Originally Posted by sensamilia

i have 9 cups a day, easy cheap cals.

Originally Posted by P-funk

I don't drink any milk.

Originally Posted by sensamilia

wtf is wrong with milk? I wor on a farm here in New Zealand and i get it virtualy for free, id be stupid Not to use it as abig part of my diet.

Originally Posted by sensamilia

please explain y milk is bad if its skim?

Originally Posted by sensamilia

please explain y milk is bad if its skim?

Originally Posted by Jodi

Fufu is partially correct. The amount of sugars that you are drinking per day is absolutely insane and not very good for anyone! The other reasons is because of the hormones in milk. Have you read about the hormones in milk and the high estrogen effects? Are you drinking raw organic milk seeing you work on a farm?

Originally Posted by AKIRA

So thats tha reason organic milk is recommended?

Ive looked at 2 comparisons of organic skim and regular skim..and the macros are identical. The ingredients arent too far off either. There was 1-2 things that were different.

This sort of thing reminds me of my friends mom being afraid of using the microwave cuz she read/saw on 20/20 that it gives cancer. Not saying this sort of subject is identical to this, but I am going to be skeptical about this risk vs. reward.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

No offence to you Akira, but I will use your example here cause it applies to many people including myself sometimes.

It amazes me how many people shrug off potential Health side effects in favour of convenience. We are only given one life, and yes the body is pretty good at maintaining its health. But why push your luck?

Originally Posted by jamie1888

I use 1 cup of Fat Free Calorie Countdown (low carb milk) at most once per day for a shake.

8oz
45 calories
160 sodium
3g carbs
8g protein

Originally Posted by DOMS

Drano has a lower GI than milk or brown rice.

There's more to food than just the macro and nutritional properties.

Originally Posted by zonaguy03

god damnit, can't take back the gallon I just bought yesterday

Originally Posted by P-funk

so drink the milk. A glass a day is not going to kill you.

It is when you do things excess (which you seem to do judging by the peanut butter thread and just about every other thread you have created since you have been here...aside from your introduction thread).

You need to learn how to balance out your food and be overal healthy and treat your cheat meals and cheat meals. You are to "all-or-none."

Originally Posted by Jodi

The synthetic hormone rbst in milk is very well known. That's why more and more dairy companies these days are offering rbst free milk. This is typically, but not in all cases, organic milk.

The rbst in milk is so bad for you and the cows that Canadian government and many European countries won't allow the use of it.

This is a heated debate between both sides. There are tons of studies saying it's bad and lots saying it's fine. However, the ones saying it's fine are the studies produced by the manufacturer of the rbst, Monsato. So to me it's a biased study.

I err to the side of caution and there are too many studies out there that say rbst can cause insulin resistance, estrogen dominance and even cancer.

Just buy milk that says rBST free.

Originally Posted by zonaguy03

I think that it's a good idea that foods that I tend to eat an access amount (peanut butter is a great example), I should not bring into the house at all.

Going a little off the subject though, can you answer this question: why does one need fats in their diet, besides omega 3's? What does fat do to one that is trying to loose body fat? I consume fish oil pills and olive oil (through cooking).

Originally Posted by P-funk

I agree. I don't purchase trigger foods because I know I can't help it. If I have something that I really like, I will go on a weekend and get a small amount of it and eat it all instead of buying a big bag and trying to be moderate with it.

Fat serves a lot of purposes in our bodies. Hormones are synthesized from fat, they help to protect cells, they offer us the highest caloric content per gram giving us a lot of fuel in a small amount. You can't just omit fats or only eat one type of fat. It would be like me saying...."why do i have to eat any other vegetable besides lettuce."

Olive oil is a monounsaturated fatty acid.

Originally Posted by zonaguy03

Reading what everyone has said on here, I have gotten the idea that any type of saturated and trans fat is terrible, so when I go and look at labels, I make decisions based on if there is saturated and that trans fat along with looking at the ingredients: look to stay away from the fructose corn syrup and any syrup.

Originally Posted by P-funk

some saturated fat is not bad in your diet. if that even has a large impact on your overal cholesterol levels has yet to really be seen anyway (save for a genetic predisposition).

Trans Fat are naturally occuring in animal meats (like beef), like conjugated linoleic acid. However, what you may be referring to is partially hydrogenated oils which don't appear to serve any purpose to a persons health and some claim that they can lead to different forms of cancers.


high fructose corn syrup and other syrups are just sugar (added calories and crap you probably don't need).

Originally Posted by sensamilia

arnt u the 1 that posted how good skim milk is PWO?
And concenring rbst..Its been proven to b completly safe.. Aint nuttin wrong with milk.. If its the sugar ur worried about ur pretty hypocritical considering that ALL carbs turn to sugar in ur blood.

