Originally Posted by Witchblade

Functional Training for Sports - Michael Boyle

Originally Posted by Witchblade

Yeah it is.

Lots of stuff for plyo's, conditioning, balance, speed and core strength.

Originally Posted by mike456

It is a book to get you in condition for all sports, not just specifically basketball... which Is what I think the guy is looking for

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

Care to elaborate on that theory??

Originally Posted by P-funk

As well, the hip flexors in life don't ever really work against any external resistance aside from gravity (unless someone is very week in their psoas, at which point you could do some remedial work for that).

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Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

I respect that it might be contraversial and grounds for debate.. but I'm not sure I get your comment. hip flexors are secondary to looads of movement and should be drilled against resistance for better Rom and structural stabilty.
I know at shaolin they use various weight variation iron arm and wrist braclets to drill striking with the logic that when you take them off , you've been conditioned to get more power out of the same effort.. I was suggesting it as a jumping training tool. .. like when you do pushups or pull ups with someone on you and they jump off and it's easier and you can do more.
If you don't agree with me then I 'm okay with that. I guess he'll just make up his own mind. With good form I don't think there's aany need for injury. I kind of figured that good form was just a presummed given and always is.

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

You don't understand how the body programs movements. Why wouldn't you simply train for better range of motion and "structural stability" (???) in the weight room without fucking up your sprinter mechanics? Does this not make sense or what?

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

Are you missssing the jumping that makes a basketballers bread and butter additional to that or whut ? Do you think dynamic rotor cuff and hip flexor movements and flexibilty and strength at length and plyo bursting from contracted states and quick change through those into co-ordinated dynamic sequences would be of aaany assistance to this type of game player??? at all?:/.?




I don't know how exactly i can answer this atm without sounding offended and somewhat snooty about what you've just said up there, as cute and fun as it initialy was trying to be, considering how many yrs of my life i have dedicated and stiill am dedicating to high performance high study and performance and at the expense of what , and how much it's litterally cost me to keep doing that around the world association to association and degree and masters and ph.d jaunt to jaunt, and to how far around the world through what i 've done to gain that knowledge and experience but ii don't think youu understand the nature of the sequence building of which aspect/s at which point goes into high performance skills.. in thiis regard or any other.
He did ask for advice from someone who had experience training specifially basketballers and if you would like to disclose some of yourr experience in doing that or in training specifically what concise individual skills or aspects of basketball performance with actual advice and specific suggestions he could apply to that request, then by all means go right ahead.
No -one else had given him anything he felt satisfied with prior that anyway...iif anything at all which came from 1 person and no-one else. ..and even that wasn't even clOse to specfic ly naming exercises or what-have -you.
I kind of figured that I am almost due to step back here a little anyway if it's going to be like that so thank you so much for the big headed ignorant insults and misinformation.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

Are you missssing the jumping that makes a basketballers bread and butter additional to that or whut ? Do you think dynamic rotor cuff and hip flexor movements and flexibilty and strength at length and plyo bursting from contracted states and quick change through those into co-ordinated dynamic sequences would be of aaany assistance to this type of game player??? at all?:/.?

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

Good lord Mr. Donuts.

You are not calling English language semantics as the base of your misunderstanding when you 're spelling plyometric dictionary definition plyometric + wikipedia - Google Search

pliometric!!??

You can't even spell it let alone understand it. I 'm not arguing with you though, because one can but try and I don't like to feel assasinated by b.s.
Sorry. If you broaden your criticism, you'll notice how many other ppl also make small grammatical and spelling and generic typo errors. Some times some of us just have to make do and hope you get it .
What diid you say your experience was training basketballers again? Do youu have any practical advice for that guy? i don't have to be right. .. but if he could get some options since we're here posting on the thread he asked for some on, then I would be happy to see that.
Can you offer him aanything but what you have?.. like actual drills or exercises by any chance??

Bye ee.

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

You clearly didn't understand my point. Your bad use of language made it impossible to understand what the fuck you were saying. Mistakes are fine until it comes to a point that you are illegible.

Also, in the original break down of the word, "Plio" means "more" and "metric" means "relating to distance". Funk is right, the original, and as far as I'm concerned, technically accurate spelling is "PLIOMETRIC" and I choose to spell it this way.

And I do understand it. Even if I didn't, you haven't provided a single definition for ANY of the silly claims or remarks you've made. Except your anecdotal evidence. Yes, your anecdotes. What you don't seem to realize is there are many, many definitions for a single word.

Since you are inquiring, I do have experience training basketball players, and I would train them in a similar fashion to any other athlete. I'd focus a bit more on conditioning and shot mechanics (although he'd probably want an expert for that), as well as fundamentals of foot position (if he were playing in the low post), "stance", jump mechanics, and so forth.

