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Originally Posted by ReproMan
Haha nice, talk about a small world. AKIRA grew up in Stuart also and A Black Guy is in Ft. Pierce.
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Originally Posted by Richie1888
anybody see scot smith doing rocky on cung lee ?
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Originally Posted by ReproMan
Yeah, that was a shocker to say the least. Forgot all about that.
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Originally Posted by Richie1888
he seems to specialize in comebacks. it was him against pete sell wasnt it that gets a rib broken/cracked sell runs in for the kill and he knocks him back to the stone age with a big right
how entertaining is cung lee to watch though he knocked him down something like 3 times in the first round. hes got no interest in ground work though lol |
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Originally Posted by ReproMan
Yeah, I just wonder how long he can sustain all these ass-kickings. He seems to be Strikeforce's go-to guy.
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Originally Posted by Richie1888
SF is good if they put on a couple of big cards but depth is always a problem.
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Originally Posted by ReproMan
He's right though. Jake is getting too big for his britches and is about as boring as they come. I can't wait to see Hendo knock him into next week.
They have made some pretty good pick-ups though. Mousasi is the real deal, King Mo was pretty damn impressive, Overeem is one of my favorites, Nick Diaz is nasty. They have a pretty decent lineup. Nothing that will allow them to run a big show each month, but with the Challengers series they are definitely on the right track. Especially with their DREAM partnership. It will be cool to see some fights in Japan that otherwise would have happened in California. |
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Originally Posted by Richie1888
im with you on that mate. im a ufc fan its what got me into mma but its great to see another promotion putting on really good fights that people want to see.
hard to believe mousasi is only 24. i think hendo could clean out most of them at that weight. the worry is a fight with shields could be another borring fight if it turns into a ground chess match. not that im against ground work it can be really interesting but his style seems to be not do anything special just stop the other guy doing anything. not sure hendo could do much against fedor, his fight with werdum might be interesting but fedor should have that one on the fight ud think. |
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Originally Posted by ReproMan
I think Hendo's fight vs. Palhares is a good indicator as to how a Hendo/Shields fight would go. Hendo stuffing every takedown attempt and punishing Shields for it. Actually Palhares slammed the crap out of Hendo one time which Jake won't come close to doing.
But of all the fights that are intriguing @ LHW outside of the UFC, I think this is the coolest prospect should it come to fruition: DREAM to Host Light Heavyweight Grand Prix This*May? - Bloody Elbow How cool would that be? |
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Originally Posted by Richie1888
sounds good im looking forward to more of gegard and everyone apart from the ufc loves a grand prix
Robert Drysdale Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Champion and Master Documentary | Other Videos | LowKick.com worth a watch if you ve got a spare half hour. some top level grappling |
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Event: UFC 108 Date: Saturday, Jan. 2, 2010, at 10 p.m. ET on pay-per-view (PPV) Location: MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada Main event: 205 lbs.: Rashad Evans (13-1-1) vs. Thiago Silva (14-1) Main card (Televised): 170 lbs.: Paul Daley (22-8-2) vs. Dustin Hazelett (12-4) 155 lbs.: Joe Lauzon (18-4) vs. Sam Stout (14-5-1) 155 lbs.: Duane Ludwig (19-9) vs. Jim Miller (15-2) 265 lbs.: Junior Dos Santos (9-1) vs. Gilbert Yvel (36-13-1) Under card (Spike TV broadcast): 170 lbs.: Martin Kampmann (15-3) vs. Jacob Volkmann (9-1) 155 lbs.: Cole Miller (15-4) vs. Dan Lauzon (12-2) Under card (May not be broadcast): 205 lbs.: Vladimir Matyushenko (23-4) vs. TBA 185 lbs.: Mark Munoz (6-1) vs. Ryan Jensen (15-4) 170 lbs.: Mike Pyle (18-6-1) vs. Jake Ellenberger (21-5) 155 lbs.: Rafael Oliveira (9-2) vs. John Gunderson (22-6) |
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Originally Posted by ReproMan
Pros Pick: Evans vs. Silva
Pros who picked Evans: 20 Pros who picked Silva: 9 Pros who could not decide: 2 |
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
I thought the Evans fight was boring. I felt bad that Silva didn't go toe to toe with him earlier in the fight. It was obvious in the 3rd round he was comfortable and exchanging with Evans very well....actually I think Rashad could have lost that fight if it went another round...or if Rashad didn't cover up after that huge punch that sent him to the floor.
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About time considering I was dead last on the previous card.
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
It was boring, but he fought a smart fight. I know youve probably heard this all before, so I will stop there.