Originally Posted by fufu

No he didn't!

Yes, all carbs eventually turn to glucose. But it is the regulation of that process in which the glucose meets its end that is important. When you consume the sugar in milk, lactose, it is nearly in the same chemical structure of glucose so it passes through the GI quickly and is ready to enter the blood. This rapid entry into the blood means the body requires an immedient and potentionally large amount of insulin to be secreted from the pancreas to have the glucose transported into muscle tissue or adipose tissue to be stored. When insulin is secreted in large sudden amounts habitually, it can lead to a resitance of the hormone. This aquired resistance can progressivly turn into full blown rejection. This is where you meet Mr. Diabetes the II, he will change your life forever if he decides to shelter in your body from irresponsible and excessive cosumption of sugar and other like "simple" carbohydrates.

That is your endocrine physiology lesson for the day! Remember, things aren't as simple as they seem. It is safe to say 9 glasses of milk is too much.

Originally Posted by Zinthar

Wouldn't that insulin response from the sugar in milk actually be somewhat helpful strictly in PWO shakes then?

Originally Posted by Zinthar

I can't imagine you'd be killing yourself (inducing type II diabetes) if you were consuming a max of 20g of high-GI carbs daily, right??

Originally Posted by sensamilia

arnt u the 1 that posted how good skim milk is PWO?
And concenring rbst..Its been proven to b completly safe.. Aint nuttin wrong with milk.. If its the sugar ur worried about ur pretty hypocritical considering that ALL carbs turn to sugar in ur blood.

Originally Posted by fufu

Yes, that is true. A controlled and timed secretion of insulin can be used to benefit the muscle tissue through quick nutrient transport after a workout, which is prime time for such a process. That is a very popular concept.



There are too many factor's to answer that definitively(most important factor being genetics), but generally that should be definitely be fine for your average person. It is when things are carried into excessive in which they start to degrade the body. Being aware of what you eat is huge when trying to protect yourself from such a disease.

There is some statistic I heard, not sure of it's validity, but it said that within a generation 1 in 3 people will have diabetes if things continue the way they do.

Originally Posted by sensamilia

milk has a very low gi rating..

Originally Posted by Jodi

GI is garbage. GI doesn't mean shit. You need to compare GI to GL to even make it remotely worthwhile.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

No offence to you Akira, but I will use your example here cause it applies to many people including myself sometimes.

It amazes me how many people shrug off potential Health side effects in favour of convenience. We are only given one life, and yes the body is pretty good at maintaining its health. But why push your luck?

Originally Posted by fufu

Originally Posted by AKIRA

Am I understanding that if I drink Skim Milk (regular), Ill die or live a horrible fitness filled life?

Originally Posted by Uthinkso

Obviously not just gauging off what you've already achieved.

I'll go ahead and get crucified for this one, but I need to speak my mind here. Often times I see these threads become very black and white, there are no exception to the rules what so ever. If you break the rules you will immediately gain 50lbs and develop diabetes or some other terrible disease. Its Milk people, skim at that, organic or otherwise. If your using a cup of skim in your shake its not going to kill you. Hell if your bulking it may be to your aid to get away from the skim, but thats another point all together.

The small amount you could be damaging your potential outcome by drinking the milk, versus without isn't worth the grief. Its not like your at 6% or 16% body fat from drinking a glass of milk a day. Lets lighten up a little.

...and yes P now this is officially the worst thread in IM history.

Originally Posted by Uthinkso

Obviously not just gauging off what you've already achieved.

I'll go ahead and get crucified for this one, but I need to speak my mind here. Often times I see these threads become very black and white, there are no exception to the rules what so ever. If you break the rules you will immediately gain 50lbs and develop diabetes or some other terrible disease. Its Milk people, skim at that, organic or otherwise. If your using a cup of skim in your shake its not going to kill you. Hell if your bulking it may be to your aid to get away from the skim, but thats another point all together.

The small amount you could be damaging your potential outcome by drinking the milk, versus without isn't worth the grief. Its not like your at 6% or 16% body fat from drinking a glass of milk a day. Lets lighten up a little.

...and yes P now this is officially the worst thread in IM history.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Nobody is claiming 50lb weight gain or diabetes. We are talking about the Hormones and drugs used by the manufacturing companies.

Originally Posted by Jodi

You have got to be fucking kidding me. You guys are the ones that turn this into an all or nothing thing. You guys are the ones that claim the black and white. How many fucking times have I said milk PWO is good? A lot I think. However, I am very aware of the chemicals and hormones used in today's milk which is why I recommend organic. This has only changed in the past 10-15 years. You want to fuck with your body then by all means, pump shit into it. I don't give a fuck what you guys do. We are here to tell you the differences and better options. You don't want to take our advice...........again, I don't give a fuck.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Tis your health. You only get one chance.

