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Posted by: Prince

Eric, why are you promoting this product so heavily, honestly...

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by nni

cant be. per the labeling laws, the first listed ingredient has to be the highest. being as you said there were 75mg of caffeine, then there would have to be 75 or less of methyl tta. the math works out with the yerba mate and camp.

I understood Eric as saying ~75 mg of caff per cap and probably a little more than 75 mg MTTA per 3 caps.

Has anyone put forth any reason while methyl TTA would be more potent? What are standard doses of standard TTA?

Posted by: nni

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Originally Posted by Pirate!

ahhh, my mistake. one serving is three caps meaning around 225mg of caffeine leaving 92mg for the yerba, camp and mtta. so it could still be 75mg, but obviously less than 92.

no, i havent read anything that says methyl tta superior to tta or that a lower dosing is applicable.

regular tta hits the sweet spot around 2-3g.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by Prince

Eric, why are you promoting this product so heavily, honestly...

Like I stated in my opening post, I work as an independent contractor for several different companies, and as an independent contractor I am PAID to do whatever work I am contracted to do!! Yes, VPX pays me for my time.

However, like I also have stated...I don't care what I am offered...if a product does not work, I WILL NOT stand behind it...period. This is why I tested Meltdown on myself and 4 clients before accepting this promotion position with VPX. IF Meltdown did not prove itself to me, then I would not be doing this.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by nni

I posted a study at bbing.com talking about how methylation improved the utilization of several compounds...one being TTA.

Posted by: nni

a slight improvement in some areas, same in others, but nothing to show that the dosage can be cut so significantly.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by nni

a slight improvement in some areas, same in others, but nothing to show that the dosage can be cut so significantly.

Perhaps you are right, but overall the Meltdown formula (combination of ingredients) seems to be producing overwhelmingly good results for users. I have thus far only read feedback that ranges from good to excellent regarding Meltdown. I have now done two 4-week cycles myself, and find this to be an outstanding product, especially for those that don't tolerate stims very well.

Posted by: workingatit43

I must agree i do not handle stims well at all and i was able to use this with good results i am no expert in the mixing and matching of ingredients but whatever and how much of what in the product does not take away from the fact that it does work

Posted by: Lost Grizzly

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Originally Posted by X Ring

I went ahead and bought some of this (2 Bottles, I always buy more than I need). I just started it yesterday morning. I am going to take 1 cap 2 times/ day. So far I have taken 3 caps. I obviously havent seen any weight loss but I do have some sides.

Before I mention them I would like to preface this with I have never had any mental issues. I'm a pretty level headed guy. I am never all that pumped up or exceptionally down. Works out well for me as a personal financial planner, my clients like that. Also, I drink coffee, energy drinks, etc usually 1 16oz energy drink a day and 1-2 cups of coffee. I can handle caffeine. Although I have never used a fat burner or weight loss supplement

I was feeling a bit ampled up yesterday as I expected in taking this. took pill 1 at 7 am, pill two at 3:30 pm. I fell asleep last night without a problem but it was when I was sleeping that has me concerned. I by far, by multiples of 10 had the single most violent dream/nightmare I could imagine. I dont think of shit this messed up when I am awake and try to. Now if I dreamed I was Rambo kicking ass it would be cool. My dream was so F***ed up that I am afraid to tell my wife or anyone I work with. Usually in my dreams I cant scream, I can never hit anyone as hard enough to hurt them, I can't run fast, no one dies in a grusome manner.

I'm not going to go into detail here. I just want to know if anyone has had this happen from meltdown, other fat burners or other supplements. The extent of my supplement history is creatine, vitamins, protein, and ZMA back a few years ago. So nothing special, maybe people with more experience can chime in. I havent stopped taking it, so I'll see if it is temporary. I am really bothered by my dream last night to the point where co-workers are asking me if I am okay today and I was uncomfortable talking to my wife this morning.

As one gets older you dream less and less because we don't get the best of sleep. Some may have noticed that taking sleep ads like melatone it puts you to sleep fast and allows you to reach REM Rapid Eye Movement. REM is where you dream the most and is something that you may have been lacking for some time.

So my point is that with this new drug you have tapped in to more engery and may have been working your self harder making your self tired and when you go to sleep you reach REM which is giving you dreams that you may have been lacking.

Just my 2cents

Posted by: gopro

I just finished another 4-week cycle of Meltdown (my second), and I wanted to report on my results as compared to the first cycle:

-Fat Burning Ability...8
-Energy Enhancement...8
-Mood Affects...10
-Appetite Suppressing Capability...7
-Side Effects...10 (meaning I had little if any)

On my first cycle I started at 8.3% bodyfat and dropped to 7%. This time I started at 7.2% and dropped to 6.5%. This was again with no alteration in diet or cardio (my diet is quite strict in general and my cardio is 20 minutes every day).

There were no side effects at 6 total caps per day (2 three X per day), and my appetite was cut down, but not as much as the first cycle. My mental state, drive, concentration and focus were outstanding on this cycle, just like the first.

I did not burn AS MUCH fat this cycle as the first, but no matter what, fat loss will slow when you get into the mid-single digits like I am. I am still quite impressed that in two cycles of Meltdown I dropped a total of almost 2% bodyfat with no alternations in diet or cardio.

I expect that those with higher starting bodyfat %'s will see a greater OVERALL fat loss than I did.

The next time I use Meltdown it will be in my final phases of contest prep to see just how low in bodyfat it can help me get.

Posted by: workingatit43

I must admit it is great stuff and your right i did see alot of bodycomp changes at approx twice your bf% i will run another cycle probally around the end of spring thanks for the update

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Originally Posted by gopro

I just finished another 4-week cycle of Meltdown (my second), and I wanted to report on my results as compared to the first cycle:

-Fat Burning Ability...8
-Energy Enhancement...8
-Mood Affects...10
-Appetite Suppressing Capability...7
-Side Effects...10 (meaning I had little if any)

On my first cycle I started at 8.3% bodyfat and dropped to 7%. This time I started at 7.2% and dropped to 6.5%. This was again with no alteration in diet or cardio (my diet is quite strict in general and my cardio is 20 minutes every day).

There were no side effects at 6 total caps per day (2 three X per day), and my appetite was cut down, but not as much as the first cycle. My mental state, drive, concentration and focus were outstanding on this cycle, just like the first.

I did not burn AS MUCH fat this cycle as the first, but no matter what, fat loss will slow when you get into the mid-single digits like I am. I am still quite impressed that in two cycles of Meltdown I dropped a total of almost 2% bodyfat with no alternations in diet or cardio.

I expect that those with higher starting bodyfat %'s will see a greater OVERALL fat loss than I did.

The next time I use Meltdown it will be in my final phases of contest prep to see just how low in bodyfat it can help me get.

Posted by: gopro

I was just sent this feedback by email and figured I would post it here...

