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Posted by: thegoodstuffguy

In MMA you can use any fighting style right? Kicks, punches, knees, elbows, headbutts - whatever?

The fights always seem to be decided on the ground though, which seems to suggest that 1 on 1, wrestling style fighting techniques trump all others?

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by thegoodstuffguy

In MMA you can use any fighting style right? Kicks, punches, knees, elbows, headbutts - whatever?

The fights always seem to be decided on the ground though, which seems to suggest that 1 on 1, wrestling style fighting techniques trump all others?

You are correct in your observation. Wrestling, Jiu Jitsu are a must to learn if you want to be champion.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Josh probably told on himself...save the ass whooping he was about to get handed to him.

Posted by: AKIRA

Fuck Affliction. And fuck Barnett. It sucks that we dont get to see Fedor fight, but IF it gets him closer to the UFC, so be it.

Lots of speculation saying he wont sign cuz of M1, but if there is any time for this it would be now. I really cant picture any better time.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

UFC wont sign for 1 fight deals...Fedor isn't down for that contracted deals where he has to fight anyone due to contract. My guess would be Fedor is not a huge spender and has more money now then he will ever need...so its not a money issue where he needs to obligate himself to get some cash.

Posted by: AKIRA

If now is not the time, it never will be.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

UFC wont sign for 1 fight deals...Fedor isn't down for that contracted deals where he has to fight anyone due to contract. My guess would be Fedor is not a huge spender and has more money now then he will ever need...so its not a money issue where he needs to obligate himself to get some cash.

Dana said "Fedor will fight in the UFC". I believe him.

Posted by: Richie1888

five ounces have an article saying he could be signed by the end of the week speculation though

espn got the deal in the uk was hoping one of the free channels might have got it

Posted by: Richie1888

anyone seen these video funny as hell

YouTube - Dana negotiates for Fedor (pt II)

Posted by: IainDaniel

Fedor is a pussy he won't be in the UFC.

Signed with Strikeforce, and from what I read Dana offered him the farm.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Keep in mind being paid by the state of russia Fedor may not be the only one saying yes or no here. My understanding is the asking deal included ownership of 50% of the company. That doesn't sound to me like something a fighter asks for. Russian government...sure!

I want to correct my statement its not exactly 50% ownership, but 50% of the promotion rights to the UFC....close enough.

Posted by: IainDaniel

M-1 his promoter is the big problem.

Posted by: AKIRA

Its pretty bad. Before this all happen, there was specualtion that all Fedor fights is cans. Or people who used to be good and are no longer. Cro Cop and Nog may have been his best challenges.

I dont put too much weight in that thought, but now that hes avoided UFC THIS much?

Posted by: CORUM

AKIRA you got to protect that record, avois anyone who may tarnish it!!!

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

AKIRA I really don't think this is Fedor not wanting to fight in the UFC. I think its the driving force behind him that is causing the problems. It seems very strange to me that before he was willing to fight UFC on a 1 fight contract but Dana said no. Now Dana wants to bring him in and his promoting company is asking for the world. My understanding is Russia writes this mans paycheck, and I am confident they are behind the current situation as well. Until I see Fedor make a statement I have no reason to believe he is nothing but a stand up guy.

Posted by: IainDaniel

YouTube Video

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

YouTube Video

Thats pretty cut and dry.

I keep hearin (and believing) that the UFC is the best MMA organization in the world, but do other countries say this? I mean, are there other organizations that are just as big out there and we dont know it cuz were here in N. America?

And dont fucking say M1.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Sure there may be big organizations in other parts of the world.

But I don't believe they have the same upper tier skill level as the UFC. Ever since Pride bit the bullet.

Posted by: CORUM

i think dana said it best "if he doesn't want to fight the best fuck him, im done"

i read somewhere that someone said no true fighter would fight for free to prove they are the best..... tell bj penn that!!! (im not a bj nut rider either) but that guy will fight ANYONE any time and it doesnt matter. they say he is the type of guy that you email him and say "hey bj i think i can whoop your ass" his response would be "whats your address" NOW THAT IS A FIGHTER!!! IMHO

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Well based on the youtube video above I can see his point. The previous offer was some sorta bullshit, and now Dana wants to cash in on the publics huge interest in seeing Fedor fight UFC. I think turning down this offer was nothing more then to spit in Dana's face for insulting him the first time. I think eventually you will see either UFC fighters leave to fight him, or they will renegotiate an offer. There is no doubt Fedor could very well be the best heavy in the MMA scene. The top UFC fighters will always have it in the back of their minds there might be somoene out there who is better, and imo they will seek that fight either in UFC, or outside of it.