Then there's agility, quickness, speed drills, obviously. There's a lot to be done without putting weights on his knees and telling him to rupture all his tendons.

Oh, and in my defense, the original use of the word "diatribē" in Greek meant "the active wearing away of a person's time, amusement, serious occupation, and study." This inspired me to reference you with it.

Originally Posted by mike456

I find I can hold a lot more underhand than overhand

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

The one where P-Funk disagrees with me on merit of potential injury when he himself says he has half his rectum hanging out of his body and is injuring himmself - to which might I add does not not concern me for the severity and so sensitive multi facetted consequences of virtually aanything relating to the region in mention, on trying squat - and I believe wrongly .. as much as that would have to mean buying a pretext that 28 yr old P - Funk did nott know all there was to know about training nor could improve his owwn performance or knowledge - from the same conditioning deficit as would cause the injury theyy elude to , the hermenuetics of which quiite clear to some,..possibley even similar to that regarding the overhand grip strain Mr. Funk - experiences - feel free to see a pattern trend or underlying caause here ( @) ) and the other where Duncan goes about talking Freaking Russian to me using Russian spelling ( like I can even get away with my Australian spelling half the time with Americans ) and mixed syntax as a result and then procedes to tell mee that myy English language command has quite a deal to be desired and everything I advised that guy of is harmful and inneffective???

Well fuck youu Double D.

God loves the cheap seats and armchair critics I'm sure.
How's thaat for buddhist!

Blooming tianshi lotus.

Originally Posted by P-funk

huh

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

I hope that's enough for you start exploring a little deeper on anyway.. both language proficiency if you want to start picking on ppl for it aand the human anatomy. Sorry you don't get it yet.

blooming tianshi lotus.

Originally Posted by P-funk

huh

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

I'll bet ..

To speak in origin's of words Doncan, to be sequitous in your own line of thought, you'd have to find one single language that had each word you wee using originating in that language. . Which i haven't seen you do. It is therefore nott grammatically correct so much as colloquially quirky of you to use it in that way.. especially when it's in the same dialague where you're being pedantic on semantics of the English of others. Get the stick out of from up your butt on it though because who gives a toss about wasting thought and bandwidth arguing about trite b.s.

On the actual discrepency though, i think you could both do with a refresher course in stretching to avoid injury.. of which callethenics would be imo of the most benefit.

I'm talking about core stabilastion and I'm talking about hip / pelvic flexlibilty and I'm talking increasing performance in lieu of comprimising safety by training those connective tissues. Without experience in the prinicipal to a high performance level incorporating that training, It 's a basic matter of physics fundamentals in relation to levers and pulleys and kinetics. Push/Pull Muscle Examples

Patrick has said on two seperate occassions and issues that he has progressive performance troubles and discomfort in two exercises that i believe stem from his lack of understanding of how exactly he could exploit that principal to better serve him.

If you also don't understand the application then i have noo idea what else to say to you except that we diasgree and i vehmently believe that that lack of insight is a potential ticket to injury of yourselves under the circumstances, and or lack of best performance instruction and the safety of others if youu so vehmently argue otherwise and I 'm out numbered and unfamiliar enough for them to take your advice over my own.


I also think that shoulder flexibilty would assist his perfomance through better rom and Hiit and plyos and a very light lifting program would help him perform better and safely train to that end aswell.


Speed training i believe as far as hands and arms , being theiir relationship to core stability I would have him train on a seated resisted elbows up to shoulder height bycycle ab style lateral twist - feet wide and flat - spine straigth - butt back . A short broom stick would do. I might also recommend working a boxing bag for the same and samish motion at various tempos for a series of 200 twists - straight spine shoulders loose and pulling away from the ear on the way down.

For better stance stability I would maybe get him to work on some low squats and pistols / low intensity plyo on alternative set of them if he was fit enough and then a big volume calf / archillies stretch regime . Pelvic flexibilty is also related to how you align your core to stabilse in relation to what that connective tissue is doing with how it's aligned running and sitting down your leg . .. That would likely be due to the role of the tendon that threads itself through the hip and runs down the leg and the satorius muscle it supports.. and the sciatic and saphenous nerves which are threaded similarly and all interconnecting through major nueral lines and also run through somewhat into the core and need a clear unimpeded pathway line to conduct through. .. really important in long term prevention of injury .. Human Anatomy Online
Nervous System

I hope that's enough for you start exploring a little deeper on anyway.. both language proficiency if you want to start picking on ppl for it aand the human anatomy. Sorry you don't get it yet.

blooming tianshi lotus.

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

It is clear to me that you have no education.

