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Posted by: DOMS

I've been studying up on the various marital arts and have a question about one in particular.

I've watched numerous videos on BJJ and, at first glance, it looks impressive. The crucifix and rear naked choke can be deadly. And the arm bar can be devastating.

But, as I've watched the videos, I've noticed that even the good practitioners take a few moments to get the opponent into position. In a ring, this simply means more grappling. There are strict rules on what you may, and may not, do it a ring fight. However, in a real fight, what's to stop the opponent from gouging the eyes, striking the throat, or hard kicking the nuts of the BJJ practitioner? Any one of those can put him out of action.

Even if the BJJ guy can stop any of these blows, can he still get the opponent into position while fending off such deadly attacks?

So, my questions is: how well does BJJ work in a real fight?

Thanks for any insight!

Posted by: NeilPearson

I don't know if there is anything as effective as just simply going for the eyes and throat.

Posted by: P-funk

^^ x2

What is to stop any martial arts practitioner from getting kicked in the sack or their eyes poked out. I think with anything....learn it the best you can and become as good a technician as possible. Chances are, in the real world, if you can keep your cool and be comfortable with the stuff you know, you will get the job done before getting hit in the balls.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by DOMS

I've been studying up on the various marital arts and have a question about one in particular.

I've watched numerous videos on BJJ and, at first glance, it looks impressive. The crucifix and rear naked choke can be deadly. And the arm bar can be devastating.

But, as I've watched the videos, I've noticed that even the good practitioners take a few moments to get the opponent into position. In a ring, this simply means more grappling. There are strict rules on what you may, and may not, do it a ring fight. However, in a real fight, what's to stop the opponent from gouging the eyes, striking the throat, or hard kicking the nuts of the BJJ practitioner? Any one of those can put him out of action.

Even if the BJJ guy can stop any of these blows, can he still get the opponent into position while fending off such deadly attacks?

So, my questions is: how well does BJJ work in a real fight?

Thanks for any insight!

BJJ is subjective in that it is meant to evolve as a MA. This is why it also encompases takedowns and striking. It doesn't mean you have to just grapple someone. You can do anything. It does emphasize ground fighting and submissions however.

Posted by: BigDyl

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Originally Posted by NeilPearson

I don't know if there is anything as effective as just simply going for the eyes and throat.

Effective? Yes. Practical? No. It all depends on who you're fighting and if you want to kill them or not. Your extended arm for the eye or throat is a very easy armbar, or standing can be used for leverage in a throw or takedown. It's not as easy as you'd think...

Posted by: Doublebase

The best art for street fighting IMO would be kickboxing. Although you need a lot of room to really strike. A lot of street fighting occurs in a crowded bar or at a house party in a small room. For that type of fighting I say wrestling would save your ass. Throw someone down and hold them there or lay blows on their head.

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

The best art for street fighting IMO would be kickboxing. Although you need a lot of room to really strike. A lot of street fighting occurs in a crowded bar or at a house party in a small room. For that type of fighting I say wrestling would save your ass. Throw someone down and hold them there or lay blows on their head.

Id have to second this...well most of it.

In a REAL fight, that is...in the REAL world, there are no rules. Which means, your opponent may be more than one and you dont know it. Id like to see how good BJJ is when the guy's friend you are performing an arm bar on comes over and stomps in you the face.

One good hit can show everyone thats watching that you mean business. This will either scare off anyone about to jump in OR bring them out into the light.

Unrealistic? Yeah right. If one of my friends was in a rear naked choke and looked like he was dying, I will step in and get the fucker off him.

Id say anyone would do the same if they saw a dear friend not being able to breathe..

Posted by: fufu

You're right, there are no rules in a street fight but having submission grappling skills is an extremely valuble asset to have on your side. You will own any ground combat, eye guages could easily be controlled and transitioned into an arm bar in alot of ground situations. Being kicked or grabbed in the balls...got me there, anything could happen in that situation.

