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Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteTheGreek

You need to stop this bodybuilding nonsense and come over to the dark side.

The pizza and ice cream dark side???

Posted by: katt

OK, so I didn't do cardio last night.. have my stuff packed for after work..

We did measurements last night and I kinda got into a funk about it. We really needed to do a bodyfat test before, which we didn't do..

On a couple things I was up.. ass (1 inch) & chest (2 inches) - but all the rest of the measurements were the same... and I'm up 15 pounds

..... so......I feel harder, not as soft as when we started... my weights are up tremendously since before... I guess I was was expecting more..

Anyway,, we'll take photos and see what the difference is there....maybe that'll tell the story..

Posted by: Burner02

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteTheGreek

You need to stop this bodybuilding nonsense and come over to the dark side.

what...like joining a 'Planet Fitness' center....
sorry...still on a rant.....

Posted by: dg806

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Wow - thanks!

Anytime! Let me know if you have other qestions.

Posted by: dg806

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Anyway,, we'll take photos and see what the difference is there....maybe that'll tell the story..

Sounds like there is a good difference with 15 lbs. Lets see the pics~

Posted by: soxmuscle

I'm getting psyched for the pics.

For feedback purposes, of course.

Posted by: dg806

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I'm getting psyched for the pics.

For feedback purposes, of course.

You're too young for these. May have to restrict your access

Posted by: soxmuscle

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg806

You're too young for these. May have to restrict your access

Here's my fake.. I mean heres my ID:

Posted by: dg806

Lmao

Posted by: PeteTheGreek

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

The pizza and ice cream dark side???

The powerlifting darkside. Cardio and dieting are overrated.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Whoa. Did someone say pics? Why didn't anyone call me?

Posted by: katt

oh,, Hell No,, I'm not posting my fat ass pictures right now!! You will have to wait

Yep,,, my cardio stuff is still in my bag

had to come home & mow the lawn instead.. we are leaving on Friday morning to go visit my hubby's family. Plus I think I need to get another batch of salsa done probably tomorrow the way the tomatoes are looking.

Pete - the powerlifting darkside??? Do you want me to hurt myself?

Sox - nice ID....

Hey dg - I appreciate the info.. will let you know if I have any more questions

Burner - there is no way I'd go to a Planet Fitness.... what would I wear??? I threw out my leggings in the 80's..

And I'm NOT going back there.

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteTheGreek

The powerlifting darkside. Cardio and dieting are overrated.

powerlifting is more fun, cause you get to get strong AND eat a lot too

of course, you won't see your abs, but that's the tradeoff.....pizza or abs...hmmmm

Posted by: yellowmoomba

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewart20

.....pizza or abs...hmmmm

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........that's a tough question????

Posted by: Fitgirl70

[quote=katt;1674877]oh,, Hell No,, I'm not posting my fat ass pictures right now!! You will have to wait

[quote]

Fat ass????? Are you in my gallery again? I've seen YOUR gallery and it does not look like there is anything in there that is fat!!!!

Now post em up biatch.....uh.....I mean....show me those pics! Hey nice stems

Posted by: katt

Today we had to split our leg workout between today & tomorrow..

I just wasn't feelin it today..

Box Squats
(95) 1x8
(115) 1x8
(135) 1x8
(155) 1x8

Deadlifts
(95) 1x8
(135) 1x8
(160) 1x1... did the first one,, then said "no more"

That's it for today - we'll have more time tomorrow..

Posted by: Brutus_G

You may not be feeling it Katt but it looks like a good set of numbers!

Posted by: SamEaston

I can't believe you put on 15lb and didn't add any to your waist! That's amazing!! You must be solid muscle now!

How long do you want to cut for?

Posted by: the other half

you guys need to get on her about letting the weights get the best of her.
she is head strong in everything but that. she needs to know that it is ok to throw a bitch fit if need be.

Posted by: SamEaston

Im not getting on at her about anything.

She'll kick my head in

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamEaston

Im not getting on at her about anything.

She'll kick my head in

Isn't she about 7000 miles away? I think you're safe.

Posted by: SamEaston

Oh yeah . . .

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other half

you guys need to get on her about letting the weights get the best of her.
she is head strong in everything but that. she needs to know that it is ok to throw a bitch fit if need be.

Yeah,,, like I'm even going to throw a fit at the gym...

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamEaston

I can't believe you put on 15lb and didn't add any to your waist! That's amazing!! You must be solid muscle now!

How long do you want to cut for?

I'm thinking I'll have about 6 weeks before we go hunting to eat properly... that should be good for now.

Posted by: Scarface30

even if that workout was split up, it still looked good to me!

so there are pics, eh?

...lol..I mean!

Posted by: katt

I haven't taken pic's yet.... that's where the procrastination comes in...

But my hubby took pics of himself.. and man, what a difference ! It's amazing!

Posted by: katt

Second part of the leg workout..

Leg extensions - my quads were a little sore
(150) 1x10
(165) 1x8
(180) 1x8

Icarian lying leg curl
(100) 1x8
(120) 1x8
(130) 1x8

Iso Glute machine
(100) 2x8
(110) 1x8

Seated Calf machine
(45) 1x12, 2x10

Standing Calf Raise
(#6) 2x15, 1x12

Ab Crunch Machine
(40) 1x20, 2x15

Ball Crunch
1x15, 2x10

Done for the day! We will probably workout when we are away

Everyone have a great weekend!

Posted by: JerseyDevil

15 lbs is a good gain for a first cycle.