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

erm ( ).. are you being sarcastic there by any chance?? .. I might also be dumb too because,.., Idn always get 'cute'

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

..and i wiill get banned rather than not say anything.. take care of yourself P-Funk.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

I don't reeally want to keep arguing and going circles because it usually amounts to very little more than wasting waay too much time and getting worked up and even upset for very little.

According to your profile, You are 23 Duncan. I am 32 and have just a litttle bit more of a broadened perspective and experience than yourself. I do respect naive bashings and I would much rather that if someone has a different understanding of any point or principal of a scientific nature that they explain to mee in clear and concise English exactly where and or how the findings of theeir conculsions work and hopefully that would be enough alone to change my mind.. and i would be absolutely wrapped to clarify my slight if that were to happen.. and openly thank and admit I didn't know prior that, but that's not what's happening here. I'm a pretty hard person to convince with loose information and considering the anecdotal report of P-Funk's concerns in his owwn training execution, .. I 'm not quite yet sold.
I respect what Patrick has acheived both academically and in sports as being internationally competetive, however, I have also earnt my own and am also still pursuing further masteries of related fields.
.. i don't gather that I'm going to have my welcome mat here extended much longer due to the fact that I doo say what I say confidently and openly even when it's disagreeing or slightly different to what certain othrs here with respect are saying, but I guess that is what defines leaders and followers and those who care and those who don't or just think they do.
I care that that guy asked for advice and hadn't gotten anything he could use. I care that I noticed what could amount later on to a serious problem for someone who might be able to avoid that. Hell.. i even care that someone who wants to know has an opportunity to acheive a means to elite performance and whatever comes with that.

I'm oonly ever swayed on science and supportive evidence nott on bullying or trying to win friendships by be unjustifiabley agreeable. .. if i were like that I 'd be married already for chrissake.!That also earns me my own self respect.

Finally, .. i am a shaolin zen buddhist. With all of our hearts we believe in health and fitness and caring about others in the world.. even strangers . ..and in honesty and in sharing information to improve the world and quality of life for others. We also all understand the depth of our quiet integrity about that. We don't always have the right words or more likely time priority or head space as the case may be- to explain to everyone over and over again who don't catch on of their own reason.
It probably makes me less great as teacher in that respect but all due respect to yourselves Duncan, .. I think I'll just have to take a shrug on it. How much doo you think you know 6 yrs or so out of high school??

Blooming tianshi lotus.

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

. Your age is also not a "point scored in your favor", either. The fact that you even bring it up demonstrates a great deal to me because it is utterly irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

Neither does your age go in yours imo as much i wouldn't mind my recent question to someone else elsewhere on IMOF answered and oh but it iis relevant. i dont usually talk to 23 yr old boys at all really let alone let them give me a hard time on b.s. when i'm trying to help someone out. I don't like it and I don't like you.. I don't doo little boys so be nice I'm trying. . you might learn something about being a better man when that time happens for you. i really am just going to write you off as a silly and ignorant loud mouth. you've said so many untrue things about me that I dn want to listen to it anymore.
if you think youu get a head ache, you try being me on the other end of you.
I just want to slip back into my own happy little study and workout world anyway if thats how it's gotto be so
peace. Wonder how I spent so much tiime studying and working out? .

Blooming tianshi lotus.

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

Your age is also not a "point scored in your favor", either. The fact that you even bring it up demonstrates a great deal to me because it is utterly irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

Well since you persist, before I leave it with you, allow me to tell you why it is and does. I'll even do it in point form for readers who might have trouble with following.

1. It means i 've trained and worked and studied longer than you have.
2. It means that having already had a self made 1/2 million on my annual income card - as a ( tee hee) model ( blush) , that the awwesome sex I was having before gets even better . We call it making a better ( / actual) prospect of yourself - better quality of life in general - self made financial independance booty points and done it alll alphaing on my my fucking owwn noo tittty or parental post name numbers thank you asshole aand just thaat much closer to a big line of professional academic creme de la professional salary bracket honour letters in it's place.
3. .. and doing it having already acheived world class fitness and with the plan in mind to set up to keeep doing that.. i also get world class boody.
4. As a buddhist i get to ease my mind that certain other lazy fucks who aren't doing their bit for the world, I have covered.
5. oh .. and I almost forgot, that with all that in mind, what a man ii'd be with or admire you wouldn't be close to.
6. My now billionaire uncle made hiis first self made million at 40 , is now retired ( unless he needs an excuse to be somewhere else) and having grown up knowing thaat and choosing not to take the teety, ii am that much closer to kicking his ass on it...should i get that far..

Hope that's enough for you to get the general idea. You can pretend you're me for a minute and masturbate if you like. . thanks for eliciting the response.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Why would you load the ankles with 5lbs weights and change the entire biomechanics of the movement?

