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No protein in meal 4? That's wierd. That's more like a snack than a meal.
How many grams of protein are you taking in? Doesn't look like much. I'd ditch the starchy carbs after meal 4. you don't need a cup full of pasta before bed! Have a casein shake instead (long lasting protein - perfect for sleep). Sups? Multi-vit? |
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Hey - thought I'd stop in and check this out! What type of workout plan do you have?
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I totally agree Big, I would drop the pasta too. I would drop the pasta all together after lunch to be honest with you. But here I sit working for a dietitian and I'm just now getting my fat butt on the ball too.....so who am I?
Errm, then how about brown rice with dinner? That's certainly not as starchy as pasta. Or perhaps a sweet potato or some kind of squash? Don't mistake your nuts for protein either. Those are fats (with protein) and not that much to be honest with you. One ounce of salted, dry roasted peanuts only has 6.71g protein, but has 165 calories and 14g of fat. One ounce of whole almonds is no better at: 169 calories, 5.87g. protein and 14.2g of fat. So then I guess I can have the nuts as long as i don't make 'em the 'source' of my protein for that meal, right? nuts + something else that's a major protein source and i'll be ok, right? |
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good luck with your journal and your journey.
nothing sucks more that having an injury that prohibits you from doing the things that you really want to do. just give it time, keep going to the gym and passing time doing the little things, next thing you know it will all come back together agian. |
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Protein is comprised of numerous "amino acids", most of which your body can actually make for you. The remaining 9 amino acids are considered Essential Amino Acids and you must get them from food. The protein in Almonds and Peanuts is considered an "incomplete protein" becuase the protein molecules contain an insignificant amount of one or more of the Essential Amino Acids. Your body can not repair your muscles if it is deprived of any one of these essential amino acids. Imagine building a house, but not including 1 out of every nine bricks! Disaster! For protein, stick to meat, fish, eggs, whey, casein - i.e. animal sources. You could mix rice and beans for example (which are both incomplete proteins) because rice has the essential amino acids that beans lack, and vice versa (i.e. together they make a complete protein) but, honestly, I'd stick to animal sources if I were you. ONE OTHER THING... Almonds and peanuts are both high in Omega 6 oils. Your body needs this kind of oil, but it needs Omega 3 oils with it to be able to utilize it. I put some peanut butter in my bedtime shake and to utilize the oil I add some walnuts (high in Omega 3s). For breakfast I spread peanut butter on my toast and, again, to utilize it, I have some Fish Oil capsules (again, high in Omega 3 oils). Make sense? |
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Re: Workout plans...
Ditch the decline dumbbell press... This targets your lower chest which will cause a breast-like chest development. Your lower chest gets involved with flat bench-pressing anyway, so you don't need to hit it any more. breast-like chest development??! boobs are great, just not if they're mine Ditch the dumbbell flys.. they just don't do shit for building mass. Use cable Xover if you want to target the center of your chest. If you must do some "curls for girls" do them at the end of your workout. Don't wear your arms out at the start of your workout. you'll need 'em. PS. If you've still got energy for curls at the end of your workout, you're not working hard enough! Strap weights to yourself next time you do chins. Do 40 or 50 reps, no matter how many sets you need to do to get 'em done. You won't feel like doing curls after that lot (and your lats will grow like freakin' wings!) unfortunately pull ups seem like a long way off until my shoulder can support all that weight hanging on it... i've already overdone it once since the injury and i gotta make sure it doesn't happen again. |
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That is the most clear explanation I've gotten on animal proteins vs. non-animal proteins. THANK YOU!! You're welcome.
