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Originally Posted by Mindset26
Just curious about your thoughts on this.
I'm about 225lbs now but I'm not a giant by any means. As I began to get more muscular throughout the years, I noticed a peculiar thing happening. It seemed that the more muscle I put on, the more unappealing looks and comments I would get from women who were in shape. And on the other hand, as I got bigger, very full figured women became more and more attracted to me. I once got into an elevator and a hot chick looked at me and cringed, shaking her head. The large women at work smiled at me one day on a break and asked if they could call me ' beefcake' lol. They always flirt with me. As a result, My dates are always with larger women. Not that I'm complaining or anything but has anybody experiences this kind of thing? Why do most larger ladies seem to go after muscular, bigger guys? |
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Originally Posted by TCAP28
Really? I thought all women love muscles.
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Originally Posted by TCAP28
Really? I thought all women love muscles.
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Originally Posted by Jodi
Not at all. Most women hate muscle. They want the athletic trim look, and have no desire for the muscular look at all.
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Originally Posted by vortrit
I actually noticed that too the bigger I got. I actually only weight about 200 lbs. with about 10% body fat, but I'm not sure I want to even get any bigger. Actually maybe more cut if anything. I notice more women checking me out and really good looking ones even if I were to cut 5 lbs. I thought it was strange...
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Originally Posted by DOMS
You live in the US. Here, if you don't have a gut, the women notice you.
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Originally Posted by vortrit
True. I actually notice women off all ages checking me out, and all sizes. I don't care. It's good since I used to be pretty chunky and they all ignored me. I don't have a gut at all though. If I wear a t shirt not tucked in it hangs off my chest...
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Originally Posted by DOMS
Yeah, same here. The more I get into shape, the most I catch women checking me out.
I don't think the obesity problem in the US is as bad as the media makes it out, but when you have muscle, you rise above the norm in a white collar society. |
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Originally Posted by Jodi
Here is another: Are Muscular Men More Attractive?
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Originally Posted by vortrit
I also notice a married woman or woman with her boyfriend check me out once in awhile while he's not paying attention.
Dammit! I'm just eye candy! lawl. j/k. |
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Originally Posted by DOMS
It feels good, don't it?
There was this mid-20s women who was with her grandmother. I saw, out of the corner of my eye, that she was trying to get her granddaughter to come over and talk to me because she caught her staring at me. Hell, I had a chick flash me. I consider stuff like that to be independent validation of my efforts. |
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Originally Posted by DOMS
That's a much better link than the first one.
The study has some interesting results. But consider that most people don't truly know what they want in a person. I find people to be fascinating. I read a study in which people filled out a questionnaire on what they wanted in the potential date. The funny thing was that, once in an environment where they could meet people of the opposite sex, most went for a type different from what they put on the questionnaire. After the dating activity passed, they filled out the same questionnaire. This time, they selected a person more in line with the type that they went after in the dating activity. A month later, they filled out the same questionnaire. The type of person they selected was similar to the one they picked before the dating activity. People really don't know what the want until it's right in front of them. |
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Originally Posted by Jodi
Oh, I agree. I read other articles where women said they were attracted to muscle but would never choose them as a companion because they don't feel that they would be partners. They said stuff about how the women felt their self esteem would diminish, their partners would care about themselves more than them and that they are more likely to cheat.
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Originally Posted by Jodi
Here is one of the articles. Women drawn to men with muscles | Oddly Enough | Reuters
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Originally Posted by vortrit
^^^ let's keep that on the downlow though. I want people to think I'm having sex.
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Originally Posted by Burner02
hows this...you're having sex all the time...now you are ready to have it with other people....
heh...sorry...heard that on a movie once...thought it was funny! |
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Originally Posted by DOMS
Is that really true? Or is that the same way that a lot of guys say that they don't really want a high-end car? Not because they don't really like it, but because they believe, deep down, that they'll never have one.
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Im with you on that one. My ex defined why she goes for ugly guys over good looking guys and without getting into detail, she said it was insecurity.