I see you're doing box squats now.... cool

Posted by: b_reed23

I think pics are definetly in order....15lb isn't bad at ALL especially if you added in good areas!!

Posted by: katt

Thanks B... It's not all in the right spots, but it's not bad

Today's wo
Incline Bar
(95) 1x8
(115) 1x7
(125) 1x3 + 1 negative

Flat Bench (bar)
(95) 1x8
(115) 1x8
(135) 1x6

Incline DB Fly
(30's) 1x8
(32.5) 1x8
(35) 1x8

Dips bw
1x12, 1x9, 1x7

more tonight.. out of time....

Posted by: SamEaston

135lb on a flat bench for 6 reps.

That's monstrous! And now you're cutting, right?

Posted by: Brutus_G

Damn your almost DB benching what you BB bench WTF

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamEaston

135lb on a flat bench for 6 reps.

That's monstrous! And now you're cutting, right?

I'm trying right now... kinda slackin ... Last week was a hard transition from replacing most the rice with vege's....terrible terrible bloat...ughhhh

Seems a bit better this week... but I haven't lost any weight yet.

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brutus_G

Damn your almost DB benching what you BB bench WTF

What?!?.... I'm not suppose to do that?

Posted by: SheLifts

WOW katt! you're putting us ome awesome numbers on your workouts.

don't worry, as a fellow chic, i'm procrastinating photos too.

Posted by: Burner02

hey! NICE workout! So....do you have a nice...grunt when you put up that monster weight!

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burner02

hey! NICE workout! So....do you have a nice...grunt when you put up that monster weight!

It would be sexier if it was a moan lol.

Posted by: Witchblade

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brutus_G

It would be sexier if it was a moan lol.

I'd laugh my ass off if a girl would moan when squatting.

Posted by: katt

I try not to grunt.... but sometimes with squats I can't help it....

There's usually not enough people there anyway,, so it doesn't bother me.

Posted by: PeteTheGreek

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Flat Bench (bar)
(95) 1x8
(115) 1x8
(135) 1x6

The only other girl on here who can do that is Sean

Posted by: goob

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witchblade

I'd laugh my ass off if a girl would moan when squatting.

Of course, that depends on where she was squatting.....

Posted by: JerseyDevil

135 x 6 bench Katt? Awesome!

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteTheGreek

The only other girl on here who can do that is Sean

Posted by: yellowmoomba

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

135 x 6 bench Katt? Awesome!

Ditto!!

Posted by: katt

yeah, weird huh... I saw the 135 on there and I didn't think I could do it (mind games again) but it happened...

Tonight we finished

Skull Crushers ss w/CG Bench
wu w/ bar
1x12/ 1x12

then we went with the ez curl bar
(65) 1x8/ 1x8
(75) 1x8/ 1x8

DB behind the head tri-press
(40) 1x10
(50) 1x10
(60) 1x10

I'm too tired & grumpy to post any more tonight... I'll give it a go tomorrow night

Posted by: katt

ok so I forgot to post last night that we also did 30 minutes of cardio on the treadmill

Today 's wo

Pull ups
1x4, 1x4, 1x3 + 1 negative

Close Grip Pull downs
(90) 1x8
(100) 1x8
(110) 1x6

superset w/

Straight arm pushdowns
(80) 1x8
(90) 1x8
(100) 1x4

Standing Bar Curls
(50) 1x8
(60) 1x8
(70) 1x5

Seated Incline DB Curl
(25) 1x8
(22.5) 1x6
(20) 1x8...

Forearm curls
(50) 1x10
(40) 1x10 front 1x10 reverse

Posted by: b_reed23

what kind of supps are you taking now that your cutting??

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by goob

Of course, that depends on where she was squatting.....

Or on whom.

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by b_reed23

what kind of supps are you taking now that your cutting??

Just the basic...

Fish oil, flax oil, multi-vit and I'm still taking my milk thistle

Also still taking glutamine before & after workout.. but I stopped taking the creatine.

That about does it... I'll probably add in BCAA's when I get leaner

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple Threat

Or on whom.

You guys!!!!

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

You guys are great!!!!

Posted by: katt

You smoozer......that's lame

Just suck it up and take it like a man.... that's what the other half does....

Posted by: Mista

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

When did you stop the creatine?

Posted by: ReproMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

ok so I forgot to post last night that we also did 30 minutes of cardio on the treadmill

Today 's wo

Pull ups
1x4, 1x4, 1x3 + 1 negative

Close Grip Pull downs
(90) 1x8
(100) 1x8
(110) 1x6

superset w/

Straight arm pushdowns
(80) 1x8
(90) 1x8
(100) 1x4

Standing Bar Curls
(50) 1x8
(60) 1x8
(70) 1x5

Seated Incline DB Curl
(25) 1x8
(22.5) 1x6
(20) 1x8...

Forearm curls
(50) 1x10
(40) 1x10 front 1x10 reverse

Wow, that's awesome! I think we curl about the same amount.

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mista

When did you stop the creatine?

Last week,,, when my supps were up. I've gotten rid of some of the water retention, now I'm working on the fat pad..

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReproMan

Wow, that's awesome! I think we curl about the same amount.

Whaaatt?????

Posted by: the other half

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

You smoozer......that's lame

Just suck it up and take it like a man.... that's what the other half does....

i dont think that this is the appropriate thread for a comment like that.

Posted by: Musclebeach

135 bench? Including you I only know 3 ladies who can bench 135.