A lot of people are not only giving Rashad shit for laying and praying, but theyre also saying hes gun shy from Lyoto. I dont care to believe either side. I wasnt that entertained until Silva fucked with him. Its sad to say that the showboating was the best part of the fight, but so be it. We deserved a rampage/rashad fight, since we didnt get it, ill take this instead. All in all, it was pretty good night of fights considering it was filled with replacements. And I was #1 in my fight camp and I didnt even bet on all the fights! About time considering I was dead last on the previous card. |
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
Like I stated I think if Silva opened up sooner and stopped allowing the take downs to happen he would have won the fight.
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
Rashad didn't fight his fight against Lyoto and that is why he looked pathetic in that fight. He looked very noob and the end result reflected that.
In the Silva fight Evans played it safe and even though he was able to make multiple takedowns he didnt capitalize on any of them....read that again because its very important. Even big Brock uses his wrestling skills to get you down and hold you there, but the key difference is he starts using that to deal out some serious damage. In Evans case he did nothing with it. I think after a few of these take downs they should stop awarding points for fruitless efforts. I know the coin can be flipped and say well Silva should have avoided the takedown...but on the flip side Silva is comfortable on the mat and I can only assume he was not expecting a clinch on the ground each time leaving his ground skills wasted. Like I stated I think if Silva opened up sooner and stopped allowing the take downs to happen he would have won the fight. |
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Originally Posted by johnSK
kimbo all the way!
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
No.
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Originally Posted by Richie1888
Exclusive: Kimbo Slice vs. Matt Mitrione in the works for UFC 113 in Montreal | Five Ounces of Pain
i predict some high level bjj on the cards |
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Originally Posted by Richie1888
it will be not too far off this
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Originally Posted by ReproMan
Hell yeah, nice vid! Here is it:
After watching Jacare vs. Lindland, I can't help but think he'd steamroll Maia in a cage and I'm a huge Maia fan. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
I guess the only thing I am going to respond about in tonight's recap is that I am ashamed of the Sonnen winning fight.
I have never been a fan of any blanket strategy and I wont start now. Taking a guy to the ground and holding him there for minutes til the bell rings is no champ, no fighter, no fucking way an entertainer. This is a guy who wants to wrestle and because of the rules, knows how to work it to his favor. "Well Nate couldnt defend the takedown attempts." Yeah, sure, I agree, but maybe he thought, fuck it, THE REFEREE WILL STAND US UP CUZ ILL MAKE SURE HE POSES NO THREAT. No sense, wishing for that. (God I miss Pride) Its a silly game plan, I know. I was yelling at the tv hoping Nate could hear me that i wanted him to try SOME sub attempts! But none surfaced. Maybe he was too slippery, didnt have enough knowledge, didnt think it could happen, but bottom line, I saw no progress in Sonnens game. All I saw was someone pitter pattering on someones face. Ah well! Now Middle Weight is at an all time enthusiastic stand still after the Silva/Vitor fight. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
I guess the only thing I am going to respond about in tonight's recap is that I am ashamed of the Sonnen winning fight.
I have never been a fan of any blanket strategy and I wont start now. Taking a guy to the ground and holding him there for minutes til the bell rings is no champ, no fighter, no fucking way an entertainer. This is a guy who wants to wrestle and because of the rules, knows how to work it to his favor. "Well Nate couldnt defend the takedown attempts." Yeah, sure, I agree, but maybe he thought, fuck it, THE REFEREE WILL STAND US UP CUZ ILL MAKE SURE HE POSES NO THREAT. No sense, wishing for that. (God I miss Pride) Its a silly game plan, I know. I was yelling at the tv hoping Nate could hear me that i wanted him to try SOME sub attempts! But none surfaced. Maybe he was too slippery, didnt have enough knowledge, didnt think it could happen, but bottom line, I saw no progress in Sonnens game. All I saw was someone pitter pattering on someones face. Ah well! Now Middle Weight is at an all time enthusiastic stand still after the Silva/Vitor fight. |
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Originally Posted by Vance
Despite the fact that a lot of people don't like Sonnen and a lot of people wanted to Nate to win you can't say that Sonnen layed and prayed his way to a decision at all. He didn't wrestle the way Rashad did against Thiago or Guida did in every fight he ever won.