In all reality, Ive always noticed fat/ugly women being more direct than more attractive girls. Attractive girls dont have to do any approaching. In fact, they dont do as much "checking out." Whether when I was small or now, Ive always had 5 fat girls hit on me to 1 hot girl. Personally, I want a girl that IS hot. I dont use self-defeat thoughts about not ever getting one either. It baffles me when i see hot girls with ridiculous looking hookups. However, everyone knows, that that guy would do ANYTHING for her...cuz what are the chances an average guy would get ANOTHER hot girl again? |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Im with you on that one. My ex defined why she goes for ugly guys over good looking guys and without getting into detail, she said it was insecurity.
In all reality, Ive always noticed fat/ugly women being more direct than more attractive girls. Attractive girls dont have to do any approaching. In fact, they dont do as much "checking out." Whether when I was small or now, Ive always had 5 fat girls hit on me to 1 hot girl. Personally, I want a girl that IS hot. I dont use self-defeat thoughts about not ever getting one either. It baffles me when i see hot girls with ridiculous looking hookups. However, everyone knows, that that guy would do ANYTHING for her...cuz what are the chances an average guy would get ANOTHER hot girl again? |
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Originally Posted by KelJu
Girls don't care about looks as much as us guys do.
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Originally Posted by KelJu
Girls don't care about looks as much as us guys do. That ridiculous hookup probably had other things to offer.
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Originally Posted by vortrit
That's what they SAY anyway. I honestly don't think that's totally true. I have a college degree, a really good job, etc., and I can't get a girlfriend for shit. I'm not saying I'm all that amazing or anything but I've got more to offer than the average joe especially in the town I live in. And other than having a nice body I'm really not that attractive.
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Originally Posted by DOMS
You'd be surprised how much a very confident attitude will add to your attractiveness. Women are more attune to body language than men are. They can sense a confident man.
So, how's your self-confidence? |
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Originally Posted by DOMS
Keep working on it. Because, if you're goal is to get the ladies, they'll sense that you're not that self-confident. And people that lack self-confidence generally don't make the big bucks or get things done.
A tip: Fake it 'till you make it. |
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Originally Posted by KelJu
Girls don't care about looks as much as us guys do. That ridiculous hookup probably had other things to offer.
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Originally Posted by DOMS
Keep working on it. Because, if you're goal is to get the ladies, they'll sense that you're not that self-confident. And people that lack self-confidence generally don't make the big bucks or get things done.
A tip: Fake it 'till you make it. |
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Originally Posted by vortrit
But to be honest I'm not sure it's so much of a confidence problem so much as a location problem.
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Eh. I didnt want to go on a tangent, but I know. Money, stability, etc.
I just find that...well, immoral. A woman can call me shallow for wanting this and that when it comes to looks, but put the shoe on the other foot and a woman isnt just shallow, shes got elevation! Then next thing you know, time passes by and they end up cheating on that average rich chump with <GASP> a guy with good looks! Males are notorious for trying to simplify things..and for good reason. Its a tried and true concept. Find the best looking mate should be the first priority. After the looks lose their excitement (like 10 years after buying that hot exotic car), lets then see how their emotions and personality meshes with you. If it doesnt, go buy a newer car. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
What do you mean?
In this town, I notice the same shit I see back home, just more of it...cuz well theres more people! Of course then again, in this town, even the fatties have some misplaced arrogance. I met a girl that I spoke through friends on myspace. Eh, before I met her in person, I saw her pics and she had the hugest, nicest tits Ive seen here! I couldnt believe my friends knew her! So, I registered interest at met her at a local club. Needless to say, she was big. Her tits might have helped her out on that cuz they were fake triple D tits. They looked wonderful, but when I looked at the rest of her, regardless of her chest size, she was pushing 200lbs. I just got done fucking a woman pushing around that weight, I do NOT want to do that again. However..Ive never seen fake triple Ds... So I thought Id talk to her and see if she was a nice person. But she played some hard to get game...I was baffled. My curiosity didnt overshadow my pride, so I left the club wondering why the tubbie wasnt even friendly. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
So I thought Id talk to her and see if she was a nice person. But she played some hard to get game...I was baffled. My curiosity didnt overshadow my pride, so I left the club wondering why the tubbie wasnt even friendly.
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Originally Posted by Burner02
wow....deal w/ that here. Not to sound bad...but this town seems to be a single mother drop off point.