I am not responding to your post really here, but the rear naked choke is a great move in any situation. Noone expects someone to take their back and when the choke is sunk in people panic and are virtually helpless.

Posted by: AKIRA

Knowing BJJ isnt going to hurt you in a fight...unless thats all you aim for.

Think about it, in the real world, there is no bell, so technically, every kind of first punch is a sucker punch.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by P-funk

^^ x2

What is to stop any martial arts practitioner from getting kicked in the sack or their eyes poked out. I think with anything....learn it the best you can and become as good a technician as possible. Chances are, in the real world, if you can keep your cool and be comfortable with the stuff you know, you will get the job done before getting hit in the balls.

I've won most of my fights by simply dodging the first punch. Mind you, I haven't fought any martial artists.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

But as I watched in those videos, the practitioner just seemed to leave himself open to these attacks. If you don't train to prevent these, then how are you going to do it when it happens in the wild?

I watched where one of Gracie's students took on a Gung-fu fighter. The BJJ tore the shit out of the guy, but left himself open for a lot of face, neck, and groin shots.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

In a REAL fight, that is...in the REAL world, there are no rules. Which means, your opponent may be more than one and you dont know it. Id like to see how good BJJ is when the guy's friend you are performing an arm bar on comes over and stomps in you the face.

This was the next thing I was going to bring up. If a BJJ guy was fighting to get a guy into an arm bar, he has no way to defend himself. It seems that two on one (or more), a BJJ guys would get killed.

Posted by: Doublebase

If you are fighting a big dude an armbar could really end up hurting you. The guy could just pick your ass up and slam you to the ground as shown on TUF season 3. That's saying you are under 200lbs. Or the dude is Hulk Hogan.

Posted by: fufu

True, I do believe that the arm bar is not the best submission tactic to use. Most submissions will you leave you vunerable if the guy you are fighting has buddies around. A RNC will probably have you the most protected.

Also, an arm bar is a drastic move. I don't know how many people would do that planning to break someone's arm. Sure, if someone was trying to kill me and I happened to secure and arm bar I would pull until the fucker snapped. But that would be a huge dick move doing that to someone in a bar/party scuffle.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

I think that the videos don't show that because it isn't done in the discipline. I imagine in a street fight the person demonstrating would cover up until something opens up. As for the groin shots, I seem to remember seeing Gracie take a ton of nut shots in the UFC during it's infancy, when it was allowed.

As for grappling/BJJ at a club, horrible idea. I got stomped by 4 guys in college because their boy hit me, I dove in and took him down, and as I got ready to smash him one of them roundhoused me while I was kneeling. The rest of them joined in, and I got to go home early.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Most fights last only 10 to 30 seconds. Those fights tend to be about who hits who best first. After the first 10 to 30 seconds they tend to hit the ground more often than not. That's where BJJ comes on strong.

What you see in the shows is not what you train for. Since people don't really train for TV they train for life you learn when you're doing a submission to expect the sac smacks and eye gouges, being bitten or w/e ... and my least favorite getting stabbed.

Unless you like getting kicked in the face by random strangers, then you don't do rnc's or arm-bars in a public brawl. This is what makes BJJ the weak game in the real world. Most people getting choked out with their own shirt is good enough so yeah stand up BJJ works there, but if you tried that on some guys you'd be unhappy about how it turned out. I'm serious about that getting stabbed part. If you're about to go under from getting choked out by some dude you don't know you will bust out the pocket knife and stick him in the leg cuz brotha ... who knows wtf that guy will do to you while you're unconscious. You might not ever wake up. That's the position you put your opponent in when you choke him out ... shear horrifying panic.

Training at a place that's dedicated to one discipline is old school. Find a facility that trains for a well rounded MMA approach to self defense. Besides being more practical it's also more fun. MMA guys tend to apply more of a whole body approach to training too. Weights, diet, road work, kicking a guy in the sac, elbow strikes from full mount or the crucifix ... all great fun to be had training in MMA.

