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Posted by: DOMS

The original article is over at the LA Times website. I get along better with blacks because, for the first time in a long time, I've come to the realization that, black or white, we're all Americans. The Mexicans aren't and they're bringing their low, third-world, style of living to the US and are really fucking things up.

Now, the article:

Battle over the drug trade has led to escalating violence in Florence-Firestone.

As the story goes, the East Coast Crips robbed a Florencia 13 drug connection of a large quantity of dope nearly a decade ago. Since then, the tale of how a black street gang ripped off a Latino rival has taken on mythic proportions.

But to this day police are uncertain if the fabled heist ever occurred.

"You hear so many different variations of this crime," said Terry Burgin, a Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department gang detective. "Who knows what really happened? [But] the effects are tremendous."

Over the years, the two rival gangs have battled over control of the drug trade in Florence-Firestone, an unincorporated neighborhood north of Watts.

The feud has escalated into what many residents call a race war.

It used to be that innocent bystanders were not targeted, said Chris Le Grande, pastor of Great Hope Fellowship in Faith, one of Florence-Firestone's largest black churches. "Now it's deliberate. 'I'm deliberately shooting you because of your color.' "

On Tuesday, the U.S. attorney's office announced a sweeping indictment against more than 60 members of Florencia 13, accusing the Latino gang of waging a violent campaign to drive out African American rivals. Once primarily black, the working class community of 60,000 today is mostly Latino.

But some say that's only part of the truth. The war has two sides, said Robert Ramirez, a Florencia 13 gang member.

"I'm not going to say we're angels, but it's 50-50," he said, as fellow gang members sprayed walls with Florencia graffiti. " 'Any black, shoot on sight?' -- it's not true. Nobody likes a racist person."

The neighborhood saw 41 homicides in 2005, surpassing the homicide rate in some of the nation's most dangerous big cities, authorities said. About half of those killed had no gang affiliation.

Homicides dropped to 19 last year after a major law enforcement crackdown that led to 230 felony arrests and the seizure of 130 weapons. But the level of violence remains high.

Authorities attribute the neighborhood's gang troubles in large part to the huge demographic shift that occurred in this economically depressed community over the last 20 years, tipping the balance of power from black to Latino and turning it into a tinderbox of racial tensions.

That kind of demographic shift has occurred in many parts of Southern California, but Florence-Firestone is one of the places where it has turned violent. The violence threatens an economic revival that has begun to revitalize the neighborhood.

Mexican Mafia strategy

For years, the two rival gangs resisted outside pressures to go to war, according to those active in Florencia in the 1990s.

Like many black and Latino gangs, they ignored each other during the worst gang years of the late '80s and early '90s. Instead, they focused on attacking rivals of their own race.

But during the mid-'90s, the Mexican Mafia prison gang began directing Latino gangs to stop fighting each other, to "tax" drug dealers and to push blacks from their neighborhoods, according to numerous gang members and law enforcement officers.

Florencia, in particular, had warred for years with 38th Street, a Latino gang to the north.

But under the new rules, Florencia was forced to get along with rival Latino gangs and once even played a pickup football game with 38th Street, said one Florencia gang member who requested anonymity out of fear for his safety.

The Mexican Mafia "didn't understand how it worked," he said. "I hate 38th Street. I didn't have no problem with the guys from East Coast because I grew up with them. It's kind of hard to say, 'Now I'm going to. . . kill this black guy just because he's black.' But that's how they wanted to do it."

In 1996 tensions erupted when members of a gang associated with East Coast Crips, known as the 6-5 Hustlers, killed a Florencia member.

After some retaliation, the gangs held a peace summit at Parmelee Elementary School one night, and that "kind of squashed everything," the gang member said.

But the fighting resumed when word, perhaps mythical, spread about the East Coast Crips' drug rip-off of Florencia

Race, gang rivalry and drugs have become impossibly tangled as motives in killings and assaults in the neighborhood, authorities and residents say. The result: a gangland version of racial profiling.