"I do not usually take stimulants and fat burners because I don?t like the way they make me feel. Usually they just make me sweat a lot, I can?t sit still, my hands shake, I get nauseous and moody?. I took Meltdown for the first time last Friday just to see what the hype was all about?. I am hooked!!! I have a great constant energy which is nice but the what is better than that is I am very focused and my mood is great?. I can?t really say if I have lost fat yet cause it is too soon but so far everything Meltdown has claimed it does is happening to me!!! I now take 2 Meltdown every morning."

Danny

"Meltdown is by far the “best “ fat burner that I have taken. I feel great taking it, with no side effects that most fat burners have. I have been taking the product for about 2 weeks. My appetite is more in check—eating every few hours, craving way less carbs. I actually feel leaner especially in my abs. I like the fact that you can take it 3xday. I would highly recommend this product to anyone trying to become leaner!"

Alex

Posted by: tomuchgear

so basicaly the common word here is that this stuff rocks well screw it i will give it a try. i love trieng out new stuff in my attempt to stay as close to naturaul as possible.

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by tomuchgear

so basicaly the common word here is that this stuff rocks well screw it i will give it a try. i love trieng out new stuff in my attempt to stay as close to naturaul as possible.

Yes i ran it and was very pleased and gopro has run it twice with great results i would say give it a whirl

Posted by: tomuchgear

i will pick some up later in the week i just got some ultra water today mostly for the potasium but i will try the meltdown as well man i miss stacker 3 with the ephedra

Posted by: HOOPIE

I plan on running Meltdown the last 8 weeks of my contest prep. I'm currently 9 1/2 weeks out so it will be soon.......

Posted by: Tier

I picked up some, will arrive soon. I'll update the thread.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by Tier

I picked up some, will arrive soon. I'll update the thread.

Thank you

Posted by: b_reed23

how long of a cycle did everyone run?

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by b_reed23

how long of a cycle did everyone run?

I have done two 4-week cycles, but others I know have done 6 and 8 weeks as well.

Posted by: NordicNacho

I've tried it and it does give really good focus with no stim sides for me. Almost comparable to a ssri to a point

Posted by: workingatit43

My cycle was just over 3 weeks and i liked it some sides in the beginning but went away and the mood thing was just awesome and it burned fat

Posted by: NordicNacho

seems to really stop impulsive eating by giving you that focus

Posted by: gopro

Good feedback guys, thanks!

Posted by: sadhu108

I'm not expert but I do have 10+ years behind me and i must say I'm skeptical for this one. I check around , nothing special is there to convince me go for it...
Time will show.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by sadhu108

I'm not expert but I do have 10+ years behind me and i must say I'm skeptical for this one. I check around , nothing special is there to convince me go for it...
Time will show.

Name a fat burner currently on the market that impresses you.

Posted by: Irons77

My wife just got her Meltdown after I told her about this thread, don't make me look bad man! lol 3 doses a day safe for about 6-8 weeks? Thanks

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by Irons77

My wife just got her Meltdown after I told her about this thread, don't make me look bad man! lol 3 doses a day safe for about 6-8 weeks? Thanks

That should be safe i took 3 caps x2 times a day but i am sure you could do 2 caps x 3 times a day or 1 cap x 3 times a day i would tell her to start slow to access tolerance i wish her luck

Posted by: Irons77

Thanks bro

Posted by: mamaj

Do you feel any withdrawl effects, like you tend to have with e/c/a stack, when coming off of a cycle?

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by mamaj

Do you feel any withdrawl effects, like you tend to have with e/c/a stack, when coming off of a cycle?

No i did not i could not stand the way i felt on eca and how i felt for a couple of days off it. I did not get a crash from Meltdown i only did slightly over 3 week cycle though

Posted by: mamaj

I loved the results I got from e/c/a stack, my fave was THERMOCORE from METRX, I just hated how I felt when coming off of it; all drained and tired.
I'm looking for a non stim f/b that actually works.

Posted by: Marcus ATW

VPX Redline (LIQUID) is a great product. When will Meltdown be available?

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by Marcus ATW

VPX Redline (LIQUID) is a great product. When will Meltdown be available?

Meltdown is available now

Posted by: Marcus ATW

Meltdown Z 14 just bought it with some Redline Liquid. Awesome Thanx!!

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by Marcus ATW

Meltdown Z 14 just bought it with some Redline Liquid. Awesome Thanx!!

Just do not COMBINE the two products at one time!

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by workingatit43

No i did not i could not stand the way i felt on eca and how i felt for a couple of days off it. I did not get a crash from Meltdown i only did slightly over 3 week cycle though

I agree...ECA is a fantastic fat loss combo, but once a cycle was over the crash is a lousy feeling.

I had no crash with Meltdown after a 4 week cycle.

Posted by: Marcus ATW

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Originally Posted by gopro

Just do not COMBINE the two products at one time!

Thank You cause I was going to. I appreciate it.

Posted by: tomuchgear

well sorry i didnt get to order as quick as i wanted to. i just orderd some today i will definetly post on here after i have taken it and all that good stuff. also thanks for the earlier tip about bodybuilding.com it was so freakin much cheaper than what gnc was selling it for. i look forward to trieng meltdown. i really miss stacker three with the ephedra though lol.

Posted by: mcguin

I am very interested in using the meltdown. I had really good results with animal cuts last year and tried lipo 6 a few months ago but wasnt too impressed. I'm currently taking Retain2 as a leaning agent. Would it be safe to take meltdown on top of retain2? In general what sorts of supps should you stay away from if your taking a thermogenic??? thanks guys.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by Marcus ATW

Thank You cause I was going to. I appreciate it.

You CAN utilize both by taking Redline only before workouts, and Meltdown at 1-2 other times per day...just never take both products at one time.

A few of my clients who workout in the morning take Redline beforehand, then take MD 1-2 more times during the day with doses spread apart by 5-6 hours.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by mcguin

I am very interested in using the meltdown. I had really good results with animal cuts last year and tried lipo 6 a few months ago but wasnt too impressed. I'm currently taking Retain2 as a leaning agent. Would it be safe to take meltdown on top of retain2? In general what sorts of supps should you stay away from if your taking a thermogenic??? thanks guys.

Retain 2 can be combined with Meltdown. Just do not combine MD with other caffeine, synephrine, ephedra or yohimbine containing products as that would cause too much CNS stimulation.

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by gopro

Retain 2 can be combined with Meltdown. Just do not combine MD with other caffeine, synephrine, ephedra or yohimbine containing products as that would cause too much CNS stimulation.

Hmnn i leaned out well on Retain2 during my last pct and when i ran Meltdown i think next time i run Meltdown i will stack it with either Retain2 or Lean Xtreme sounds like a killer fat burning stack

Posted by: mcguin

Im going on week 1 of using retain2...I think Monday I'll order some meltdown and start that as soon as I get it and stack it with the rest of the retain2...I haven't started doing my heavy cardio yet as I'm just coming off being sick plus its been a crazy week havent been to the gym...Monday though I'll start hardcore training and I've been on a very strict diet with 50%P/30%c/20%f...I already feel myself tightening up...cant wait to try the two products together, will let you know my results!

Posted by: HOOPIE

I just started running meltdown for the last 7 weeks of my contest prep.

