saw this on ESPN.. whos the most dominant in their sport? I myself found myself torn between tiger woods, lenox lewis, and shaquille o'neal, but i went for tiger
Posted by: john992
This is of present time?
Posted by: john992
whoops, just seen the poll thats weird didnt show up the first time...
Posted by: john992
Well its unfair to really choose one, as the competition can vary from sport to sport and era to era and day to day...but if you simply pick who wins the most by percentage of matches they play you have to pick Tiger Woods...having said that I believe Wayne Gretzky is the most dominant athelte of all-time!
Posted by: john992
I guess Lennox Lewis has a Good percentage going as well, but he only fights 1-3 times a year, but that is the norm in his sport. Can I change my vote to Lennox Lewis?
Posted by: TriZZle305
true... i just copied ESPN's poll but you have a valid point.. if it was of all time wayne gretsky and michael jordan among others definately should have been on there.. maybe someone should make an "of all time" poll
Posted by: TriZZle305
i dont know if you can change votes.. i guess you gotta ask a mod?
Posted by: john992
I just thought of another point some of these athletes are playing singular sports while others are playing team sports. These are my thoughts: If you are playing a singular sport you only have to count on yourself to produce, while playing team sports you have to count on your teammates as well.
Eg., if golf was Barry Bonds sport he wouldnt have to count on his teammates to help him win, it would be his skill and his skill only that got him the wins
Posted by: TriZZle305
lol then maybe you should write for ESPN
Posted by: john992
Each sport also varies in stats taken. Heres another valid point for Gretzky being the most dominant of his sport: Gretzky attained over 60 records while playing in the NHL, the second best in professional sports I believe is 30?(Michael Jordan). So Gretzky annihilated his competition in that respect!
Posted by: Craft
I chose Tiger Woods and john, please leave my answer alone, I don't want a rant from you.
Posted by: Cenox
john992: lol, Wayne Gretzky? OMG.
How about Michael Jordan, Pele (best Brazilian soccer player ever who scored 1200 goals in his career), Muhamed Ali, Wilt Chamberlain (100 point game!)...? The list goes on. So many athletes have been much more dominant than Wayne G even though he did score quite a few goals
Posted by: Craft
Originally posted by Cenox
john992: lol, Wayne Gretzky? OMG.
lmao, be prepared for a sea of URL's from good ol' johnny boy now. This thread is going to be officially johnified.
Posted by: Cenox
And by the way. You cannot base this on records alone. Not all sports have equal ammounts of records to beat. I mean...for example soccer only counts goals and games played and it is after all by far the most popular sport in the world.
Posted by: Cenox
I'm prepared for that craft....I think
Posted by: seyone
if we are talking all time I would agree with john992, gretzky didn't get the name the ''great one" for nothing.
if we are talking current I would have to say Tiger.
Posted by: Triple Threat
Is the most dominant the one with the best stats?
Bill Russell of the Boston Celtics was not a big scorer, but look at all the championships that he won.
Posted by: TriZZle305
i was just copying espn's poll
Posted by: kuso
Not on your list, but until last year I would have said Sakaraba ............. nobody really dominated MMA in thier own wieght class like he did.
Posted by: Cenox
Harder to dominate NBA than MMA. We have to take the leage into consideration here. Wilt Chamberlain or Michael Jordan would be my final descision (sp?)
Posted by: Cenox
And by the way, What's up with TWoods? He is far from winning every time he competes. I mean, he is of course the best golfer out there but he gets beat up in so many competitions by unknown players all the f*cking time.
Posted by: kuso
Originally posted by Cenox
Harder to dominate NBA than MMA.
I have no idea what you are basing that on, but we`ll have to agree to dissagree.........anyway, the question was "Who is the most dominant in THEIR sport?
Posted by: I Are Baboon
I vote Tiger.
Posted by: Prince
John Elway!
oops, he's not on the poll!
Posted by: naturaltan
how about Roy Jones Jr. If we was able to put on the weight to go to heavy weight, he'd surely rule there as well.
Posted by: ponyboy
Whenever I think of a dominant player, I think of a player that when he comes out on the court, floor or field makes everyone else assume they are going to take second place.
Jordan used to intimidate people in Bball, as Shaq does now (although that has a lot to do with his size, not his skill). Tiger obviously makes all other golfers feel inadequate. Just like someone facing Pele back in the day would have been sweating bullets on the soccer field. Every pitcher fears Barry Bonds. Every hockey player fears having to face Hasek. Every goalie feared having to face Gretzky. These are all people that just scare the crap out of others because they are a level above anybody else in their respective sport. Even Elway had the patented "magic" that would scare opposing defenses.