Are youre fucking cutting!!

the other half - Does she threaten to beat you up if you dont do what she tells you? Make dinner, NOW! Feed the dog, NOW! Dust the house, NOW!

lol.

Posted by: katt

Muscle - I just started cutting, so it hasn't effected my strength yet...

Today's wo

Neutral Grip DB Press
(35's) 1x8
(42.5) 1x8
(47.5) 1x5

Upright rows
(60) 1x8
(70) 1x8
(80) 1x7

Seated DB Side Lat Raise
(12.5) 1x8
(15) 1x8
(17.5) 1x8

Hyper extensions
w/25 lb plate
1x12, 2x15

ss w/
Shrugs on the Forza machine
(180) 1x8
(200) 1x8
(220) 1x5 - I pooped out..

Done - cardio tonight... plus I didn't do anything for the back delts.. probably will throw in reverse flys tonight.

Posted by: Brutus_G

LOL Katts a beast! I mean that in the best way possible

Posted by: b_reed23

a lady beast!!

Posted by: goob

Great Scott! Good shruggage!!!

Posted by: katt

Yea Goobster.... whatever doesn't kill you makes you stonger... right?

Posted by: the other half

actually that is very true. because katt makes me stronger, but i know that she will be the one to kill me also.

especially in the mornings.

Posted by: katt

why would I kill you in the morning???? You workout just as hard as I do!

Besides,,, if you did go in the morning, I'd have to run around all day trying to find a place to stash the body...

Posted by: the other half

now im afriad of the night. thanks. i wont be coming home from work today.

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other half

now im afriad of the night. thanks. i wont be coming home from work today.

Woo Hoo!!! Girls night out

Not really...

Posted by: katt

A little update... I took FOUR WHOLE DAYS OFF!!! Seems like forever!!

But, back at it - tonight is cardio! I'm feeling a little "soft" and I don't like it.

Posted by: the other half

ya soft in all the right places.

Posted by: goob

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other half

ya soft in all the right places.

Posted by: Scarface30

workouts looking as good as normal in here katt!

Posted by: katt

ok, so I really went and did cardio!!!! I never would have thought I would sweat so much doing it though.. gawd!

45 minutes on incline level 4.5 - 5.5 and between 3.4 - 3.5 speed.. my heart rate stayed right at 120-125.. I need to figure out the whole heart rate thing. I had a trainer tell me that I needed to keep it at 120 or under, so I would burn fat and not muscle... anyway,, tonight was hard, but I'm ready for it

Posted by: soxmuscle

I like what you're doing up in her'

Get back in the gym and hit it hard.

Posted by: katt

This morning was legs - we ran out of time so I didn't have any calf work today

Squats
(95) 1x8
(135) 1x8
(155) 1x8 - these felt good

Leg Extensions
(165) 1x8
(195) 1x8
(210) 1X6

Lying Leg Curl
(90) 1x10
(110) 1x8
(120) 1x8

SLDL on the Forza machine
(90) 1x8
(110) 1x8
(140) 1x8

Cals for the day 1598, 45% protein, 31% carb, 24% fat

I have to get used to the hungry feeling again..

Posted by: goob

Nice job katt. Hungry feeling sucks. Did you feel well up for it after 4 days off?

Posted by: Brutus_G

Katt you go girl! Stick with that cardio and youll be getting leaner.

Posted by: Stewart20

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Cals for the day 1598, 45% protein, 31% carb, 24% fat

I think I just had that for lunch

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Nice squats and leg extensions!

Posted by: katt

What a morning - my stepdaughter locked her keys in her truck so I had to scramble to get her to school... the only spare key is at her moms.. I'm making one now!

Today's wo - was cut short - will be going back tonight to finish & do cardio

Incline DB Press
(45's) 1x10
(50) 1x8
(55) 1x8

Flat DB Press
(50) 1x7
(55) 1x7
(60) 1x5

I used straps....

Pec Deck
(100) 1x18
(120) 1x8
(130) 1x8

started doing our tri's but we figured just cut it short and do the rest tonight!

Cals today ar 1723 - 50% pro/ 30% carb/ 20 % fat

Posted by: SheLifts

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Leg Extensions
(165) 1x8
(195) 1x8
(210) 1X6

Lying Leg Curl
(90) 1x10
(110) 1x8
(120) 1x8

I have a color coded response.

WOW!! I'm using about 40# for these.

You make my 20# look so wimpy.

Katt, I'd like to increase my bench press by about 20 lbs in the next 6 months. Any advice on techniques that are best for that?

Posted by: Scarface30

very nice workout katt!

good job on the flat DB press

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by SheLifts

You know what's worked for us in the past - we vary between doing sets w/ 3-6 reps... as heavy as we can possibly go... we do that for few weeks,, then we go back to the 8-10 reps..

Another thing would be negatives... those helped me tremendously on my pullups,,, but they hurt like hell !

Those numbers are all mental I tell ya... I've always been pretty strong, but you have to get past that "damn that's heavy" mental block.... yeah, it's heavy, but you can do it - it's just going to hurt really bad....

Posted by: Brutus_G

LOL the straps on a press!

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brutus_G

LOL the straps on a press!

Sorry - I was in a hurry...... wraps.....I used wraps....