Posted by: mcguin

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Originally Posted by HOOPIE

I just started running meltdown for the last 7 weeks of my contest prep.

and? how have the results been? what has your routine been like while on it?

Posted by: HOOPIE

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Originally Posted by mcguin

and? how have the results been? what has your routine been like while on it?

I just started running it 2 days ago. So results wise i have nothing to comment about. Now focus and energy is very nice, very smooth. No gitters with it at all which i like.

Posted by: tomuchgear

ok my meltdown arrived today. i will start taking it tommorow would have started it today but the wife has it in her car. i will post my opinion of it after a while.

Posted by: tomuchgear

first day on the meltdown i have taken two pills today. one when i woke up the one bout noon. as far as energy not bad. thermongenic effect very good. mood same as usual.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by tomuchgear

first day on the meltdown i have taken two pills today. one when i woke up the one bout noon. as far as energy not bad. thermongenic effect very good. mood same as usual.

Keep me posted as you go along. Thank you!

Posted by: tomuchgear

keeps good energy only thing i have noticed so far as far as sides. dont drink any caffine. i drank some of a energy drink got a upset stomach. other than that so far so good.

Posted by: Marcus ATW

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Originally Posted by gopro

Thank You for taking the time to let me know. I was going to ask you how to take them. I am expecting these products to arrive today. I will post my results. Thanks again for your time!!

Posted by: zombul

I have ran this for about a week now at 1 cap 3 times daily.I am going to move up to 4-5 caps day but havn't formed an opinion yet but will soon.

Posted by: HOOPIE

I really like the energy and focus i get from it during the day. Being on NO carbs can be a little tiring. Appetite is gone, i have to force myself to eat. One thing I notice is that its not a crazed shaking energy. Just feels very smooth.

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by HOOPIE

I really like the energy and focus i get from it during the day. Being on NO carbs can be a little tiring. Appetite is gone, i have to force myself to eat. One thing I notice is that its not a crazed shaking energy. Just feels very smooth.

That was my favorite thing about it the smooth energy

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by Marcus ATW

Thank You for taking the time to let me know. I was going to ask you how to take them. I am expecting these products to arrive today. I will post my results. Thanks again for your time!!

No problem at all my friend! It is my pleasure! If you have further questions, do not hesitate to ask me!

Posted by: Marcus ATW

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Originally Posted by gopro

No problem at all my friend! It is my pleasure! If you have further questions, do not hesitate to ask me!

I just checked with mass nutrition my package will arrive tomorrow. I know the results will be great, every product from VPX is the purest quality. I cant wait to post my results.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by Marcus ATW

I just checked with mass nutrition my package will arrive tomorrow. I know the results will be great, every product from VPX is the purest quality. I cant wait to post my results.

Posted by: mcguin

ordered the meltdown, should have it in a couple days. Will start logging results as soon as I start, hopefully monday.

Posted by: tomuchgear

going to start three pills today so far so good. i have noticed my mood seems to be happier than normal. also my mental focus is up. so far i am really liking this stuff.

Posted by: Marcus ATW

I received great pricing on VPX Redline Liquid and Meltdown Z-14 from Mass Nutrition. I started Meltdown this morning and I could not be more pleased with this product. Meltdown does exactly what it claims to do it has increased my mental clarity and mood without feeling jittery. The boys from VPX have done it again another GREAT product.

Posted by: MeatZatk

My order should arrive today or tomorrow, after reading all these reviews so far I'm getting pretty excited to get started!

Posted by: workingatit43

I am glad it seems everyone is getting the same basic results as i did it is a very good product

Posted by: HOOPIE

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Originally Posted by workingatit43

I am glad it seems everyone is getting the same basic results as i did it is a very good product

Its a pretty good supplement in my book. I currently running Dave Polumbo's diet for my contest prep and this supp. seems to give it that extra boost. My energy is up more. Running zero carbs for a whole week until Saturday at dinner can get tough on the energy. Meltdown gives me that extra boost along with having to force my self to eat....

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by HOOPIE

Meltdown works VERY well in conjunction with Dave's diet.

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by gopro

Meltdown works VERY well in conjunction with Dave's diet.

Hey gopro is the avatar a picture of your abs? If so great work those are some killer abs

Posted by: gopro

VPX Sports Meltdown®: Impact on blood norepinephrine and lipolysis by
Richard J. Bloomer

Introduction

The quest for a leaner physique is a path sought by many, from average fitness enthusiasts to advanced bodybuilders. To this end, multiple products currently exist within the category of lipolytic (i.e., fat loss) agents, with several new products emerging each year. While it is clear that there are few human clinical trials in which the actual product of sale has been used within the research design, there does at least exist some scientific rationale behind the blend of ingredients found in some of these preparations. A prime example is the lipolytic agent Meltdown®, which has been recently developed by VPX Sports. Unsolicited consumer testimonials surrounding this product have been quite positive, and anecdotal evidence indicates that Meltdown® is a real contender in this class, possibly in line to dominate in the near future.

The purpose of this article is to provide a brief overview of the process of fat mobilization and “burning”, in addition to providing a look into the science related to the proposed benefits of Meltdown®. An attempt has been made to limit scientific jargon and detailed scientific discussion, in order to provide a more reader-friendly article. Individuals interested in a more detailed discussion of the scientific rationale and process of engineering behind Meltdown® are referred to the article on this topic written by Jack Owoc, available at VPX Sports.

Lipolysis 101

Although the goal of fat loss may appear rather simplistic, the actual process of fat metabolism is quite complex. In fact, in most graduate level textbooks focused on metabolism, the process is separated into seven distinct steps, as listed below and shown in Figure 1.
1.Mobilization of fatty acids from storage form (triglycerides) from within adipocytes (i.e., fat cells)
2.Transport of fatty acids to the target tissue (via carrier protein albumin)
3.Uptake of fatty acids into the cell (via sarcolemma fatty acid binding protein and fatty acid transporter)
4.Activation of fatty acids (via ATP dependent process)
5.Translocation of activated fatty acids into inner mitochondrial matrix (via carnitine dependent enzymes: carnitine acyl tranferase 1 and 2—CAT1 and CAT2 [for long chain fatty acids])
6.Beta oxidation (the actual process of degrading fatty acids into products which will eventually be used for energy production—acetyl CoA and the electron carriers NADH and FADH2)
7.Krebs/Citric acid cycle/tricarboxylic acid cycle and electron transport chain (where ATP energy is actually produced from products created within beta oxidation—hence fat is now available as energy and ready to be “burned” as fuel)

Although each step is indeed important to the ultimate goal of “burning” fat, many lipolytic agents target the first step of this process in an attempt to make more fatty acids available in the circulation, in order to be picked up by active tissue to be used as fuel. With this in mind, the logical question becomes “What can be done to stimulate fatty acid mobilization?”