Ignorance of our body as a society has lead us to the state we are in today.

Originally Posted by Uthinkso

You need to calm down, its advise, people can take it or leave it. Why get so worked up?

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Back on topic.

I have a cup of regular skim with a bowl of Kashi Go Lean about 3-4 times a week, and another cup with my PWO 4 times a week.

After reading this thread, I am going to remember to check out the rsbt free skim milk, and forget the rest .

Originally Posted by Uthinkso

Obviously not just gauging off what you've already achieved.

I'll go ahead and get crucified for this one, but I need to speak my mind here. Often times I see these threads become very black and white, there are no exception to the rules what so ever. If you break the rules you will immediately gain 50lbs and develop diabetes or some other terrible disease. Its Milk people, skim at that, organic or otherwise. If your using a cup of skim in your shake its not going to kill you. Hell if your bulking it may be to your aid to get away from the skim, but thats another point all together.

The small amount you could be damaging your potential outcome by drinking the milk, versus without isn't worth the grief. Its not like your at 6% or 16% body fat from drinking a glass of milk a day. Lets lighten up a little.

...and yes P now this is officially the worst thread in IM history.

Originally Posted by ReproMan

Seriously. Nobody knows what the hell you're talking about AKIRA.

Originally Posted by AKIRA

My sarcasm or my questions?

Originally Posted by Jodi

Oh I'm calm. I just said I don't give a fuck. What bothers me is that you claiming it's either black or white and this is not the case. You don't like our advice, don't take it. Do what you want with your body because I only try to advise of better choices. You don't want to believe me, fine, go read on your own. I just don't like us being accused of "our way or no way". That is not the case by any means and lately I've seen that thrown around a lot. Don't read it if you don't like but I'm not changing the way I give advice. I will always show the better options out there and what you do with it is your choice and not my problem.

Originally Posted by AKIRA

Thanks for picking up on my sarcasm

"I was laying it on pretty thick."

Originally Posted by Uthinkso

This thread is exactly an example of whats been talked about in other threads. Its all nice nice until somebody challenges the statement with a question. Then its fuck this, and fuck that.

Originally Posted by Uthinkso

Its what I do....

This is your brain
This is your brain on milk

any questions??

Originally Posted by ReproMan

It didn't appear to be either to me.

Originally Posted by Uthinkso

Well I'll drink my chemical milk, and time willtell whether I drop dead or other wise.

To the original poster, there is no clear cut answer as to whether this is good for you or not.

Originally Posted by Uthinkso

Obviously not just gauging off what you've already achieved.

I'll go ahead and get crucified for this one, but I need to speak my mind here. Often times I see these threads become very black and white, there are no exception to the rules what so ever. If you break the rules you will immediately gain 50lbs and develop diabetes or some other terrible disease. Its Milk people, skim at that, organic or otherwise. If your using a cup of skim in your shake its not going to kill you. Hell if your bulking it may be to your aid to get away from the skim, but thats another point all together.

The small amount you could be damaging your potential outcome by drinking the milk, versus without isn't worth the grief. Its not like your at 6% or 16% body fat from drinking a glass of milk a day. Lets lighten up a little.

...and yes P now this is officially the worst thread in IM history.

Originally Posted by Jodi

Interesting........I don't recall anyone saying you could die from rBST

Originally Posted by Jodi

Good idea

Hood, Shamrock Farms, Horizons to name a few all have rBST free milk Even Starbucks has changed their milk to rBST free! Major grocery companies like Bashas, Albertson's, Fry's, Demoulas, Shaw's, Hannaford, Stop N Shop, Kroger and Publix are all making sure to offer the hormone free milk as well. Some of them are even switching completely over so they won't even carry rBST milk anymore. Eventually it will change everywhere as the long term effects are known more and more.

Sort of like the whole Trans-fat thing. We (fitness enthusiasts) knew about it long before it caught on with the general public and FDA..........

Originally Posted by Jodi

Nobody challenged anything. People asked questions I answered. Where the hell was the challenge and what the fuck are you talking about? You guys are the ones that came in say "oh its all or nothing"

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

I drink a gallon of milk a week and i'm the healthiest human on this damn planet.

Whole milk > Water any day

P.S. The doctor says i only have a few months to live

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

If you want credible information check pubmed.com or google scholar for studies.

Originally Posted by Jodi

And you think this is healthy? That statement right there has unhealthy written all over it. So many people have a such a blind eye because they don't actually believe they are being taken for a ride. Ce' la vie.