Posted by: katt

The rest of our workout we finished tonight

30 minutes cardio on the treadmill

Single arm overhead tricep extension
(20) 1x8
(22.5) 1x8
(25) 1x8

Cable Push downs - outside rack - this was harder, I usually do the inside rack which is the 2 or 3 pulley system - this is just one..
(60) 1x10
(70) 1x7
(55) 1x10

Life Fitness Tricep push down
(110) 1x10
(130) 1x8
(150) 1x10

Hanging leg raise
2x15

Ball Crunch
2x15

Done for the night...thank gawd

Posted by: katt

Can I say it was uber hard to get up this morning??? arghhh... I'm glad I get more carbs tomorrow

Today's wo

Pullups
1x5, 1x3 + 2 negatives, 1x3

Cable seated row
(100) 1x8
(110) 1x8
(120) 1x8

Straight Arm push downs
(90) 1x8
(100) 1x8
(110) 1x8

21's (curls)
(40)1x21
(45) 1x21

DB Hammer Curls -standing
(25's) 1x8
(30) 1x7
(32.5) 1x5

Workout felt good today,, only got mad when I went to do the 21's and the "bar hog" at the gym had the 50 lb'r forever...

So,,I started with 40,,, too light... then he still had it..

so we only had magnetic 2 1/2 lb weight to put on each side, so I did that.... still felt it was too light...

Oh well...

Cals for the day around 1700- if I eat all my food... I didn't yesterday and fell short... probably a couple hundred calories (my muscle milk drink)..

Posted by: SamEaston

yeah

You're still the woman!

Go katt - Oh wait, that's a kind of cat food over here! Emm . . . . Well done Katt!

Posted by: Musclebeach

My God how do you function on 1500? Ive been down to 1500 for a bit when cutting for a show, but I was ready to fall over and die!!

Heartrate
220 - age.

Your strength is still up! Good job!

I am going to tell the other half about going to the hair salon, maybe he will go with you!

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musclebeach

My God how do you function on 1500? Ive been down to 1500 for a bit when cutting for a show, but I was ready to fall over and die!!

Heartrate
220 - age.

Your strength is still up! Good job!

I am going to tell the other half about going to the hair salon, maybe he will go with you!

I don't do that too often....I get really really hungry..

Posted by: Brutus_G

Carb day hell yeah! Are you carbing up with me katt? We could be like carb buddies!

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brutus_G

Carb day hell yeah! Are you carbing up with me katt? We could be like carb buddies!

Sure..... I'm in!

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Sure..... I'm in!

Ok ive already eaten half a sugar free pumpkin pie so you gotta play catch up lol. Damn i wish we could go to subway together!

Posted by: Scarface30

very nice workout katt

pullups are looking stronger all the time!

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brutus_G

Ok ive already eaten half a sugar free pumpkin pie so you gotta play catch up lol. Damn i wish we could go to subway together!

The other half is for me????

Hmmm... Subway...

I never really miss bread..... until I eat it...

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

The other half is for me????

Hmmm... Subway...

I never really miss bread..... until I eat it...

The other half is gone

Posted by: vortrit

I looked at some of your workouts yesterday. I couldn't believe your incline strength. It's probably better than mine.

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brutus_G

The other half is gone

DAMN IT!!!!

Maybe I'll just have to make one...

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by vortrit

I looked at some of your workouts yesterday. I couldn't believe your incline strength. It's probably better than mine.

Thanks Vortrit!
I'm really trying concentrate on doing incline movements first... I want to get more mass in the upper portion of my chest..

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Thanks Vortrit!
I'm really trying concentrate on doing incline movements first... I want to get more mass in the upper portion of my chest..

Let's hope GoPro and Saturday Fever don't see this.... we will have another ad nauseum debate for a few months. Hahahaha. Actually I miss those debates

.

So you know what I am talking about.... some contend that because the pectorals only have one insertion point to the delt/bicep tie-in, it is impossible to isolate the upper, middle, or lower chest. Others claim it is entirely possible. My opinion on the matter? Who the hell cares, just workout! I do think a lot of incline work develops the front delt/pec tie-in, which helps give the illusion of a bigger upper chest.

Posted by: vortrit

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Thanks Vortrit!
I'm really trying concentrate on doing incline movements first... I want to get more mass in the upper portion of my chest..

That's actually good thinking. I should concentrate on more incline work.

Posted by: Pylon

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

So you know what I am talking about.... some contend that because the pectorals only have one insertion point to the delt/bicep tie-in, it is impossible to isolate the upper, middle, or lower chest. Others claim it is entirely possible. My opinion on the matter? Who the hell cares, just workout! I do think a lot of incline work develops the front delt/pec tie-in, which helps give the illusion of a bigger upper chest.

Hey, the lady is trying to increase her pectoral mass. DO NOT SCREW THIS UP FOR THE REST OF US!!!!

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Let's hope GoPro and Saturday Fever don't see this.... we will have another ad nauseum debate for a few months. Hahahaha. Actually I miss those debates

I guess I must have missed that debate... I'm one of the ones that feels that your maybe can't totally isolate a certain part, but you can surely put more emphasis on in with certain exercises.

Posted by: katt

This mornings wo

Standing Military Press
(45-bar only) 1x8
(65) 1x8
(75) 1x7
(85) 1x5

Dumbell Raise - I saw this one on the internet this morning, you hold the db's at your side and raise up to your armpits
(25's) 1x8
(30) 1x8
(32.5) 1x6

Rear Delt db Row
(15's) 1x8
(17.5) 1x8
(20) 1x10

Cable Front Raise
(15) 1x10
(20) 1x8
(25) 1x8

Hyper extensions
25 lb plate 3x12
ss w/
shrugs
(140) 1x15
(180) 1x10
(220) 1x8

Posted by: PeteTheGreek

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Standing Military Press
(45-bar only) 1x8
(65) 1x8
(75) 1x7
(85) 1x5

Fuckin' eh, that's pretty good. Sean, can you do that much?