First, understand that this process itself typically involves the interplay between the enzyme hormone sensitive lipase (HSL), the specific hormones acting to stimulate HSL, and the receptors that bind to these hormones in order for them to exert their effect. Although other hormones are certainly involved in fatty acid metabolism (e.g., growth hormone, thyroid hormone, ACTH, cortisol), the chief hormones related to our discussion here are the catecholamines, epinephrine (EPI) and norepinephrine (NE). These interact with both beta adrenergic receptors (EPI and NE), as well as alpha-adrenergic receptors (NE). Depending on which receptors are activated, lipolysis can be either stimulated (beta) or inhibited (alpha), with optimal HSL activity observed in the presence of low insulin levels.

While certain drugs/nutrients can act directly on beta receptors in order to stimulate lipolysis, others act indirectly by stimulating an increase in NE, which subsequently binds these adrenergic receptors to allow for an effect. Unfortunately, as indicated above, NE is not selective in its binding. That is, while it can bind beta (1, 2, and 3 sub-class) receptors, it also binds alpha (1 and 2 sub-class) receptors. Hence, in a way, NE may both “stimulate” and “inhibit” fatty acid mobilization. Specifically, activation of alpha 2 receptors inhibits further release of NE, allowing NE to act as its own negative feedback signal. That is to say, it shuts off its own release. If fat loss is the goal, this is a highly undesirable effect.

Meltdown® Science: What and Why?

This is where the science of Meltdown® technology comes into play. First, while it should be noted that multiple key ingredients exist within this formulation, three include specialized forms of the nutrient Yohimbine (Yohimbine HCl, alpha-Yohimbine, and 11-hydroxy Yohimbine—with extended half-life). Yohimbine is the principle alkaloid from the herb Yohimbe, and acts as a selective alpha 2 antagonist. Hence, it can function to impair the negative feedback loop specific to NE. Moreover, it has been demonstrated that short-term Yohimbine supplementation can stimulate a significant rise in blood NE levels. Hence, Yohimbine supplementation may serve to optimize blood NE to allow for enhanced fatty acid mobilization. Coupled with regular exercise training (which by itself can improve all steps of fatty acid metabolism as described above), this approach may serve to maximize fat loss.

Aside from fatty acid mobilization, Yohimbine may also aid in lipolysis by acting to improve blood flow, and hence, transport of fatty acids to tissue to undergo oxidation. This is because alpha receptor activation promotes smooth muscle contraction leading to vasoconstriction (a decrease in blood flow). Thus, an alpha 2 receptor antagonist combination such as the three component Yohimbine matrix found in Meltdown® may be expected to improve blood flow. Indeed, isolated Yohimbine has been shown repeatedly in the literature to improve blood flow in regards to individuals with diseases that are associated with blood flow restriction. However, admittedly, studies would need to be done in healthy fitness enthusiasts/ bodybuilders in order to make such claims for Meltdown® specifically.
As mentioned earlier, Meltdown® contains several other key ingredients besides Yohimbine, including methyl Synephrine, a beta adrenergic agonist (beta 3 in particular). This functions to increase the metabolic rate while having little effect on heart rate or blood pressure—less anxiety/jitteriness. Coupled with the alpha antagonistic effects of the Yohimbine matrix, methyl Synephrine has the potential to further promote lipolysis. Furthermore, the addition of caffeine to this mix adds even greater potential.

The scientific team at VPX has also engineered two new forms of the amphetamine-like/thyroid stimulating agent Phenylethylamine (PEA). Because ordinary PEA was found to be metabolized far too rapidly, the novel compounds R-ß-Methylphenylethylamine (R-ß-M-PEA) and n-Methyl-ß-Phenylethylamine (n-Methyl-ß-PEA) were developed, and are contained within Meltdown®. The VPX scientists hypothesize that by adding a monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitor such as methyl Hordidine to the mix could significantly increase the duration of action of R-ß-M-PEA and n-Methyl-ß-PEA, while possibly allowing entry and transport across the blood brain barrier. This latter effect may bring with it mild feelings of euphoria. In addition to the effects on PEA metabolism, evidence is clear that MAO inhibition can extend the effects of Yohimbine, possibly improving the outcome of this three component Yohimbine matrix. This is because when used in combination, Yohimbine increases NE release, whereas MAO inhibitors hinder the typically observed NE degradation. The result—more NE available to promote lipolysis.

In addition to the above ingredients, Meltdown® contains methyl Tetradecylthioacetic acid, an agent with lipolytic properties related to the prevention of diet-induced insulin resistance and adiposity, in addition to induction of programmed cell death (i.e., apoptosis) within adipocytes. Meltdown® also contains Cholecystokinin (CCK-8), a hormone of the gastrointestinal system known for its effect on increasing satiety (feeling of “fullness”). This may have an impact on hunger, which is believed to be related to a decrease in the rate of gastric emptying. Lastly, Meltdown® contains cyclic AMP, a key “second messenger” system involved in hormone-receptor interaction associated specifically with beta receptors. Considering the collective matrix of potentially synergistic ingredients, in addition to the pharmaceutically inspired polymer based lipid delivery system (PolyLipid) which allows for “steady state” technology delivering both rapid and sustained controlled-release of the active ingredients, Meltdown® is certainly a product that has great potential as a lipolytic agent, ultimately leading to decreased body weight/fat.

Meltdown® Research Studies: Randomized, double blind, placebo controlled trials.

Although anecdotal reports indicating the effectiveness of Meltdown® are indeed exciting, the efficacy of this product needs to be evaluated in well-designed, randomized, placebo controlled trials. This is exactly what is currently being planned between VPX Sports and the University of Memphis. In the text below I present a summary of the work we will soon begin related to clinical testing of Meltdown®.

First of all, let me stress the fact that behind the extreme hype and marketing tactics of many sports nutrition companies, it is clear that few products have actually been tested in well-designed human clinical trials focused on weight/fat loss. Of course, in some instances, one of the “key” ingredients contained within the product may have been reported to have efficacy. However, the research design in many of these situations often has absolutely nothing to do with the product of sale! That is, many studies contain dosages of a certain ingredient at quantities that far exceed those provided within the actual product of sale. Also, the route of administration used within many of the research studies may not be the same (e.g., intravenous injection vs. oral intake). Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the subject population is often quite different. That is, most clinical studies focused on weight/fat loss have included obese individuals/animals as the target population. The reason for this is simple—such “subjects” typically experience a greater magnitude of change because they simply have more weight/fat to lose. Most consumers who do not fall within the same category as such test subjects should not expect the same degree of effect in terms of weight/fat loss. Of course, this is seldom mentioned in the advertisements. In our studies with Meltdown® we are attempting to mimic real-life scenarios in which consumers will be using this exact product.

For example, in our acute (short-term) study we will be measuring blood NE concentrations, in addition to metabolic rate for up to 90 minutes following intake of Meltdown®. In this study we will use resistance trained men (e.g., bodybuilders, powerlifters) who will ingest the actual product of sale (not simply one of the “key” ingredients), and will be provided the same dosage taken by most consumers.