The male/female ration is WAY off balance here: 5 military installations here. WAY too many guys. So....women that really aren't all 'that'....come off w/ attitudes...'cause they can. (This is why I'm moving in the spring) |
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Originally Posted by vortrit
Good luck. I wouldn't mind moving but I'm stuck here, so I'll just hope for the best.
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Originally Posted by KelJu
I agree a 100%. I was not placing a moral standard on any of the factors of attraction. A woman that wants a guy because he is financially and emotionally stable is no better than a girl who wants a guy because he is hot. In both cases the woman wants something from the guy. Bottom line is that both sexes are attracted first by looks, then the rest of the package later.
The proof is in the pudding. I have had very little luck with women until just recently. I completely changed my look, got rid of the beard, clean shaved my face everyday, got a new haircut, then had a professional braid my goatee. I forked over some cash and got some nice shirts and some nice jeans with a nice pair of shoes. For the past 2 weeks, hot ass nubiles have been attracted to me like moths to a street light. At bayfest this weekend, at least 20 hot girls approached me instead of me approaching them. I was there to practice material and hear some good bands in the process. But, instead of approaching I was constantly being approached. Saturday night I was there for less than 10 minutes when three girls asked me for a cigarette. The next question was did my bridge piercing hurt. After talking for a bit the girls all told me how hot my braids were. They then asked me if I wanted to hang out with them. I did for about 30 minutes, but then ran out of material and couldn't think of anything to say, so I cashed out while I was ahead and told them I had to find my friends and said bye. This pattern occurred over and over. The usual fat girl attraction phenomena never occurred. Perhaps they now thought I was out of their league, and the better looking girls now saw me as a suitable candidate. I put a lot of work into the new look. I spent all day at the mall looking for perfect fit cloths that highlighted my best attributes. I am not a smiler, but I have been forcing myself to smile until it feels natural. The material I have been studying says a great smile is a characteristic of an Alpha Male. Other characteristics are:
Now the guy you speak of that looked ridiculous might not have had good looks, but maybe he had the other characteristics. If he could ever get in long enough to win the girl over with his wit, than he is set where as I can open the set easily, but can't go the distance. I have achieved the best success now that I am able to look at dating and social interaction from an academic standpoint. I know that was one hell of a tangent, but it does all tie together. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Thats some good shit going on there. I am glad you got rid of the beard. On paper, Ive never heard ANY girls say they liked it. But it beats shaving. However, thats the price. I know someone that needs to follow this advice.
Did you get this info from Mystery? |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Thats some good shit going on there. I am glad you got rid of the beard. On paper, Ive never heard ANY girls say they liked it. But it beats shaving. However, thats the price. I know someone that needs to follow this advice.
Did you get this info from Mystery? |
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Originally Posted by ReproMan
I have 2 months of beard on my face. |
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Originally Posted by Tatyana
You sound lovely hun
Good looking men are nice, it is fun initially going out, looking great together. I have dated a couple of male models (Health and Fitness cover models), but when they turn out to be as smart as a bag of hair, no thank you. Personally, I like really big muscular men, but how they look is not enough though. I may be unusual as a woman, but my brain is my biggest erogenous zone. I would think that full-figured girls would go for big men as they think they will not 'break' them |
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Originally Posted by Mindset26
Why do most larger ladies seem to go after muscular, bigger guys?
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Originally Posted by KelJu
I agree a 100%. I was not placing a moral standard on any of the factors of attraction. A woman that wants a guy because he is financially and emotionally stable is no better than a girl who wants a guy because he is hot. In both cases the woman wants something from the guy. Bottom line is that both sexes are attracted first by looks, then the rest of the package later.