Every UFC fighter to leave UFC and fight him have been destroyed. I agree this situation is annoying, but I get it...and so should the rest of you.

Posted by: CORUM

all the fighters that left UFC?? they left because UFC didn't want them.... they were wash outs!!!

Posted by: Doublebase

I saw this this morning. Thought about it all day. It really sucks. I wanted to see Fedor fight in the UFC now. It will take him at least 3 years to fulfill a 6 fight contract. He will be 35-36 then. Then if he fights in the UFC and gets beat people will say he wasn't in his prime. I put UFC at the top of the MMA organizations. If you are the HW champ of the UFC then you are the guy to beat. If you are the HW champ of Strikeforce, who gives a fuck. Obviously Strikeforce is trying to change that mentality. Right now that is the way it is. I will not consider Fedor the best HW until he beats the HW champ of the UFC. That is my opinion and I'm sure it is shared by others. Its just really sad. I don't think this is Fedor either. It is his sponsor. All though Fedor should be able to sway them. Fuck!

Posted by: AKIRA

There are other assholes out there that want to chant some sort of sneer at his next fight like "Fight Brock" and sorts.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Fedor Emelianenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go read about him and then tell me he is not an accomplished fighter, or he only fights washed up people. He has dominated every federation of MMA style fighting as well as other styles.

Without a doubt he is an elite in the sport of MMA. UFC is probably the most well known organization, but that isn't to say they have the best fighters. If someone loses 2-3 fights in UFC they are kicked to the curb and labeled a has been when not too long ago they were top dog. Is Rampage Jackson a has been? Is Rashad Evens on his way to being a has been? There is the "best in the world", and the "best of UFC". UFC is not the pro ranks of fighting and the rest are minor league. UFC fighters for the most part make shit, and I think majority of other places pay better.

Fedor may have signed with Strikeforce, but I would be shocked if that limited him to only fighting there. He doesn't roll like that, and I am sure if the price tag was large enough he could take a UFC fight. The issue still stands that Dana does not want to shell out a contract for 1 fight...he wants a commitment to what 5 or 6?

We will see Fedor in the UFC when Dana offers a 1 fight contract probably 10m+. Until then anyone that wants to prove to be better will have to seek him elsewhere.

I don't know why everyone is putting UFC as the place to fight if you want respect in MMA. Why don't UFC fighters fight in other federations to prove they are the best in the world? Oh I know why...its the long contracts Dana White dangles in front of broke fighters on the come up. It takes from from hungry new and growing, to their primes, and to their last fight in the UFC when someone else as taken their glory. Look at GSP for example. I don't know how many more fights he is contracted for, but he came hungry and lost a couple....he came into his prime....and he will fight UFC until someone comes along and takes his belt. He will lose a few fights and then he will be ready for some sub prime league right? UFC contracts pretty much suck, and obligate fighters to many fights.

Posted by: Doublebase

I believe the UFC has the more elite fighters in MMA.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Fedor Emelianenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go read about him and then tell me he is not an accomplished fighter, or he only fights washed up people. He has dominated every federation of MMA style fighting as well as other styles.

Without a doubt he is an elite in the sport of MMA. UFC is probably the most well known organization, but that isn't to say they have the best fighters. If someone loses 2-3 fights in UFC they are kicked to the curb and labeled a has been when not too long ago they were top dog. Is Rampage Jackson a has been? Is Rashad Evens on his way to being a has been? There is the "best in the world", and the "best of UFC". UFC is not the pro ranks of fighting and the rest are minor league. UFC fighters for the most part make shit, and I think majority of other places pay better.

Fedor may have signed with Strikeforce, but I would be shocked if that limited him to only fighting there. He doesn't roll like that, and I am sure if the price tag was large enough he could take a UFC fight. The issue still stands that Dana does not want to shell out a contract for 1 fight...he wants a commitment to what 5 or 6?

We will see Fedor in the UFC when Dana offers a 1 fight contract probably 10m+. Until then anyone that wants to prove to be better will have to seek him elsewhere.