In our chronic (intervention) study, we will enroll both men and women who are recreationally fit (i.e., who exercise 3-4 days per week) and who are in “average” physical condition (e.g., men 15-20% body fat; women 20-30% body fat). Although the magnitude of our observed change in weight/fat loss may not be as robust as if using obese individuals as subjects, consumers can be assured that the type of change reported in our work will likely be obtainable for them as well. Of course, individuals who are carrying more weight/fat than those in our study may expect to experience more pronounced effects. Aside from the issue of subject criteria, as with our acute study, we will be using the same product (Meltdown®) and dosing schedule as recommended to consumers. Our outcome variables (i.e., things we are most interested in measuring) will be multiple, including a variety of anthropometric tests (including dual energy x-ray absorptiometry for measurement of fat and fat free mass), metabolic tests (including resting metabolic rate), and bloodborne variables (including NE, lipids, glucose, inflammatory and neuronal cell health markers, etc.).

To our knowledge, this will be the most comprehensive clinical trial to date involving a nutritional supplement marketed as a lipolytic agent. To the credit of VPX Sports, they are interested and committed to invest the time and expense needed to test the efficacy of Meltdown®. In this way, we may generate evidence in support of the information discussed within this article. We hope to have preliminary data available by summer 2008. Stay tuned for more information related to this exciting work!

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Posted by: tomuchgear

hey quick update on the meltdown. well i am still loving the meltdown i am up to three pills a day. the update is i got my wife of the sobe adrenaline and on the meltdown. she is loving the smooth energy. she was very impressed with how well it works, and the lack of end of the day crash.

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomuchgear

hey quick update on the meltdown. well i am still loving the meltdown i am up to three pills a day. the update is i got my wife of the sobe adrenaline and on the meltdown. she is loving the smooth energy. she was very impressed with how well it works, and the lack of end of the day crash.

I just started using it again myself as I begin to prepare for the competitive season, and I just love the stuff. It puts me in a great mood and makes me so damn productive, LOL! The fat burning is a fringe benefit at this point.

Posted by: MeatZatk

"smooth energy" is the perfect description of this stuff. I buckled under pressure last night and had a few too many beers, wasn't feeling 100% this morning, but then two my first dose and am actually doing really well as of right now. I love it so far!

Posted by: HOOPIE

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Originally Posted by TFSUPPLEMENTS

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Not a bad price but you get smacked in the nose with shipping cost...

Posted by: gopro

Feedback from another board regarding Metdown. Was a rather complete assessment, so I figured I would add it here...

Ok. Thanks for the info. I just wanted to also share some of my experience with meltdown. I have taken it for two weeks. So far I rate as follows:

Fat Burning: 10
I believe this is unbelievable so far. I am already seeing the definition set in. I have taken clenbuterol before and I would say this is on par if not better because it hits beta-3 receptors as well.

Energy: 8
The energy level is great although I it could be better. However I realize this product is not really for energy.

Mood:6
I don't always notice the mood enhancing effects some report. I do notice I get some anxiety from this as I do most caffeine containing products. I am taking lexapro for general anxiety disorder so I realize not everyone will experience this.

Side Effects: I notice two major things. One I my heart is pounding almost the same as it was off of clen. I dont really mind this. Also, the axiety is there but as I said before, I am suffering from gad. This tends to go away the more tolerant I become of the caffeine in the product.

Overall: 9
This product is the best fat burner I have used so far. I have already gotten compliments. I will begin taking this with NO Shotgun as well which is probably my favorite workout product. And NO..i dont work for VPX. Its just one of the few companies that makes products I get results from. Anyone expecting miracles from a fat burner will be dissapointed. You need to put in the work. However, Meltdown is as much help as your going to receive from ever taking pills.

Posted by: tomuchgear

so far i am still loving the meltdown. i just had to order another bottle becouse the wife is taking it as well. so far she has said nothing but great things about it. thanks for this thread gopro. meltdown is a great product.

Posted by: mcguin

okay so I've been taking the meltdown for 5 days now, I started taking one in the morning and then one in the afternoon and since yesterday I am taking one in the morning and two in the afternoon. I will be starting my strict cutting routine at the gym tomorrow doing morning cardio followed by afternoon lifting. So far I feel the smooth energy but don't think its hitting me as strong as It could be. I want to get the most from this product, do you think starting tomorrow I can take 2 pills in the morning and two in the afternoon??? Even though it says not to take more than 3 pills a day?

Posted by: tomuchgear

other people have posted earlier in the thread that they took more than the suggested dosage, and had no problems. i took two this morning, and will take two later today i have yet to see any real negative side effect.

Posted by: urbanski

hey, i just joined to reply to this thread, so howdy

I am on day 2 of MD Z-14. I formed my initial opinion before reading this thread.
I am not jittery, no heart racing, no anxiety...no real "negative", but I am going slowly at just 1 cap/day in the AM. I feel "warmer" but not tingly. I think I can focus better, but we'll see since I have a large assignment at work coming up

Obviously no weight loss yet

Looking to become more cut.
Will keep folks posted.

Posted by: metalman89

The Best Price I Found Was At Discount Anabolics.com-32.95 They Bang you For 5.95 S&h So Its Gonna Be 38.95 Total. Im On 3 A day So Far. If I Gain A Tolerance Will Go To 3 And 2 Later in the day. THIS IS A REAL NICE SUPP. IT DOES DIVERT YOUR THINKING ABOUT FOOD. THIS WILL DEFINTELY HELP WITH FAT LOSS. ONE THING I HATED ABOUT FAT BURNERS LIKE ECA WAS THE CRASH. NONE WHATSOEVER WITH MD. MOOD IS GOOD. NO PROBLEMS TO REPORT. GREAT JOB ON THIS ONE,VPX.

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomuchgear

so far i am still loving the meltdown. i just had to order another bottle becouse the wife is taking it as well. so far she has said nothing but great things about it. thanks for this thread gopro. meltdown is a great product.

Don't just thank ME, thank VPX for putting out a truly wonderful product that lives up to its claims!

And thank YOU for adding your feedback!

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcguin

okay so I've been taking the meltdown for 5 days now, I started taking one in the morning and then one in the afternoon and since yesterday I am taking one in the morning and two in the afternoon. I will be starting my strict cutting routine at the gym tomorrow doing morning cardio followed by afternoon lifting. So far I feel the smooth energy but don't think its hitting me as strong as It could be. I want to get the most from this product, do you think starting tomorrow I can take 2 pills in the morning and two in the afternoon??? Even though it says not to take more than 3 pills a day?

I have had my best results taking 2 caps 3 X per day (6 total). However, everyone must assess their own tolerance level.

Taking just one more pill than your body can handle will lead to side effects. I now know that 6 is my limit.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by urbanski

hey, i just joined to reply to this thread, so howdy

Obviously no weight loss yet

Looking to become more cut.
Will keep folks posted.

Thanks for the feedback. Keep us posted!

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by metalman89

The Best Price I Found Was At Discount Anabolics.com-32.95 They Bang you For 5.95 S&h So Its Gonna Be 38.95 Total. Im On 3 A day So Far. If I Gain A Tolerance Will Go To 3 And 2 Later in the day. THIS IS A REAL NICE SUPP. IT DOES DIVERT YOUR THINKING ABOUT FOOD. THIS WILL DEFINTELY HELP WITH FAT LOSS. ONE THING I HATED ABOUT FAT BURNERS LIKE ECA WAS THE CRASH. NONE WHATSOEVER WITH MD. MOOD IS GOOD. NO PROBLEMS TO REPORT. GREAT JOB ON THIS ONE,VPX.

