. I told the guy that taking this job bumps me from 45 hours a week to 70. I told him that after 45 hours a week, my time is worth more to me. He was trying to reiterate the point that this is cash and under the table, so the lack of taxes really bumps the wage up 3 or 4 dollars. I kept firm and told him again what my time is worth. His voice changed a little and he backed down. He told me he would discuss it with rich guy and get back to me.

I'm 95% certain they will cough up the dough, and if they don't then I have more free time to do what I want to do. Either way, I win.



I don't know what to tell ya. Sounds like he might be displeased.



Posted by: fufu

Quote Originally Posted by Brachiisaurus View Post


I don't know what to tell ya. Sounds like he might be displeased.
It's good to stand strong from the get-go. Or else you get shat upon.



Posted by: tucker01

Good job laying your gonads out like that. I would rather have an employee show that type of desire then some spineless bitch.



Posted by: squanto

Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
I got a call from the partner of the rich guy today. All of a sudden the deal didn't sound all that great anymore. The wage they offered me was barely more than what I am making now. I refused the offer and named my price. That was a huge fucking rush. I have never talked serious business at this level before, but I stood my ground firmly. I told the guy that taking this job bumps me from 45 hours a week to 70. I told him that after 45 hours a week, my time is worth more to me. He was trying to reiterate the point that this is cash and under the table, so the lack of taxes really bumps the wage up 3 or 4 dollars. I kept firm and told him again what my time is worth. His voice changed a little and he backed down. He told me he would discuss it with rich guy and get back to me.

I'm 95% certain they will cough up the dough, and if they don't then I have more free time to do what I want to do. Either way, I win.




Posted by: KelJu

Rich guy called me today. He agreed to my price and I start next Sunday. I work from 8 to 5 on Sundays and Mondays for rich guy, and I will be working 8 to 5 Tuesday through Saturday at the shop plus overtime. I think I will easily pull $4,000 a month. I have made that kind of money before working on a steam turbine in a Coal Power plant, but I was working my ass off. I'll be matching that kind of money doing much easier work now. Lawl, taking pictures and managing an inventory system online in an air conditioned guest house hardly feels like work to me.

My future's so bright, I got to wear !



Posted by: Double D

Nice.....good things do happen to good people after all. I am just waiting for my break now. Proud of ya brother.



Posted by: KelJu

Quote Originally Posted by Double D View Post
Nice.....good things do happen to good people after all. I am just waiting for my break now. Proud of ya brother.
Thanks buddy. Just be patient and it will happen for you. Sounds to me like you have made good decisions lately, you just never know when those decisions will pay off. I was completely blindsided by an opportunity. It happens that way.



Posted by: Double D

Just keep your head. I know it will be alot of work. Just try to maintain a good balance of work and training as much as possible.



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