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Posted by: Uthinkso

I've been quite here lately working out some medical issues. So I thought I'd post about whats been going on since I have nothign else to post about. I've been gaining mass amounts of weight over the past two months. I've seen my doctor and right now he is testing me for thyroid and a few other things. Looking at testosterone levels and estrogen as well.

I'm still eating clean and training, but I still put on more and more weight. Check that, adipose tissue (aka. FAT). I'm hoping to have answers on my next appointment which is October 1st.

Wish me luck.

Jan 2007 26xlb
May 2007 230lb
Sept 2007 265lb


Posted by: DOMS

Sorry to hear that, man.

If it is your thyroid, there are ways to control it.


Posted by: Uthinkso

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Sorry to hear that, man.

If it is your thyroid, there are ways to control it.
Yeah I'm keeping my head up and still training just as hard. Hopefully I have some answers soon.


Posted by: BoneCrusher

YOU have determination. YOU will get passed this. You're doc will tell you the issue and YOU will deal with it while many other weaker types wouldn't. YOU have the strength and the will to beat what confronts you. I look forward to the update that tells us what the issue is and the details of how you are beating it


Posted by: Uthinkso

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YOU have determination. YOU will get passed this. You're doc will tell you the issue and YOU will deal with it while many other weaker types wouldn't. YOU have the strength and the will to beat what confronts you. I look forward to the update that tells us what the issue is and the details of how you are beating it
Wow thanks for the push man, its posts like this that make me come back to this board.


Posted by: DOMS

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Wow thanks for the push man, its posts like this that make me come back to this board.
Really? I'd have thought it would have been for casual Friday.





Posted by: Uthinkso

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Really? I'd have thought it would have been for casual Friday.
Well thats also very inviting


Posted by: IainDaniel

Sorry to hear that. Hope things get worked out.

Does your Doc know that you used Clen?


Posted by: KelJu

I hope you get it all sorted out, dude! Best of luck to you.


Posted by: Jodi

Good luck. I know all about thyroid and unfortunately it's a life long battle.

I heard that after 4 weeks of clen you can actually start gaining weight from it. You didn't use T3 at the same time did you?


Posted by: Uthinkso

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Good luck. I know all about thyroid and unfortunately it's a life long battle.

I heard that after 4 weeks of clen you can actually start gaining weight from it. You didn't use T3 at the same time did you?
Yes this is true I did gain after the second cycle. I never really lost to be honest, at least from a scales point. I did not use T3 with it.

Also I did mention it to my doctor and it showed in my first series of blood work. He lectured, but respected that its my choice. I also respected that as a doctor its his responsibility to at least fill me in on the dangers, etc.

In that thread I posted up about clen, I said I'd either live to regret it or love it. At this point, I have to say it didn't do a thing for me, but I'm not sure my problems now are a direct result.


Posted by: Jodi

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In that thread I posted up about clen, I said I'd either live to regret it or love it. At this point, I have to say it didn't do a thing for me, but I'm not sure my problems now are a direct result.
If you do in fact have thyroid problems I can tell you the Clen probably contributed to it. Clen acts to increase body temperature which increases caloric burn, but shortly after its temperature elevating effect kicks in, the thyroid gland backs off on its production basically making clen ineffective in the long term. So now you are left with your thyroid under-producing and wala....thyoid disease. Could be a short term side effect or it could be a long term side effect.

This why you see so many people use Clen and T3 together but that combo can pose risk as well.


Posted by: Uthinkso

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If you do in fact have thyroid problems I can tell you the Clen probably contributed to it. Clen acts to increase body temperature which increases caloric burn, but shortly after its temperature elevating effect kicks in, the thyroid gland backs off on its production basically making clen ineffective in the long term. So now you are left with your thyroid under-producing and wala....thyoid disease. Could be a short term side effect or it could be a long term side effect.