So far the overall feedback on Meltdown is nearly 100% positive, so this is really exciting! VPX has a real winner here, and they certainly invested the time and money necessary to build a great fat burning supplement.

Thanks!

Posted by: tomuchgear

oh i will keep updating my bf is 13-14% right now i just got done bulking. so after i get done with the meltdown i will post my results as well.

Posted by: workingatit43

Yes all the feedback i have seen has been positive Meltdown was a great fatburner imo and it seems also in many others also

Posted by: urbanski

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Originally Posted by gopro

Thanks for the feedback. Keep us posted!

several more days later, at 1 cap/day some days, others 2.
the appetite curbing is phenomenal. i eat half what i once did and feel full, then stay full....curbing the "snacking" i couldnt help before.
No crash is correct. when (if?) it wears off i cant tell. there is also no "buzz" nor "high"/shakiness. Its really just super smooth.
Bumped energy? Not so much. I didnt really seek that so much at I did the assistance in eating less...i totally recommend this product!
i am down 2lbs/4 days. Once I hit 115 (target) and feel cut enough, then I will build up with more weights and less aerobics.

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by urbanski

Sounds good bro keep it up

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by urbanski

Great stuff my friend. Thanks for the continued feedback. Meltdown really controls my appetite as well, which makes it a wonderful aid while dieting on submaintenance calories.

Posted by: HOOPIE

After 2 weeks of use i am down 7 pounds and thats without doing cardio. Been sick with a chest cold and unable to do cardio. Was able to start my cardio back up today so will see how good the results are in the next couple of weeks with cardio added...

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by HOOPIE

After 2 weeks of use i am down 7 pounds and thats without doing cardio. Been sick with a chest cold and unable to do cardio. Was able to start my cardio back up today so will see how good the results are in the next couple of weeks with cardio added...

Sorry to hear about the cold but great job on the 7 pounds

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by HOOPIE

Hope you feel better soon buddy! But 7 lbs in 2 weeks with no cardio? Pretty damn good!!

Posted by: mcguin

gopro- In your studies have you found anyone with sides like anxiety attacks or something along those lines? I don't want to blame the meltdown just yet but since last week when i started taking the meltdown I'm finding myself getting these weird anxiety attacks that I've never had before, I'm just curious and I dont want to link it to the meltdown in case it's something totally irrelevant.

Posted by: HOOPIE

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Originally Posted by gopro

Hope you feel better soon buddy! But 7 lbs in 2 weeks with no cardio? Pretty damn good!!

Surprised the hell out of me i can tell ya that. Makes it hell on contest prep, however things are rolling along with my prep. Meltdown keeps working like that and i will be REAL HAPPY come show date...

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by mcguin

gopro- In your studies have you found anyone with sides like anxiety attacks or something along those lines? I don't want to blame the meltdown just yet but since last week when i started taking the meltdown I'm finding myself getting these weird anxiety attacks that I've never had before, I'm just curious and I dont want to link it to the meltdown in case it's something totally irrelevant.

How many are you taking? has this been you started or how long after you started did this start to occur?

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by mcguin

I have seen people who are ALREADY SUSCEPTIBLE to anxiety attacks have problems with Meltdown (as they would with any stimulant containing product), but have never seen Meltdown cause any such problems in someone who does not have this tendency.

Posted by: mcguin

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Originally Posted by gopro

hmm...ive been on many stimulants before and I've never had attacks like this..very strange attacks...i started meltdown last week. last week i was taking one in the am and one in the pm, this week im taking two in the am and two in the pm before work out...im calling them panic attacks cause thats the only thing I can relate them to, but again since I've never had one before I'm assuming thats what they are.

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by mcguin

When exactly did they start at the very beginning pr was it after a dosage increase?

Posted by: mcguin

Quote:

Originally Posted by workingatit43

When exactly did they start at the very beginning pr was it after a dosage increase?

I started taking them on Tuesday of last week, Friday they started...and my dosage was two a day split one in the am one in the pm...this week I've uped the dose and I've only had a couple in the past few days...I'll see if maybe it goes away by the end of the week...I just dont understand how these would do it, if I've cycled many diet pills over the past years and never had anything close to a panic attack....

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by mcguin

Yes very strange could it be possible that it is stress related?

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by mcguin

Well, certainly do not increase the dose until this side effect goes away (if it is in fact the MD).

This is very odd indeed.

Posted by: gopro

Here is my newest client review. This is from a 33 year old male that has been training for 6 years and competes as a natural bodybuilder.

"Ok Eric, here is the deal. I will lay it out just like you asked me to, assessing Meltdown by category. Just so you know, my cycle went like this:

Week 1 - 1 cap 2 X per day
Week 2 - 1 cap 3 X per day
Week 3 - 2 caps, then 1 and 1
Week 4 - 2 caps, 2 caps, 1 cap
Week 5 - 2 caps 3 X per day
Week 6 - 2 caps 3 X per day

OFF

-Fat Burning Ability...10 - For me this was the most outstanding effect of the product. I saw results in the first week and then they got better with each passing week. I am so sorry I did not get my bodyfat tested but my weight went from 193 to 178 over the 6 weeks with no muscle loss that I can see. In fact, people think I look bigger, and I have new veins all over the place (forearms, abs, quads, delts).

-Energy Enhancement...6 - No major burst of energy, but definitely felt more clear and focused for the first hour or two after taking it each time. I learned to time this well around my workouts and cardio so it would hit me just when I needed it.

-Mood Affects...8 - I can't tell if Meltdown 'put me in a good mood,' or if I just liked the feeling of clarity and focus that it delivered. I certainly can say that I liked the way it made me feel in general. Very unlike most other fat burners, which can make me more irritable/jumpy than anything.

-Appetite Suppressing Capability...8 - For the first 4 weeks this effect was strong, but then began to diminish over the last 2 weeks. Great for cutting carb cravings and for keeping you from thinking about food all the time while dieting. I will definitely use MD during the first 4 weeks and the last 4 weeks of my contest prep.

-Side Effects...9 - Screwed with my stomach a bit in the first few days. Maybe a minor headache now and again, but overall I cannot report any consistent or truly upsetting side effects.

Bottom line is that Meltdown is a great product for fat burning and for helping make you feel more focused. Much different than something like Redline. VPX did good with this one bro. Thanks for letting me try it out!"

Posted by: mcguin

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Originally Posted by workingatit43

Yes very strange could it be possible that it is stress related?

I have a feeling this is stress related, as there is no consistency in when I have the attacks...just wanted to check if there was any other reports...but besides that so far I'm loving this product, cut my appetite in half, and 2 weeks in im feeling myself leaning out...great energy as well

Posted by: workingatit43

The only real way to tell is by stopping the product for say a week and see if you have any attacks let me know if i can help in any way and take care bro.

