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Vpx's New Meltdown...


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Posted by: gopro

Hello everyone! Let me get straight to the point...

Several weeks ago VPX Sports asked me if I would be willing to test out a soon-to-be released fat burner called Meltdown (which has nothing in common with their old version). I was called into a meeting to discuss the technology behind the product and the results they had been getting thus far. The company CEO, Jack Owoc put about two years into this formula, which contains several ingedients that have never been available before in these forms. He asked that I use it personally as well as test it out with a few of my clients. I agreed, but told him that I would be 100% honest about the results and would not sugar coat or hype anything that did not produce what it is supposed to.

I am still gathering some of the data from my clients, which I will post up here by tomorrow, but I can tell you that VPX has something special here. I have used every fat burner ever put out on the market, and this one has some unique properties that no other product has shown. In other words, this is not your typical fat burner.

That said, I need you guys to know that CURRENTLY I am not an employee of VPX. I work independently with several supplement companies in different aspects, which yes, I get paid for. This could change, and if it does, I will certainly let you know.

So, I am representing VPX's Meltdown product here specifically (not their entire line). I have seen that this is the real deal and that everything I was told it would do, it does. As a respected writer and trainer in this industry I can promise you that I would not stand behind a product unless I feel that it works (no matter what I am offered to do so).

I will be here to answer questions about the product to the best of my ability and to help others get the most out of it when it becomes available to the public shortly. I will also post up more about it as I gather my info.

Thank you for listening!


Posted by: IainDaniel

So what is in it?


Posted by: soxmuscle

Red Line in capsule form barely did anything for me, so I'm hesitant to shell out Cell Tech esque cash figures for a company by VPX. However, I'll take your word for it and might give it a go when it becomes available. I'll be staying tuned.


Posted by: PreMier

are you in a caloric defecit? or bulk, or recomp?


Posted by: nni

ingredients?


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by PreMier View Post
are you in a caloric defecit? or bulk, or recomp?
Simply maintaning really. Not looking to bulk, which I never do anymore, or lose. Just looking to add quality muscle while keeping my bodyfat at about 8%

(Although it is lower now after 3 weeks on Meltdown)


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle View Post
Red Line in capsule form barely did anything for me, so I'm hesitant to shell out Cell Tech esque cash figures for a company by VPX. However, I'll take your word for it and might give it a go when it becomes available. I'll be staying tuned.
I agree...Redline caps are not even close to the liquid form. However, these caps are STRONG! That said, I am trying to convince VPX to release a liquid version as well (like the old Clenbutrx).


Posted by: nni

looks like 3 forms of yohimbe (Yohimbine HCl, 11-hydroxy Yohimbine, alpha-Yohimbine)
methyl synephrine
caffeine
2 forms of PEA one a methyl (R-ß-M-PEA (R-ß-Methylphenylethylamine) and n-Methyl-ß-PEA (n-Methyl-ß-Phenylethylamine)
methyl hordenine
pure cAMP
methyl TTA, and one other thing that i dont know what it is.

so lots of methyls of common ingredients.


Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by gopro View Post
I agree...Redline caps are not even close to the liquid form. However, these caps are STRONG! That said, I am trying to convince VPX to release a liquid version as well (like the old Clenbutrx).
VPX is dumb. If they sold the liquid form RedLine at a reasonable price (30 rack, $30 dollars) they'd have the highest selling product on the market.


Posted by: Delusional

yeah i like the redline drink they currently have out, but its kind of pricey to me. if it was cheaper itd help. i would rather have a new version in liquid really


Posted by: PreMier

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Originally Posted by gopro View Post
Simply maintaning really. Not looking to bulk, which I never do anymore, or lose. Just looking to add quality muscle while keeping my bodyfat at about 8%

(Although it is lower now after 3 weeks on Meltdown)
thats what i wanted to hear


Posted by: PreMier

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Originally Posted by nni View Post
looks like 3 forms of yohimbe (Yohimbine HCl, 11-hydroxy Yohimbine, alpha-Yohimbine)
methyl synephrine
caffeine
2 forms of PEA one a methyl (R-ß-M-PEA (R-ß-Methylphenylethylamine) and n-Methyl-ß-PEA (n-Methyl-ß-Phenylethylamine)
methyl hordenine
pure cAMP
methyl TTA, and one other thing that i dont know what it is.

so lots of methyls of common ingredients.
whats your conclusion/opinion?


Posted by: gopro

I would like to talk about Meltdown using the following criteria on a scale of 1-10 as I see it thus far in regards to myself. As I gather data from my clients (and others), I will post that as well...

-Fat Burning Ability...9
-Energy Enhancement...8
-Mood Affects...10
-Appetite Suppressing Capability...9
-Side Effects...9 (meaning I had little if any)

As far as fat burning goes I dropped from a measurement of 8.3% to 7% in 4 weeks with no change in diet, cardio, or training. I notice the greatest loss in my quads and waist, as I see greater separation between each muscle in my thigh and all of my pants are fitting more loosely.

Meltdown is not being marketed as an "Energy Enhancer," as Redline has filled that position. However, that does not mean that MD will not give you more energy...it is just a different kind of energy. Instead of making you "bounce off the walls" it instead just increases your clarity, focus and drive to do more work. It makes you want to be more productive and allows for far better concentration. One employee at VPX actually mentioned to me that it helps him see more clearly and vividly (especially colors).

More to come....


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle View Post
VPX is dumb. If they sold the liquid form RedLine at a reasonable price (30 rack, $30 dollars) they'd have the highest selling product on the market.
I actually find this a funny comment...."VPX is dumb!" I wish I was as dumb as them! They are growing so fast they have had to add 2 new buildings in the past year, the latest one about 90,000 sq feet! Redline is now its own brand and alone can support and entirely new supplement company!

Along with MT and BSN, VPX is the biggest player in the industry!

I was incredibly impressed with what they have done since I left them in 2005.


Posted by: nni

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Originally Posted by PreMier View Post
whats your conclusion/opinion?
honestly my immediate thought was its a mishmash of ingredients from other products like avant's HEAT, DS' basic cuts and melting point just changed to methyls. i dont know that making them methylated will make it that much better, so i will reserve judgement to see if any studies or paperwork is provided. but methyl TTA, i mean TTA is a product that some people get severe cramps from, so if you are methylating it which in theory makes it effects greater (which i doubt) then that would make the sides greater. i dont know, more question marks then exclamation points.


Posted by: PreMier

i was thinking the same thing after reading ingredients/what you wrote. not that the product wont be good, but it wont be anything thats revolutionary, because there are similar ones on the market.