"They just see a young man of the opposite race and they shoot," said Olivia Rosales, a former hate-crime prosecutor, who prosecuted all the East Coast-Florencia murder cases for the last two years. "They don't stop to question whether or not they are a member of the gang."

Of the 20 cases she prosecuted, said Rosales, who now runs the district attorney's Whittier office, "most of the victims have not been members of the rival gang."

Demetrius Perry, 22, was shot to death by Latinos yelling a gang epithet as he played basketball in January at Drew Middle School, witnesses said.

"We used to kick it with" Latinos, said Perry's father, Benny, who is black and grew up in the area. "Now you constantly hear about it: This is their land first and they've come to take it back."

Timothy Slack, who lives a few blocks from Great Hope Fellowship church, said Latino gang members often drive by shooting at blacks. He doesn't allow his kids to go to the store and he never uses alleys anymore.

Slack grew up in Florence-Firestone when it was mostly black and had few Latinos.

Back then, "they were timid," he said. "But as their numbers started getting bigger, then they started trying to be tougher. They started thinking they could demand stuff."

But non-gang-affiliated Latinos have also been killed.

In 2005, Alejandro Barrales was on his way to work at his family's restaurant when he was shot to death allegedly by Crips while in his car at a stop sign.

Gabino Lopez, 52, was killed that year while walking to a mini-market for a beer after work. A youth who reportedly wanted to join the Crips is charged with his killing.

In the neighborhood where Lopez was killed, people no longer sit outside in the evening, said his daughter, Mayra Lopez.

"You never know when you're going to be the next target," she said.

Economy looking up

All of this comes as Florence-Firestone is beginning to rebound from a prolonged economic depression that began with the Watts riots in 1965. For years after, say longtime residents, no new housing or commercial development was built.

Today, a new shopping center is going in at Alameda Street and Florence Avenue, and rows of town houses are rising on Gage Avenue.

But "the gang war puts a damper on everything that you do here," said Joe Titus, 79, who was born in Florence-Firestone and volunteers with several community organizations. "You don't want to go out at night."

Fewer people ride bikes; fewer children play outside after school. Movable basketball stanchions, once ubiquitous in driveways, are gone.

Irv Sitkoff, a local pharmacist, said people of one race complain if his employees attend faster to people of the other race.

"You've got to very careful," he said. "Before, we didn't think about it."

Sitkoff said his pharmacy has sold grim supplies to customers because of neighborhood violence: more colostomy bags, for example.

One Latino mother bought antidepressant medication from him for many months after her son, an innocent bystander, was killed by a black gang, Sitkoff said.

"She didn't talk directly about it, but there's fear," he said. "How could there not be? I have black families who are the same way."

Meanwhile, the exodus continues. More black families depart every year for Palmdale or the Inland Empire. Some cliques of the East Coast Crips in the neighborhood don't exist any more.

One former black gang member said he hasn't left Florence-Firestone because he still has family and property there.

But "it's going to come a time when everybody's going to have to leave," he said. "Everybody's going to have to go."

Posted by: HialeahChico305

dont take this to heart but...........do you consider yourself racist?

Posted by: goob

Oh, no.... here theyre be tigers a-comin'

Posted by: KelJu

DOMS is a proud raciest.

Posted by: goob

Originally Posted by KelJu

DOMS is a proud 'raciest'.

=A 'racist athiest' for those that don't know.

Posted by: RexStunnahH

Pretty cool article,I remember hearing on the news something about some beef between latinos and blacks at a high school because of walking out of asssemblies and stuff....

Posted by: HialeahChico305

Originally Posted by DOMS

The original article is over at the LA Times website. I get along better with blacks because, for the first time in a long time, I've come to the realization that, black or white, we're all Americans. The Mexicans aren't and they're bringing their low, third-world, style of living to the US and are really fucking things up.

I asked if he considered himself racist because he states that he gets along better with blacks now.........which probably means he dint get along with them before.