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteTheGreek

Fuckin' eh, that's pretty good. Sean, can you do that much?

You love him like a son dont you?

Posted by: katt

This morning was cardio & abs

45 minutes on the treadmill - 35 minutes at 5.0-6.0 incline at 3.3 - 3.6 speed
then I cranked it to level 12 for 4 minutes and put the speed at 3
last 5 minutes at 5.5 level 3.4 speed

abs
hanging leg raises
side raises
planks
reverse sit ups

That's it -

Posted by: Brutus_G

Burn that fat Katt! Have you ever tried ECA that stuff is just amazing!

Posted by: Musclebeach

You are simply hitting the muscle (in this case the chest) from several different angles; decline, flat, or incline. While the chest does only have one insertion point, it is not made up of one single muscle fiber. It is made up of millions. When you do incline bench you are putting more strain on the upper fibers, when you do decline more strain on the lower fibers.

In general I would say most people get enough upper chest fiber recruitment when doing delt presses. Especially once the back starts arching the the chest becomes more involved.

Just my humble opinion on the matter. Sorry to hijack.

Posted by: SamEaston

Hey Katt, super workouts - and good going on that cardio! Its hell when you're eating below maintenance!

i agree with MB, a general guide for working out maximum heartrate is 220- age, although the most reliable way to find out your heartrate as you workout is a heartrate monitor, or to keep taking it manually (a pain in the ass!).

An easy way to work out which theshold you should be working at is to take your max heartrate (220 - age) and workout your percentages from there. Our coach makes us train at specific thresholds, which are:

Upper Threshold 2 (UT2) - 60-70% of max
Upper Threshold 1 (UT1) - 70-80% of max
Anaerobic Threshold (AT) - 80-90% of max
Anaerobic (AN) - 90-95% of max
Max - 100%

So if your max heart rate was 180bpm, then your threshold heart rates would be as follows:
UT2 : 122-134bpm
UT1 : 135-147bpm
AT : 148-160bpm
AN : 161-167bpm
Max: 168 and above

I suspect what the guy at the gym was recommending was training in the UT2 threshold, which is thought to burn fat and not muscle. I don't agree with this train of thought though. I think,
1. as long as you have enough protein, your muscle gains should be safe
2. for health reasons it is a good idea to train at different thresholds, give your body a challenge
3. the effect of high impact training (AT, AN and max) raises your heart rate close to its maximum. This in turn revs up your metabolism for the rest of the day, which is what you want when you're burning fat.

Just my thoughts, but then, im a cardio junkie!!

Shit, this is a long reply - sorry

Posted by: Burner02

hiya Katt!

Posted by: katt

Hey!! Welcome Back Burner!!

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamEaston

Hey Katt, super workouts - and good going on that cardio! Its hell when you're eating below maintenance!

i agree with MB, a general guide for working out maximum heartrate is 220- age, although the most reliable way to find out your heartrate as you workout is a heartrate monitor, or to keep taking it manually (a pain in the ass!).

An easy way to work out which theshold you should be working at is to take your max heartrate (220 - age) and workout your percentages from there. Our coach makes us train at specific thresholds, which are:

Upper Threshold 2 (UT2) - 60-70% of max
Upper Threshold 1 (UT1) - 70-80% of max
Anaerobic Threshold (AT) - 80-90% of max
Anaerobic (AN) - 90-95% of max
Max - 100%

So if your max heart rate was 180bpm, then your threshold heart rates would be as follows:
UT2 : 122-134bpm
UT1 : 135-147bpm
AT : 148-160bpm
AN : 161-167bpm
Max: 168 and above

I suspect what the guy at the gym was recommending was training in the UT2 threshold, which is thought to burn fat and not muscle. I don't agree with this train of thought though. I think,
1. as long as you have enough protein, your muscle gains should be safe
2. for health reasons it is a good idea to train at different thresholds, give your body a challenge
3. the effect of high impact training (AT, AN and max) raises your heart rate close to its maximum. This in turn revs up your metabolism for the rest of the day, which is what you want when you're burning fat.

Just my thoughts, but then, im a cardio junkie!!

Shit, this is a long reply - sorry

Thanks! Good info there...

I don't know about going so hard (AT, AN and max) though... I would think you would have to sacrifice some muscle at that point... but that's just my opinion, I don't know the statistics behind it.

Posted by: SamEaston

I don't think you would lose any more muscle than you would during long sessions.

I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago, not sure where, that if your goal is to burn fat during cardio, to make sure you are not eating a carb dense meal before your workout, as your body will utilise these carbs first for energy. So, i guess you would have to play around with taking in enough carbs pre-cardio to stop you burning muscle for energy, but not too much that fat burning is halted completely.

A very interesting topic, but one im sure that is highly individual too!

Posted by: katt

Yeah that makes sense.. I know on my lifting + cardio days, my carbs are up, but not over my protein percentages.. Maybe I'll just play around with it and see how it works.

Posted by: fufu

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

This mornings wo

Standing Military Press
(45-bar only) 1x8
(65) 1x8
(75) 1x7
(85) 1x5

Dumbell Raise - I saw this one on the internet this morning, you hold the db's at your side and raise up to your armpits
(25's) 1x8
(30) 1x8
(32.5) 1x6

Rear Delt db Row
(15's) 1x8
(17.5) 1x8
(20) 1x10

Cable Front Raise
(15) 1x10
(20) 1x8
(25) 1x8

Hyper extensions
25 lb plate 3x12
ss w/
shrugs
(140) 1x15
(180) 1x10
(220) 1x8

nice military presses!