I wish the best of times for you on this DOMS. After you get past that first year it really gets fun. You get some fighting skills and can go at it with people for real in the gym. It is a great growth opportunity.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Most fights last only 10 to 30 seconds. Those fights tend to be about who hits who best first. After the first 10 to 30 seconds they tend to hit the ground more often than not. That's where BJJ comes on strong.

What you see in the shows is not what you train for. Since people don't really train for TV they train for life you learn when you're doing a submission to expect the sac smacks and eye gouges, being bitten or w/e ... and my least favorite getting stabbed.

Unless you like getting kicked in the face by random strangers, then you don't do rnc's or arm-bars in a public brawl. This is what makes BJJ the weak game in the real world. Most people getting choked out with their own shirt is good enough so yeah stand up BJJ works there, but if you tried that on some guys you'd be unhappy about how it turned out. I'm serious about that getting stabbed part. If you're about to go under from getting choked out by some dude you don't know you will bust out the pocket knife and stick him in the leg cuz brotha ... who knows wtf that guy will do to you while you're unconscious. You might not ever wake up. That's the position you put your opponent in when you choke him out ... shear horrifying panic.

Training at a place that's dedicated to one discipline is old school. Find a facility that trains for a well rounded MMA approach to self defense. Besides being more practical it's also more fun. MMA guys tend to apply more of a whole body approach to training too. Weights, diet, road work, kicking a guy in the sac, elbow strikes from full mount or the crucifix ... all great fun to be had training in MMA.

I wish the best of times for you on this DOMS. After you get past that first year it really gets fun. You get some fighting skills and can go at it with people for real in the gym. It is a great growth opportunity.

All solid advice, BC.

BTW, I'm not knocking BJJ here, I'm just trying to understand the role of marital arts in the real world.

I'm not going to do BJJ, I'm going to do Krav Maga. This is the sort of martial art that I've been looking for. I just need to make sure the teacher really knows his stuff.

Posted by: danny81

it worked well for the gracies in brazil who used it alot in the street. also wahts stopping a BJJ guy ro m kicking in the nuts and eye gouging to. its gud 2 add to yo aresenel

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by DOMS

All solid advice, BC.

BTW, I'm not knocking BJJ here, I'm just trying to understand the role of marital arts in the real world.

I'm not going to do BJJ, I'm going to do Krav Maga. This is the sort of martial art that I've been looking for. I just need to make sure the teacher really knows his stuff.

I always have too. But when it comes down to it, there really isnt one good answer. Having a variety of belts in different fields would be best, IMO.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by DOMS

All solid advice, BC.

Krav Maga is killer stuff. Israeli special forces do some crazy shit with it. They're up against the Islamic fighting styles so small edged weapons training is part of the deal. Good times

Posted by: danny81

for a street fight nothing is better then boxing

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

I always have too. But when it comes down to it, there really isnt one good answer. Having a variety of belts in different fields would be best, IMO.

No doubt. I want to build a solid foundation in Krav Maga, and then add to it.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Krav Maga is killer stuff. Israeli special forces do some crazy shit with it. They're up against the Islamic fighting styles so small edged weapons training is part of the deal. Good times

It took me a while to find a style that I'd like. I'm really looking forward to it.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by danny81

for a street fight nothing is better then boxing

Says Mr. Razorblade Mouth.