I don't know why everyone is putting UFC as the place to fight if you want respect in MMA. Why don't UFC fighters fight in other federations to prove they are the best in the world? Oh I know why...its the long contracts Dana White dangles in front of broke fighters on the come up. It takes from from hungry new and growing, to their primes, and to their last fight in the UFC when someone else as taken their glory. Look at GSP for example. I don't know how many more fights he is contracted for, but he came hungry and lost a couple....he came into his prime....and he will fight UFC until someone comes along and takes his belt. He will lose a few fights and then he will be ready for some sub prime league right? UFC contracts pretty much suck, and obligate fighters to many fights.

You have to look at it from UFC's side. If they give Fedor a 1 fight contract, he wins the title, then bounces to another federation, how does it look having the UFC champ fighting for another organization? I honestly think if Fedor fights Lesnar, Fedor wins, and I think Dana thinks that as well, which is why he wants him sewed up for more fights. Everyone know this is the primary sticking point and nothing has changed on either side. From Fedor's end, he would be smart to take the fight soon, Brock will surpass him. Fedor has how many years of real fighting experience compared to Brock's 2. That has to take a toll on his body, even though he won all but one.

Posted by: CORUM

TROJAN, FEDORS LAST FIGHTS AGAINST ufc GUYS WERE WHO?? Arlovski, and big Tim..... Tim got ktfo by mercer (old ass guy) Arlovski lost to a nobody in rogers..... those guys are not in their UFC form. could they get back that way.... sure. but right now they look like has beens. im not impressed..... i just do not see it, they offer you 5 million a fight and the right to do whatever you want to come prove your the best (self proclaimed emporer) and you walk away??? obviously you may have some doubt in whether you truly are the best or not...... come on GUARENTEED 30 million!!!!!! looks like a dodger to me, thats making up excuses, just drop your managers and prove you are the best.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Dana White traps people into a UFC career as I mentioned before. I can totally side with Fedor for not wanting a multi fight contract. If Dana wants to prove who is the best he will sign for 1 fight at a time. I don't think Fedor as any reserves to fighting anyone in the UFC. Its Dana White he has an issue with.

Secondly Corum maybe you didn't go read wiki about him, but he is very accomplished in many ways as a professional fighter. To claim only UFC houses the best fighters in the world is foolish. I think you will see more fighters fighting open contracts in the future because other federations DO have elite fighters, and these folks are not sucked in by Dana White and his empire.

added after the fact is...UFC is what people know as the household name in MMA. You cannot compare UFC to anyone because they do not fight eachother. Only when people are "washed up" do they leave their previous federtions to seek another fighting career elsewhere....Until fighting between federations is allowed, where fighters can perform in their primes, then you can't count anyone out.

Posted by: AKIRA

Bottom line, he doesnt want to do it. If I was him, Id say fuck the contract ties, I have a new contract that will pay what I may owe. UFC has always been bigger than their competition (PRIDE may have been bigger in UFC's birth years), so it makes sense that the best would want to fight for the best.

In other words, proving that he "cant" is impossible." I have more reason to believe he doesnt WANT to sign and thats the bottom line.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I agree....he does want to sign....has nothing to do with not wanting to fight UFC...Dana is nothing more then a tick.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

OMG what the hell was that pathetic show Forrest put on? Then he runs all the way back to the locker room? That was either a set fight to give Anderson his big intro into the weight class, or .... or..... I want to hear what Forrest has to say. My only guess is he was so emarassed by his fight he didn't want to speak so he ran away.

Posted by: DesertFox

Forrest just got completely humiliated and he knew it right away so he just left. I was looking forward to Kenny Florian beating BJ but it didn't happen...sigh.

Posted by: AKIRA

Posted by: IainDaniel

HAHAHA that is classic.

Runnnn Forrest

Posted by: AKIRA

Am i the only one that thinks Silva looks like Seal without acne scars?

Posted by: IainDaniel

Yeah similar

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I don't think that is acne scars...yes they do look similar

Posted by: GreenLit

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Originally Posted by thegoodstuffguy

This is why Gracie/Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu is so popular.

Posted by: AKIRA

I Fucking Hate T K O s.

Gina shouldve went to the 2nd!!!!