What I saw from Sonnen was a clinical display of ground and pound and a lot of heart. Personally I think the style match up of Sonnen vs. Sylva (Assuming Sylva makes it past Belfort which is by no means guaranteed) presents a better fight than Nate Silva 2. I personally think that Sylva was going to hand Nate his ass again. Is Nate guilty of looking past Sonnen to Sylva? That is entirely possible, and if so then the fact that he got beat down is the risk you take when you don't take anyone seriously in the top flight of any division of the UFC. Regardless however; I agree that people who lay and pray their way to decision victories make for boring fights that suck the life out of a card, but even if you weren't to score the take-downs as heavily as they are currently Sonnen still whooped Nate's ass. He outstruck him, he outworked him and other than two sub attempts, a single elbow and a single knee Nate wasn't in the fight for anything more than 1 out of 15 minutes. Assuming Nate bounces back from this loss the best thing that can happen for him is for Sonnen to beat the winner of Belfort/Sylva as in all likelyhood (In the exception of a Machida/Shogun-esque decision) he will be the logical #1 challenger at that stage, and I think given what he learned on the weekend he will show up a different Nate. Plus he has 100% more of a chance to beat Sonnen in a rematch than he does Sylva, stylistically he doesn't pose too many threats to Sylva where as Sonnen does. Sonnen just better be working on his submission defense or else I see Sylva tapping him out. |
I thought the entire night blew. Too many decisions and lack luster fights. 2 were good, the rest were a bore.
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
The only time I got interested and from the roar of the crowd, I am not alone, was when Nate did his sub attempts or when they stood up. Wait, they did cheer for the cut too.
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Originally Posted by ReproMan
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
My audio isnt working? Then what am I hearing at 2:35, 2:33? I hear the crowd cheer for Chael @1:31-1:21 in the 1st Round.
Round 2, I hear the crowd cheer for the takedown..then hardly a peep until Nate elbows Chael from behind. This isnt the cut. And then crowd livens up again @ :40 when Nate gets up. Chael gets him back down, but guess what, hardly a reaction from the crowd. In round 3 I hear a dull roar from the crowd at Chaels first takedown. To me, thats a audience that has already seen this. Shit, Chael almost passes guard after Nate got up to be quickly taken down again @ 2:55 and the crowd hardly reacts. He even gets some hits in and they dont care. However at 2:00, Nate gets to his feet and they sure as shit wake up..they even verbally respond to Nates knee @ 1:54. But @ 1:50 the crowd does go wild at Nates sub attempt. When Chael gets out, the crowd I hear is a disappointed crowd. Like I said, it was a good escape. I know Joe was excited though, but I wont be swayed by commentators. It was close and exciting. Thank you Nate. Chael doesnt do much but is sweeped and Nate excites the crowd again from :56 on. Obviously, this is just a defense to the no audio pun. Nate couldve gotten on top and had been just as boring. The truth is, my audio does work and in between those notable time selections, I was just bored. Perhaps others were not. They need not more than what they got to be entertained. I do. I dont really follow FightMetric or any other predictors cuz they all said Serra would lose against St. Pierre. In any case does this one Silva-Leites mean anything? Sure, it means Silva won. Was it entertaining? No. But, I dont need that site to tell me that. |
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Originally Posted by Vance
Personally I thought it was clearly FOTN - albeit I feel that the rest of the card basically sucked balls. Not exactly Sanchez vs. Guida on the action stakes but definitely incomparible to the Silva Leites fight.
I understand the complaint about the way wrestlers fight negatively and why lay and pray sucks balls dude, I have said the same thing a number of times. After the Evans Thiago fight I didn't shut up about it for like 4 hours because ALL Rashad did was lay and pray for the entire fight. At two stages of over 2 minutes in that fight Rashad literally just lay on top of Thiago and the ref didn't stand them up FFS - see I'm still shitty about it. That said without Nate getting KTFO I don't see *how* Sonnen could've been more aggressive and active from the top than he was. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
There isnt much more to say on the basis on who thought it was exciting and who didnt. Its opinion.
I suppose I say this was a lay n pray because of the idea that even though Nate was being pummeled, he wasnt fading. I almost wouldnt say that cuz it showed in the 3rd round when he wobbled. Thankfully, biased Rogan saw it too. However, when Nate got on top, he looked energized. Buuuut you can say anyone wouldve been like that cuz it was finally a dominant position. I say Lay n Pray on this one because the only person really trying to finish the fight was Nate. The loser. Chael did continue his strikes, but every connected strike seemed at the same caliber. One didnt really stick out over the other. Good elbows sure, but Nate kept fighting. According to that "dominant" chart, more of the powerful strikes came from Nate. Nate was also the one who had submission numbers. These are what finish fights most of the time and thats what entertains me. Shit, Nate even cut Chael and that couldve been a show stopper. Though that wouldve been a cheap move if it was deliberate, but youre talking to a guy who also doesnt agree on half of the TKOs. I suppose I didnt give a shit about Chaels performance because it had no where to go. He literally laid on Nate and prayed that these strikes would suffice. His prayers were answered. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Nate didnt know how to get back up, I admit, but he did what he could there.