Posted by: IainDaniel

Sulfur-substituted and alpha-methylated fatty acids as peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor activators.Larsen LN, Granlund L, Holmeide AK, Skattebøl L, Nebb HI, Bremer J.
Institute of Basic Medical Sciences, Department of Biochemistry, University of Oslo, Norway. l.n.larsen@medisin.uio.no

FA with varying chain lengths and an alpha-methyl group and/or a sulfur in the beta-position were tested as peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor (PPAR)alpha, -delta(beta), and -gamma ligands by transient transfection in COS-1 cells using chimeric receptor expression plasmids, containing cDNAs encoding the ligand-binding domain of PPARalpha, -delta, and -gamma. For PPARalpha, an increasing activation was found with increasing chain length of the sulfur-substituted FA up to C14-S acetic acid (tetradecylthioacetic acid = TTA). The derivatives were poor, and nonsignificant, activators of PPARdelta. For PPARgamma, activation increased with increasing chain length up to C16-S acetic acid. A methyl group was introduced in the alpha-position of palmitic acid, TTA, EPA, DHA, cis9,trans11 CLA, and trans10,cis12 CLA. An increased activation of PPARalpha was obtained for the alpha-methyl derivatives compared with the unmethylated FA. This increase also resulted in increased expression of the two PPARalpha target genes acyl-CoA oxidase and liver FA-binding protein for alpha-methyl TTA, alpha-methyl EPA, and alpha-methyl DHA. Decreased or altered metabolism of these derivatives in the cells cannot be excluded. In conclusion, saturated FA with sulfur in the beta-position and increasing carbon chain length from C9-S acetic acid to C14-S acetic acid have increasing effects as activators of PPARalpha and -gamma in transfection assays. Furthermore, alpha-methyl FA derivatives of a saturated natural FA (palmitic acid), a sulfur-substituted FA (TTA), and PUFA (EPA, DHA, c9,t11 CLA, and t10,c12 CLA) are stronger PPARalpha activators than the unmethylated compounds.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by PreMier View Post
i was thinking the same thing after reading ingredients/what you wrote. not that the product wont be good, but it wont be anything thats revolutionary, because there are similar ones on the market.
Mehylating some of the ingredients has made them WAY MORE BIOAVAILABLE. VPX has been doing extensive research and testing on this stuff...doing blood work on Synephrine vs. M-Synephrine, for example...and the results regarding uptake is what let them to synthesizing these specific forms. This product was not "thrown together" but is the result of 2 straight years of work. Trust me, I looked through the piles of studies they were working from.

Hey, but I expected some of you to be hesitant, or even hateful of anything from VPX...it is nothing new. However, all you have to do is try the stuff and you will know it works. If it didn't, I would not be doing this for them. I could easily spend my time doing other things that would make me more money than they are paying me, LOL.

Anyway, I will have more on MD later.


Posted by: IainDaniel

Get me a sample and I will try it


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by PreMier View Post
i was thinking the same thing after reading ingredients/what you wrote. not that the product wont be good, but it wont be anything thats revolutionary, because there are similar ones on the market.
There are products with some "similar" looking ingredients, but they are nothing like this one....trust me.


Posted by: PreMier

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro View Post

Hey, but I expected some of you to be hesitant, or even hateful of anything from VPX...it is nothing new. However, all you have to do is try the stuff and you will know it works. If it didn't, I would not be doing this for them. I could easily spend my time doing other things that would make me more money than they are paying me, LOL.
im more hesitant than hateful.. im trying to be subjective is all.


Posted by: soxmuscle

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro View Post
I actually find this a funny comment...."VPX is dumb!" I wish I was as dumb as them! They are growing so fast they have had to add 2 new buildings in the past year, the latest one about 90,000 sq feet! Redline is now its own brand and alone can support and entirely new supplement company!

Along with MT and BSN, VPX is the biggest player in the industry!

I was incredibly impressed with what they have done since I left them in 2005.
I'm extremely impressed with VPX, Cell-Tech, and BSN. But it's in that, Johnny Damon esque way. Sure they are one of the fastest growing companies in the industry, but they've done so in a slimy way in which they're sole priority is to earn that all-mighty dollar.

Again, I think they're foolish not to sell their products at a more reasonable price, perhaps dumb wasn't the right word.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by PreMier View Post
im more hesitant than hateful.. im trying to be subjective is all.

Understood. And I am not here to do anything but talk about the product. I am not representing VPX as a whole, but simply Meltdown. So far I am very impressed...impressed with the formula, the research they have put in, the extent they have tested and retested, and with the results I have so far seen with the product.


Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by soxmuscle View Post
I'm extremely impressed with VPX, Cell-Tech, and BSN. But it's in that, Johnny Damon esque way. Sure they are one of the fastest growing companies in the industry, but they've done so in a slimy way in which they're sole priority is to earn that all-mighty dollar.

Again, I think they're foolish not to sell their products at a more reasonable price, perhaps dumb wasn't the right word.
I do not think VPX is slimy. Actually, I think they have really matured as a company. I had a long discussion about pricing with the owner while I was there and he showed me receipts of how much they pay for their raws, as well as how much they put into in house equipment and testing. They are trying to produce top notch products, which costs them alot to make.


Posted by: vortrit

I like redline. I don't think the price is too bad if you find it at the right place for what it is. I generally don't do fat burners, but I may give it a try.


Posted by: Triple Threat

Is this available now and if not, when will it be?


Posted by: nni

id love to see the paperwork. methyls do not necessarily mean better, so i am definetely a skeptic. i may give a shot though if i feel it has merit.


Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by nni View Post
id love to see the paperwork. methyls do not necessarily mean better, so i am definetely a skeptic. i may give a shot though if i feel it has merit.
Well, I doubt they will be publicly releasing all of the paperwork, but in many cases methylation DOES increase oral availability...and according to the work VPX did, it is also true in this case.

The funny thing is that VPX originally made the formula from non-methyl compounds, but found it was working quite poorly in testing. They did not want to jack up the mg., but rather tried to figure out how to make each ingedient more absorbable. They accomplished this task.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
Is this available now and if not, when will it be?
I heard today it will be ready in 2-4 weeks...which is good because I am working with them to try and finalize the proper dosing per capsule and overall dosing. This extra time will allow me to gather more client data.


Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by gopro View Post
I would like to talk about Meltdown using the following criteria on a scale of 1-10 as I see it thus far in regards to myself. As I gather data from my clients (and others), I will post that as well...

-Fat Burning Ability...9
-Energy Enhancement...8
-Mood Affects...10
-Appetite Suppressing Capability...9
-Side Effects...9 (meaning I had little if any)

As far as fat burning goes I dropped from a measurement of 8.3% to 7% in 4 weeks with no change in diet, cardio, or training. I notice the greatest loss in my quads and waist, as I see greater separation between each muscle in my thigh and all of my pants are fitting more loosely.