I'm taking 3 fish oil capsules after every major meal, I personally think that's too many. Take 'em with your vitamins (A, D and K are oil soluble, so you need oil with your multi-vit) and take them with snacks high in Omega 6 oils - peanuts, almonds etc. (e.g. so maybe i'll make sure when i have nuts to have them with the fish pills as opposed to a snack 2-3 hours after i take the fish oil. aah, that makes soo much more sense. Remember though that your body is able to process Omega 3 oils without the presence of Omega 6 oils, so if you snack on some Walnuts, or have a little bite of salmon, you don't need to supplement Omega 6 oils with it. question: what about cheese/yogurt/CC? are these indirectly animal proteins? Cheese is just saturated fat. I don't eat any of it. I prefer to get my saturated fats from a good lean steak. If you do eat cheese don't eat much of it! Yogurt has protein in it, but I wouldn't use it as a protein source because it's very very high in sugar (lactose = sugar) which will spike your insulin, increase your cortisol levels and not help one bit in losing fat! Fat free yogurt helps in maintaining your digetive tract, but you honestly only need a tablespoon every few days to do that. Yogurt is basically just sugar. I'll put a tablespoon in a shake a couple of times a week, that's about it. CC (presumably Cottage Cheese) is just disgusting. I buy it sometimes with the best intentions of eating it but I rarely do. It just sits in the fridge until it dies. It may be high in sugar too. you'd have to check the label. My guess is that it is - It's dairy afterall, and dairy is loaded with lactose. or should i always have some animal proteisn WITH the dairy. i don't do dairy too often maybe once every other day. no i take that back, usually i'll have a slice of cheese on my sandwich or a string cheese as part of my snack. looks like i need to consider casein... Definitely. Every night before bed. You should be sleeping 8hours (to enable Growth Hormone release) and that means you're not eating for 8 hours and are therefor going into a catabolic state due to protein deprivation. Casein stays in your system for around 7 hours versus 2-3 with whey. i.e. Casein will stop your muscles breaking down before you wake up. btw, Big, seriously 11 egg whites for breakfast everyday??? Yup. Actually it's 12. I include the yolk with the 12th and record it as a whole egg rather than an egg white. My advice to you is this... Using a blank day in Fitday.com (i.e. a day with no data in it) make yourself some ideal meals. Let's say, for example, that you want toast and egg for breakfast. Let's also say that your cutting so you're on a 2,000cal diet. You want to eat every 2˝-3hrs so you're going to eat six meals. I recommend tapering your calories (high cal early in the day, low cal before bed - you don't need lots of carbs late in the day - that means no rice, sweetpotatoes, bread, yams, corn... after about 4pm). Anyway... I digress.... Enter a slice of bread(Find "Ezekiel 4:9" bread BTW - unique combination of sprouted whole grains makes a complete protein You can't have that. Delete the 3eggs you just added and add 6 whites instead. You now have 35g protein and your meal is still only 343cal. Some fish oil capsules along with your vitamins will bump that up to around 375g.And Ľcup fat free milk in your coffee will add another 20cal. Now you're looking at a 395cal meal with 35g protein, 9g fat and 40g carbs. the calories are 22%fat, 37%carbs and 41% protein i.e. Damned near perfect.Congratulations you just made breakfast! Now... print that out, put it in a ringbinder (in the "Ideal Cutting Breakfasts" section), delete everything from fitday and go on to make meals 2-6. Remember to make each meal slightly smaller than the last (e.g. meal 1=400cal, meal 2=375cal, meal 3=350cal etc...). That way you won't be carbed up just before bed and you'll actually be burning fat for energy while you sleep! You can't beat waking up leaner than when you went to bed! 11whites, 1whole egg, 2pc bread w/PB, coffee, fish oil caps, and several pieces of fruit is around 700 cal. Daily intake is 3,500-4,000cal for me, so 700cal is just over 1/6th of daily intake. I also make sure that I get 2g of protein per 1lb of me (no danger to kidneys with 1gal daily water intake) and a dozen eggs fits the bill quite nicely. Lift big Eat big Rest big BE BIG!! |
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breast-like chest development??! boobs are great, just not if they're mine
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Additionally... since you're obviously reviewing my food log...yea, haha i'm always running out of ideas for stuff to eat and it helps me be creative to see what other people are eating
Note that my meal 6 is just a casein shake with a few fresh strawberries and cranberries in it (i.e. very low carb - a far cry from my high carb breakfast). I use casein and whey so I get the quick-hitting power of whey with the long-lasting effects of the casein. Any ideas for a good (inexpensive) casein powder?Plus I use heavy cream and water instead of milk to avoid the lactose (sugar, remember?). You're actually better to have a tablespoon of heavy cream in your coffee in the morning rather than fat free milk. It sounds crazy I know, but your body can process fats. It's the carbs that'll getcha. Don;t be afraid of fats. Have a salad with salmon, olive oil, avocado and walnuts as meal 5 if you want. It's loaded with fat, but it's very low carb. Eating fat won't make you fat. Good fats rock! And they taste Mmm-Mmm-Good!!Hmm, one of my goals is to keep my fat consumption below 30% everyday. I'll have to think about all this. Plus my shoulder really limits what I can and can't do at the gym. I wonder if this will get in the way of me burning fat?http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/im...lies/thumb.gif FYI... My meal 5 is always enormous (love to come home and stuff myself on the couch) but it's only ever grean veg and meat, fish or egg. |
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Squats with BB on shoulders - what do you call that? Just "Squats", no?