This why you see so many people use Clen and T3 together but that combo can pose risk as well.
That may well be the case, and my doc is honest with me so I'm sure if he feels the clen was the issue he'll tell me.


Posted by: Jodi

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That may well be the case, and my doc is honest with me so I'm sure if he feels the clen was the issue he'll tell me.
Sure if he knows enough about it. Most MD's don't know jack shit when it comes to endocrinology that's why you should really see a specialist like and endocronologist instead.

I don't see how he can tell Clen was in your blood. That's not something that shows up in blood work. There isn't even a test to look for it. He's feeding you a line of shit if he told you it showed up in your blood work.


Posted by: Uthinkso

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Sure if he knows enough about it. Most MD's don't know jack shit when it comes to endocrinology that's why you should really see a specialist like and endocronologist instead.

I don't see how he can tell Clen was in your blood. That's not something that shows up in blood work. There isn't even a test to look for it. He's feeding you a line of shit if he told you it showed up in your blood work.
Well I'm now with a specialist, that why I am going for more blood work on Monday. This is testing for stuff he sent me for, then he has some other tests he needs me to do. I honestly know little about it at this point. They are still trying to narrow down and determine if it is in fact thyroid. My general also has me seeing a GI doc. Chrones and collitis run in my family, so we he wants to check me for those as well.

As for the clen, he mentioned a few elevated levels and asked if I took any weight loss supplements or any other supplements. I offered up the clen and another product I had used.


Posted by: Jodi

Glad to know you are seeing a specialist. It should be hard to narrow down as it only take one simple blood test to see if you have thyroid disease or not.

I know all about the GI stuff ughhh.....I leave for Boston tomorrow for vacation but when I get back, the very next day, I'm in the hosptial for a upper and lower GI all done at once. I'm being violated


Posted by: Uthinkso

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Glad to know you are seeing a specialist. It should be hard to narrow down as it only take one simple blood test to see if you have thyroid disease or not.

I know all about the GI stuff ughhh.....I leave for Boston tomorrow for vacation but when I get back, the very next day, I'm in the hosptial for a upper and lower GI all done at once. I'm being violated

Well that is strange, I've already done one series of blood work. Perhaps the specialist wants to see his own tests. No idea on that side of things, I'm just the pin cushion.

I'm hoping to not have to deal with the GI stuff but we'll see. If thats what it takes, then so be it. Have fun in Beantown.


Posted by: Uthinkso

Well I had the last bit of the blood work done today. Answers come a week from today my appointment is on October first. I will fill everyone in then.


Posted by: Yanick

Get a copy of the labs and post up the abnormals with the reference range. Specifically what tests did they run?


Posted by: Uthinkso

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Get a copy of the labs and post up the abnormals with the reference range. Specifically what tests did they run?
Ok heres the update and answer to your question Yanick. As for what they specifically tested I'll know more monday. I've had blood work ordered by my family doc and the specialist, both times it was a fasting test.

I have an appointment on Monday at 8am, and will get some answers and some results.

Now the surprise, I get a call from my doctors office saying that I need to call right away they have a message for me from the doctor. He wants me to go for a 2hr sugar test and a A1C test. My sugar levels were 117/118 from the fasting tests. So its consistent, but from my research I've seen that 100 is normal. So I was barely elevated.

My docs line of testing now is after blood sugar which makes me think diabetes. I meet with him tomorrow, and then get the 2hr blood sugar test done tomorrow. I will report back as I know details and post whatever results I can. They tested my testosterone/thyroid/estrogen levels as well. I'm interested to get a copy of that report to see what it says. I feel like a pin cushion, but the answers I coming.

Thank you to everyone here for giving me a forum to vent my frustration and being supportive.


Posted by: Uthinkso

Well the thyroid is not the issue rather my blood sugar is elevated and my testosterone is low. My test level is 335 and my doc says it should be between 500-1000.

I'm doing another blood test Wednesday, and then he is prescribing me testosterone injections to get my levels up. Also he has me taking a pill to help with the sugar levels. I'll know more after my next appointment on Monday.