Meltdown is not being marketed as an "Energy Enhancer," as Redline has filled that position. However, that does not mean that MD will not give you more energy...it is just a different kind of energy. Instead of making you "bounce off the walls" it instead just increases your clarity, focus and drive to do more work. It makes you want to be more productive and allows for far better concentration. One employee at VPX actually mentioned to me that it helps him see more clearly and vividly (especially colors).

More to come....
Continuing from my above post...

Continuing from my above post, I will now move onto the "mood effects" I have seen with MD. This is perhaps the most novel aspect of this product for me. Fat burners have always made me feel everything from depressed to irritable to even angry (Redline makes me want to beat up old ladies...LOL). However, MD actually makes me happy! Especially the first dose of the day. Literally 30-45 minutes after I take it I start to become very talkative...I begin joking around more...and I have a general feeling of well being. Even if something has me a bit down I seem to get over it and just move on. I call MD my "happy pills" now, LOL!


Posted by: nni

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Originally Posted by gopro View Post
Well, I doubt they will be publicly releasing all of the paperwork, but in many cases methylation DOES increase oral availability...and according to the work VPX did, it is also true in this case.

The funny thing is that VPX originally made the formula from non-methyl compounds, but found it was working quite poorly in testing. They did not want to jack up the mg., but rather tried to figure out how to make each ingedient more absorbable. They accomplished this task.
eh, well i need a bit more than that. we will see when they release it.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by nni View Post
eh, well i need a bit more than that. we will see when they release it.
Some people need to see paper work, other people just need to try it. I do not make a penny extra from sales on this. I am just here because I am using it and it works great...and my clients are using it, and it works great. I hope others will use it and reap the benefits, but of course I expect, like with every supplement in existence, that some will not like it as much as me.

Personally I have found only a handful of truly good products out of the thousands upon thousands thrown into the market over the years. Its fun when you find one that does what it says it does.


Posted by: b_reed23

have they said what kind of price we are looking at here??


Posted by: gopro

Moving on to MD's ability to act as an appetite suppressant...while some guys at the VPX offices told me that their appetites totally disappear to the point that they forget to eat, this has not happened to me. However, what HAS happened is that I am less hungry and also have less cravings for carbs. I normally diet on low carbs, so I am used to it, but some days I am ok and others I want to eat only bread, cereal, rice, pasta, etc. Of course I don't, but the craving is there. Since starting MD I have not had a single day like that. I feel this makes this product EXTREMELY useful when looking to lean out in terms of being able to "happily stick to" your diet.

Lastly, I will talk about side effects. Ok, done! LOL...so far I have not had any noticeable side effects. The first couple of days I had a tiny nervous feeling in my chest, but nowhere near what most fat burners give me. Other than that, I cannot point to anything negative. However, this is an area that varies from person to person quite a bit, so I will soon be talking with all of my clients (testing MD) in detail about all of the above criteria and discussing it here.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by b_reed23 View Post
have they said what kind of price we are looking at here??
Let me see if I can find out anything about this


Posted by: nni

knowing the ingredients it sounds t good to be true, literally. methyl tta + methyl synephrine and a nice dosage of yohimbine and no side effets of note?

you are starting to lose me now.


Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by nni View Post
knowing the ingredients it sounds t good to be true, literally. methyl tta + methyl synephrine and a nice dosage of yohimbine and no side effets of note?

you are starting to lose me now.
Why am I losing you? That makes little sense. I am simply reporting my findings on the product. No, I have found there to be no side effects so far in short-term use. Would something go wrong if I took way too much or used it for a year straight? That I do not know, but it seems that if the product is not abused, there are no side effects to speak of. However, like I mentioned, this is an area that varies quite a bit from person to person. When I take Redline, I feel as if I have contracted the flu. I know someone that can drink two Redline RTD's in a sitting and he will not feel a thing.

VPX has truly put the time and research in on this. Now they are completing the testing and it seems that it is acting just as they had hoped it would in the real world. Not sure what else to tell you.

(However, I notice you are from another supplement company, so of course I expect criticism...business is business).


Posted by: nni

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Originally Posted by gopro View Post
Why am I losing you? That makes little sense. I am simply reporting my findings on the product. No, I have found there to be no side effects so far in short-term use. Would something go wrong if I took way too much or used it for a year straight? That I do not know, but it seems that if the product is not abused, there are no side effects to speak of. However, like I mentioned, this is an area that varies quite a bit from person to person. When I take Redline, I feel as if I have contracted the flu. I know someone that can drink two Redline RTD's in a sitting and he will not feel a thing.

VPX has truly put the time and research in on this. Now they are completing the testing and it seems that it is acting just as they had hoped it would in the real world. Not sure what else to tell you.

(However, I notice you are from another supplement company, so of course I expect criticism...business is business).

new supplements come out every day, i dont feel threatened by any of them, so it isnt business, it is me as an educted consumer looking at ingredients and questioning them. it is easier to chalk it up to company competition, but it isnt the case. i am looking at the product as objectively as i can, not as someone affiliated with a supplement company, but as someone who knows that methyling everything is a trendy move that doesnt necessarily make things better. which is why i said i would love to see the research. if this was a company to company thing, i would outright say it sucks and that product X is better. it isnt. i buy stuff all the time, and if this is really as good as you claim,i guarantee i will give it a shot at some point. but i have questions and concerns about the ingredients, and as a courtesy i did not voice them, and i will not. i will simply wait and see what data vpx chooses to release.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by nni View Post
new supplements come out every day, i dont feel threatened by any of them, so it isnt business, it is me as an educted consumer looking at ingredients and questioning them. it is easier to chalk it up to company competition, but it isnt the case. i am looking at the product as objectively as i can, not as someone affiliated with a supplement company, but as someone who knows that methyling everything is a trendy move that doesnt necessarily make things better. which is why i said i would love to see the research. if this was a company to company thing, i would outright say it sucks and that product X is better. it isnt. i buy stuff all the time, and if this is really as good as you claim,i guarantee i will give it a shot at some point. but i have questions and concerns about the ingredients, and as a courtesy i did not voice them, and i will not. i will simply wait and see what data vpx chooses to release.
That is fine my friend. If it is the methylation that bothers you, I can tell you that so far there have been no reports of elevated liver enzymes in ANY of the test users (if that is what you are speaking to as your concerns). This is across the board...men and women...doses of 3 caps to 8 caps per day...length of use 2 weeks to 8 weeks straight.


Posted by: gopro

I have been waiting until a few of my clients had completed 4 weeks on the product, which is the amount I sent them for testing. While the initial response to the product is important, I believe you need at least 4 weeks to see if a fat burner is doing its job.

