I won't use it yet. Maybe in another year or so. I never use new OS's as soon as they come out. Too many bugs.

Vista blows goats for quarters. I can't stand what they did to windows explorer. I rarely ever use icons, and would rather use the command line or just hunt the files down in windows explorer. But they changed the way it works and looks. The interface sucks balls now. Also, none of our emails from our xp hardrive can be imported into windows mail, which is basically just a shittier version of outlook, if you could even imagine them fucking up outlook worse than it already was. I can't import our business contacts or old emails. The OS is unstable and locks up when doing the just about anything.

I have constant print problems with vista where I will try to print a webpage, but it cuts off random paragraphs in both IE and FF.

I hate microsoft. I wish they would have just added some new capabilities into XP and sold it as an upgrade rather than making everything look new by moving shit around to where you can't find it. It took me almost 20 minutes to fucking print a document in office 2007. Oh yeah, office 2007 licks nuts, too.

The only reason I am using it is because I have to troubleshoot it for my jobs, so I better jump in head first to get a feel for it.

well, get used to it because XP will be yesterday's OS just like 95/98 and 2000.

Or Vista will be like ME

Or Vista will be like ME

Yeah Vista is the future. Just like XP was the future during the W2000/W98 era, but it's not the here and now. At the moment vista does blow donkeys for quarters and is completely unnecessary. XP is much more stable than it was back when Vista was announced as the next big OS from MS. A year or two from now it will be even better. I'll change over when MS and everyone involved gets all the bugs worked out ... if they ever can. There's a lot of software out there that will never run on vista.

It's more like the Windows Really Good Edition.

I won't upgrade unless they offer actual usability - I don't give a shit about eye candy. Hell on all of my XP installs I turn it back to Windows Classic Mode, turn off all of the unneccessary services, and turn all those stupid graphic effects off.

Speed, response, and stability > eye candy

Hell the only reason I'm not using Linux fully is because game support for linux is still meh. Yes I know about wine and cedega, but I prefer to run them native.

I won't upgrade unless they offer actual usability - I don't give a shit about eye candy. Hell on all of my XP installs I turn it back to Windows Classic Mode, turn off all of the unneccessary services, and turn all those stupid graphic effects off.

Speed, response, and stability > eye candy

Hell the only reason I'm not using Linux fully is because game support for linux is still meh. Yes I know about wine and cedega, but I prefer to run them native.

I hated Vista at first, but am loving it now. The search features are incredibly fast and a lot of the initial bugs have been fixed. I still have problems occassionally (random crashes) but nothing big since my computer can handle it. The incompatibility issues for programs is the only thing that still pisses me off about it. But overall, Vista is very cool and Windows has been long overdue for a big update. Still trying to get used to the new Office though.

I dont remember EVER hearing about a piece of software being so horrible until Vista came out. Ever.

Crashes are the worst bugs a computer can have. One is too many.


I dont remember EVER hearing about a piece of software being so horrible until Vista came out. Ever.

Crashes are the worst bugs a computer can have. One is too many.

I have not had Vista crash yet on either my laptop or desktop.

So...you haven't turned them on yet?

I spent the weekend doing a complete migration of all data and programs from my old XP machine to my new Vista machine, not a single problem except for one program I use that has not been made "Vista compatible" yet, I got around that pretty easily by installing Windows Virtual PC, and loading up XP in it, works perfect.

Side note: both my new laptop and desktop came with Vista pre-loaded, so this may have something to do with not having any issues or crashes, whereas an older machine that was "made for XP" may not be 100% compatible with Vista, i.e. device drivers.

I am running both of them on only 1gig of RAM and they run very fast, I did switch them both to "performance mode" so they basically look and act like XP.

Crashes are the worst bugs a computer can have. One is too many.

Ive had XP the whole time Ive had my Dell and I dont remember any time it crashed. Programs have crashed and Windows saves me from them...but Windows itself crashing? Uh uh.

Yeah thats about right.

I just find that really hard to believe. Pre-SP1, XP sucked ass and it had more problems than I recall any Client OS ever having.