Posted by: mcguin

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Originally Posted by workingatit43

The only real way to tell is by stopping the product for say a week and see if you have any attacks let me know if i can help in any way and take care bro.

thanks very much for your support, I'll stay on the two in the am and two in the pm and see what happens for the next few days, like i said the past two days I've managed to avoid what i was having last week, if it goes away I know its either adjusting to the meltdown or totally unrelated...I hope you guys don't think i was putting this product down by posting on here, thats not my intention, so far i am very pleased with the energy im getting from the products...ill post my weight difference at the end of the week as this is the first week of taking 4 a day and going to the gym as last week i was just building tolerance and taking off from my gym routine...thanks again

Posted by: workingatit43

No you were putting a concern out there no problem with that i never got the impression that you were bad mouthing it and i hope it works out well for you.

Posted by: rippedintention

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Originally Posted by gopro

Retain 2 can be combined with Meltdown. Just do not combine MD with other caffeine, synephrine, ephedra or yohimbine containing products as that would cause too much CNS stimulation.

First of all gopro I would like to thank you and VPX, respectively for the thread and the product. I've read the entire thread and joined due to all the combined knowlege from all the posters. Here's the q:

I am currently taking 2 MDs twice a day about 8 hours apart. I just picked up some 25 mg Ephedrine HCL/200 mg Guaifenesin combination scored tabs.

I've read your warnings above but...................could I combine 12.5 mg Eph/100 Guaifenesin combined with 2 MD's twice a day for an even better one, two punch?

Posted by: clayu86

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcguin

Well I have to take medicine for anxiety...sounds stupid because Im known to take synthetics also, but the zoloft seems to suppress the anger and keep my anxiety down. As for what Gopro said...alot of times if you are known for getting anxiety they can increase anxiety. I doubt that meltdown made you develop the anxiety...somewhere along the lines you are probably just an anxious person....and people who have anxiousness are effected by caffein, yohimbine products very easily...sometimes not easily but you get what I am saying. I am in no way promoting or trying to help out meltdown as I have never tried the stuff but I am doing this because I know as an anxious person myself how certain supplements can effect you. At the same time I am not downing meltdown. It seems to have good feedback, and works well for some people. If you are susceptible to anxiety though or it causes anxiety or if you are trying to determine where the anxiety came from, take a break or get off of it. Be careful....goodluck.

Posted by: clayu86

Keep watch over your anxiety levels also if you find it is not the meltdown. Anxiety depression is a real disorder out there and is treatable if it comes down to it. Trust me, if it comes to the point where it is unbearable..there is nothing wrong with getting help. I believe the good Lord put stuff like that on the earth to aid us along in life. I am not implying anything, just trying to make sure you be aware of that. Me being in the military, they take really good care of us medically, and psychologically and this is an area they take of great concern.

Posted by: clayu86

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Originally Posted by mcguin

Brother, posting stuff as you did does not put down VPX one bit. It will actually make them a better company.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by mcguin

As a Meltdown representative I can tell you that in no way do I feel you have put VPX or the product down. I think it is great that you expressed your concern and asked about it. This can help other users that might be in a similar situation to you.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by rippedintention

Thanks for your kind words. You are quite welcome.

I could not comfortably recommend to you that you combine ephedrine along with Meltdown. MD is quite powerful on its on, and adding another stimulant, especially one as potent as ephedra could prove dangerous.

That said, if you DO choose to do so, definitely start with only 12.5 mg per dose and only once per day. You may tolerate this just fine, or you may not, but at least starting with the lowest dose will keep you as safe as possible.

Like I said, this is not something I or VPX would recommend, but the decision is yours. Please just be sensible and careful.

Posted by: urbanski

i'm at what, about 2 weeks of MD now. Only 2/day. Appetite control continues. Very easy to suppress cravings. Survived 1-week vacation (no real control over meals) with no weight gain

Still very positive. Will take for maybe 2 more weeks then stop for a time.

Posted by: zombul

Finished my cycle about a week ago and did notice it disrupted my sleep.I saw nothing incredible and not a miracle pill but good for an OTC for weight loss.It did increase my energy and didn't make me jittery and helped w apetite as well.

I GIVE IT A 7.5 OF 10

Posted by: mcguin

im week two into meltdown and so far down a solid 5lbs with no sides that I know of...great energy and appetite suppresant...

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by urbanski

i'm at what, about 2 weeks of MD now. Only 2/day. Appetite control continues. Very easy to suppress cravings. Survived 1-week vacation (no real control over meals) with no weight gain

Still very positive. Will take for maybe 2 more weeks then stop for a time.

Good stuff so far!

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombul

Finished my cycle about a week ago and did notice it disrupted my sleep.I saw nothing incredible and not a miracle pill but good for an OTC for weight loss.It did increase my energy and didn't make me jittery and helped w apetite as well.

I GIVE IT A 7.5 OF 10

Less than the average reviews for most, but still pretty decent. Thank you for the honest assessment!

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcguin

im week two into meltdown and so far down a solid 5lbs with no sides that I know of...great energy and appetite suppresant...

Great to hear! Please continue to keep me posted! Thank you.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by evilsonic9999

Hows going any updates?

One of my clients is about to send me an update after taking MD for 6 weeks. Will post it as soon as I get it!

Posted by: gangstabo

I been taking meltdown for about 2 weeks now and ive seen vary little results nothing too serious. I take it twice in the morning and then once more in the evening right before i workout which is my cardio (jiujitsu/MMA).

Would it be better to take 1 capsule 3 times a day and spread them out? or 3 at once or what im doing is fine?

Im open to all suggestions I hear so many different things I dont know who to believe, someone help me PLEASEE?????

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by gangstabo

I been taking meltdown for about 2 weeks now and ive seen vary little results nothing too serious. I take it twice in the morning and then once more in the evening right before i workout which is my cardio (jiujitsu/MMA).

Would it be better to take 1 capsule 3 times a day and spread them out? or 3 at once or what im doing is fine?

Im open to all suggestions I hear so many different things I dont know who to believe, someone help me PLEASEE?????

You may need to go above 3 caps per day. So far it seems that most users report great progress on somewhere between 3 and 6 caps per day. I would try going to 2 caps twice per day for a week and see if that works better.

Posted by: gopro

Ok my friends...yet another dose of feedback regarding Meltdown. This one is from a 28 year-old female client that has used several fat burners, all with pretty decent results. While she regularly used VPX's Thinfat and Zero Carb, she has never used Clenbutrx or Redline, so this is her first shot with a VPX fat burner.

"Sorry this is a few days late Eric, but work and two kids can keep you busy! Anyway, I used Meltdown exactly the way you told me and did not have to make any adjustments due to side effects. Of course I followed the normal diet and training/cardio protocol that you set for me (which remained the same as the previous 4 weeks so that Meltdown was the only variable in the equation)."