Deadlifts 110lb:5x10 - shoulder limitations here? Pistol Squats bw+40lbs 3x10 - I just googled these. Never knew what they were. Have never done 'em. Do you go ass-to-the-grass with 'em? I can't imagine doing that after I'm done doing squats and deadlifts. Phew! Sounds like torture. I'll have to try. I wonder if I could get up without any extra weight! ![]() |
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Originally Posted by nadirmg View Post Squats with BB on shoulders - what do you call that? Just "Squats", no? Deadlifts 110lb:5x10 - shoulder limitations here? Pistol Squats bw+40lbs 3x10 - I just googled these. Never knew what they were. Have never done 'em. Do you go ass-to-the-grass with 'em? I can't imagine doing that after I'm done doing squats and deadlifts. Phew! Sounds like torture. I'll have to try. I wonder if I could get up without any extra weight! |
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Did you get an MRI for your shoulder? What kind of doctor diagnosed your injury?
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looks like you are getting some great advice and knowledge, both on the lifting and the eating part. i personally have a hard time being really strict with the eating, which in part just slows down my progress on the lifting.
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keep it going big guy. now use that mind frame everyday and you will be suprised at how the pr's will start coming.
I thought for sure my legs would be killing me all over. I guess that means I can up the weight, decrease reps, and start upping the reps slowly!
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Rest day!
Meals today Meal 1 - 1 whole egg, 3 whites, oatmeal, 1/4c ff milk, whey Meal 2 - 1/2 can of green beens, whey, 1 string cheese Meal 3 - spinich, boiled boneless skinnless chcien breast, 1 sm apple, 1c broccoli Meal 4 - Whey, 12 baby carrots Meal 5 - Tuna Salad Meal 6 - Veggie soup, Turkey, mozz cheese, FF mayo, 2 slice WW bread Pre-Bed Meal - 1/2c CC, 1 TBSP Nat PB Inside of my legs feel a little tight. Other than that no soreness after my crazy-ass hard leg day yesterday?? I thought for sure my legs would be killing me all over. I guess that means I can up the weight, decrease reps, and start upping the reps slowly! |
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Are you trying to bulk or cut? I'm eating more than that on a cut. Also canned veggies are no good, go for the frozen ones.
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Ya dude no caned veggies theres almost no nutritional value to them. Try steaming some frozen ones, they taste way better and are much better for you. Your protein intake is plenty you souled up your carbs to make up for the cals you need. Id try to get in at least 2500 cals a day.
I'm not an expert at all. If you want some good info search the user name "Jodi" shes knowledgeable about all of this. Have fun bulking, its the best part of BB. |
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I second the nix on the canned veges.. just because of the sodium and how long they have actually been on the shelf..
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Congrats on the PRs.
Me personally I dont like to do squats and deads on the same day. Its better to do them completely fresh so you can get the best results out of them. |
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Are you trying to bulk or cut? I'm eating more than that on a cut. Also canned veggies are no good, go for the frozen ones.
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just curious but what are your stats? i'm 27 years old, 5'5'' and about 135 lbs, so my maintenance is right around 2250-2500.
depending on your size, yes, you would eat more than that on a cut ![]() i'm still trying to decide specifically what i'm going for. i think i'll end up bulking. need to get 2500-2700cal a day...wow that's a lot of food (if it's healthy food, that is) lol |
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You must be quite cut already at that weight/ stat. I'm 5'7/8" 155lb's. Started out at about 138 lb's. Mind, I have'nt tried to bulk properly.
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Great deads!
Im with JH on that one. I never do deads and squats on the same day - gosh i would die! |
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little layer of fat, little layer of fat. shit, what i would do to be able to say that.
besides, you are young enough to be able to put some good mass on with the proper supp. and good eating. at 5'5 if you get up to 165 or 170 you are gonna look huge. |
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you say that now, but it is an addictive life style. one body part always seem to be lagging so you have to bring it up and then you start the whole vicious cycle.
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you say that now, but it is an addictive life style. one body part always seem to be lagging so you have to bring it up and then you start the whole vicious cycle.
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just curious but what are your stats? i'm 27 years old, 5'5'' and about 135 lbs, so my maintenance is right around 2250-2500.
depending on your size, yes, you would eat more than that on a cut ![]() i'm still trying to decide specifically what i'm going for. i think i'll end up bulking. need to get 2500-2700cal a day...wow that's a lot of food (if it's healthy food, that is) lol |
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lol. oh, please no. i hope i don't get that huge. if i get too huge i'll just end up looking shorter
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you say that now, but it is an addictive life style. one body part always seem to be lagging so you have to bring it up and then you start the whole vicious cycle.