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by HialeahChico305

dont take this to heart but...........do you consider yourself racist?

Yep. Though I'm getting better.

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by goob

=A 'racist athiest' for those that don't know.

Really? I thought that he meant I'm a racey (kinda sexy) racist person.

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by HialeahChico305

I asked if he considered himself racist because he states that he gets along better with blacks now.........which probably means he dint get along with them before.

You, sir, are correct!

Posted by: Little Wing

shit comes in every color. until we stop being soft on crime and criminals this is just going to get worse and spread further. you know the warden that keeps the prisoners in tents? i say we hire him to design detention centers for illegals. you're here illegally you go there no if ands or buts for a minimum of 1 year. you get caught again 2 years etc. the place be as self sustaining as possible as in farming to provide their own food and oh yea. we slave them out and use any profits to pay ourselves back for the cost of running the detention center etc.

Posted by: Little Wing

camp 2, being a gang member gets you there. that being crime enough in itself. you're all thrown in together so you either kill each other or learn it isn't worth it.

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by Little Wing

shit comes in every color. until we stop being soft on crime and criminals this is just going to get worse and spread further. you know the warden that keeps the prisoners in tents? i say we hire him to design detention centers for illegals. you're here illegally you go there no if ands or buts for a minimum of 1 year. you get caught again 2 years etc. the place be as self sustaining as possible as in farming to provide their own food and oh yea. we slave them out and use any profits to pay ourselves back for the cost of running the detention center etc.

Feed the dead ones to the live ones.

Posted by: Little Wing

Originally Posted by DOMS

Feed the dead ones to the live ones.

medical students need corpses.

Posted by: maniclion

Originally Posted by RexStunnahH

Pretty cool article,I remember hearing on the news something about some beef between latinos and blacks at a high school because of walking out of asssemblies and stuff....

My High School in Houston used to have major race riots all the time...The Mexican gangsta wanna-bes would all swarm on the Negro Gangsta Wanna-bes, and that wasn't even the worst part of Houston...When I lived in the more worse parts of Houston it seemed the blacks and Mexicans got along better, maybe because that was all there were with only a handful of whites

Posted by: HialeahChico305

Originally Posted by DOMS

Yep. Though I'm getting better.

so you actually jugde a book by its cover........... one more question will you fuck a good lookin mexican immigrant female?

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by HialeahChico305

so you actually jugde a book by its cover........... one more question will you fuck a good lookin mexican immigrant female?

I'm moving on from racism to nationalism.

No. Not gonna happen. Not even if she shaves her sideburns.

Posted by: goob

Originally Posted by HialeahChico305

so you actually jugde a book by its cover........... one more question will you fuck a good lookin mexican immigrant female?

Yes. Hell yes.

Posted by: HialeahChico305

Originally Posted by goob

Yes. Hell yes.

im with you on that one............I woulnt turn down good pussy just because of her nationality.

Posted by: bigss75

Originally Posted by HialeahChico305

so you actually jugde a book by its cover........... one more question will you fuck a good lookin mexican immigrant female?

He doesn't bang pregos

Posted by: Little Wing

Originally Posted by bigss75

He doesn't bang pregos

and i'm quite certain having a half mexican son isn't in his plans.

Posted by: RexStunnahH

Originally Posted by Little Wing

shit comes in every color. until we stop being soft on crime and criminals this is just going to get worse and spread further. you know the warden that keeps the prisoners in tents? i say we hire him to design detention centers for illegals. you're here illegally you go there no if ands or buts for a minimum of 1 year. you get caught again 2 years etc. the place be as self sustaining as possible as in farming to provide their own food and oh yea. we slave them out and use any profits to pay ourselves back for the cost of running the detention center etc.

Now Thats an Idea to consider......BTW-The Guy that keeps them in Tents...isnt he the one that makes them wear pink under garments? Out somewhere like New Mexico or Arizona?

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by Little Wing

and i'm quite certain having a half mexican son isn't in his plans.

A half Mexican son, you say? That's easily fixed.