The proof is in the pudding. I have had very little luck with women until just recently. I completely changed my look, got rid of the beard, clean shaved my face everyday, got a new haircut, then had a professional braid my goatee. I forked over some cash and got some nice shirts and some nice jeans with a nice pair of shoes. For the past 2 weeks, hot ass nubiles have been attracted to me like moths to a street light. At bayfest this weekend, at least 20 hot girls approached me instead of me approaching them. I was there to practice material and hear some good bands in the process. But, instead of approaching I was constantly being approached. Saturday night I was there for less than 10 minutes when three girls asked me for a cigarette. The next question was did my bridge piercing hurt. After talking for a bit the girls all told me how hot my braids were. They then asked me if I wanted to hang out with them. I did for about 30 minutes, but then ran out of material and couldn't think of anything to say, so I cashed out while I was ahead and told them I had to find my friends and said bye. This pattern occurred over and over. The usual fat girl attraction phenomena never occurred. Perhaps they now thought I was out of their league, and the better looking girls now saw me as a suitable candidate. I put a lot of work into the new look. I spent all day at the mall looking for perfect fit cloths that highlighted my best attributes. I am not a smiler, but I have been forcing myself to smile until it feels natural. The material I have been studying says a great smile is a characteristic of an Alpha Male. Other characteristics are:
Now the guy you speak of that looked ridiculous might not have had good looks, but maybe he had the other characteristics. If he could ever get in long enough to win the girl over with his wit, than he is set where as I can open the set easily, but can't go the distance. I have achieved the best success now that I am able to look at dating and social interaction from an academic standpoint. I know that was one hell of a tangent, but it does all tie together. |
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Originally Posted by Mindset26
Just curious about your thoughts on this.
I'm about 225lbs now but I'm not a giant by any means. As I began to get more muscular throughout the years, I noticed a peculiar thing happening. It seemed that the more muscle I put on, the more unappealing looks and comments I would get from women who were in shape. And on the other hand, as I got bigger, very full figured women became more and more attracted to me. I once got into an elevator and a hot chick looked at me and cringed, shaking her head. The large women at work smiled at me one day on a break and asked if they could call me ' beefcake' lol. They always flirt with me. As a result, My dates are always with larger women. Not that I'm complaining or anything but has anybody experiences this kind of thing? Why do most larger ladies seem to go after muscular, bigger guys? |
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Originally Posted by femalemuscle
Are u talking larger as in muscular women or are they soft and big?
Im a female bodybuilder and I am attracted to men that are more like my in physique. Small "male model" type guys totally turn me off. I like a man who can handle me. just my .02 |
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Originally Posted by femalemuscle
"A man who can handle me" meaning a guy that can handle a lil "cowgirl" or "reverse cowgirl" without whining that im too strong.
Hope that clears it up. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Thats some good shit going on there. I am glad you got rid of the beard. On paper, Ive never heard ANY girls say they liked it. But it beats shaving. However, thats the price. I know someone that needs to follow this advice.
Did you get this info from Mystery? |
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Originally Posted by KelJu
I agree a 100%. I was not placing a moral standard on any of the factors of attraction. A woman that wants a guy because he is financially and emotionally stable is no better than a girl who wants a guy because he is hot. In both cases the woman wants something from the guy. Bottom line is that both sexes are attracted first by looks, then the rest of the package later.
The proof is in the pudding. I have had very little luck with women until just recently. I completely changed my look, got rid of the beard, clean shaved my face everyday, got a new haircut, then had a professional braid my goatee. I forked over some cash and got some nice shirts and some nice jeans with a nice pair of shoes. For the past 2 weeks, hot ass nubiles have been attracted to me like moths to a street light. At bayfest this weekend, at least 20 hot girls approached me instead of me approaching them. I was there to practice material and hear some good bands in the process. But, instead of approaching I was constantly being approached. Saturday night I was there for less than 10 minutes when three girls asked me for a cigarette. The next question was did my bridge piercing hurt. After talking for a bit the girls all told me how hot my braids were. They then asked me if I wanted to hang out with them. I did for about 30 minutes, but then ran out of material and couldn't think of anything to say, so I cashed out while I was ahead and told them I had to find my friends and said bye. This pattern occurred over and over. The usual fat girl attraction phenomena never occurred. Perhaps they now thought I was out of their league, and the better looking girls now saw me as a suitable candidate. I put a lot of work into the new look. I spent all day at the mall looking for perfect fit cloths that highlighted my best attributes. I am not a smiler, but I have been forcing myself to smile until it feels natural. The material I have been studying says a great smile is a characteristic of an Alpha Male. Other characteristics are:
Now the guy you speak of that looked ridiculous might not have had good looks, but maybe he had the other characteristics. If he could ever get in long enough to win the girl over with his wit, than he is set where as I can open the set easily, but can't go the distance. I have achieved the best success now that I am able to look at dating and social interaction from an academic standpoint. I know that was one hell of a tangent, but it does all tie together. |