Posted by: katt

Thanks fufu ! I was half expecting a drop in strength by now, but I haven't yet..

Posted by: Scarface30

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

great workout katt! your military press is awesome!

Posted by: goob

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarface30

great workout katt! your military press is awesome!

Seconded. Most of Katt's lifts follow suit.

Posted by: katt

I'm grumpy today - didn't make my food for today, so I'm rushed..

Today's wo

Hammer Strength Incline press
(110) 1x8
(130) 1x6
(140) 1x5

Hammer Strength Flat bench
(110) 1x8
(130) 1x8
(140) 1x5

Cable X-overs - squeeze in middle
(40 ea side) 1x10
(50) 1x10
(60) 1x8

Dips
BW +10
1x8
1x6
1x5 + just bw 1x2

Close Grip Incline Press
(45) 1x10
(65) 1x8
(85) 1x4

out of time. Cals for the day 1694 48% pro. 31% carb, 18% fat I'm off a percent or two but who cares.

Posted by: Burner02

hey kitty katt....turn that frown upside down!

I like the dips!

Posted by: katt

I think I'm just upset about my cutting... I'm not staying focused... it all starts good then it goes to crap when I get home...

I just need to get my mind straight and JUST DO IT!!

Posted by: the other half

we need to find something that will keep us motivated after 6 pm.

so what do some of you do at night when you get home from work that helps keep you from sitting on the couch watching meaningless tv shows?????

Posted by: P-funk

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other half

we need to find something that will keep us motivated after 6 pm.

so what do some of you do at night when you get home from work that helps keep you from sitting on the couch watching meaningless tv shows?????

take a walk....

since i left NYC, I noticed that I haven't been as active. In NYC, I would easily walk over a mile each day (probably closer to 2.5-3 miles). So, at night when I get home from work, I sit down and eat and check my emails and then I take a 1 hour walk. When I come home, I shower and then I am ready for bed.

Walking takes your mind off things (like dieting) and it helps you decompress.

Posted by: soxmuscle

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

I think I'm just upset about my cutting... I'm not staying focused... it all starts good then it goes to crap when I get home...

I just need to get my mind straight and JUST DO IT!!

Posted by: Brutus_G

Developing OCD about this stuff helps. I mean i went to school and had all my meals,gym clothes, and BCAAs but i forgot my books lol.

Posted by: goob

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Posted by: PeteTheGreek

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other half

mattress wrestling

Posted by: the other half

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteTheGreek

mattress wrestling

well the two st. bernards make that a little difficult sometimes.

Posted by: jokbc52

walk the dogs after a week or two the will be dragging you out the door because the want there walk...

Posted by: katt

DAMN IT GOOB!! Quit putting skinny Ethiopian boys on my journal!!!

Posted by: katt

ok, so here is my night... went to the gym to do cardio..... yay!

Got 15 minutes into it when the insulation guy said he was coming to the house to do an estimate (we're remodeling)

shit... get there,,, he give's me a freaking card with a number on it,, and I say... " you want HOW MUCH????" Fuck it,, I'm doing it myself... I'm getting really mad at people that want to rip you off.....

then I have to run flyers out to a house that the owner was pissed because there were no more color flyers in his flyer box... oh gawd!

I get home, about now.. and I haven't had dinner yet...

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by jokbc52

walk the dogs after a week or two the will be dragging you out the door because the want there walk...

yeah, problem is, we can't walk them if it's too hot (being over 70 or so) because they get over-heated.....

Posted by: jokbc52

Yeah thats true being big dogs with thick coats...

Posted by: SamEaston

I agree that night-time is the worst time for caving in to those late night carb cravings, but even though im generally not home until 8pm, and when i get home i still have to do housekeeping things like laundry, dishes, cleaning, shopping, phone parents, etc, if i have a hankering for carbs that arn't in my calorie allowance for the day, rest assured, it's only a matter of time before i chase them down and eat them.

It doesn't matter how busy i am, if all i can think about is food, i'll give in sooner or later. My thinking is that it is still only recently that you stopped eating above maintenance, and your body is probably missing the extra food. Give it a couple more weeks and it will get easier, not more enjoyable, but easier!

Posted by: 1quick1

Nice journal Katt

Posted by: katt

Thanks Sam... I can't be totally hard on myself, I am down 4 pounds so far.. I'm getting on track now

1quick1 - thanks & welcome to my journal!

Today was legs - the first part anyway. Have to finish tonight

Front Squats
(65) 1x8
(85) 1x8
(95) 1x5, 1x8 PR

Hammer Strength Leg Extensions
(50) 1x8
(70) 1x8
(90) 1x5

Life Fitness leg press (single leg)
(135) 1x10
(155) 1x10
(175) 1x10

will finish hams & calves tonight

Only made two meals to take to work today,, a couple girls from work are taking me across the lake for a pre-birthday lunch... and I can't really say no..

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Only made two meals to take to work today,, a couple girls from work are taking me across the lake for a pre-birthday lunch... and I can't really say no..

Woman cannot live on bread alone.

Nice workout, katt!

Posted by: the other half

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOMS

Woman cannot live on bread alone.

no, but vodka, possible!!!!

Posted by: Scarface30

great workout katt! good job on the PR

they always make a workout that much better!

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Today was legs - the first part anyway. Have to finish tonight

How are you liking the split workouts? I've tried them before, but found I really dragged in the second one.