The first of my clients to complete the 4 weeks is a 28 year-old female. She started out at 18% bodyfat and did not train or eat any differently for all of the 4 weeks. I asked her to rate and quickly talk about each area I touched on myself in earlier posts....

-Fat Burning Ability...10
-Energy Enhancement...7
-Mood Affects...9
-Appetite Suppressing Capability...10
-Side Effects...9

Fat Burning: "I went from 18% bodyfat to 16% in the 4 weeks. I was measured using calipers by the same trainer at my gym both times. I ate the same, did the workouts you prescribed and did not alter my cardio. I did not notice a huge change in my upper body, but my legs thinned out considerably!"

Energy Enhancement: "I am used to ephedra and products like Redline, which really speed me up. Meltdown does not get me "amped" but still gets me going after a long day at work. The only way I can describe it is like a 'calm energy,' if that makes any sense. Its very different, but what I like about it is that once I am done training I feel very calm and relaxed. I can take MD fairly late and still get to sleep."

Mood Effects: "Within 20 minutes of taking MD I definitely feel happier. Not that I am a sad person, but it just elevates my mood. I think I laugh at jokes that are not even that funny when I take MD, lol"

Appetite Suppressing: "This is one of the most potent effects for me. Normally after about 2 hours I start thinking about my next meal. In other words, my stomach tells me it is time to eat. However, I almost missed several meals while taking MD, which can be good and bad. I had to start setting the alarm on my phone to tell me to eat when I was scheduled to. I had no problem eating my meals once I sat down to them, but I just stopped 'thinking' about food. Also, my craving for sweets was almost non-existent on MD."

Side Effects: "For the first couple of days I think my tummy was a bit upset. Not 100% sure it was the MD, but nothing else changed, so I am assuming it was. However, that just meant an extra trip or two to the ladie's room...nothing too bad, LOL. After the 4th day my stomach seemed fine again, and I had no further issues."

Overall: "No doubt I will look to use MD when it is available. I would like to try it when leaning down for a competition, and give it a good 8 week run. It will certainly make dieting far easier and its effects lasted at the same level for all 4 weeks. Most fat burners seem to stop working after 2-3 weeks. That said, at times when I am REALLY dragging my butt (like 5 am cardio), I may still opt for VPX Redline or some good ole ephedra!"

I have 2 more clients going onto their 4th week on MD, and I will report on them when I have their feedback.

I myself am on week 5 and I will report my results once I finish my 6-week cycle.


Posted by: PreMier

cool, posts like this are good. thanks eric


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by PreMier View Post
cool, posts like this are good. thanks eric
No problem. VPX asked me to really get behind the product, but ONLY IF it proved itself to me...and so far it has. I will have more for you guys soon.

(I am only posting this stuff up on a few selected sites by the way...only the ones that I feel I wanted to introduce the product to).


Posted by: gopro

This is the feedback from my next client. He is a 32 year old male and just finished 4 weeks on Meltdown. Week one he did 1 cap three times per day. Week two he did 2 caps twice per day. Weeks three and four he did 3 caps twice per day. Diet was unchanged, as was he general training program and cardio.

-Fat Burning Ability...9
-Energy Enhancement...8
-Mood Affects...10
-Appetite Suppressing Capability...8
-Side Effects...9

Fat Burning: "I have only gotten decent results in the past from fat burners...even ephedra-based ones. I find some of the newer ones to be ok...Lipo-6, Hydroxycut Hardcore, and Methyl Ripped are all pretty good. I honestly did not expect much from Meltdown, and only took it because you asked me to, and I trust you (being my coach). Anyway, after 4 weeks I am pleased to let you know that I lost 4.5 lbs and my bodyfat went from 11% to 9.5%! I am more vascular and definitely more separated. And this was with the same diet and same caloric intake you set for me 8 weeks ago!"

Energy Enhancement: "As you know, I am not a huge fan of the way stimulants make me feel in general. I only take them to try and enhance fat burning, not to get me through workouts. That said, I found Meltdown to give me a pretty decent energy boost without it being overwhelming or uncomfortable. It might not be the type of boost that an ephedra-junkie likes, but for me it is just perfect. Not too much or too little. There is also a definite feeling of 'tunnel vision' that comes with Meltdown. I feel it focuses me more at the task at hand."

Mood Effects: "Aside from the lost bodyfat, this is my favorite aspect of Meltdown! You did not tell me what to expect from this stuff when you gave it to me, so this is not a placebo effect. I did not really feel this until I started taking 2 caps at a time, and it was even more noticable at 3 caps. Yes, this stuff puts me in a great mood! I own my own business and my employees usually find me to be a bit grumpy. But on Meltdown I was far more pleasant to be around, and everyone definitely let me know this. My secretary asked me just the other day when I would be getting more 'happy caps!"

Appetite Suppressing: "I am not a huge eater as you know. Normally you have to force me to get in the 6 meals per day you prescribe. Well, Meltdown made it even harder to get these meals in...at least in the beginning. By the final week this effect was still there, but not as strongly. Meltdown is probably really good for those that are always hungry."

Side Effects: "For the first 3 days I emailed you and told you that I felt quite nauseous on Meltdown. By the 4th day it was a bit better. After a week I was fine. When I upped the dose each time, the nausea returned, but again, only for the first few days. Aside from this, I cannot point to any bad effects. I was worried that because I tend to train late in the day (and that you wanted me to have one dose before workouts), that I would have trouble falling asleep, but that was not a problem at all."

Overall: "This stuff is a home run for sure...at least for me. To be able to FEEL GOOD, focus better, AND lose bodyfat, without any real negative effects is wonderful. VPX did a nice job on this one. If the price is somewhat reasonable I think it will do very, very well for them."


Posted by: gopro

Quote from former IFBB pro Eddie Robinson about VPX Meltdown...

"The Meltdown in Amazing. Great energy / fat Loss product without the jitters."


Posted by: soxmuscle

If you like it so much, why don't you marry it?


Posted by: IainDaniel

We ever going to hear how much VPX is gonna rape us for this product?


Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
We ever going to hear how much VPX is gonna rape us for this product?
You buy VPX products, for this very purpose.




Posted by: IainDaniel

never bought this brand in my life.


Posted by: PreMier

i've never bought any of their product, but i have used them( i love free stuff)and they are usually top notch

when is the release date?


Posted by: soxmuscle

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never bought this brand in my life.
...All in good fun, Iain.


Posted by: gopro

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i've never bought any of their product, but i have used them( i love free stuff)and they are usually top notch

when is the release date?
It looks like December now.


Posted by: gopro

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If you like it so much, why don't you marry it?