Posted by: Doublebase

Fight Finder - Fedor "The Last Emperor" Emelianenko's Mixed Martial Arts Statistics
Here's everyone Fedor has fought. Impressive? Yes. Does it mean he is the best in the world? No. Fighting has changed tremendously in the past 5 years. I want to see Fedor fight some of the new HW's. Such as Brock, Mir, Couture, Kongo, Gonzaga. I know he has beaten Nog before but I would like to see that now. He could absolutely annihilate everyone I have listed but until I see him beat the HW champ, he is not the best in the world, in my eyes.

Also, check this documentary out. It was on HBO back in 2002. Really great insight into the beginnings of MMA. Lots of ROID use. Go figure.
Amazon.com: The Smashing Machine - The Life and Times of Extreme Fighter Mark Kerr: Mark Kerr, Mark Coleman, Dawn Staples, Bas Rutten, Eddie Goldman, Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, Igor Vovchanchyn, Stephen Schlueter, John Hyams, Frederico Lapenda, Gavi

Posted by: AKIRA

Umm..thanks.

Cyborg is juicing and there should be a 'Barnett' test. Strip her of her title and give it back. No men in Women MMA!

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Umm..thanks.

Cyborg is juicing and there should be a 'Barnett' test. Strip her of her title and give it back. No men in Women MMA!

Tru dat.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Nice post above with a history on Fedor. I think it goes without being said I am a huge fan, and believe 100% he is the best in the world. I hope Fedor and the UFC can agree on some terms to allow us the pleasure of seeing him fight Brock and some of the other top heavy weights. Once that happens I hope the non Fedor fans can become more supportive of this guy once he has proven himself agains the best UFC has to offer.

Posted by: AKIRA

Hard to do that now considering the dodge. I get the legality, but he didnt overcome it and that is what an "Emperor" wouldnt do.

Posted by: Doublebase

Chuck Liddell on the next season of dancing with the stars...What the.
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Posted by: Doublebase

Silva talks about training with Franklin. He seems like a really cool guy. He speaks very well about the sport.

YouTube Video

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Chuck Liddell on the next season of dancing with the stars...What the.
'Dancing With the Stars' Season 9 Cast Announced - Dancing with the Stars - AOL Television

Worst news for Liddell. Worst loss.

Posted by: Richie1888

maybe get santos one of these

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Posted by: AKIRA

What? WHAT?! Cro Cop, what the fuck man?

Posted by: AKIRA

By the way, note to referee, if Kampman is standing, its not a ko or even a tko.

Posted by: Richie1888

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

What? WHAT?! Cro Cop, what the fuck man?

doesnt look like he has the heart or the skill anymore.

Kampman looked out on his feet i thought the ref was right to step in it would only have got worse. that fight was my shock of the night

Posted by: AKIRA

Ive never agreed with stoppages with a fighter standing. Kamp was pissed about it afterward, which sealed the deal of disapproval for me.

Cant someone have a fucking chin nowadays?

Posted by: Richie1888

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Ive never agreed with stoppages with a fighter standing. Kamp was pissed about it afterward, which sealed the deal of disapproval for me.

Cant someone have a fucking chin nowadays?

inteligent defence

Posted by: AKIRA

Bah. Cabbage has zero defense, yet the fights go on longer cuz everyone knows he has a chin. There is really no way to discover that unless at least they go down.

Even in boxing when theyd call a tko when the fighters were standing its ridiculous to me. Not the defender's fault the attacker has NO KO power.

Posted by: Richie1888

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Bah. Cabbage has zero defense, yet the fights go on longer cuz everyone knows he has a chin. There is really no way to discover that unless at least they go down.

Even in boxing when theyd call a tko when the fighters were standing its ridiculous to me. Not the defender's fault the attacker has NO KO power.

still kampman looked out on his feet his hand we re barely up. the ref just stopped the inevitable

Posted by: Richie1888

on second thought maybe ur right but im undecided i think the ref did the right thing. if in doubt and all that

question now is who do u take between him and swick ?

i was shocked at this dont know if anyone else saw it

Quinton “Rampage” Jackson Retires : Five Ounces of Pain

Posted by: IainDaniel

I don't think he retired... Just quit the UFC

Posted by: Richie1888

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

I don't think he retired... Just quit the UFC

five ounces says he retired and so did his statement i think

Posted by: AKIRA

Im not gonna get too washed up on this. I believe hell be back. However if he doesnt, I cant say Ill miss the fun. I mean, I think he did the best among the PRIDE fighters, but he mostly boxed while he was there. No slams. However he is my favorite fighter beside GSP.