Posted by: IainDaniel

What is your BF level at?


Posted by: Yanick

Sweet, legal juice. Hope everything works out well for you bro. Diabetes is not as bad as it was in the past. We have advanced our understanding of med's, diet as it relates to diabetes and people are living very full lives with diabetes.

If it is indeed diabetes (as well ask the doc for the specific diagnosis that he is leaning toward, Mellitus Type I/II or Insipidus as they have slightly different characteristics), it could explain your weight gain as edema comes with diabetes (mostly in the feet, how are you shoes fitting?). Do you have any numbers as far as weight gain/time, or a reference range for the blood sugar? Different labs have different reference ranges, for example the hospital where i do my clinicals has blood glucose at 80-120 so you'd fall withing range but at school we were always told that 70-110 is normal. Thats why a lab sheet always gives reference ranges when you see them.

What meds has the doc written out for you?

Good luck with everything, sorry for the rambling but if i'm able to help even a little i feel i've done good and this stuff helps me constantly reinforce the mass amounts of information that i stuff into my head on a daily basis, then forget, then re-read and remember etc. Keep us posted.


Posted by: DOMS

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Sweet, legal juice.
Ha! That was my first thought as well!!!


Posted by: Uthinkso

Yanick thank you for the post, and thank you all for your questions.

My BF is 25% right now, was 18% in May. Weight is 260lb today, was 224lb in May.

The two meds he put me on today are Rozerem to help me sleep (supposed to be much less addictive than Ambien). The other is Metformin which is a generic for Glucophage.

As for refference levels from the blood work, here is the highlighted stuff.

Glucose 117 ref 70-99mg/dl
Cholesterol 207 ref 140-199mg/dl
Triglyceride 78 ref 30-149mg/dl
HDL Cholesterol 70 ref 40-75mg/dl
LDL-Calculated 121 ref 60-99mg/dl
Testosterone 335 ref 400-1080 (even my doc agrees, he'd like to see this near 600)
Free T4 1.19 ref .84-2.26 mg/dl


Thats all my report shows me. I've got a new outlook today, finally after the specialists and such I have news. I don't consider it bad, and my doc is pretty confident once my weight gets down I won't need any help with my sugar at all. He says he'd like to see me at 190lb, I wished him luck with that and told him I will do my best and that I'm not a quitter. I wanted answers and I got them.

Now the fun part, I've never given myself a shot. That takes place in two weeks, I'm just going to take it as it comes with an open mind.


Posted by: Uthinkso

The legal juice thing had my chuckling, I'm sure I'm getting a much smaller dose than anything that would assist in muscle growth though.


Posted by: vortrit

I'm glad to see you got some answers...


Posted by: Yanick

Seems like you have a pretty good doc. The weight gain might be the reason that you are hyperglycemic (although that is very borderline). You definitely have to work on dropping some weight and make sure to keep your diet super clean (low GI carbs and all that jazz, low sat fat, sugar, no alcohol/partying etc). That should also take care of the slight dyslipidemia that you have (get that LDL down to normal). When i set up my grandmother with a simple, balanced diet i got her morning blood sugar down from around 250-300 to the low 100's without any increase in med's. The family doc (who is very against the poly-pharmacy phenomenon) was amazed.

Self injecting is mentally tough just make sure you have a good handle on how to draw, find the site (i assume he'll tell you to hit the delt or the ventro-gluteal), aspirate (really important) and inject. If you are uneasy about injections, ask about topical applications...they are out there.

The only thing that you need to really concern yourself with is if you drop weight but can't resolve the symptoms...something else is going on that needs further investigation. Do you have any numbers for you liver/kidney (AST/ALT and BUN/Creatinine respectively). Oh and no matter what you do, remember to stick to your therapeutic regimen because your health really is your most valuable asset. I'm sure you'll get through this.