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Yeah, I agree w/Sam. Up the cals, you're very lean. You're diet looks good though and I like your workout... looks great!
As far as the smith bar,, I have no clue how much it weighs.. ![]() That "eating all day" feeling... yeah, it's constant with me, I think just because now I'm dieting and taking tons of fresh veggies, which take forever to chew.. that's it... I just get tired of chewing.. ![]() |
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Going by your macros your level of fat is quite low so i would up that a bit if i were you.
Also, the good thing about fat is that its so calorie dense that you only need a little to increase your cals, which is great when you're sick of eating all the time or when you don't have time to eat very often. I suggest peanut butter or oily fish or some nuts to help you on your way |
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i say pizza, spaghetti, lasagna. you feel so much better after you eat a meal like that
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we had pizza during my daughters b-day party 2 weeks ago, and i dont see us eating any of those for the next 4 months. that sucks
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Those are some impressive squats for your weight. Make sure your goin at least parallel or even better ATG bro.
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these are 'assisted' wimpy pullups, subtacting 55lb pounds off my own bodyweight. so i'm only pulling about 90lbs each time. before i hurt my shoulder i used to be able to do 4 sets of 10 x my bw. my lats have really gone through a lot of atrophy over the past year. 

Also my calf muscles have really started getting some definition.
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he was one of those that chased the chickens around the farm in texas
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he was one of those that chased the chickens around the farm in texas
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Fantastic leg workout mate! When do you think you'll move over to the squat rack for those squats? What's stopping you at the moment?
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Wow - nice numbers on your squats & presses!! Yeah, I have this love/hate relationship with my leg workouts too...
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does that mean i can really handle more punishment? or maybe i'm just not pushing myself enough?
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i know... you're right. i should just move over to the squat rack now. i guess it's still a subconscious fear that i can't squat as much weight as i'm loading up. having the safety of the smith machine really helps give me confidence i won't kill myself
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here's a question tho... my legs really aren't that sore today...
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here's a general question i was pondering...
right now i'm on a bulk. i'm 5'5" and weigh about 135lbs. i'd like to get up to 145-150 and then reevaluate. i'm not doing in carb cycling thing with my diet and i'm not really interested in try it out at this point yet. so here's the question: should i be eating more or less carbs based on if it's a w/o day or not? OR should i just be eating a constant steady level regardless of whether or not i worked out the day before? |
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Yeah, walkouts are good for getting you used to handling more weight, but they wont do you any good until you get in the rack!
Yes, the Smith is safe, and its a good starting point but free squats are where its at. If you are scared that yoo won't be able to squat the amount of weight on a free bar as you will on the Smith, thats because you won't. Dont even attempt it, because you will hurt yourself. My advice to you is get in the rack and start off squatting with just the bar to make sure you have the correct form. Smith squats will not prepare you for this. Then, slowly add weight in small increments. Be prepared to squat less than 100lb for a couple of weeks at least. You might feel like an idiot but believe me you will actually look like a proper knob-end if you hurt yourself while squatting. You probably need to migrate to free squats now and involve more of your muscles, instead of Smith squats which are helping you more than you probably realise. Also, i would make sure you are going at least to parallel each rep. If you're not, that is something you can work on with the free (and empty) squat bar ![]() I would eat more carbs on a training day than not, but keep your protein and fat intake the same. This means you'll increase your calories on training days. Does that help any? |
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Gra8 work out!! Do you take any pre work out supps for that pump you were talkin about????
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thanks, goob!
seriously, dude. i was --> <-- THAT close to puking toward the end of my leg workout earlier this week. i love it! |
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I would get someone to check your form is good before piling weight on. Even better, post a vid into your journal and im sure the lads will be happy to critique you! ![]() |
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Your goals look attainable, but i would watch out for the squat goal. The last thing you want is to force yourself to add weight to the bar when you just start out with them. Honestly, i've been squatting for just over a year, never used the Smith -ever - and im still using baby weights because my form deteriorates very quickly the more weight i add.
I would get someone to check your form is good before piling weight on. Even better, post a vid into your journal and im sure the lads will be happy to critique you! ![]() |
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Sam is a smart lady, listen to her. There are some exercises that it may be okay to rush on, but Squat isn't one of them.