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

DAMN IT GOOB!! Quit putting skinny Ethiopian boys on my journal!!!

Goob this needs to stop that damn goob!

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple Threat

How are you liking the split workouts? I've tried them before, but found I really dragged in the second one.

I don't like them AT ALL! We just run out of time anymore.. I don't mind going in after work and doing cardio, that's ok..

I think I need to re-adjust my 8-5 workday to maybe 8:30-5 and cut my lunch hour to a half hour,,,,, like I ever take a lunch anyway..

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Only made two meals to take to work today,, a couple girls from work are taking me across the lake for a pre-birthday lunch... and I can't really say no..

In that case, just drink your lunch

Posted by: the other half

well there was no split w/o. but she did drink her lunch and part of her dinner also.
but i think she had fun, so that is all that matters

Posted by: goob

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

DAMN IT GOOB!! Quit putting skinny Ethiopian boys on my journal!!!

Posted by: SheLifts

great workout katt. tonight is my pull night. let's see what kind of numbers i can pull out of my sleeve.

Posted by: SheLifts

i'm sure you're posted it a million times, but waht supps are you using while you're cutting?

Posted by: katt

I haven't really started any thermogenics yet... just upped my fish oils from 3 to 6 a day. I take fish, flax, multi-vitamin and I just started taking a potassium supp yesterday, because I started getting cramps when I was doing my leg extensions.

I don't know what other deficiency causes muscle cramps,,maybe I should look into that...

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

I haven't really started any thermogenics yet... just upped my fish oils from 3 to 6 a day. I take fish, flax, multi-vitamin and I just started taking a potassium supp yesterday, because I started getting cramps when I was doing my leg extensions.

I don't know what other deficiency causes muscle cramps,,maybe I should look into that...

Looks very moderate and intelligent Katt Maybe you could add in BCAAs fort running/cardio ,but even then your set girl.

Posted by: fufu

congrats on teh front squats!
gee willackers

Posted by: katt

Thanks fufu - I started putting towels on my shoulders and it doesn't hurt so bad now.

I guess we're taking a couple days off......the other half informed me we were leaving today for 'somewhere' and that I should pack an overnight bag.... hmmmm......

Posted by: vortrit

Hello.

Posted by: Archangel

Hello Sister Katt, hope all is well!!!

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Somewhere over the rainbow?

Posted by: Malley

Hi Katt how have ya been?

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

I guess we're taking a couple days off......the other half informed me we were leaving today for 'somewhere' and that I should pack an overnight bag.... hmmmm......

He didn't say where you were going?

He wasn't packing a machete, was he?

Posted by: Little Wing

oh man! first Bakerboy disappeared... not katt too.

Posted by: goob

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Wing

oh man! first Bakerboy disappeared... not katt too.

......and it all coincides with occasional appearances from Bigdyl....

Posted by: katt

No I didn't disappear.....

We went for the weekend to a nearby (well, 2 1/2 hrs away) city and just goofed around,,, came back Saturday and my office had a "hosted" cruise on the lake... so,,, drinking,,

and drinking,,,

led to more drinking

.... and I feel like crap today..

Back at it tomorrow.....I'm not giving up... wadda ya all talkin' bout !!!!

Posted by: katt

ok, so we decided with the hunting season just a few weeks away - yikes! - that we are going to do higher reps until then and focus on cardio also.

Today's wo
DB Incline Press
(40) 1x12
(45) 1x12
(47.5)1x10
(50) 1x9

Flat DB Bench Press
(40) 1x10
(45) 1x10
(47.5) 1x8

Rope push downs w/squeeze at contraction
(60) 1x12
(70) 1x12
(80) 1x12

DB Kick backs
(15) 1x12
(17.5) 1x10
(20) 1x10

Dips -bw
1x8, 1x5

Felt good after a few days away

Cardio tonight

Posted by: SheLifts

wow! nice workout!

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

ok, so we decided with the hunting season just a few weeks away - yikes! - that we are going to do higher reps until then and focus on cardio also.

You hunt? I've thought about hunting, but I've yet to see a "Politician Season Open" sign.

Posted by: SamEaston

Cool! Higher reps!

How are you getting on with them? Is it denting your confidence to be lifting lighter weights again?

Posted by: Triple Threat

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

ok, so we decided with the hunting season just a few weeks away - yikes! - that we are going to [...] focus on cardio also.

Don't you shoot them before trying to catch them?

Posted by: katt

DOMS - time will come,, just wait..

Sam- No dents in the confidence...It'll be a good change!

TT- I try to run them down first, to tire them out,, then I figure they will stand still enough so I can shoot them..

Posted by: Brutus_G

I see your back and ready to set some Prs i kinda have a love hate with relationship with high reps.

Posted by: b_reed23

lookin good!

Posted by: Scarface30

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOMS

You hunt? I've thought about hunting, but I've yet to see a "Politician Season Open" sign.

back to the workout though, great workout katt!

your DB pressing is awesome!

Posted by: JerseyDevil

You're gone for 3-4 days, and IM is sending out a search party

Posted by: katt

Search party... how funny...

Thanks B & Scar!

Yeah Brutus I'm kinda iffy on them myself, but you have to switch things around sometimes..

tonight was cardio - 45 minutes on incline 3-6.00 - speed 3.3 - 3.7
I was sweating so bad... but it was good!

Posted by: 1quick1

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

tonight was cardio - 45 minutes on incline 3-6.00 - speed 3.3 - 3.7
I was sweating so bad... but it was good!