Week 1: 1 capsule twice per day
Week 2: 2 caps before meal one and 1 cap before meal 3
Week 3: 2 caps before meal one and 2 caps before meal 3
Week 4: 2 caps before meal one, 2 caps before meal 3, and 1 cap before meal 5

-Fat Burning Ability...9 - Started at 21% body fat and it went down as follows: after week 1 (20%), after week 2 (19%), after week 3 (17.7%), after week 4 (16.5%). So, I lost 3.5% body fat in 4 weeks! I noticed it most in my legs for sure.

-Energy Enhancement...7 - It is certainly not like ephedra in this regard, which gives me mega-energy. However, I DID notice that I felt more focus and got a few extra reps on most exercises when taken before weight training.

-Mood Affects...6 - This is a tough one for me to judge because as you know I am normally a very happy and up-beat person! That said, there were a few times I found myself humming about 30 minutes after taking Meltdown, which is something new for me, LOL.

-Appetite Suppressing Capability...9 - Definitely felt this aspect of Meltdown. From the first dose my appetite was less, and it was easier to follow the low carb plan you generally have me on. Went to the movies almost every weekend while on MD and did not even crave popcorn, which is a huge weakness for me!

-Side Effects...A+ - Did not notice a single problem while on MD at any dose.

Bottom Line: Get me more! LOL!

Posted by: urbanski

how are folks measuring their body fat so closely?
i did the "us navy" method, got 22% and laughed (I weigh 115lbs and guesstimate my body fat to be single digits).

Posted by: Tier

Well I think I have taken it roughly 3 weeks and it's a really strange product in a positive way, never really have seen anything like it.

I was pretty skeptical as I am of all these kind of products, all BS aside, keeping in mind I don't respond at all to most products (creatine, glutamine, s-drol, formadrol, masterdrol) for the most part. these are my results.

Mental Focus was increased until my body got used to it, but then there was nothing noticeable and I have ADD so I would notice it.

No mood effects or Side effects

Energy increase is very noticeable

**big one for me, I did lose 1 pound but it seems to have somehow retained my weight but reduce my bf% significantly, if you told me it would do this before I started taking it I would dismiss the product most likely.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by urbanski

how are folks measuring their body fat so closely?
i did the "us navy" method, got 22% and laughed (I weigh 115lbs and guesstimate my body fat to be single digits).

Most of my clients use DEXA scan or hydrostatic weighing.

Posted by: gopro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tier

Well I think I have taken it roughly 3 weeks and it's a really strange product in a positive way, never really have seen anything like it.

I was pretty skeptical as I am of all these kind of products, all BS aside, keeping in mind I don't respond at all to most products (creatine, glutamine, s-drol, formadrol, masterdrol) for the most part. these are my results.

Mental Focus was increased until my body got used to it, but then there was nothing noticeable and I have ADD so I would notice it.

No mood effects or Side effects

Energy increase is very noticeable

**big one for me, I did lose 1 pound but it seems to have somehow retained my weight but reduce my bf% significantly, if you told me it would do this before I started taking it I would dismiss the product most likely.

The feedback on MD so far has been phenomenal...even better than VPX hoped! It is rapidly proving itself as a heavy hitter in the industry.

Thanks for your post!

Posted by: tomuchgear

bf down to 11% so meltdown freaking rocks for me.

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by tomuchgear

bf down to 11% so meltdown freaking rocks for me.

Thats awesome bro

Posted by: tomuchgear

thanks workingatit also thanks gopro for telling me about meltdown.

Posted by: workingatit43

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Originally Posted by tomuchgear

thanks workingatit also thanks gopro for telling me about meltdown.

I am pleased you enjoyed it and got great results

Posted by: tomuchgear

definetly i am still on it for another week or so. i suggested meltdown to my boss today. my wife loves the stuff as well but she has low bf for a women any way. when she started she was at 18 now she is down to 17. she only takes two pills a day.

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by tomuchgear

thanks workingatit also thanks gopro for telling me about meltdown.

Really happy it is doing well for you. A truly teriffic product.

Posted by: Xwing

Starting tomorrow .. i read a lot and that made me start .. hope you guys will follow me .. and help! ... 1.76 / 83.2 (182) target (168) but in shape ....
only question is how long.. how many cycle...!

Lets go!

Posted by: tomuchgear

i ran mine for bout five weeks. i got up to 6 pills a day worked great for me. just get to a dose that is comfortable you should be fine.

Posted by: Bradicallyman

I used 6 a day as well. Just remember to start off low and work your way up to a comfortable level.

Posted by: Xwing

Hi,

When did you get first visibable effect, feeling and size? I read a lot but finaly there is little about what physically or mentally to expect. Are you all working out just after? I travel a lot so if one of you do the same or have any idea how to manage, ideas, etc ... then Most welcommed!

Have great Day!

Posted by: mcguin

I did a 5 week cycle on VPX, it worked great as an appetite suppressant and I lost a solid 8-10 lbs by week 4. I am off right now as I didnt want to build such a tolerance to it that i didnt feel it anymore. Will probably go back on after a 2 week break, or I might look into the new hot rox extreme, not sure as of the moment whether I want to switch or not...but meltdown is a great product and highly recommend it with a clean diet and exercise...

Posted by: gopro

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Originally Posted by mcguin

I did a 5 week cycle on VPX, it worked great as an appetite suppressant and I lost a solid 8-10 lbs by week 4. I am off right now as I didnt want to build such a tolerance to it that i didnt feel it anymore. Will probably go back on after a 2 week break, or I might look into the new hot rox extreme, not sure as of the moment whether I want to switch or not...but meltdown is a great product and highly recommend it with a clean diet and exercise...

Wow...8-10 lbs in 4 weeks? That is awesome bro! Smart move taking a short break, as your body can build tolerance to any supplement rather quickly.

Posted by: workingatit43

I agree that is awesome great job

Posted by: tomuchgear

i really dont know when i first saw results but in a five week period i decreased body fat by 2%. also i did not change any thing in my diet or workout. i wanted the meltdown for a pick me up. the product is stand alone in my book just great stuff.

Posted by: llllern

very nice I have heard good things

Posted by: mcguin

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Originally Posted by gopro

Wow...8-10 lbs in 4 weeks? That is awesome bro! Smart move taking a short break, as your body can build tolerance to any supplement rather quickly.

gopro- this past week since I've been off of the meltdown its such a drastic difference in energy. Im in slow motion over here! how long do you think is adequate for a break before I go back on it? Do you think 1 week? 2 weeks is good?

Posted by: Irons77

About 4 weeks, that's what I was told

Posted by: Xwing

i plan to get every day 30 min cardio cycle mainly (to heavy to run ... scared for joins) and a mix of exercise for strength changing every day body parts but i would like to work particularly abb's. Any recommendation?

Posted by: mcguin

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Originally Posted by Xwing

i plan to get every day 30 min cardio cycle mainly (to heavy to run ... scared for joins) and a mix of exercise for strength changing every day body parts but i would like to work particularly abb's. Any recommendation?

depending on your weight I wouldnt worry about your abs until you've gotten your bodyfat significantly down which means cardio, and more cardio

Posted by: tomuchgear

as many people have said before abs are made in the kitchen. make sure you diet is in check, and your training. as for good ab movements use the search function as there have been many threads about abs.

Posted by: gopro

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