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sam, i'm taking your advice on the smith vs. squat rack and dropping the weight down so i can move over to the squat rack and start building up my strength there (at a safe weight level). and i'm being really picky about my ATG form too.
question: below my hips where the glutes connect to my quads on the side of my legs. i've got this bulge of muscle. it's also where i feel a lot of the burn when i'm squatting. i never knew there was a muscle there until today when i noticed it in the shower. is this actually part of my glutes?? ![]() |

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Good lad on the squats - that's still alot of weight to be doing for ATG squats - good job mate! Now tell me tomorrow how much more pain you are in after doing free squats
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Gj on moving away from the Smith Machine on squats.. I think you'll see alot of improvement!
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Now tell me tomorrow how much more pain you are in after doing free squats
now we know what kind of person you really are sam. enjoying other peoples pain!!!!!!Is the muscle you are referring to the tensor fasciae latae?? |

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oh, so you are saying i'm "cheesy"????!!!!!!
thats ok, katt calls me lots worse. |
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bar squats yaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
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Fantastic w/o's BRother N!!! I wouldn't even think that the weight your using is light or embarassing, your in there doing it to it, more than ALOT of people can say, FORM is so much more important thatn weight imo!!! Better smart and continue than a second of stupidity because your embarassed and then injure or re-injure something, your doing Great my Friend, keep at it!!!
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BRING IT!
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ok, I'm seeing that TOH and you think too much alike.... it's scary..
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Now tell me tomorrow how much more pain you are in after doing free squats
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leg's are feeling nice and tight today. not too sore, but tight. maybe the doms will hit my legs tomorrow? they are a little sore, but i can upstairs and junk no problem. my hammies are feelin' it more than anything though.
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Some times it takes a day or two for the doms to come full force.
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Mine too - especially unilateral rows. Gives a great squeeze in the back, nice
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Grip strength is the key
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Nice supersetting there!! How long do those workouts take you? TOH will love this one.. Zottman's are his fav...
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BRother Half was the one that enlightened me. thanks bro!
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Grip strength is the key :thumb
I wouldnt be too hard on yourself though, dude - thats a damn good workout up there. Throwing supersets in is hard work ![]() |

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Agreed - especially following your leg workout.
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dude, you keep this up your goal weight is gonna be 170, cause your getting addicted to the iron.
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i'll get one tonight/tomorrow. i'm pretty sure i'm gained something (fat or muscle - one of the two) because i can tell my pants fit not quite as loosely as they used to.|
but seriously, i've really been enjoying my trips to the gym lately. the pretty blonde girl that's there in the morning is good motivation too
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haha, yeah. now that i'm increasing the weight i'm seeing how important grip strength is. i guess i'm like JH - i'm my own worst critic
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Strong workout today!
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i had this weird feeling in my shoulder. it wasn't a twinge in the muscle or joint, but it felt like electricity running down the surface of my right tricep. really weird - not painful but i stopped just in case. anyone one what that might be?
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Ooh ooh, i get that over my elbows when im doing things like upright rows, it feels dead funny doesnt it? I reckon it's nerves getting pinched, but im not too sure what to do about it.
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Agree with Sister Sam here, don't rush the shoulder by any means my Friend!!! Slow and Continued progress are what we are ALL lookin for!!! Your w/o looked SOLID to me, excellent transition from Smith to Free imo!!!
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Good job on stepping the weights up! How did 135 feel on a regular flat!
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Ooh ooh, i get that over my elbows when im doing things like upright rows, it feels dead funny doesnt it? I reckon it's nerves getting pinched, but im not too sure what to do about it.
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Any reason you're doing machine stuff for your shoulders? You might be better using very light free weights instead of building the shoulders up using machines then doing yourself a damage when you move to free weights (which is ultimately what you want to do, right?).
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If they're what I think they are, another name for them is upright rows. And upright rows, if done incorrectly, can wreak havoc with the shoulders. It's not an exercise I would do if trying to recover from a shoulder injury. Been there, done that.
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you have a point, sam.
but i'm still just easing into it. back in november when i re-injured my shoulder all it took was 2 lateral raises with a 10lb DB to put me out of commission for another 3 months! doing DB benches with 30lb is scary too even if it's not a 'shoulder' exercise. in the next week or two i'll probably move off the machines and do some raises and presses with the 5 pounders but in the meantime i just want to see if my joints, ligaments and stuff can perform that movement while supporting some kind of weight. i should probably buy those tiny weights and do that at home. i can't bring myself to lift 5lb DBs at the gym... |
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I was talking about your Mon-sun work out schedule, what body part on what days.
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Great w/o BRother N, slow and STEADY progress my Friend, thats the BEST thing!!! You seem to have a plan, now keep at it!!!
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