Posted by: Uthinkso

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Seems like you have a pretty good doc. The weight gain might be the reason that you are hyperglycemic (although that is very borderline). You definitely have to work on dropping some weight and make sure to keep your diet super clean (low GI carbs and all that jazz, low sat fat, sugar, no alcohol/partying etc). That should also take care of the slight dyslipidemia that you have (get that LDL down to normal). When i set up my grandmother with a simple, balanced diet i got her morning blood sugar down from around 250-300 to the low 100's without any increase in med's. The family doc (who is very against the poly-pharmacy phenomenon) was amazed.

Self injecting is mentally tough just make sure you have a good handle on how to draw, find the site (i assume he'll tell you to hit the delt or the ventro-gluteal), aspirate (really important) and inject. If you are uneasy about injections, ask about topical applications...they are out there.

The only thing that you need to really concern yourself with is if you drop weight but can't resolve the symptoms...something else is going on that needs further investigation. Do you have any numbers for you liver/kidney (AST/ALT and BUN/Creatinine respectively). Oh and no matter what you do, remember to stick to your therapeutic regimen because your health really is your most valuable asset. I'm sure you'll get through this.

Great post thank you. Something happend metaboliclly because I was and still am eating clean and training four days a week, but I started to gain weight (fat) like mad. He thinks that my diet must have been too high in glucose, I'm not sure thats possible but he's drawing at straws I suppose.

I do have more numbers, I'll post later. I know I saw creatine on there and it caught my attention. I wasn't aware we had creatine in our bodies naturally.


Posted by: Yanick

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Great post thank you. Something happend metaboliclly because I was and still am eating clean and training four days a week, but I started to gain weight (fat) like mad. He thinks that my diet must have been too high in glucose, I'm not sure thats possible but he's drawing at straws I suppose.

I do have more numbers, I'll post later. I know I saw creatine on there and it caught my attention. I wasn't aware we had creatine in our bodies naturally.
Creatinine is a metabolite of creatine, which we do naturally have in our bodies as well, it is ingested from red/organ meats and other animal products. BUN and creatinine are a measure of renal function as they are excreted mainly through the kidneys so if the BUN and Cr. are out of whack there might be something renal going on (probably doubtful) but its an issue as renal insufficiency can cause blood levels of meds to stay elevated (your not pumping out the drug) which can be a huge load on the liver and may cause toxicity over prolonged periods of time.


Posted by: Uthinkso

Had my A1C test today. I had to eat a meal of pretty much all sugar then let it digest for two hours and go back in. I'm feeling very weak right now. I just ate a proper meal so I should have some strength coming here.


Posted by: DOMS

When are you going to get the results?


Posted by: Uthinkso

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When are you going to get the results?
I should get the results from the A1C test on Monday. I have a standing Monday date with my doc at 8am.


Posted by: Uthinkso

Ok the results are finally in the diagnosis is laid down and we have a treatment plan. As of last Monday I had started taking Metformin for a mild sugar imbalance. Yesterday I got my results from the 2hr glucose test and it shows that my fasting sugars are elevated but after eating my sugar level is normal.

So I remain on the metformin and will get this addressed. I start the testosterone injections next week and then will have to do them every three weeks.


Posted by: DOMS

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Ok the results are finally in the diagnosis is laid down and we have a treatment plan. As of last Monday I had started taking Metformin for a mild sugar imbalance. Yesterday I got my results from the 2hr glucose test and it shows that my fasting sugars are elevated but after eating my sugar level is normal.

So I remain on the metformin and will get this addressed. I start the testosterone injections next week and then will have to do them every three weeks.
I'm telling! I'm telling!



I'm glad your getting the treatment, man. Did the doc say was the cause is?


Posted by: Gazhole

Sorry to hear about your troubles Uthinkso, but it looks like your doc is getting to the point - and quickely - which is always good.

At least you know you have the army of IM behind you all the way


Posted by: Uthinkso

Thanks guys!!!