45 minutes

Nice work. I would be soaked and probably half dead by the end of that

Posted by: Brutus_G

Cant do that treadmill stuff i gotta be free lol sounds kinda gay. I run trails and shit more fun.

Posted by: katt

Today's wo

Neutral grip pull ups
1x5, 1x5, 1x3 -p/1x1

Seated Cable Row
(80) 1x12
(90) 1x12
(100) 1x12

Straight Arm Push Downs
(80) 1x12
(90) 1x12
(100) 1x11

Seated Incline DB Curl
(15) 1x12
(20) 1x12
(25) 1x10

DB Preacher -single arm
(17.5) 1x12
(20) 1x12
(22.5) 1x12

Forearm curls - bar
(40) 1x20
1x15

ok, one thing I've noticed with the higher reps.... the burn,,, oh man,, the burn.. usually we are just fatigued and fail,, but this is totally different.

Cals today are only 1573, because of no cardio.. 50% protein/27% carb/25% fat... percentages are off by 2, but oh well.

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brutus_G

Cant do that treadmill stuff i gotta be free lol sounds kinda gay. I run trails and shit more fun.

Yeah, I hear ya..

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1quick1

45 minutes

Nice work. I would be soaked and probably half dead by the end of that

Thanks 1quick1 - the only bad thing about it,, if I did 45 minutes on the stairmill, which is totally harder... that wouldn't even come close to what kind of walking we have to do hunting... that's what is the bad part..

Posted by: b_reed23

wow...you do double what I can do for my straight arm presses

Posted by: goob

Great wo katt! Got to love that rowing and pushdowns - quality numbers.

Posted by: Burner02

hiya katt!

Posted by: katt

Hey Burner! Glad you're back in action...

No weights this morning.. just cardio tonight

Cals 1789.. 47% pro/34% carb/19% fat - I upped it a couple hundred from yesterday.... I was starving!!!! I don't like that feeling when your hungry all day long.!

Posted by: Burner02

I've got my want back...
gonna try the new schedule next week...

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burner02

I've got my want back...
gonna try the new schedule next week...

YAY!!

I know... after last weekend's partys & all... I was sluggish to get back into the gym.... but once I got there, it was like "dang..this feels good!"..

Posted by: Burner02

...I miss having a hottub...when I buy my next house...a hot tub shall be mandatory...

shall help alleviate said sluggish-ness!

Posted by: SamEaston

Oooh, a hot tub sounds fab!!

Katt - hows the DOMS now that you're doing high reps?

Posted by: katt

We have a hot tub and yes, it helps alot... but it usually puts me to sleep!

Doms.... nothing to write home about so far,, this is just weird... It takes me about 2 days to feel any soreness or stiffness, but today I feel good,, I mean I can tell I worked out, but I'm not " really sore"..

After the burn I felt, I figured there would be something

But we are still taking Glutamine before & after our workouts, so that may help some... using Glutamine is so controversial anyway, who knows?

Posted by: Burner02

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamEaston

Oooh, a hot tub sounds fab!!

See...
REASON #2 to get hot tub...

What's the line in the movie:
If you build it, they will come...

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

We have a hot tub and yes, it helps alot... but it usually puts me to sleep!

Doms.... nothing to write home about so far,, this is just weird... It takes me about 2 days to feel any soreness or stiffness, but today I feel good,, I mean I can tell I worked out, but I'm not " really sore"..

After the burn I felt, I figured there would be something

But we are still taking Glutamine before & after our workouts, so that may help some... using Glutamine is so controversial anyway, who knows?

Try not using it for a workout and see if it makes a big difference. I remember when i forgot my BCAAs and Glutamine mix i couldn't walk right for 2 weeks.

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brutus_G

Try not using it for a workout and see if it makes a big difference. I remember when i forgot my BCAAs and Glutamine mix i couldn't walk right for 2 weeks.

And why would I want to do that????

Posted by: Brutus_G

If its not doing anything why waste money?

Posted by: katt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brutus_G

If its not doing anything why waste money?

Oh, I took to mean,, don't take it and get the soreness back.... ahhhhhh,, now I get what you meant...

Posted by: Brutus_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by katt

Oh, I took to mean,, don't take it and get the soreness back.... ahhhhhh,, now I get what you meant...

yes get sore katt dont you enjoy limping

Posted by: katt

ok tonight was 30 minutes on the stepmill... gawd that thing is hard.. level 4 for the most part,,, sweat sweat sweat...

Posted by: SamEaston

Yeah, i thought high reps would give you major DOMS. Oh well - maybe the glutamine really is working.

Posted by: katt

ok, so I'm still having a little problem figuring out the weights for the 12 rep range.. today, everything felt too heavy

I thought maybe my higher carb day could be tomorrow, but we have a bbq to go to on Sunday,, so I'll have to wait until then, I guess...

Seated DB Press
(30's) 1x12
(35) 1x12
(40) 1x12

Side Lateral Raises
(15) 1x12
(17.5) 1x12
(20) 1x10

Front Raise
(12.5) 1x12
(15) 1x12
(17.5) 1x12

I initially picked up the 15's for the first set,, then did one and said,,hmmm,, I think I need to go down a weight.. damn it!

Incline Rev fly- I guess that's what it's called
(10)

1x12
(12.5) 1x12
(15) 1x12

Hyper extensions w/25 lb plate
3x12

Shrugs
(140) 1x12
(160) 1x12
(180) 1x12

If nothing else, maybe after doing this for awhile will help the PR's when we get to 6-8 reps again