So, here's my two cents:
Basketball - Jordan
Hockey - Gretzky
Baseball - Randy Johnson
Football - Jerry Rice
Soccer - Pele
Golf - Nicklaus
Posted by: TriZZle305
its currently! lol you guyz should all go write for espn
Posted by: Cenox
ponyboy: I agree!
Posted by: Chest Rockwell
Tiger Woods is Da Man in golf.
Lennox Lewis/Roy Jones Jr. is Da Man in boxing.
Shaq is Da Man in basketball.
Ricky Carmichael is Da Man in motocross.
Posted by: Cenox
Chest Rockwell: Nice ghetto language there dude
Posted by: Chest Rockwell
Originally posted by Cenox
Chest Rockwell: Nice ghetto language there dude
Yo no doubt playa!
Posted by: Mudge
Woah, where in the heck is Michael Shoemaker?
I don't follow hockey, so I'd have to guess amongst your list Tiger Woods. Barry Bonds? I never thought he was special, although he has gotten better over the years. I had alot more respect for Don Mattingly, Boggs (early), and the people that could actually hit the ball most of the time
Posted by: DWB
Pity ESPN forgot Arnold.
Lets face it, THAT'S what sport domination was all about. Arnold Schwarzenegger. In his time, In his prime. UNBEATABLE.
Posted by: Prince
Originally posted by DWB
Pity ESPN forgot Arnold.
Lets face it, THAT'S what sport domination was all about. Arnold Schwarzenegger. In his time, In his prime. UNBEATABLE.
Yeah, but the general public does not really view bodybuilding as a "real sport".
Posted by: Mudge
Heck, in the 60s they thought all the bodybuilders were gay! ha ha
Gretzky Records
By The Associated Press
NHL records owned or shared by Wayne Gretzky:
NHL Records Held or Shared
Through April 15, 1999
Career
Regular Season
NHL goals -- 894.
Assists -- 1,962.
Points -- 2,856.
Goals by a center -- 894.
Points by a center -- 2,856.
Assists by a center -- 1,962.
Assists-per-game average (300-or-more assists) -- 1.32.
Games, three-or-more goals -- 50.
Overtime assists -- 15.
Goals, including playoffs -- 1,016 (894 regular season and 122 playoff).
Assists, including playoffs -- 2,222 (1,962 regular season, 260 playoff).
Points, including playoffs -- 3,238 (2,856 regular season and 382 playoff).
Hat tricks -- 50.
40-or-more goal seasons -- 12.
50-or-more goal seasons -- 9.
60-or-more goal seasons -- 5.
100-or-more point seasons -- 15.
Consecutive 40-or-more goal seasons -- 12.
Consecutive 60-or-more goal seasons -- 4.
Consecutive 100-or-more point seasons -- 13.
Playoffs
Points -- 382 (122 goals, 260 assists in 208 games).
Goals -- 122.
Assists -- 260.
Game-winning goals -- 24.
Three-or-more goal games -- 10 in 16 seasons.
------
Single Season
Goals -- 92 in 1981-82 (80-game schedule).
Assists -- 163 in 1985-86 (80-game schedule).
Points -- 215 in 1985-86 (80-game schedule).
Goals by a center -- 92 in 1981-82.
Assists by a center -- 163 in 1985-86.
Points by a center -- 215 in 1985-86.
Three-or-more goal games -- 10 in 1981-82, 1983-84.
Goals per-game-average -- 1.18 in 1983-84 (87 goals in 74 games).
Assists per-game-average -- 2.04 in 1985-86.
Point-per-game average -- 2.77 in 1983-84.
Goals, including playoffs -- 100 in 1983-84.
Assists, including playoffs -- 174 in 1985-86.
Points, including playoffs -- 255 in 1984-85.
Goals, minimum 50 games, from start of a season -- 61 in 1981-82, 1983-84.
Consecutive point-scoring streak -- 51 games in 1983-84.
Consecutive point-scoring streak from the start of a season -- 51 games in 1983-84.
Consecutive assist-scoring streak -- 23 games in 1990-91 (48 assists).
Fastest 50 goals from start of season -- 39 games in 1981-82.