Posted by: danny81

any form of grappling isnt da best cu most dudez on da street wil haev they boyz stomp u. also if someone takes me to the ground and gets real tight to me im puling out a switch and stabbing the shit out of them. someone trys to ick on the street and they slip on ice or water or blood or they foot hits somehting and knocks them down. its a rap. u getting stomped the fuc out. boxing is good cuz prety much al fights are mostly punching. plus one good punch ffrom a boxer will KO any1. and even a decnt punch will sacre the shit out of anyone and they riends wont come jump u. and if they are a nbunhc o them ust move away and throw jabs and crosses and its arap

Posted by: tucker01

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Originally Posted by danny81

any form of grappling isnt da best cu most dudez on da street wil haev they boyz stomp u. also if someone takes me to the ground and gets real tight to me im puling out a switch and stabbing the shit out of them. someone trys to ick on the street and they slip on ice or water or blood or they foot hits somehting and knocks them down. its a rap. u getting stomped the fuc out. boxing is good cuz prety much al fights are mostly punching. plus one good punch ffrom a boxer will KO any1. and even a decnt punch will sacre the shit out of anyone and they riends wont come jump u. and if they are a nbunhc o them ust move away and throw jabs and crosses and its arap

How many fights you been in? It doesn't sound like alot.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by DOMS

It took me a while to find a style that I'd like. I'm really looking forward to it.

where the hell do they teach krav maga in salt lake? i would kill to find a place that teaches that. especially if the guy teaching knows what he is doing. those guys are fierce.

ive always thought the guy who most often wins is the guy who can be the most violent the fastest.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

How many fights you been in? It doesn't sound like alot.

damnit dont encourage this

Posted by: NeilPearson

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

Depends on who you are fighting... and generally on the street, if someone attacks you, they probably won't know shit

Posted by: tucker01

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

damnit dont encourage this

I can't help it. He is like a virus.

Posted by: bio-chem

thought this video might be applicable to the topic at hand
YouTube - Bas Rutten Street Defense - The Better Version

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

I'll be learning in Boise, not Salt Lake. Though there is a teacher in Salt Lake, too. What city do you live in?

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by DOMS

I'll be learning in Boise, not Salt Lake. Though there is a teacher in Salt Lake, too. What city do you live in?

I'm in orem for the moment

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

I'm in orem for the moment

Sorry man, the only one in Utah is in SLC.

Posted by: KelJu

I saw a redneck at a bar being beat to shit by three guys who obviously knew MA, or at least 2 of them did. The redneck was able to get to his knife and nearly killed all three of them. He cut one guy from his neck to his nut sack with one swipe.

Truth of the matter is he never would have even went to the ground had he not been wearing tight ass wrangler jeans and could have got to his knife easier.

That one event taught me that if I get into a fight with someone I don't know in a public place I better take them down as quickly as possible. That means aim for the nuts or the nose with the hardest punch or kick I can muster.

Posted by: KelJu

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

I agree a 100%.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Sorry man, the only one in Utah is in SLC.

hell it isnt anything difficult to drive up to salt lake to train on the weekends. is the instructor any good. what have you heard about it?

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by KelJu

That one event taught me that if I get into a fight with someone I don't know in a public place I better take them down as quickly as possible. That means aim for the nuts or the nose with the hardest punch or kick I can muster.

damn strait. dont draw it out. finish the fight as fast as possible and take it to completion early. i hate when a guy will get a good punch in and then not follow it up to finish things off.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

hell it isnt anything difficult to drive up to salt lake to train on the weekends. is the instructor any good. what have you heard about it?

Hell yeah, I'd drive 35 minutes to take a Krav Maga class.

I haven't checked into him, but here's his info:

Paul Evans Martial Arts
2258 East Ft. Union Blvd
Salt Lake City, UT 84121
Tel: 801-942-2693
Web: Paul Evans Martial Arts - Krav Maga SLC

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

damn strait. dont draw it out. finish the fight as fast as possible and take it to completion early. i hate when a guy will get a good punch in and then not follow it up to finish things off.

This is why I chose Krav Maga.

I'm come to the conclusion that martial arts can be classified into two general types: those than can be used in a competition and those that can't.

Two that come to mind that can't are Krav Maga and most forms of Silat. Pretty much, most others can.

Those that can't be used in a competition are, in my opinion, more practical and deadly. But that's just my two uneducated cents.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Hell yeah, I'd drive 35 minutes to take a Krav Maga class.