Ive been searching and searching for damage pics of Chael and Nate post fight but all Ive found were Chaels fucked up face. A fucked up face for a guy doing all the ground and pounding?! Yet Nate was the more boring one..? |
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That's Chael Sonnen after the fight. All bruised and battered, and as he said, "Relieved that it's over." Of course, "The Chael Sonnen fight" was supposed to be "The Nate Marquardt fight." Sonnen was a 5-to-1 underdog, and Marquardt was primed for a shot at the title. That's not how it played out. Sonnen said afterward he came into the fight, "Knowing I was going to get beat up." "I just had to make sure he got beat up worse," he said. And that's actually exactly what happened. As you can see, Sonnen got beat up, but Marquardt got beat up a little bit worse. It was an all-out war. Even ignorant fans like me could sense that something special was happening. Sonnen attacked right from the start, showing no fear of the favorite, and getting him on the ground almost immediately. The fans, most of whom cheered for Marquardt throughout the fight, were in shock. But Sonnen just kept attacking In the second round, in particular, Sonnen landed a number of punches that made you assume Marquardt was about to get knocked out. And an exhausted Marquardt, to his credit, kept hanging on. By the end of the second round, both fighters were exhausted and covered in each other's blood, and even though Sonnen was clearly winning, Marquardt's resolve left open the possibility of an upset in the third and final round. Anyone that endures the type of beating he did—and keeps fighting—can never be counted out. And Marquardt almost won it. At one point in the third round, the tables turned, and Sonnen got caught in a chokehold that very nearly had him unconscious. Here's how our MMA blog, Bloody Elbow, described it: "Chael shoots in and is caught in a deep choke. It's close to finished, Sonnen is turning purple..." And really, on the big screen, you could see his face turning purple, and everyone assumed it was over. And then at the last second, Sonnen got out of it, and survived the rest of the round. Bleeding, and nearly collapsing from exhaustion, the biggest underdog of the night mustered a modest celebration and mumbled his way through the interview. It feels weird to describe a bloody, vicious fight as beautiful, but it sort of was. The determination of both fighters was just unbelievable, and neither one ever quit. Not Marquardt when he was being repeatedly bludgeoned in the second, and not Sonnen, when he turned purple and probably should have passed out. Somehow, both men kept killing themselves, and it showed. Strange as it sounds, there's something beautiful about that. It was a fight I'll never forget. Something to tell my friends about. |
We got 3 pride fighters coming up and I am praying all 3 win.
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Someone has a hard on.
Look, I was bored. Youre not going to convince me that I shouldve been excited when I wasnt. I eagerly await the next disappointing fight. We got 3 pride fighters coming up and I am praying all 3 win. |
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Shortly after Vitor Belfort withdrew from his April UFC middleweight title bout against Anderson Silva due to an injury, Sherdog.com talked to the man himself. “I’ve already had the surgery on my left shoulder,” Belfort said. “Actually Lorenzo (Fertitta) was aware that I was feeling really bad pain in my shoulder for a long time. I’ve already had three injections since I was scheduled to fight Fedor, but lately the pain got really unbearable and my doctor decided to take an (MRI) and it showed chronic injury that was getting worse. My doctor, Michel Simoni, said that if I did not stop and do the surgery immediately, I was running serious risk of my shoulder going out of place. Also I was already losing the power of my left arm. How could I fight (without) my strongest hand?” Once the doctor said that the sooner Belfort had the surgery, the sooner he could return, the fighter notified Fertitta of his decision to do it. Belfort said the UFC co-owner supported his decision. “I’m feeling good, and according to the doctor, in four months I can start returning to training little by little. Now I have a long journey of work with physical therapy every day. I think before the end of the year, I’ll be back in the Octagon. No matter if it’s fighting for the belt or not, I’ll be back 100 percent.” Belfort is expected to post a video message on his Twitter account Friday that will explain his injury and recovery to his fans in English. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Is Maia for sure?
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Originally Posted by mrtom
Being 5-9, I would like to know what weight Matt Hughes cuts from to make 170 and what he benches. Gives me something to shoot for!!! Anyone know?
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
GSP/Hardy will be a good card. I'm def getting this fight.