------
Single Game
Assists (tied) -- 7 (vs. Washington, Feb. 15, 1980; at Chicago, Dec. 11, 1985; vs. Quebec, Feb. 14, 1986).
Assists, road game (tied) -- 7 at Chicago, Dec. 11, 1985.
Assists by a player in first NHL season -- 7, vs. Washington, Feb. 15, 1980.
Goals, one period (tied) -- 4 vs. St. Louis, Feb. 18, 1981.
------
Single-Game Highs
Points -- 8 (twice); Last: January 4, 1984 vs. Minnesota.
Goals -- 5 (four times); Last: December 6, 1987 vs. Minnesota.
------
Playoffs
Single Year
Points -- 47 in 1985 (17 goals, 30 assists).
Assists -- 31 in 1988 (19 games).
Single Series
Points, one final series -- 13 in 1988 vs. Boston.
Assists in final series -- 10 in 1988 vs. Boston.
Assists in one series, other than final (tied) -- 14 in 1985 conference finals vs. Chicago.
Single Game
Shorthanded goals -- 2, April 6, 1983 vs. Winnipeg.
Assists -- 6, April 9, 1987 vs. Los Angeles.
Single Period
Assists -- 3 (five times).
Points -- 4 (one goal, three assists, 3rd period), April 12, 1987 vs. Los Angeles.
------
All-Star Game
(18 games)
Goals, career -- 13.
Assists, career -- 12.
Points, career -- 25.
Goals, one game -- 4 in 1983 at Uniondale, N.Y.
Goals, one period -- 4 in third period, 1983 at Uniondale, N.Y.
Points, one period -- 4 in 1983 at Uniondale, N.Y.
------
Awards
Hart Trophy (most valuable player, regular season) -- 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
Art Ross Trophy (leader in points, regular season) -- 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1990, 1991, 1994
Lady Byng Trophy (most sportsmanlike player) -- 1980, 1991, 1992, 1994
Conn Smythe Trophy (most valuable player, Stanley Cup playoffs) -- 1985, 1988
Lester B. Pearson Award (NHLPA most outstanding player of the league) -- 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987
------
Gretzky-Goal Dates
Oct. 14, 1979 -- First goal against Glen Hanlon of the Vancouver Canucks.
Feb. 18, 1981 -- Five goals against Mike Liut and Ed Staniowski of the St. Louis Blues, including record-tying four in third period.
March 7, 1981 -- 100th into empty-net goal against the Philadelphia Flyers, one of four that night.
Dec. 30, 1981 -- Five goals against the Philadelphia Flyers to become the first player in 57 years to record two five-goal games.
Feb. 24, 1982 -- Scores his 77th of the season against Don Edwards of the Buffalo Sabres to eclipse Phil Esposito's single-season mark.
Oct. 9, 1982 -- 200th against Richard Brodeur of the Vancouver Canucks.
Dec. 13, 1983 -- 300th against Billy Smith of the New York Islanders.
Dec. 15, 1984 -- Five goals against Rick Wamsley and Mike Liut of St. Louis Blues to become the second player and first in 64 years to post three five-goal games.
Jan. 13, 1985 -- 400th against Tom Barrasso of the Buffalo Sabres.
Nov. 22, 1986 -- 500th into an empty-net goal against the Vancouver Canucks.
Oct. 14, 1987 -- 545th against Mike Vernon of the Calgary Flames to pass Maurice "Rocket" Richard.
Dec. 6, 1987 -- Five goals against Don Beaupre and Kari Takko of the Minnesota North Stars.
Jan. 30, 1988 -- 574th against Mike Liut of the Hartford Whalers to pass Mike Bossy for fifth place.
Nov. 23, 1988 -- 600th against Greg Stefan of the Detroit Red Wings.
Dec. 23, 1988 -- 611th -- second of two empty-net goals against the Vancouver Canucks -- to pass Bobby Hull for fourth place.
Jan. 3, 1991 -- 700th against Glenn Healy of the New York Islanders.
March 28, 1991 -- 718th against Jon Casey of the Minnesota North Stars to pass Phil Esposito for third place.
Dec. 21, 1991 -- 732nd against Tim Cheveldae of the Detroit Red Wings to pass Marcel Dionne for second place.
March 20, 1994 -- 800th and 801st against Arturs Irbe of San Jose Sharks to tie Gordie Howe for NHL record.
March 23, 1994 -- 802nd against Kirk McLean of Vancouver Canucks to pass Gordie Howe for NHL record.