That being said, its a little difficult to watch TUF now.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Did you guys watch TUF? I missed last nights episode but saw the premiere. It is hard to root against Kimbo, he seems to be a pretty good team player from the previews of what's to come.

Posted by: AKIRA

I saw it and they set up a fight with him against Roy Nelson for next week.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Awesome, I hope he beats that tubby bitch, but I doubt it. Rampage is hilarious this year, did you see when they were picking teams and it was his first pick, he went, "Ti..., Kimbo Slice! Haha, Titties thought I was gonna pick him first." Sucks possibly losing him, would have loved to see that Rashad fight.

Posted by: Richie1888

no one see kimbos fight. had no clue what to do when it hit the deck

dana seems to be playing down the win looks like kimbo will definately fight on a ufc card

Posted by: yeksetm

Im Australia and we've only had the 1st two episodes and from the looks of it none of those big fuckers have any cardio! I felt embarrased watching that 6'7 dude fight. He got the guy down and then snoozed on top of him. i reckon Kimbo looks the fittest out of the lot. Sunday night episode 3 and im looking forward to seeing some gold teeth scattered around the floor. My 2cents!

Posted by: AKIRA

Kimbo's fight is yet another reason why I hate most TKOs.

Posted by: david100proof

Kimbo is such a big losser send him back to the streets

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Kimbo is a street fighter...doesn't belong in UFC...said it from the start...still feel strongly he will never hack it. Kimbo is large, strong, and youtube fights wanna be tough guy gang bangers for money... put him up against a real fighter and he looks like nothing more then a big pussy.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Kimbo is a street fighter...doesn't belong in UFC...said it from the start...still feel strongly he will never hack it. Kimbo is large, strong, and youtube fights wanna be tough guy gang bangers for money... put him up against a real fighter and he looks like nothing more then a big pussy.

I have more of a respect for Kimbo after watching him on TUF. He seems down to earth and eager to learn. Yes he is a street fighter but a lot of UFC figters were street fighters. He didn't look horrible against Roy Nelson but he def needs to work on his Jiu Jitsu and wrestling. He's getting up there in age but I think if he keeps training he could def be a good cage fighter.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by david100proof

Kimbo is such a big losser send him back to the streets

Posted by: yeksetm

Finally watched the Kimbo fight on UF10 and man he sucked. I knew his ground game was lacking but i didn't think it was that poor. He should go away and just concentrate on his wrestling/ JJ. His stand up is pretty good, keeps his head tucked and his hands high. But as stated in a previous post his age is a massive factor and I think his UFC window is almost closed. Dana White might let him fight for marketing reasons!

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I am not saying Kimbo can't improve. I am saying he has so much to improve on that he isn't likely going to hack it in the UFC. He can be the king of youtube street fights against wanna be hard ass thugs, but he is no where near the fighter he needs to be in order to have a prayer in UFC.

This isn't a stab at him...its just the facts.

Posted by: CORUM

anyone who thought kimbo had a chance in the UFC was blind, deaf, dumb, and needs to find a new sport!!! i remember everyone hyping him up, this fat ass idiot was saying he can beat any of your UFC pussies!!! DAMN FATASS where'd ya go???? i really hate that kid that thinks he knows everything!!!

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by CORUM

anyone who thought kimbo had a chance in the UFC was blind, deaf, dumb, and needs to find a new sport!!! i remember everyone hyping him up, this fat ass idiot was saying he can beat any of your UFC pussies!!! DAMN FATASS where'd ya go???? i really hate that kid that thinks he knows everything!!!

Everyone? I don't think anyone on here was saying anything of the sort.

Posted by: AKIRA

I put some thought into this..

Kimbo is a lot nicer than I thought he was, regardless of his look. In any case, I dont see him going to improve really. I mean, when will he? Hes kind of old. Not to mention, throughout his quest for such knowledge, well get sick of him losing. Its kind of predictable now. Hes got a puncher's chance, but so do most fighters.

I think he should try out for boxing.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Aside from looking like a troll Kimbo for sure seems nice and more real then I originally thought.

The whole Kimbo getting a second shot on the show is a joke and a half. I think he is a strong striker, but will most likely never be a UFC top fighter.

I am going to agree he would probably do MUCH MUCH better trying to fight pro in boxing. He has the power but his chin is still in question for me since a baby jab knocked him down.

Posted by: Richie1888

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Aside from looking like a troll Kimbo for sure seems nice and more real then I originally thought.