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by RexStunnahH

Now Thats an Idea to consider......BTW-The Guy that keeps them in Tents...isnt he the one that makes them wear pink under garments? Out somewhere like New Mexico or Arizona?

That's Sheriff Joe Arpaio. The way he cuts back on spending for the inmates makes Jews look like Santa.

He's pretty damn great! So, it's 120 degrees? Tough luck, air conditioners cost money.

Posted by: brogers

I saw a stat on a TV special that said illegals murder about 10,000 people every year in the US, which is more than the terrorists killed on 9/11, and more than the troops which have died in Iraq+Afghanistan.

I haven't attempted to verify it, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised

Posted by: DOMS

Originally Posted by brogers

I saw a stat on a TV special that said illegals murder about 10,000 people every year in the US, which is more than the terrorists killed on 9/11, and more than the troops which have died in Iraq+Afghanistan.

I haven't attempted to verify it, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised

It's estimated that over 90% of all Mexican gang members are here illegally. So that stat probably has some truth to it.

Posted by: vortrit

Originally Posted by DOMS

A half Mexican son, you say? That's easily fixed.

I don't know if I should laugh or cry. Maybe I'll laugh so hard I cry.

Posted by: Big Smoothy

Originally Posted by DOMS

The original article is over at the LA Times website. I get along better with blacks because, for the first time in a long time, I've come to the realization that, black or white, we're all Americans. The Mexicans aren't and they're bringing their low, third-world, style of living to the US and are really fucking things up.

I totally agree.

Look at the economic and political situations in the Latin American countries.

The population of Mexico is 108 million. Increasing influxes, and higher birth rates by Mexicans inside the USA will further America's decline and exacerbate the erosion of US culture and economy.

The drop-out rate of Hispanics in US high schools is 50%.

And Kelju, DOM's post and article is not racist at all. The race card is only used by Mexicans and a few supporters of opening the borders, and it isn't working to shape public opinion like it did in the 1990s.

Posted by: JB20

[QUOTE=Little Wing;1697518]shit comes in every color. /QUOTE]

But, some colors are more prone to being shit

By 2090, America will be 25% white

Posted by: lnvanry

Originally Posted by DOMS

That's Sheriff Joe Arpaio. The way he cuts back on spending for the inmates makes Jews look like Santa.

He's pretty damn great! So, it's 120 degrees? Tough luck, air conditioners cost money.

For the time being Sheriff Joe is the man at my home in Maricopa Co. but with the demographic trend today....he won't be for long. The more latino voters and the more Californians from LA that move here, the more likely Sheriff joe will lose his job in the next 5 years.

Oh yeah...back to the OP.

Who really gives a crap if gang bangers are killing each other? They can implement the cities social enema themselves...now when the violence spills out of the ghetto or barrio....then we got a problem.

Posted by: lnvanry

[quote=JB20;1765459]

Originally Posted by Little Wing

shit comes in every color. /QUOTE]

But, some colors are more prone to being shit

By 2090, America will be 25% white

have some statistical data to prove that? You can't honestly expect the current demographic growth trends of the past 20 years to continue for the next 80? Things will eventually taper off.

Posted by: JB20

[QUOTE=lnvanry;1765527]

Originally Posted by JB20

have some statistical data to prove that? You can't honestly expect the current demographic growth trends of the past 20 years to continue for the next 80? Things will eventually taper off.

They say the current white population in America is around 65%, but they count Hispanics as whites despite the fact they are mixture of blacks. World wide, Whites have zero population growth. USA Population: 2090 estimate

Posted by: clemson357

Originally Posted by DOMS

It's estimated that over 90% of all Mexican gang members are here illegally. So that stat probably has some truth to it.

I'm sure its a coincidence that we have a huge influx of Hispanic immigrants and also a huge rise in Hispanic gangs.