Ummm.... any questions?
Posted by: EarWax
Lance Armstrong or Bo Jackson
Posted by: I Are Baboon
Originally posted by john992
All-time, Gretzky, no doubt! CHECK IT OUT:
from the following web address:
I think Mario could have challenged some of Wayne's records if he could have only stayed healthy. But that's part of what makes Wayne so great....his ability to stay healthy throughout his career.
With the NHL's focus now on tight, trap defenses, no one will ever challenge Wayne's records. 215 points in a season? COME ON NOW!!!!! We're lucky to see a 120 point player nowadays.
Posted by: Captain
Shaq. Double teams and triple teams can't stop the "diesel". Way too powerful and agile.
Posted by: TriZZle305
well im thinkin about makin a "who most dominant in their sport of all times" poll but i need some suggestions for best all time in their sports... i guess gretsky and jordan are a given... who else ... soccer, baseball, body building,boxing, golf, mountain biking anything? suggestions
Posted by: kuso
I mentioned MMA and got my head bitten off
Posted by: TriZZle305
any sport .. if they were dominant... i dont think it will get a great deal of votes because not many people are too familiar with mma and the media is biased to big sports in america like basketball hockey football baseball
Posted by: Mudge
Originally posted by I Are Baboon
I think Mario could have challenged some of Wayne's records if he could have only stayed healthy. But that's part of what makes Wayne so great....his ability to stay healthy throughout his career.
Looking at baseball I agree, alot of the players of the 90s could not maintain what they did the first 5 years of thier careers. Kirby Pucket, Wade Boggs, Don Mattingly...
Posted by: Clint Calaway
Tiger. There is absolutely no doubt. What he is doing was considered unheard of. Winning the Grand Slam in one year!!!!!!! That is off the hock. only a handfull of men have won it in their careers. And to boot, tiger has a LOT of golf left!! if Tiger does not dominate, it is because Tiger is bored. Clear and Simple.
Posted by: Dero
Originally posted by EarWax
Lance Armstrong or Bo Jackson
Yes I agree with you about Lance Amstrong,look at this guy,makes a great cumback from Cancer of the cajunes and then wins FOUR YEARS IN A ROW the Le TOUR,and guess what,I would not be suprised if he wins the one that is happening RIGHT NOW!!!
Saku Koyivu,the HABS(MTL Canadians/hockey)captain.
Another one withcancer of da cajunes,makes a cumback and ended da season...
Dos two,in my books are what you call REAL ATHLETES!!!
IN THERE DISCIPLINES.
Hats off to those two gentleman...
Posted by: EarWax
Yeah, Lance Armstrong is the man!
I put Bo Jackson down because before he got his hip injury, I strongly believe he was the best all-around athlete. He could play any sport (that's worth mentioning that is) and just about be a natural in my opinion.
Posted by: kuso
Sir Donald Bradman...................how many sports men get Knighted because of thier domination???
Posted by: david
Shaq for now but we all know it's a (strong team) effort for NBA bc/ Orlando Magic couldn't do it with Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott and the Power Forward postion (Horace was getting washed up and is overated) We all know Chicago was MJ, Pippen and Point Guards.
Posted by: ragingbull
Does anyone else have a hard time thinking of Golf as a sport compared to Big Four, Football, Basketball, Hockey, Baseball. Anytime a 350 lbs person can lug around a bag of sticks and shoot a decent score is not a real sport. Sure it takes real talent to be the best and the activity if very difficult but there is no way to compare Golf to the others. The only way to compare would be for each golfer to carry their own clubs and get hit in the mouth once on a par three and four, and Twice on the par fives. That would tell be their real athletes.
Posted by: david
I think Golf takes a lot of skill! Tiger Woods is definitely dominating. Too Dominating that is!
Posted by: kuso
Originally posted by ragingbull
Big Four, Football, Basketball, Hockey, Baseball..
Not being from the states I have more of a hard time things the worlds greatest could actually come from one of these sports
Posted by: JerseyDevil
Given this list, I would have to say Tiger. But all time, Gretsky, Jordan, and Pele (talk about dominating a sport).
Posted by: camarosuper6
Jordan was the most dominant of the 1990s, and still probably the most dominant player to ever play any sport IMO.
Posted by: gr81
I can't believe that I was the fiorst person to vote for Bonds!!WTF
We're lucky to see a 120 point player nowadays.