It would, but I won't sign the pre-nup.


Posted by: gopro

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We ever going to hear how much VPX is gonna rape us for this product?

I don't know the cost yet, although I DO KNOW that you get what you pay for in this industry. VPX generally costs more because they use the best raw materials and use the most expensive forms of every ingredient.

Bodybuilding.com will have the best price...that is for sure.


Posted by: Prince

well, I have to disagree with that one Eric, with the big companies they jack up the prices to support their advertising, marketing and pro bodybuilders they employ.


Posted by: gopro

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well, I have to disagree with that one Eric, with the big companies they jack up the prices to support their advertising, marketing and pro bodybuilders they employ.
That is true, but I also know what the big companies do to separate their products from the others...BSN, MT (and MAP), ALRI, VPX, etc make sure to use the best ingredients/raw materials and manufacturing procedures.

But, speaking just about VPX and Meltdown specifically, I saw on paper how much money it takes to put this product together. How much each raw material costs and also how much it set them back to synthesize the formula, and it will have to cost more money in stores than most other products.

The results so far speak for themselves, and as a supplement consumer, I know I would be willing to spend an extra $10-20 a month on a product that does what it is supposed to, as opposed to one that does nada.


Posted by: Prince

the only product I have used of VPX is Redline and it works great, I just ordered their Zero Impact bars, hoping they taste good and don't give me upset stomach and gas like many bars do.


Posted by: gopro

Looks like BBing.com will have a 120 capsule size of Meltdown for about $38.99 (retail is about $65). I am actually surprised/happy it will be offered at such a low price!


Posted by: Triple Threat

What would be a normal dosing? Is this something that should be taken every day or can days be skipped?


Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by Prince View Post
the only product I have used of VPX is Redline and it works great, I just ordered their Zero Impact bars, hoping they taste good and don't give me upset stomach and gas like many bars do.
I really like Redline.


Posted by: glennmo

I have a familial tremor so I have to be selective. I've worked my way up to full dose with methyl ripped over 6 weeks. How much does MD exaserbate a tremor?


Posted by: camarosuper6

Interesting.


Im starting to take a look at the new wave of supplements....this is appealing.


Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by Prince View Post
the only product I have used of VPX is Redline and it works great, I just ordered their Zero Impact bars, hoping they taste good and don't give me upset stomach and gas like many bars do.
I tried the liquid Redline in the blue bottle (no carb I guess) and unfortunately got nothing from it. Sure was tasty though.


Posted by: gopro

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What would be a normal dosing? Is this something that should be taken every day or can days be skipped?
You CAN skip days, but for the best fat burning effect, I would take it daily. Dosing will be very individual, with some needing only 1 capsule twice per day, and others needing 2-3 twice per day. Best to start low and work your way up.


Posted by: gopro

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I tried the liquid Redline in the blue bottle (no carb I guess) and unfortunately got nothing from it. Sure was tasty though.

Wow, that is rare! Most people complain that it OVERstimulates them!


Posted by: Lukas1878

Very useful information,thx guys


Posted by: gopro

I just completed my 6th and final week on Meltdown, and now I will take a break and see how my body reacts.

My opinion of the product stands...it is fantastic!

My bodyfat dropped from 8.3% to 6.2% over the 6 weeks with no change in diet/training/cardio. I cannot wait to see what it does along with a "cutting" diet.

I was most impressed with the mood enhancing effects though. Those little caps just made me feel happy and productive all day long. Today is my first day off of them, and while I feel fine, I do miss the extra focus and clarity that Meltdown induces.

I believe that the fat burning effects will be even more dramatic for those with higher starting bodyfat %'s and also when a low carb, sub-maintenance diet is utilized (as carbs tend to blunt the effects of the compounds in Meltdown).

I will continue to post more feedback and results as I get them, as now I have a couple more clients starting on the product.


Posted by: Prince

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My bodyfat dropped from 8.3% to 6.2% over the 6 weeks with no change in diet/training/cardio. I cannot wait to see what it does along with a "cutting" diet.
what method are you testing your bf% that you could narrow it down as accurately as .1%?


Posted by: gopro

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what method are you testing your bf% that you could narrow it down as accurately as .1%?
9 point calipers and then digital calipers.


Posted by: gopro

I just received the following feedback on Meltdown. It is quite interesting, and moves off into other areas aside from what we have been discussing...

"I took Meltdown before a meeting and for 2.5 hours the entire back of my shirt was wet with sweat in a 72 degree, adequately air conditioned conference room! Meltdown is more thermogenic than any other "product" I've ever taken. It gives me a killer, crystal clear, anxiety-free buzz with superb mental clarity. Lights were brighter and I was on top of my game as far as running mental circles around my business colleagues. Meltdown is for real and anybody who is in touch with, and attuned to their body will instantly know that Meltdown is a home run.

Not to get too personal (sorry, got to post this here, LOL) but I took Meltdown before sex and had the most powerful orgasm ever. I'm not going to lie; even if it didn't burn fat, I would still take Meltdown to enhance sex, mood and mental focus. Intense focus in the gym after working all day is another major plus!"

Gotta admit, I was quite taken back by the sex part of the feedback, but now I have to see for myself, LOL!


Posted by: Prince

serious question: how would it stack up next to Clen?


Posted by: soxmuscle

A Convenient mart down the road sells VPX Red Line in liquid form. I indulged a couple of times to see how good it was and I was very disappointed. I chugged the whole bottle which VPX says is the equivalent of 2 servings, and I didn't feel a damn thing.

I might even prefer Red Bull to it.


Posted by: nni

any word on a writeup yet?


Posted by: glennmo

Any date on availability ?


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by Prince View Post
serious question: how would it stack up next to Clen?
The original liquid clenbutrx? Hard to say as far as fat burning goes, as Meltdown is still too new. For me they seem to work about equally, but I still think that E/C/Y is still the best fat burning stack to date for most.

As far as crazy energy goes, most will "feel" Clenbutrx more, but the type of energy I get from MD is far more productive in my opinion. It is not a nervous energy, but more like pure focus and concentration for the task at hand.

Also, ephedra tends to make me irritable, while MD puts me in good spirits.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle View Post
A Convenient mart down the road sells VPX Red Line in liquid form. I indulged a couple of times to see how good it was and I was very disappointed. I chugged the whole bottle which VPX says is the equivalent of 2 servings, and I didn't feel a damn thing.

I might even prefer Red Bull to it.
You are a rare case then. Most people find that an entire Redline makes them too stimulated...sometimes to the point of feeling sick. I cannot handle Redline, but have no problem drinking Red Bull at all.


Posted by: gopro

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any word on a writeup yet?
I am not really sure what you are looking for. All of the ads for Meltdown are basically like articles with info on every ingredient. If you want info beyond what is being presented by VPX you will have to do your own research.