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Originally Posted by MCx2
He probably walks @ 195-200 when not training for a fight. I'd imagine he's around 185 or so when he does his final water cut.
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
GSP/Hardy will be a good card. I'm def getting this fight.
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Originally Posted by mrtom
Being 5-9, I would like to know what weight Matt Hughes cuts from to make 170 and what he benches. Gives me something to shoot for!!! Anyone know?
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Originally Posted by kuso
is this a MMA thread or UFC thread? Not one mention of DREAM.13 with Maeda getting his face kicked off, Mo getting his right nut removed, MINOWAMAN underwhelming us with another awesome tap out of a massive opponent, Kikuno destroying Hironaka, Hansen dropping a weight class, Nakahara doing the same??
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
It's the MMA thread. As stated in the title. Thanks for posting
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Originally Posted by kuso
is this a MMA thread or UFC thread? Not one mention of DREAM.13 with Maeda getting his face kicked off, Mo getting his right nut removed, MINOWAMAN underwhelming us with another awesome tap out of a massive opponent, Kikuno destroying Hironaka, Hansen dropping a weight class, Nakahara doing the same??
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"What did that asshole say?" Yep, you heard it here folks. 
Back when BigDyl used to run rampart, there were endless amounts of arguments between PRIDE and UFC. As we all know, weve seen these 2 come together and what was the outcome, hm? Which fighters dominated the most? Truth be told, I route for PRIDE fighters more than UFC fighters just cuz I believe they are more 'exciting.' However, DREAM is here and well, it is pretty damn close to PRIDE, so I cant help to feel the same way for DREAM until they are tested. However, this time, Strikeforce is here to help with that testing.|
Originally Posted by kuso
is this a MMA thread or UFC thread? Not one mention of DREAM.13 with Maeda getting his face kicked off, Mo getting his right nut removed, MINOWAMAN underwhelming us with another awesome tap out of a massive opponent, Kikuno destroying Hironaka, Hansen dropping a weight class, Nakahara doing the same??
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Originally Posted by fufu
Thiago is out of his fight with Fitch for tomorrow with a brain artery abnormality. This sucks.
111 was looking like an amazing card with GSP v Hardy, Mir v Carwin and Alves v Fitch. Damn it! |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
If Ben is no longer fighting Jake, who is Jake fighting?
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
THANK YOU sweet Jesus.... To see that cock SOB Mir get his ass knocked out made my night.... And I already knew GSP was in a class of his own so that fight was expected...sad to not see a knock out but none the less a great fight....BUT THAT MIR FIGHT>...
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Originally Posted by kuso
GSP vs. Hardy was an awesome fight.
Ricardo Almeida vs. Matt Brown and Nate Diaz vs. Rory Markham were also enjoyable matches to watch. The rest was a bit of a wank IMHO. Frank Mir has always been the same. When he gets lucky, his fans are all over his nuts but stringing luck together isn't easy. |
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Originally Posted by Robert
agreed, I cannot stand Mir and I was glad to see the quick knockout, although it would have been fun to see Brock beat the shit out of him again.
the GSP fight was entertaining, Hardy is one tuff motherfucker! I have never seen anyone pull out of submission holds the way he did, amazing, I want to see a re-match with those two. Hardy needs to work on that take down defense, if he could have stayed on his feet more I think he might have had a chance of knocking GSP out. overall I felt like I got my $50 worth last night. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
I am indifferent about Mir. I like him, but he just didnt expect the dirty boxing. He waited too long and paid the price. I like Carwin as well, so you know who I want to win the next fight. Sadly for Mir, he will be passed over by Dos Santos, Cain, maybe even Nog before he gets in with Brock again.
GSP did what he normally does. In other forums they are talking about how boring he was. I dont get that, he tried to finish it twice and Hardy sucked it up like a champ himself. You want to talk about boring? See Fitch. |
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Originally Posted by fufu
You MMA fans better be watching this event on Spike, it's off to a great start.
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
Anybody watch the fights last night? I didn't get to see but I heard Edgar beat Penn and Silva made his opponent look like newb.
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Originally Posted by fufu
Silva's fight...you just have to watch it.
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Originally Posted by kuso
Seriously? I'd recommend against seeing it if you have any respect for the man at all.
I have watched hundreds if not thousands of cards. This time I stayed up until 5:30am when this one finished. I have to admit, it is the first time ever I have actually been pissed off after watching an event. |
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Originally Posted by fufu
I was very pissed off by the end as well. I wanted to leave after the 4th round was over (looks like Dana did the same). I thought Anderson disrespected the sports and the fans.