I haven't checked into him, but here's his info:

Paul Evans Martial Arts
2258 East Ft. Union Blvd
Salt Lake City, UT 84121
Tel: 801-942-2693
Web: Paul Evans Martial Arts - Krav Maga SLC

crap. how the hell isnt this guy open on the weekends?

Posted by: KelJu

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Hell yeah, I'd drive 35 minutes to take a Krav Maga class.

I haven't checked into him, but here's his info:

Paul Evans Martial Arts
2258 East Ft. Union Blvd
Salt Lake City, UT 84121
Tel: 801-942-2693
Web: Paul Evans Martial Arts - Krav Maga SLC

Oh my god, I think I just found a new desire. I want to learn this stuff. There are trainers all across Florida, but none in Alabama.

Where I take a job might depend on where good Krav Maga instructor is.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Krav Maga & Silat

YouTube Video

YouTube Video

Silat

YouTube Video

Posted by: Doublebase

wow Krav Maga is awesome. I found a place about 40 mins from that teaches it.
Premier Martial Arts - Glen Mills*-*Krav Maga PA

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

crap. how the hell isnt this guy open on the weekends?

I don't know.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by KelJu

Oh my god, I think I just found a new desire. I want to learn this stuff. There are trainers all across Florida, but none in Alabama.

Where I take a job might depend on where good Krav Maga instructor is.

Krav Maga was created by Imi Lichtenfield after the Nazis killed his family. He had a background in several fighting arts.

It's used by the Israeli Defense Force. So you know it's not a ring sport.

When you test, they don't use katas. Instead, they do stuff like put you on one side of the room, place a target (such as a box), to simulate an exit, on the other side of the room. Then they place five guys between you and it. And then they turn off the lights.

Another test example that I've read about involves running you until your tired. Then they tie your good arm to your side to simulate a broken arm. Then they make you fight.

The ideology is that if you train on a mat, in a pleasant well light room, your fighting ability will suffer if you have to fight in a poorly lit, chaotic environment.

Fighting multiple opponents is a staple of the art. So is fighting unarmed against armed opponent(s).

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Krav Maga & Silat

YouTube Video

YouTube Video

Silat

YouTube Video

I like the Silat stuff. A knife getting pulled on you are more likely than a gun so..good stuff.

Posted by: PreMier

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

I'm in orem for the moment

cool. more peeps here than i thought

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by PreMier

cool. more peeps here than i thought

There are more PCs per capita in Utah than in any other state. This is also the place (the U of U) where one of the first three computers that became the Internet was located.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by PreMier

cool. more peeps here than i thought

you too?

Posted by: danny81

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

How many fights you been in? It doesn't sound like alot.

how many fights have you been in where youve got triangled or armbarred. or even actually got taken down

Posted by: danny81

IMO silat and krav maga are wayyyyyyyy overated. a good fighter can beat a KRav maga expert in a fight

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by danny81

IMO silat and krav maga are wayyyyyyyy overated. a good fighter can beat a KRav maga expert in a fight

You really are a troll.

I've been watching your comments and looking for patterns. You simply say whatever is most counter to the current conversation. Usually with the most moronic logic imaginable.

The next time you insult someone, or break any other rule, your ass is gone.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

We prolly won't get to talk again so I'll say bye now danny.

See ya ...

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by danny81

IMO silat and krav maga are wayyyyyyyy overated. a good fighter can beat a KRav maga expert in a fight

despite my better judgement and against my own adivice im going to take the bait.
when you say good fighter do you mean a good MMA fighter? danny dont be dense. krav maga was made for kill or be killed situations. exactly what a street fight should be treated as. MMA is made for the ring with rules. there is a big difference. when an mma fighter goes for an armbar in the streets he is going to get his head stomped on by a guy watching the fight. a krav maga guy is going to break a guys leg while still standing and then stomp on the 2nd guys face when he decided to join in

Posted by: KelJu

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Originally Posted by DOMS

I humbly request that you force him to put effort into his sentence structure, also.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by DOMS

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Originally Posted by KelJu

I humbly request that you force him to put effort into his sentence structure, also.