The ads (articles) that are appearing are basically pared down from hundreds of pages of journal research.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by glennmo View Post
Any date on availability ?
Mid to late December.


Posted by: nni

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Originally Posted by gopro View Post
I am not really sure what you are looking for. All of the ads for Meltdown are basically like articles with info on every ingredient. If you want info beyond what is being presented by VPX you will have to do your own research.

The ads (articles) that are appearing are basically pared down from hundreds of pages of journal research.
i was hoping for actual research. not just a product hype/push.


Posted by: gopro

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i was hoping for actual research. not just a product hype/push.
The research is there if you want to take the time to look things up. VPX's ads are already 4 pages long, so they get in as much as they can in that space...science plus hype (just like any other company in this industry).

However, I respect your desire to read and learn more about each ingredient. I had the opportunity to read much of this material before getting involved with the Meltdown launch, and I was quite impressed...but not as impressed as when I used the stuff. Like I always say, research is wonderful, but until something proves it itself in the real world then words are rather useless.


Posted by: nni

i have yet to see the ads, but i dont pick up magazines, so i will look for them. i will also look for research on the ingredients, but so far i found nothing, it seems there is a lot of "in house" research.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by nni View Post
i have yet to see the ads, but i dont pick up magazines, so i will look for them. i will also look for research on the ingredients, but so far i found nothing, it seems there is a lot of "in house" research.
There was plenty of in house and scientific research. Now the field research is going on and it is proving itself to users. This is what is MOST important.


Posted by: nni

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There was plenty of in house and scientific research. Now the field research is going on and it is proving itself to users. This is what is MOST important.
eh, i prefer studies, i have seen many products get great results that ended up being nothing more than placebo. ill continue looking, and ill try and get a magazine with the ad in it. like i said, a product with this many "catchy" products in it, raised my eyebrows, and i want to learn more about it.


Posted by: workingatit43

I have been following this thread pretty much the whole way through i am going to give the product a try and then i will make a judgement


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by workingatit43 View Post
I have been following this thread pretty much the whole way through i am going to give the product a try and then i will make a judgement
That is the best thing you can do. Try it for yourself and see what it can do.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by nni View Post
eh, i prefer studies, i have seen many products get great results that ended up being nothing more than placebo. ill continue looking, and ill try and get a magazine with the ad in it. like i said, a product with this many "catchy" products in it, raised my eyebrows, and i want to learn more about it.
And I have seen many products with great research that do nothing when tested on athletes and bodybuilders in real world circumstances.

I should also mention that when I gave this product to my clients all I told them was that it possibly helped burn fat. They knew nothing of any other possible effects, yet the feedback was almost identical.


Posted by: blueboy

Thanks for the info gopro. I know that it hasn't been that long since your cycle but I'm interested in hearing about the aftermath. After you have stopped taking this for a while, how are your energy levels? Are your appetite levels increased? How long do you have to wait in between cycles?

I would like to try this but I want to avoid putting myself in a situation where I am worse off than before I started and I have to rely on a supplement for the rest of my life to be happy, not starved, and have good energy levels naturally.

Thanks in advance for the feedback.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by blueboy View Post
Thanks for the info gopro. I know that it hasn't been that long since your cycle but I'm interested in hearing about the aftermath. After you have stopped taking this for a while, how are your energy levels? Are your appetite levels increased? How long do you have to wait in between cycles?

I would like to try this but I want to avoid putting myself in a situation where I am worse off than before I started and I have to rely on a supplement for the rest of my life to be happy, not starved, and have good energy levels naturally.

Thanks in advance for the feedback.
It has been about 4 weeks or so since I stopped Meltdown and so far I have not gained any of the lost fat back (diet/training/cardio has remained the same). My energy is just fine, but I don't have the same focused feeling I had while on it. This was expecially important for me if I train later in the day when my brain is looking to shut down, LOL. I also no longer have the happy/euphoric feeling that MD gave me, although I have had no problems with depression or anything negative like this since stopping. Appetite for carbs has come back somewhat, but I am able to keep that under control no matter what.

While I certainly MISS taking Meltdown, I do not feel like I "need" it. However, I AM looking forward to my next cycle in about 2 more weeks.


Posted by: nni

the pea gives the euphoria.


Posted by: nni



very interesting.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by nni View Post
the pea gives the euphoria.
That would be correct.


Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by gopro View Post
The original liquid clenbutrx? Hard to say as far as fat burning goes, as Meltdown is still too new. For me they seem to work about equally, but I still think that E/C/Y is still the best fat burning stack to date for most.

As far as crazy energy goes, most will "feel" Clenbutrx more, but the type of energy I get from MD is far more productive in my opinion. It is not a nervous energy, but more like pure focus and concentration for the task at hand.

Also, ephedra tends to make me irritable, while MD puts me in good spirits.
sorry, I should have clarified, I was asking about Clenbuterol.


Posted by: PreMier

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Originally Posted by nni View Post


very interesting.
why? thoughts?


Posted by: nni

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why? thoughts?
it was just interesting to finally see the panel and read the doses and full list of ingredients.

oh yes i have thoughts.


Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by PreMier View Post
why? thoughts?
yeah, good marketing!


Posted by: gopro

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why? thoughts?
Of course he has thoughts...and we are all DYING to hear them


Posted by: gopro

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sorry, I should have clarified, I was asking about Clenbuterol.
You were asking me to compare Meltdown to clenbuterol? Are you being serious?


Posted by: Prince

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You were asking me to compare Meltdown to clenbuterol? Are you being serious?
yeah, I take it that means no comparison?


Posted by: nni

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Of course he has thoughts...and we are all DYING to hear them
hehe, you are a nice guy, and i wont sully up this thread with my thoughts. to sumarize though, i dont know why vpx is in the current trend of esterizing and methylating products that have no issue being absorbed by the body.


Posted by: Prince

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hehe, you are a nice guy, and i wont sully up this thread with my thoughts. to sumarize though, i dont know why vpx is in the current trend of esterizing and methylating products that have no issue being absorbed by the body.
it's called creative marketing.


Posted by: nni

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Originally Posted by Prince View Post
it's called creative marketing.
oh i know, im being nice here
although sometimes when you esterize something that is properly absorbed you can create a dangerous compound.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by Prince View Post
yeah, I take it that means no comparison?
I cannot make a fair comparison between two things when I have used only one. Plus, I do not like comparing OTC supps to drugs.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by nni View Post
hehe, you are a nice guy, and i wont sully up this thread with my thoughts. to sumarize though, i dont know why vpx is in the current trend of esterizing and methylating products that have no issue being absorbed by the body.
Ok, let me just put it to you like this...