He stomped around and taunted a much lesser striker for almost 2 whole rounds without actually defeating him. He then continued to taunt, but this time while back pedaling. It's easy to taunt a guy who has almost no chance of beating you on the feet. It would be different if he were to taunt a very well versed striker like Machida or Rua. It's like an adult taunting a child. |
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Originally Posted by fufu
True, you didn't see Maia taunting Silva for not going to the ground. It's MMA, the ground work is just as substantial as the stand up.
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Portuguese-language MMA forums have been abuzz with discussion over the insults Silva levelled at Maia at points in the fight. The end of the second round is when he is said to have been most offensive, allegedly telling Maia "Bate na minha cara playboy" (“Come on, hit me in the face playboy.") Odd as it sounds, ‘playboy’ is a serious insult in Brazil when levelled at certain targets. The stark class and economic divides in Brazil make for a wide gulf in status between the rich and poor. In Brazilian terms, a playboy is a hedonist rich kid, the product of a pampered upbringing who cares little for the poor and knows nothing of real life. Anderson is also said to have cried out "Cade o Jiu-Jitsu?" ("Where is your Jiu-Jitsu?”) as Maia failed to get him to the floor, and also told him “Get up off your ass and get hit some more” when Maia dropped to his back looking to play guard. According to the general tone on the major Brazilian MMA forums right now, Anderson has surprised and upset many of his fans with his comments. Maia told Fighters Only yesterday that Anderson had sworn at him during the fight but declined to go into detail about what was said. So far this particular backlash has been confined to Brazilian fans but a poster named Gomes on Portal do Vale Tudo summed the feeling up: “Wow, the guy went mad. American are usually super socially-conscious with this kind of discrimination, when they discover what he said, heads will fly. This guy has lost all notion of what you can do in a fight. This type of social/personal insult is the equivalent of ‘Iron’ Mike Tyson saying "I'll fuck until you love me, bitch!" |
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
I don't think Silva is low class for keeping it upright. I think it was obvious the other guy wanted it to go to the ground and Silva was not going to entertain that. I did however lose a lot of respect for him. He toyed with this guy so much it got to be too much, and then to top it off he ran down the clock and made no attempt to finish him. If he fights that like GSP will dominate him.
THRILLED that Penn lost his title to the underdog. I do not like Penn and he finally lost a match at his weight, and was taken to the ground twice. Kudos to whatever his name was who beat him! (sad he lost to someone I don't even remember) I've always liked Matt Huges and it was a great fight between two champions. He looked good. It was weird when he helped the guy up off the ground mid round, but I guess the fight was more for fun then to prove a point. |
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Originally Posted by fufu
GSP vs Silva at 170, who takes it if it happens?
If I had to pick, I'd go with GSP. It's a very tough match up but I see GSP using his wrestling and impeccable game planning to control Silva. However, I would not be surprised at all if Silva wins with seemingly ease if GSP can't get the rhythm he wants. Silva has great sprawls and is very quick, but GSP has shown he has near perfect takedown technique. Guys know he will shoot, but they can't spot him, even the NCAA champions. |
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
Have they talked about that? I thought the plan was GSP to move up to 185.
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Originally Posted by jcar1016
He dosent deserve a shot at GSP. GSP is in my opinion the best pound for pound fighter in the game. I think GSP would dominate Silva. Not to say that if GSP didnt play it cool he couldnt catch one and go to sleep. Silva has knockout power for sure. And yeah I know Silva a BJJ black belt but I really dont think he deserves it Im pretty sure in Brazil you get a black belt in BJJ on your 7th b-day anyway LOL. Also why does silva want to move to HW? He hasnt fought a decent striker at LHW. Put him in with Machida or Rua and he'd get stomped.
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
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Originally Posted by jcar1016
Just curious on your guys thoughts on Dana giving in to Kimbo and allowing him to fight in the UFC? Also any thoughts on how Renzo will preform in UFC also think he has what it takes?
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Originally Posted by fufu
What a shit card. 3 five round decisions.
King Mo really impressed me, though. Gilbert neutralized Aoki perfectly. I've always loved Aoki, but he really is one-dimensional. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Agreed, well mostly. I thought King Mo SUCKED.