Posted by: natural^

all the mexican immigration stuff is a big deal in texas. i dont really know if i support the redneck texans forming their own group and shooting down some mexicans trying to cross the border...i would'nt really have a problem with them crossing but most here dont want to speak or learn english and they expect a job and what not...
as for blacks..i have like one black friend, because they all take everything so racial now..if i said hey lets go to KFC theyd be like what the fuck cause im black we are gonna go to KFC?!

yeah..
but im not racist..kinda

Posted by: danzik17

At least with Italian criminals we got one of the best movie trilogies of all time. The Hispanic gangs haven't contributed anything

Posted by: brogers

scarface

Posted by: Nate K

[QUOTE=JB20;1765751]

Originally Posted by lnvanry

Mixture of blacks?? No you tard

No, mexicans are mostly a mix of native americans and spaniards.

Posted by: JB20

[QUOTE=Nate K;1766098]

Originally Posted by JB20

Mixture of blacks?? No you tard

No, mexicans are mostly a mix of native americans and spaniards.

They are a mixture of white, asian, and black

Posted by: DOMS

Who told you that?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

I like burritos.

Posted by: DaMayor

[QUOTE=JB20;1766322]

Originally Posted by Nate K

They are a mixture of white, asian, and black

YouTube Video

Posted by: Nate K

The quotes in this thread are all screwed up

It is putting the wrong name in there and it didn't use the right quote in my post

Posted by: Nate K

wtf

Posted by: DOMS

It's called "pilot error."

Posted by: lnvanry

Originally Posted by Nate K

Mixture of blacks?? No you tard

No, mexicans are mostly a mix of native americans and spaniards.

for the record I never stated that

Posted by: Mudge

Mexicans should not be confused with South Americans, thats where you'll encounter some mulados.

Posted by: Big Smoothy

[QUOTE=JB20;1766322]

Originally Posted by Nate K

They are a mixture of white, asian, and black

Mexican are a mixture of Native American and European Spanish descent.

Called "Mestizos" which means mixed.

The "Ladinos" are the more "white" Mexicans that tend to control the government and economy.

And no, Mexicans are not a mixture of Asian and Black. Asian didn't immigrate nor colonize Mexico. There are no blacks in mexico. They are in Belize.

Posted by: JB20

[QUOTE=Big Smoothy;1766484]

Originally Posted by JB20

Native Americans are a group of people who came from Asia

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/P...ito_wwe001.jpg Mulatto?

Posted by: Nate K

this pilot error stuff is horrible

Posted by: Big Smoothy

I encourage all white people to go to "stormfront.org" and register as a member if they are white.

It's not about racism, but about white people being aware of themselves and who they are.

PM me if o have questions. It's only a forum. But you can learn.

Posted by: danny81

dats not good cuz if more mexicans come then all the black gangs are gunna get run out

Posted by: goob

Originally Posted by danny81

dats not good cuz if more mexicans come then all the black gangs are gunna get run out

Don't worry, your crew will take down any gang, even the mafia and yakuza.

I heard that the triads in NYC also fear your crew?

Posted by: danny81

no not rly. mafia wud proly fuck us up. luckily my crew has mad domincans so they wud be cool

Posted by: maniclion

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

I encourage all white people to go to "stormfront.org" and register as a member if they are white.

It's not about racism, but about white people being aware of themselves and who they are.

PM me if o have questions. It's only a forum. But you can learn.

I wouldn't suggest going there, it's run by Don Black a former Grand Wizard of the KKK, David Duke also posts there. It's a white supremacist site and they spout the same hatred bullshit that other racist ethnic pride assholes spout. I don't believe in racial pride of any sort because the color of a person skin is no reason for being proud just because a whiteman did this or a blackman did that doesn't mean you get to take pride in their accomplishments. Be proud of stuff you did not what you and billions of others were born with, skin....maybe if you were born with that harlequinism disease or whatever it's called you can be proud to be different but we all have the same skin just different levels of melanin. Hell animals have skin and melanin too....

Posted by: kiko

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Albinos?

Posted by: DaMayor

Big Fence.

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