The whole Kimbo getting a second shot on the show is a joke and a half. I think he is a strong striker, but will most likely never be a UFC top fighter.

I am going to agree he would probably do MUCH MUCH better trying to fight pro in boxing. He has the power but his chin is still in question for me since a baby jab knocked him down.

houston vs kimbo has the potential to be a good fight

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by Richie1888

houston vs kimbo has the potential to be a good fight

There you go. There are some really good fighters in the UFC that have great stand up but little to no ground game. Stick him in there with some of those guys. With Kimbo, it's always entertaining.

Posted by: AKIRA

Another fighter you could say that doesnt belong is Clay Guida. Hes a brawler, but hes fun to watch every time. But..well, hell never be a champ.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Another fighter you could say that doesnt belong is Clay Guida. Hes a brawler, but hes fun to watch every time. But..well, hell never be a champ.

Yes but he is a big stepping stone for the welter weights. Kinda like a Keith Jardine for the LH's. Clay always puts on a great show.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Shogun got fucked .... what a bullshit set of judges... what fight were they watching?

Posted by: tallcall

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Shogun got fucked .... what a bullshit set of judges... what fight were they watching?

That's what I thought! I still love my boy Lyoto though and am glad he won (technically...kind of...in some strange way that I don't understand in the last round).

Maybe the judges just forgot which one was which (Lets be honest, they all look alike). Unanamous decision, insert random Brazilian name here.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Shogun didn't even look touched after 5 rounds...Lyota was lookin a little battered. There is no way he won that hands down....I don't even think he won any round the whole fight...its a crock of shit.

Posted by: AKIRA

Yeah it was an extreme let down and, well, a joke. Really, how can this be taken seriously? How did Bruce Buffer not question what he was going to announce?

Posted by: Richie1888

I just cant get how 3 judges saw it that way usually dodgy decisions are split.

im a hugh lyoto fan but everytime he tried to shoot away to the side shogun got him with a leg kick. lyoto landed some good shots but over the course he only managed to win the 3rd .

Posted by: Doublebase

I'm dieing to see this fight. I can't find it anywhere.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

you are not missing anything....but a huge let down!

Posted by: Richie1888

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

I'm dieing to see this fight. I can't find it anywhere.

on reflection im starting to come round to lyotos and the judges way of thinking it was a much closer fight than is being made out

Posted by: AKIRA

I watched it twice and its still Rua all the way.

One could argue that you cant win the championship with leg kicks. Yeah? Then how did Forrest win it? Not to mention Rua looked unmarked after the fight, yet Machida's legs, torso, and FACE were marked.

Really, whats it going to take????

By the way, Lesnar is out of 106. Hes got the sniffles. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by Richie1888

houston vs kimbo has the potential to be a good fight

I read on Sherdog.com that this is fight happening at the TUF finale.

Posted by: Richie1888

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

I read on Sherdog.com that this is fight happening at the TUF finale.

means he didnt get back in then or did and got beat again

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by Richie1888

means he didnt get back in then or did and got beat again

Means he didn't get back in I guess. He is just on the card fighting another UFC fighter.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Kimbo is lame-o

Posted by: Richie1888

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Means he didn't get back in I guess. He is just on the card fighting another UFC fighter.

was fairly safe to say he was getting to fight in the ufc regardless as even for a couple of fight hes a draw and Dana can watch him get wooped

odds that houston takes it to the ground anyone ?

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by Richie1888

was fairly safe to say he was getting to fight in the ufc regardless as even for a couple of fight hes a draw and Dana can watch him get wooped

odds that houston takes it to the ground anyone ?

He is probably getting paid more then 99% of the UFC fighters too.

Dana is probably offering a nice KO bonus to whoever wins. Who ever is fighting Kimbo would be expected to take him down. Houston is one tough mother and is completely capable of handle Kimbo on his feet. So with that said, I'm expecting an exciting fight.

Posted by: Doublebase

Don't forget about the Fedor vs Brett Rogers fight this Saturday. Its free on CBS I believe. No time to search it.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

looking forward to the Fedor fight...my only regret is not getting tickets to see it live.