He did some impressive takedowns...to a champ who didnt know HOW to defend it? What the fuck, what, I dont know. I am very surprised that Gegard wasnt all that impressive whatsoever. Wouldnt surprise me if it was rigged. I cant put my finger on it, but it was very disappointing. As far as Aoki went, eh. He looked too damn 1 dimensional. I really wanted to see him do some crazy shit, but Gilbert was pretty smart by using the cage. Question: Does this mean Gilbert is the champ of Dream now? Hendersons fight? Jesus. I actually left the Ale House in the 5th round. I havent walked out of a fight in a long time. BUT! I did miss the best thing of the night. Mayhem and the brawl! I watched it this morning and I couldnt help but laugh my ass off. I dont think Myahem really did anything wrong, per say. I mean, you can say he was disrespectful in interrupting Shields post fight interview, but I dont think he started the brawl. No, Id say he certainly didnt. Nick Diaz acted like a fucking jerkoff after it. God damn, I hate idiots like this. I wonder if Dana was grinning ear to ear with this event. I was for sure this card would be exciting. After UFC had such a dull recent card, SF couldnt really do much worse. Well, Id say it was just as exciting/dull as the last UFC. Now, you got dull ratings (I can post them if you want) on CBS with a wonderful thug brawl to boot. Not to mention, the dumbass commentator sounding like a crybaby bitch during the whole thing. I hope SF takes a punch for this OR whomever started the fight gets punished. |
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Originally Posted by kuso
paul daley cut from UFC "forever"
Seems Kimbo has been cut too. HEadliner finally set things straight |
. Koschek is such a boring fighter. Now we have to watch him get his ass handed to him by GSP. On the other hand, I think he will be a decent coach on TUF. He is a damn good wrestler. He can neutrilize anyone for 15mins. |
Originally Posted by fufu
Really happy for Shogun.
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Alan Belcher was kind of a toss up for me. I gave Cote the nod, but it was really a 50 50 shot. Exciting fight nonetheless. Ok, now, this upcoming TUF. Though I like the fact GSP is a coach, who the FUCK is gonna want to be on the other team?! Now that we know its Kos, really, would you be happy if you got on his team? My other beef with GSP being on there is cuz shes now shelved for almost a year. I dont think any current champ should host a show, regardless of his talent. Ill still watch it but I expect a landslide. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Ok, now, this upcoming TUF. Though I like the fact GSP is a coach, who the FUCK is gonna want to be on the other team?! Now that we know its Kos, really, would you be happy if you got on his team? My other beef with GSP being on there is cuz shes now shelved for almost a year. I dont think any current champ should host a show, regardless of his talent. Ill still watch it but I expect a landslide. |
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Originally Posted by fufu
I gotta say Dana is going to pull me into watching TUF for the first time in a while.
The show is super lame, but with a guy like GSP coaching I'm definitely going to be watching it more. However, I would rather see GSP fight again sooner than have him serve his tenure on the show. He only fights about twice a year anyway. |
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
Why do you think the show is lame? I have watched almost every season. It's great. You get to see the guys train then fight. Someone of the house stuff is gay but still a good show IMO. Or maybe you aren't a fan of reality tv in general.
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
Why do you think the show is lame? I have watched almost every season. It's great. You get to see the guys train then fight. Someone of the house stuff is gay but still a good show IMO. Or maybe you aren't a fan of reality tv in general.
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Originally Posted by MCx2
And in regards to Canadians being shitty fans? They are hands down the best fans the UFC has ever seen. They are more knowledgeable and more dedicated than any fans involved in MMA.
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Originally Posted by kuso
Odd. It seems everyone involved says it is the Australian fans that were by far the best ever.
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Originally Posted by kuso
Odd. It seems everyone involved says it is the Australian fans that were by far the best ever.
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Originally Posted by MCx2
Who is "everyone"?
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Originally Posted by MCx2
or even recognize them as mainstream athletes for that matter, maybe I'll start listening to "everyone".
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Originally Posted by kuso
Dana, Rogan and Goldie to start with.
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Originally Posted by MCx2
LOL!! Yeah, none of them are known to embellish anything...
For someone that claims to know as much about MMA as you do, I'm surprised you'd actually quote Dana, Rogan and Goldie and expect to be taken seriously. |
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Originally Posted by fufu
Rogan usually gives things pretty straight.
Goldie and Dana on the hand... |
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Originally Posted by jcar1016
Yeah why the crack on Rogan I like Rogan hes by far no expert but he knows enuff to at least by intelligent with his commentary. Have you ever listened to the old Pride commentary? Bas Ruten was pretty damn dull bro "ohh dat der hurt" "ohh look der he gonna feel dat one" ect...
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Originally Posted by jcar1016
Yeah why the crack on Rogan I like Rogan hes by far no expert but he knows enuff to at least by intelligent with his commentary. Have you ever listened to the old Pride commentary? Bas Ruten was pretty damn dull bro "ohh dat der hurt" "ohh look der he gonna feel dat one" ect...