Vista was built on TOP of XP, it was not built from the ground up. So if you don't think it sucks you know nothing about computers.

Not possible. XP hasn't been out that long. You said you've had your pc for 6-7 years

As much as I love the industry I'm in there are too many people who think they know everything in it.

Vista was built on TOP of XP, it was not built from the ground up. So if you don't think it sucks you know nothing about computers.

Wow.. It's not nearly as bad as you make it sound. I dunno.. lot of hatin' going on that seems misplaced.

Vista was built on TOP of XP, it was not built from the ground up. So if you don't think it sucks you know nothing about computers.

You are a moron. Please stop posting.

I am a computer science person. I have used Microsoft products for over 15 years. I have used every Microsoft OS since dos 5.0. I know computers like the back of my hand, so I can tell you with 100% certainty that Vista is a total piece of shit.

I am a computer science person. I have used Microsoft products for over 15 years. I have used every Microsoft OS since dos 5.0. I know computers like the back of my hand, so I can tell you with 100% certainty that Vista is a total piece of shit.

what do you do for a living?

I restore antiques and deliver furniture for an antique dealer 5 days a week, and I am building an online inventory database system and website for a client to sell his collection of rare books the other 2 days of the week.

Lawl, I don't know how that happened.

I restore antiques and deliver furniture for an antique dealer 5 days a week, and I am building an online inventory database system and website for a client to sell his collection of rare books.

ok, but that does not make you an industry professional, I have been working in IT for almost 12 years now, currently I am an IT consultant specializing in small business networks.

I've been at it for about a decade. So far, none of my clients, or the clients of people that I know in the field, want anything to do with Vista.

Well all agree that Vista isn't that buggy, but it brings nothing to the table for businesses.

ok, but that does not make you an industry professional, I have been working in IT for almost 12 years now, currently I am an IT consultant specializing in small business networks.

I've been at it for about a decade. So far, none of my clients, or the clients of people that I know in the field, want anything to do with Vista.

Well all agree that Vista isn't that buggy, but it brings nothing to the table for businesses.

agreed, I would not advise a client to go to Vista at this point.

as I said the main reason I am using it because it came pre-loaded on my new machines, and I figure I will need to know it in the near future.

I just disagree that it is a bad OS, I have had zero problems except one incompatibility with a program I use, but it's not a mainstream application.

I've been at it for about a decade. So far, none of my clients, or the clients of people that I know in the field, want anything to do with Vista.

Well all agree that Vista isn't that buggy, but it brings nothing to the table for businesses.

Quick off topic question:

It's understandable if you don't want to answer this, but I figured I'd ask. From your experience, how much would a good IT consultant make per year on average, and what kind of things would you recommend to know for going into small business consulting? I'm definitely going into network administration or network consultation, I'm just not entirely deadset on where to go yet.

Also, how much of a value do your customers place on certs like the CCNA, CCSP, CCNP, etc...?

the majority of small businesses have a Windows network, so you should know Windows server admin as well.

ok, but that does not make you an industry professional, I have been working in IT for almost 12 years now, currently I am an IT consultant specializing in small business networks.

You probably know more than me. You have created the coolest website on earth. I have nothing but respect for your abilities, but don't talk down to me just because I haven't been in the industry long. You can't possibly know how much or how little I know.

YO do have an edumacation the details of which are conspicuously lacking in your credits ...

You probably know more than me. You have created the coolest website on earth. I have nothing but respect for your abilities, but don't talk down to me just because I haven't been in the industry long. You can't possibly know how much or how little I know.

I did not mean for it to come across like I was talking down to you, you seem to have a lot of computer knowledge.

What?

I meant your college studies. You told Rob about what you do at work, but left out what you are doing in school. It is relevant.

I somewhat agree with you. I have my computer science degree, but I've learned 95% of what I know outside of the classroom.

Don't get me wrong, I like having my degree... but I think it really only gets you the job. You have to be smart enough to keep it. My brother-in-law never went to college & he's a very successful programmer.