Posted by: Richie1888

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

lol im sure we ve been here before expecting stand up and one fighter thinks he ll be smart and take it down.

that being said if they stay on the feet i very much expect houston to knock his block off. for all his failings on the ground he is a good striker .

i get the feeling dana went to the like of a alexander / irwin fight alike and probaly wasnt bothered who took the fight.

i hope we re not dissapoint with this bout. its turned into a guilty plessure for me im looking forward to it

Posted by: Richie1888

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Don't forget about the Fedor vs Brett Rogers fight this Saturday. Its free on CBS I believe. No time to search it.

Fedor by whatever he feel like or rodgers by KO ?

Posted by: KenEm

I predict a 99.9% chance of a relatively quick KO or submission by Fedor in round 1.

(The other 0.1% chance is a quick, shocking KO by Rogers in round 1. But I think Fedor is WAY too smart, and skilled, to let that happen. He's fought brawlers before.)

Posted by: AKIRA

Imagine if Rogers connects. What then? Is Rogers the next big thing? What does SF do then?

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by Richie1888

Fedor by whatever he feel like or rodgers by KO ?

Yes Brett Rogers is undefeated but can you name any fighters he has beaten other then Arlovski? I am more of a UFC fan so I don't know a lot of the fighters outside of it. I just don't think he has enough experience to beat Fedor. I'll say Fedor by triangle.

Posted by: Richie1888

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theres a punchers chance as always but really unless something freak happens it should be fedor for the win

ill play it safe and fedor by arm bar in the first

speaking of arm bars anybody catch big babys arm bar on tuf ? cant think of as better one ive seen

Posted by: Richie1888

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Imagine if Rogers connects. What then? Is Rogers the next big thing? What does SF do then?

for them i think its win win.

if fedor wins the american public get to see just why hes the best and he increases his profile in the states.

if he looses SF can say that they have the legend killer on their books and market rodgers accordingly. whilst they do that they can build fedor up for the rematch

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by Richie1888

speaking of arm bars anybody catch big babys arm bar on tuf ? cant think of as better one ive seen

I have it DVR'ed. Thanks for the spoiler

. Al though I can't tell from your post if Big Baby arm bared somebody or got arm bared. I'm assuming he arm bared the dude cause he said he was going to rip somebody's arm off.

Posted by: Richie1888

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I have it DVR'ed. Thanks for the spoiler

. Al though I can't tell from your post if Big Baby arm bared somebody or got arm bared. I'm assuming he arm bared the dude cause he said he was going to rip somebody's arm off.

sorry mate

ill not say who are barred who.

quarter final fights are announced aswell some good fights in there

i wanted to say something else about it but ill not till i know uve seen it

Posted by: AKIRA

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sorry mate

ill not say who are barred who.

quarter final fights are announced aswell some good fights in there

i wanted to say something else about it but ill not till i know uve seen it

No. There are NOT good fights in there. Unless you count, at most, 2.

Speaking of the above post about Rogers vs. Fedor. I disagree with you about Rogers winning. Remember what happened to Elite when Kimbo lost?

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Fedor will dominate the fight...he has a strong chin so I'm not worried about him getting knocked out. So the odds of that happening in my eyes are very slim.

How the cards fall will determine if Rogers gets KO'd or taps to a rear naked choke.

Posted by: AKIRA

I think its a joke, frankly. The only fight worth a damn is Miller vs. Shields. I love Mousasi, but his fight is a joke as well.

Either way, I guess I have to see this while I am out n about, but I dont know where.

Posted by: Doublebase

UFC making it a competition this Saturday. UFC 105 free on Spike.

UFC® 105 COUTURE vs VERA

Posted by: Doublebase

Check this card out. The top 3 fights are great. Ken Flo vs Guida.
UFC® 107 PENN vs SANCHEZ

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I think one of the fighters here for Saturday nights event was at my gym tonight. I don't know who since I don't follow much outside of the UFC aside from Fedor....but whoever it was was throwing some INSANE kicks on the bag. Just watching this man kick the bag made me realize I could never last in a ring because even one of those on my leg would have put me down. It was very impressive to say the least.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

I think one of the fighters here for Saturday nights event was at my gym tonight. I don't know who since I don't follow much outside of the UFC aside from Fedor....but whoever it was was throwing some INSANE kicks on the bag. Just watching this man kick the bag made me realize I could never last in a ring because even one of those on my leg would have put me down. It was very impressive to say the least.

I saw this guy kicking a column in this building and parts of the building were coming down from the ceiling when he would kick the column. He had a bald head except for a pony tail. Crazy.