As for a cause, Diabetes runs in my mothers side of the family, so its somewhat hereditary. Nobody on that side is over weight, so its not a weight issue per say with them like it may be for me.

As for the test levels, he said theres no way really to determine why its low. His thinking is that its always been lower but now its starting to effect me.

Also as witnessed by my test levels, he says I digest carbs (ie: glucose/sugar) too slow and should avoid them towards the evenings and that should help immensely.


Posted by: DOMS

So, are you going to get to cycle for the rest of your life?

I ask because, if you do, I need to tell you that you suck.


Posted by: Yanick

Did the doc say anywhere in the plan that he is gonna wean you off the meds? I mean, i'm no doc, hell i'm not even a nurse yet but it seems that your fasting blood sugar was very minimally elevated and if your A1C came back normal i would think a long term plan should include dietary/lifestyle changes and avoid chronic medication administration. Its the one thing i hate about the medical world, especially in regards to diabetes. They would rather pump you full of insulin and shit rather than tell you to get your act together and eat cleaner, avoid alcohol etc...but noooo, insurance companies won't make money if you eat well to control your blood sugar, and its just too big of an inconvenience for most people to get their diet together, they'd rather just pop pills and shoot up insulin so they can eat like shit and go out drinking. Sorry for the rant but i got into a huge argument with my professor about controlling blood sugar, the lady's been a nurse for like 20 years and has never heard of the glycemic/insulin index

I have such mixed feelings about the profession i'm going into. Its great and i love doing it but when you look passed the BS they teach you and realize how much of it is about money and not necessarily to make people better it makes you a little depressed and sick simultaneously (its depressing enough being around dying people all the time damnit!). I just can't wait to get my master's and become an Nurse Practitioner, go into private practice and try to actually solve people's underlying problems instead of just curing the symptoms.


Posted by: Uthinkso

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So, are you going to get to cycle for the rest of your life?

I ask because, if you do, I need to tell you that you suck.

Well first off, the dose I'll be taking I'm sure if much to small to be considered "anabolic" by any means. As for the length of time, I'm just not sure at this point. I imagine once the levels get up there, I can stand to do fewer injections or at least space them out.


Posted by: DOMS

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Well first off, the dose I'll be taking I'm sure if much to small to be considered "anabolic" by any means. As for the length of time, I'm just not sure at this point. I imagine once the levels get up there, I can stand to do fewer injections or at least space them out.
Okay then, you don't suck.


Posted by: Uthinkso

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Did the doc say anywhere in the plan that he is gonna wean you off the meds? I mean, i'm no doc, hell i'm not even a nurse yet but it seems that your fasting blood sugar was very minimally elevated and if your A1C came back normal i would think a long term plan should include dietary/lifestyle changes and avoid chronic medication administration. Its the one thing i hate about the medical world, especially in regards to diabetes. They would rather pump you full of insulin and shit rather than tell you to get your act together and eat cleaner, avoid alcohol etc...but noooo, insurance companies won't make money if you eat well to control your blood sugar, and its just too big of an inconvenience for most people to get their diet together, they'd rather just pop pills and shoot up insulin so they can eat like shit and go out drinking. Sorry for the rant but i got into a huge argument with my professor about controlling blood sugar, the lady's been a nurse for like 20 years and has never heard of the glycemic/insulin index

I have such mixed feelings about the profession i'm going into. Its great and i love doing it but when you look passed the BS they teach you and realize how much of it is about money and not necessarily to make people better it makes you a little depressed and sick simultaneously (its depressing enough being around dying people all the time damnit!). I just can't wait to get my master's and become an Nurse Practitioner, go into private practice and try to actually solve people's underlying problems instead of just curing the symptoms.