If nothing else, loading a distal segment of the kinetic chain will lead to detrimental effects at the joint closest to it, in this case the knee, specifically to ligaments you probably don't want to stretch out. Probably not an issue with 1lbs ankle weights, but I don't imagine anyone would consider using such a small load.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Why would you load the ankles with 5lbs weights and change the entire biomechanics of the movement?

If nothing else, loading a distal segment of the kinetic chain will lead to detrimental effects at the joint closest to it, in this case the knee, specifically to ligaments you probably don't want to stretch out. Probably not an issue with 1lbs ankle weights, but I don't imagine anyone would consider using such a small load.

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

I understand the risks you're all talking about. I was probably quite dubious myself.. until as I said, I saw these velcro ankle weight cuffs being used successfully by a local 17 - 18 yr old basketball team using them in their training. ( lb ?) . I do think that it might've made a difference by what width they were and how tight and where they sat on the ankle to how safe and effective they really amounted to. At the time, i was trying on .. for probably the first time in that focussed capacity, training a new level of jumping skill myself for an olympic martial arts performance I was invited to join at Beijing, so it caught my eye and I liked it.
I have been doing fitness and health and nutrition courses since I was 17 besides highschool and my dad was an olympic qualifier in long distance running but didn't go. I have also been offered P.T. positions for the n.z. army and have P.T.'d and so on and trained myself fairly vivaciously for many long years now.. even though I'm still only 32. I have also reached higher levels of fitness and pound for pound speed and strength than I believe most ppl have or will ever. I am now working on reorganising my life to get back into uni in 5 weeks to complete a Masters of high performance science in lieu of bio-med med research into an M.B.B.Sc into surgery and in lieu of the nuero science or physics master I wouldn't mind taking in a parallel dimension . I have done that to facilitate being able to work out at a high performance level long into my life should I choose and because I believe in science of alll those fields. .and in lieu of so many other things I could have done with my life. . like continuing to dance and model and be a societal leech single mum doing not much of much..despite that offered me $520 000 + expenses and living for just a one yr overseas contract. I guess that would the buddhist in me.
I may write creatively as far as punctuation inflections go, and sometimes use out of school terms but the science is still there and I don't know how else to defend that.
If in doubt Bigsahm21, despite that it might be my own advice you're in doubt of, get a second opinion or google some sports med journals and investigate for yourself. It usually a good idea to dble check anything you might feel like relying on anyway.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

According to your profile, You are 23 Duncan. I am 32 and have just a litttle bit more of a broadened perspective and experience than yourself.

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Lotus you are 32, and I am 51. So according to your logic, I have an even broader perspective and experience then either yourself or Duncan.

Trust me. Your rambling makes very little sense.

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

Trust mee. Age is not the only factor and is not mutally occlusive of the exact things that make that experience worth it's practical relevance.
I don't care that boisterously ignorant ppl direct that at me. I don't care that certain ppl can't wrap their heads around everything it takes to create a picture of all those successes and therefore pedantically play up trite semantical grievances.
I won't take away a poor esteem so much as feel like I'm glad not to be that type of person that I'm seeing in the people acting like this... and I do see. .. all the way from heaven's view or from that they're spirits watching themselves if you like..

Speaking of hostilities though, Hell,.. i don't even knoww you or 've heard your name before even and you want me to feel bad because you've dribbled your two cent character and life appraisal of me??.. How's get a life sound? If youre only saying this stuff to attack me then I would probably suggest you might have something better you can do of your owwn passions and interests and save your keystrokes. I'm really not interested in aanything you have to say about that unless you can show mee where you're doing better in youur character and practicing knowledge and so forth. thanks anyway.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

Originally Posted by bigsahm21

I live in San Diego...Del Mar/Carmel Valley area.

Originally Posted by Blooming Lotus

Trust mee. Age is not the only factor and is not mutally occlusive of the exact things that make that experience worth it's practical relevance.
I don't care that boisterously ignorant ppl direct that at me. I don't care that certain ppl can't wrap their heads around everything it takes to create a picture of all those successes and therefore pedantically play up trite semantical grievances.
I won't take away a poor esteem so much as feel like I'm glad not to be that type of person that I'm seeing in the people acting like this... and I do see. .. all the way from heaven's view or from that they're spirits watching themselves if you like..

Speaking of hostilities though, Hell,.. i don't even knoww you or 've heard your name before even and you want me to feel bad because you've dribbled your two cent character and life appraisal of me??.. How's get a life sound? If youre only saying this stuff to attack me then I would probably suggest you might have something better you can do of your owwn passions and interests and save your keystrokes. I'm really not interested in aanything you have to say about that unless you can show mee where you're doing better in youur character and practicing knowledge and so forth. thanks anyway.

Blooming tianshi lotus.

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

i visit san diego every month. i'd be more than willing to meet with you and discuss whatever it is you want.