I have been in this business a loooooooong time (in every facet)..I don't take bullsh%t and I don't hand it out. I train clients all over the world through reputation alone, and that means it is essential that I TRULY believe in any product that I represent or recommend. I don't NEED to work with VPX...I have chosen to based on what I have seen with Meltdown.

Here is the bottom line....if you want to burn some fat, it seems that MD gets this done...if you want to suppress your need for carbs, it seems MD gets this done...if you want excellent focus and concentration, it seems MD gets this done...if you want to have a great feeling of well-being, it seems that MD gets this done...if you want a product to provide all of this without much in the way of side effects, it seems MD gets this done.

In several people that have been taking large amounts of Meltdown for 12 weeks straight there have been NO INDICATIONS of any negative side effects or harm to the body as evidenced through blood tests.

Good marketing or not, Meltdown is the real deal and is another solid product in the supplement market. Will EVERYONE love it? No, of course not. But I bet that overall concensus will be highly positive for most users.


Posted by: workingatit43

Wow it seems as though some are putting gopro through the ringer here. I say the only way to find out is to try it. I am going to give it a whirl as i can not deal with the sides from Eph. I will be happy to do a log for better or worse when i do. I do not have any conflicts of intrest with VPX or gopro. I will take him for his word if it works it will benifit me if not not really a huge deal.

I say let's give him a break till others have tried and report back just my opinion


Posted by: nni

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Originally Posted by workingatit43 View Post
Wow it seems as though some are putting gopro through the ringer here. I say the only way to find out is to try it. I am going to give it a whirl as i can not deal with the sides from Eph. I will be happy to do a log for better or worse when i do. I do not have any conflicts of intrest with VPX or gopro. I will take him for his word if it works it will benifit me if not not really a huge deal.

I say let's give him a break till others have tried and report back just my opinion
i havent put him through the ringer, i havent gone into the product at all, to me the product is suspect, and the results are phenomenal. it is out of respect to gopro that i havent elaborated on anything. im sure gopro is telling the truth, so that isnt up for question, but i tend to look at ingredients about new products, feedback is a touchy thing in the real world.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by workingatit43 View Post
Wow it seems as though some are putting gopro through the ringer here. I say the only way to find out is to try it. I am going to give it a whirl as i can not deal with the sides from Eph. I will be happy to do a log for better or worse when i do. I do not have any conflicts of intrest with VPX or gopro. I will take him for his word if it works it will benifit me if not not really a huge deal.

I say let's give him a break till others have tried and report back just my opinion
I do want to thank you for your support (it is quite appreciated), but truly I am not being put through the ringer by nni, or anyone else. I am quite suspicious of most new products that come out on the market, just as any smart consumer should be. I will answer any questions about Meltdown with complete honesty, and truth be told, if it did not work for me and my clients significantly well I would not be involved in the launch of this product...period.

Also remember that nni is involved in the supplement industry and works for a small rival company...it is his job to look closely and raise an eyebrow at what other companies put out on the market.

I on the other hand am a writer/trainer/contest-prep coach first, and now have little to do with the supplement industry directly...at least compared to when I was employed by VPX.


Posted by: nni

glad you dont think i am attacking you. and this is less me as a competitor, more as a consumer who questions every new sup. add in a little boredom and there you go.


Posted by: gopro

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glad you dont think i am attacking you. and this is less me as a competitor, more as a consumer who questions every new sup. add in a little boredom and there you go.
I can respect that


Posted by: soxmuscle

I will say...

While VPX Red Line (liquid and pill) did nothing for me, Basic Cuts didn't do anything for me either. Thing is, Basic Cuts are pretty much how they are advertised, basic focus/energy enhancer.


Posted by: jchappj

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Originally Posted by nni View Post
glad you dont think i am attacking you. and this is less me as a competitor, more as a consumer who questions every new sup. add in a little boredom and there you go.
I too am a little skeptical of anything that promises the world. Most of the time the world turns out to be very disappointing.
That having been said, I've never seen gopro endorse anything. He's really sticking his neck out for this product and he knows it. Must be something to it. I'll probably try it when it gets released.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by jchappj View Post
I too am a little skeptical of anything that promises the world. Most of the time the world turns out to be very disappointing.
That having been said, I've never seen gopro endorse anything. He's really sticking his neck out for this product and he knows it. Must be something to it. I'll probably try it when it gets released.
And of course, I am NOT making any guarantees! I am only reporting on 2 things...my experience, and the experiences of those that have tested the product. As with any product, results will vary among individuals. That said, I DO feel that Meltdown will prove itself to be one of the better fat burners on the market, and perhaps the best mood elevator/focus enhancer.


Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle View Post
I will say...

While VPX Red Line (liquid and pill) did nothing for me, Basic Cuts didn't do anything for me either. Thing is, Basic Cuts are pretty much how they are advertised, basic focus/energy enhancer.
have you tried Lean Fuel Extreme yet?
IronMagLabs LeanFuel Extreme


Posted by: nni

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle View Post
I will say...

While VPX Red Line (liquid and pill) did nothing for me, Basic Cuts didn't do anything for me either. Thing is, Basic Cuts are pretty much how they are advertised, basic focus/energy enhancer.
it takes 3+ pills for basic cuts to give me energy.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by Prince View Post
have you tried Lean Fuel Extreme yet?
IronMagLabs LeanFuel Extreme

YEAH!!!!!!! Have you, dammit!!!?


Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by Prince View Post
have you tried Lean Fuel Extreme yet?
IronMagLabs LeanFuel Extreme
I haven't, mainly because of a lack of funds after buying a ton of Maximum Pump this summer. Although, I've certainly been brainstorming how I could help out IM to get my hands on some LeanFuel Extreme.




Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by nni View Post
it takes 3+ pills for basic cuts to give me energy.
I usually take 4 or 5, but really only feel it if I take a coffee on top of that.

I think I just have a really high tolerance for stimulants..


Posted by: nni

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle View Post
I usually take 4 or 5, but really only feel it if I take a coffee on top of that.

I think I just have a really high tolerance for stimulants..
apparently to caffeine. 4 is 400mg, plus coffee is another 150,so yeah you are dead to caffeine, just like me.


Posted by: soxmuscle

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apparently to caffeine. 4 is 400mg, plus coffee is another 150,so yeah you are dead to caffeine, just like me.
I certainly wasn't bad mouthing your product, the first bottle I purchased last year was rather effective, it's just as you stated caffeine is dead to me.


Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle View Post
Although, I've certainly been brainstorming how I could help out IM to get my hands on some LeanFuel Extreme.
easy, help promote it, i.e. signature on other boards, I will gladly send you free supps if you can show me that you're doing some promotion elsewhere (no spamming of course).