Absolutely under no circumstances do I plan to stay on the Metformin. If you read back to the begining of this post, you will see that I do eat clean and was losing weight for the better part of six months when all hell broke loose. His diagnosis is that "something" caused a testosterone imbalance in my body which in turn raised my body fat and has pushed me into a "borderline" diabetic state. The second fasting levels were 131 first time they were 117, so we split the difference and call it 124 or so. Not terrible but it should be in the 90's and I'm under 30 so this requires attention.

The meds are a helper not a solution. I share a lot of your same ideas on meds and while I agree they have their place, they aren't to be used as a supplement.


Posted by: Uthinkso

I just read this article, its a convincing piece and really fits my situation. I have a 335 test count and I have fat that try as I might I just can't lose. Opinions please...

Got Fat? Pass the Testosterone Please! | Mind and Muscle


Posted by: Yanick

Nice theory in the article but no ideas on how to implement it to get the benefits people might be looking for.

You seem to be a good case study to support the evidence that guy put forth. Keep good records and see how everything goes.


Posted by: Uthinkso

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Nice theory in the article but no ideas on how to implement it to get the benefits people might be looking for.

You seem to be a good case study to support the evidence that guy put forth. Keep good records and see how everything goes.

My thoughts exactly, in that I make for a good case study.

The metformin is working well for me already, that and I've changed my diet in that I don't consume any carbs after 8pm. Looking at my sugar levels, it showed that my fasting sugar was elevated which indicates and issue in how my body metabolizes glucose. Which why I cut it off. I've lost a quick 10lbs in two weeks here, but it all seems to be off my stomach. I've been taking measurements to indicate where I'm losing from and its noticably smaller.

I'll be interested to see what the testosterone does.


Posted by: Uthinkso

Ok 10-21-07 had a bit of an issue with my insurance and getting the script covered for my testosterone. Man that stuff is expensive without insurance, luckily my company stepped up. They wanted to see test results, etc.

I go in to my doctor this week to go through the procedure on how to inject it correctly. They do the first one, then I go back and do the second one in front of them. Then I can do them at home, which will be nice.

With the Metformin I've lost 10lb and feel a little better, it does seem to make me tired through out the day. That could also be lingering amounts of the Rozarem in my system from the night before though.

I've stayed with the diet and stayed in the gym. I've upped the cardio to a minimum of 30min and a max of 1hr. That seems to be helping a bit as well. I've also removed almost all dairy from my diet, and lowered my carbs to between 50-75g daily. The carb change is a new thing, so it may be too early to tell on that.

I'm staying optomistic about the injections and that they will be able to help me, once I get my levels stabilized. I've never injected myself with anything but I'm sure I'll get used to it once I get over nervous feeling. I'm sure I'll be fine.


Posted by: Uthinkso

10-25-07
Went to the docs today and had my first test shot. It was 400mg/2cc of Testosterone Cypianate. The doctors office wants to do the first four shots. Also they injected in the glute instead of the quad as previously mentioned.

What surprised me was the amount of time it takes for the test to get in the body. An honest 30 seconds, which was surprising but test is more of an oil than a water based liquid.

Outside of a glute that stung for an hour or so, no change as of yet. We shall see.

Weight today 253lb, no idea on body fat at the moment. Perhaps I should start a new journal. I think I will.


Posted by: IainDaniel

is that 400mg a week?


Posted by: Uthinkso

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is that 400mg a week?
No sir that is 400mg every three weeks. We're trying this level for eight weeks. Then I go for more blood work to see where the level is at. If its still low he will raise it, if its good he will know we're in a good place. I gather that for maintenance he will take it down a touch, but that remains to be seen.


Posted by: IainDaniel

Ok I was like wholly fuck. I want a doc to prescrib 400/week


Posted by: Uthinkso

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Ok I was like wholly fuck. I want a doc to prescrib 400/week
No I think I'd have to be sprouting breasts and carrying a purse to get that kind of dose. At least from a doctor.

This dose is too small to have any anabolic effect per say, but I do feel much more upbeat today. In an odd way, and its hard to describe I feel very confident. I'm sure its no effect of the shot, just a good day.



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