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Originally Posted by MCx2
That's not a crack on Joe at all and Rogan is without a doubt an expert. He's extremely intelligent and probably the best MMA analyst there is, but that doesn't mean he doesn't embellish things and exaggerate ALL THE TIME. Everyone is a world-class wrestler or a K1 level striker or the hardest worker in MMA, blah, blah, blah.
My point was that anything those 3 have to say about the UFC and its fans, you have to take with a grain of salt because after all, they work for the UFC. It's not like they are ESPN's crew that is paid to call things right down the middle regardless of the outcome. Bullshit comes out of all of their mouths on a regular basis, doesn't mean I don't like them - I'm just calling it as it is. |
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Originally Posted by MCx2
For someone that claims to know as much about MMA as you do, I'm surprised you'd actually quote Dana, Rogan and Goldie and expect to be taken seriously.
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Originally Posted by kuso
Seems someone has a chip on their shoulder.
You know UFC 110 was the second fastests sold out event in the orgs 16 year history? And that is without any "GSP" on the card. But then you seem quite confused between the "fans" from a country, and its' fighters. Tell me, in your clear depth on knowledge on the sport, who should the Australian's be naming "athlete of the year" at this stage? So because there are no champions coming out of the country, the fans are worse than Canada? Hate him or not, Dana makes more fucking sense than you do. |
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Originally Posted by DOMS
Why were the Canadians booing Josh?
One thing that I've noticed is that fan outside the US just seem to love to boo a lot. |
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Originally Posted by DOMS
Why were the Canadians booing Josh?
One thing that I've noticed is that fan outside the US just seem to love to boo a lot. |
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Originally Posted by MCx2
I'm not making sense? LOL!! I guess I'll repeat myself since you couldn't comprehend it the first go...
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Originally Posted by MCx2
I don't give a flying fuck who Australia votes for as Athlete of the Year, but since it's not a Mixed Martial Artist we can safely say Canadian fans > Australian fans.
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Originally Posted by MCx2
Canada is light years ahead of most countries when it comes to MMA being mainstream
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Originally Posted by MCx2
Yes, the Australian fans were good and knowledgeable and it was the 2nd fastest sellout in UFC history (2nd to: you guessed it, Vancouver, Canada without any "GSP" on the card) but that was one single event.
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I am just messin with ya!
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
"..and rather sensitive" says the guy with this loooong reply.
I am just messin with ya! |
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Originally Posted by fufu
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Originally Posted by jcar1016
ok so now that yall have blown your load lets move on. I love the sport and as such dont really give a damn what others think about it. So prdictions for Jackson vs Evans?
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Jackson. Although I do buy a bit about Evans comments saying Rampage is slow. His defense is pretty good though. If you dont include leg kicks.
However, Jackson winning would be awesome. I want to see him fight Machida OR have a rematch with Shogun. |
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Originally Posted by kuso
I think Evens has the better technical stand up, but Jackson can take a shot. I certainly hope Jackson wins as it offers the better future fights (against Ryoto and Shogun).
A rematch with Shogun in the cage would be somewhat nostalgic. |
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Originally Posted by jcar1016
Quintin just has that raw explosive power not many guys have and its won him more than a few fights against technically better fighters
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Originally Posted by fufu
Like who?
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Originally Posted by jcar1016
Henderson, Liddel, Silva,Arona,Ishikawa all these gus are more "technical fighters in many respects. Even tho henderson is a better wrestler Jackson out wrestled him. Silva and Liddel's striking are on a whole other level compard to his an they both got knocked out. Arona's Jui Jitsu was far far supior to Jacksons submission skills and well I'm sure I dont need to tell you what happened there. He just has that X factor that raw power bro thats why hes always in contention regardless of his opponants skills.
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Originally Posted by fufu
I agree with 75% of this.
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Originally Posted by jcar1016
Silva and Liddel's striking are on a whole other level
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Originally Posted by kuso
I don't agree with this myself. While both deserved legends of the sport, they built up a lot of their wins striking against significantly inferior strikers/wrestlers/bjjers. Neither have anything like technical striking.
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
I was gonna say, Wandy as a technical striker?
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Originally Posted by jcar1016
Sorry bro but one strike knockout power from any standing position does in fact put your striking on another level
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Originally Posted by davegmb
Who wins out of Franklin v Liddell? im going with Rich as not sure how long it was since Liddell had a fight............like them both though and know they will both come out swinging. Rather watch that fight then another anderson silva bore zzzzzzzzz
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