Posted by: AKIRA

That was Mr Li from Kickboxer.

Posted by: Doublebase

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That was Mr Li from Kickboxer.

O! Maybe that's who it was. I also remember at this summer job I had. A guy could hammer a nail all the way through a 2 x 4 with one strike. It was amazing.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Yeah I was amazed how hard this guy was throwing kicks...I wouldn't want to even block one no less get hit by one. Again I cannot confirm he is fighting this weekend, but I wouldn't be surprised. It was very obvious he was not just an average joe hitting the bag for fun. Not to mention he was wearing trunks, gloves, and nothing on his feet but little slipper like deals.

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

O! Maybe that's who it was. I also remember at this summer job I had. A guy could hammer a nail all the way through a 2 x 4 with one strike. It was amazing.

Miagi has good eyes.

Posted by: Doublebase

Good fight. Fedor always seems to look like he is getting beat then justs land a huge shot and knock his opponents block off. That was a hell of a punch. Fedor is exciting to watch. Fedor was patient, emotionless and very calm during that fight. Brett did a good job the first round but seem to gas a little towards the end. The only thing about Fedor now is who is he going to fight next? And who really cares that much? I mean Brett Rogers was undefeated and is a good fighter but he's not in the same class as Fedor. Fedor needs to fight in the UFC. That's it.

Posted by: AKIRA

Overeem comes to mind. After that, yep, thats it.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Rogers was way out classed. He really had the power, but Fedor had for more skill, and maybe I am the only one that noticed but Fedor had zero problems manipulating Rogers body. There was a pretty serious size difference which leads me to believe Fedor could handle himself just fine with Brock. These big bulls get winded very quickly and then Fedor takes advantage. That hay maker at the end was insane...he almost fell on his face be put so much into that punch! I would have like to see a more humble Rogers rather then a guy claiming if he threw more punches the fight was his....talk is cheap. Fedor is a true sportsman.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Rogers was way out classed. He really had the power, but Fedor had for more skill, and maybe I am the only one that noticed but Fedor had zero problems manipulating Rogers body. There was a pretty serious size difference which leads me to believe Fedor could handle himself just fine with Brock. These big bulls get winded very quickly and then Fedor takes advantage. That hay maker at the end was insane...he almost fell on his face be put so much into that punch! I would have like to see a more humble Rogers rather then a guy claiming if he threw more punches the fight was his....talk is cheap. Fedor is a true sportsman.

Summarized very well. Agree 100%. Fedor must fight Brock.

Posted by: Doublebase

Free UFC on Spike tonight. First fight is really good so far.

Posted by: fufu

So I thought Vera won.

What about you guys?

I can see the argument for Randy, it was close when you judge the amount of control (pressing Vera against the cage doing little) he displayed.

Vera should have played it smarter and kept his distance better. I think he got tied up many times when it was just plain unnecessary.

Posted by: AKIRA

I didnt think he won. Randy had complete, boring control. It was a LOUSY fight and a SHITTY card. As far as the fight went, I dont know what Randy was thinking besides doing exactly whats needed to win a decision.

I did choose Randy to win a decision as I dont believe he has KO power nor does he submit often. I wouldve liked a TKO as it was the only thing I could see happening, but Vera just didnt do enough to win shit.

Posted by: Richie1888

just watch tuf there good fight what was madsen doing though in the first he stepped back into half guard twice for whatever reason.

i fancied brenden for that fight he seems quite good was stuffing take downs well

vera vs couture could actually have been argued for a draw. couture controlled till the end but when vera got him down and mounted i thought he had dont enough

Posted by: fufu

So, any watch WEC last night?

Posted by: AKIRA

Yeah it was about time I saw a damn knockout.

fufu, no I totally forgot and I already stumbled onto the news. Now I am going to go see how it was done.

Posted by: fufu

Karo Parisyan backs out of UFC 106; Gets a lifetime ban from the*promotion - MMA Mania

Posted by: fufu

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Yeah it was about time I saw a damn knockout.

fufu, no I totally forgot and I already stumbled onto the news. Now I am going to go see how it was done.

It was a good card, minus the Manny fight.

Posted by: AKIRA

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Karo Parisyan backs out of UFC 106; Gets a lifetime ban from the*promotion - MMA Mania

Hah! GOOD. Not only do I despise Karo, but I despise fighters backing out of fights these days. Fuck him. Good way to make an example.

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