Posted by: nni

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I certainly wasn't bad mouthing your product, the first bottle I purchased last year was rather effective, it's just as you stated caffeine is dead to me.
didnt take it that way, this is an open discussion.


Posted by: PreMier

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i havent put him through the ringer, i havent gone into the product at all, to me the product is suspect, and the results are phenomenal. it is out of respect to gopro that i havent elaborated on anything. im sure gopro is telling the truth, so that isnt up for question, but i tend to look at ingredients about new products, feedback is a touchy thing in the real world.
exactly.. so if im asking your thoughts, why are you not sharing them? its a discussion forum for a reason. i like eric, and i have learned a lot from him.. we disagree on certian things though, and thats fine.

i just want to know more about this, and if you could enlighten me that would be appreciated. i dont want this to turn into a fucking piss match though so if need be then PM me.


Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by gopro View Post
And of course, I am NOT making any guarantees! I am only reporting on 2 things...my experience, and the experiences of those that have tested the product. As with any product, results will vary among individuals. That said, I DO feel that Meltdown will prove itself to be one of the better fat burners on the market, and perhaps the best mood elevator/focus enhancer.
Yes there are no guarantees on this earth there are bad supps out there for sure but also some good ones and in my case(and i suspect for others also)that alot of the good supps are being used by those through word of mouth and endorsments thats the risk we take when we are searching for bodybuilding bliss. But i respect everyone's opinion on this thread


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by workingatit43 View Post
Yes there are no guarantees on this earth there are bad supps out there for sure but also some good ones and in my case(and i suspect for others also)that alot of the good supps are being used by those through word of mouth and endorsments thats the risk we take when we are searching for bodybuilding bliss. But i respect everyone's opinion on this thread
Your attitude is a good one


Posted by: dg806

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Originally Posted by PreMier View Post
i dont want this to turn into a fucking piss match
I don't think anyone sees it that way, and it's good to have a good discussion on supps. But as for me, I have been very skeptical of all supplement companies since right before the PH ban. Misleading claims, and catchy marketing angles mislead 99% of consumers that aren't VERY knowledgeable. Left a bad taste in my mouth for most supps. Now with that said, If Gopro said it works, I certainly believe it. I am not a chemical scientist, so I can't say if the ingrediants should work, but for me, I would be wary of what the methyls would do over a long peiod.


Posted by: NordicNacho

its out.

Meltdown Z-14 by VPX Discount Bodybuilding Supplements & Discount Nutritional Supplements Store

this looks nice too


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by NordicNacho View Post
I doubt they actually have it yet, but they may be taking pre-orders.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
Now with that said, If Gopro said it works, I certainly believe it. I am not a chemical scientist, so I can't say if the ingrediants should work, but for me, I would be wary of what the methyls would do over a long peiod.
Thank you for your confidence in me my friend.

And as far as the methyl's go, although VPX has run blood tests on users of Meltdown on cycles of up to about 16 weeks (with no indications of harm), I still advise people to cycle this product for no longer than 8 weeks at a time. I just think that makes good sense.


Posted by: X Ring

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Originally Posted by gopro View Post
I doubt they actually have it yet, but they may be taking pre-orders

Quote:
Originally Posted by NordicNacho
its out.

Meltdown Z-14 by VPX Discount Bodybuilding Supplements & Discount Nutritional Supplements Store

this looks nice too

I doubt they actually have it yet, but they may be taking pre-orders..
DPS Nutrition has it for less (as they do for pretty much everything). Says it is out of stock which maybe the preordering


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by X Ring View Post
DPS Nutrition has it for less (as they do for pretty much everything). Says it is out of stock which maybe the preordering
The best price will be at bodybuilding.com, however.


Posted by: zombul

We need an independent individual to try this product fairly and keep this thread updated to let the rest of us now how it is working.Any one???


Posted by: X Ring

I'll do it if you all want to pay for it. I am in a "body transformation challenge" at work. Fools are all going to lose. Anyway I am looking at using this or redline or something to that tune for 4-6 weeks.

GoPro got any samples so I can start sooner than when it is in stock?

Also, simply as a point. DPS has redline cheaper than bodybuilding.com, DPS has meltdown listed at $35 for a 120 mL but bobybuidling.com doesnt have it listed yet. That said I dont know if shipping is free at bodybuilding.com or there are some discounts. Honestly the few $ difference really doesnt matter.


Posted by: workingatit43

I am going to purchase the product when it comes to Nutraplanet if no one has started to log it i will be happy to would rather purchase it myself so i would feel no pressure to log in a certain way if it works the log will show that if not it would reflect but either way that will be my results it could be different results for others as supps can work for some and not others


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by zombul View Post
We need an independent individual to try this product fairly and keep this thread updated to let the rest of us now how it is working.Any one???
I have another tester completing his 4 week cycle this Friday, and I will post his feedback this weekend.


Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by gopro View Post
I have another tester completing his 4 week cycle this Friday, and I will post his feedback this weekend.
Sampling one of the guys or girls here for 4 weeks would be independent...


Posted by: X Ring

I'm going to run it for a few weeks (regardless if someone wants to donate some or not) and let you know what I see from it.

GoPro how much of this do I need for 4 weeks. I havent ever done a fat burner for more than 2 weeks and it wasnt recently so I dont have a tolerance/immunity where I may need higher dosages. I can't find anything that talks about dosage just that the bottles are 120 mL.

Do you have any more info on a release date? If it is going to be several weeks from now I am going to order some redline maybe.

Last question. How bad does this make you sweat when you are not working out? I am a financial planner and I dont need to be sweating my dress shirts out in meetings with my clients.

Thanks


Posted by: Triple Threat

I'm tempted to try it, but not until the January time-frame.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle View Post
Sampling one of the guys or girls here for 4 weeks would be independent...
Yes, I understand, but I have only been given a certain amount of product to allocate to my clients. This way I can control the variables.

Hopefully once a few people here purchase the product they will post their findings and opinions....good or bad.


Posted by: gopro

Quote:
Originally Posted by X Ring View Post
I'm going to run it for a few weeks (regardless if someone wants to donate some or not) and let you know what I see from it.

GoPro how much of this do I need for 4 weeks. I havent ever done a fat burner for more than 2 weeks and it wasnt recently so I dont have a tolerance/immunity where I may need higher dosages. I can't find anything that talks about dosage just that the bottles are 120 mL.

Do you have any more info on a release date? If it is going to be several weeks from now I am going to order some redline maybe.

Last question. How bad does this make you sweat when you are not working out? I am a financial planner and I dont need to be sweating my dress shirts out in meetings with my clients.

Thanks
First, the product