Do you feel that Danny's grammar is an...insult...to you?

Posted by: KelJu

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Do you feel that Danny's grammar is an...insult...to you?

YES! Its an insult to the human race which I am apart of. But, I do think he deserves a chance to clean up. IM is better with more members, and I don't want anyone banned, but I am of the opinion that he is doing it on purpose. Danny needs IM. there are people here that could be a great influence on him, but not unless he shows some effort. I pulled up some of his earlier post and his grammar wasn't that bad, but it has become progressively worse as people ripped on him for typing like a a monkey with parkinson's disease.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

An example of boxing skills in the Real World

YouTube Video

Hand speed, power and accuracy are all a great advantage in the fight situations IMO. This was the only example I've been able to find, but I've seen a couple fights where a boxer cleans up real quick. You have to be a super ground fighter to be able to shoot in, take someone down and keep them down when there are other people around to do any real damage. Sadly, many people forget about grappling, etc. skills so when a fight goes down, the first instinct of onlookers is to break it up and stand it up. Just from my personal experience.

I'm obviously not knocking bjj, judo, wrestling or anything else because they have insane benefits in fighting. But if I were to pick one discipline to master based on my own experiences fighting, it would be boxing. Hence, the reason I box. A lot of good opinions in here as well.

Don Frye getting iced real quick by and old boxing coach, you can see Frye had him down but couldn't capitalize, so boxer gets up and ends it:

YouTube Video

Posted by: fufu

Some reports say that Frye was wasted.

Posted by: danny81

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Originally Posted by DOMS

how the fuck does that insult someone. have u done any reasearch on kravmaga? have u seen its moves. i gauruntee most of those moves wont work against a good fighter

Posted by: danny81

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

We prolly won't get to talk again so I'll say bye now danny.

See ya ...

thnks for all ur help. if i get banned then pce

Posted by: danny81

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i didnt have a broken keyboard then

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by danny81

how the fuck does that insult someone. have u done any reasearch on kravmaga? have u seen its moves. i gauruntee most of those moves wont work against a good fighter

I always to my research before I commit to anything. But that's not the point. Neither is insulting. It's about you being a troll in almost every one of your posts.

Posted by: danny81

how thefuck was i trollingim helping u.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by danny81

how the fuck does that insult someone. have u done any reasearch on kravmaga? have u seen its moves. i gauruntee most of those moves wont work against a good fighter

how well do you think a good fighter unarmed is going to do against a guy with a knife or gun? the answer. they get hurt really bad. while i do think even a great krav maga fighter is going to get scratched fighting someone with a knife, at least they dont die. A boxer isnt trained to fight a knife, brick, or bat.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by fufu

Some reports say that Frye was wasted.

Both of them were. But do you know how many fights break out as the result of people being cocked?

Posted by: danny81

u do no frye has tot ake pain killllers and shit just to train.also if u saw the fight u could tell drye is uckd up . the other guy fel to the ground. idrye was ready he would of immediatly jmped on him

Posted by: danny81

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

im just wondering have u ever seen the krav maga techniques?

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

A boxer isnt trained to fight a knife, brick, or bat.

If someone pulls a knife or bat on me when I'm unarmed...even if I do know Krav maga, bjj, boxing or whatever, I'm runnin the other fuckin way pretty fast. Who takes a shot at gettin murdered regardless of what style of fighting you know?

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by danny81

u do no frye has tot ake pain killllers and shit just to train.also if u saw the fight u could tell drye is uckd up . the other guy fel to the ground. idrye was ready he would of immediatly jmped on him

what the hell? i cant even read this

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

i agree. the problem is when no choice to run is available

Posted by: KelJu

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i didnt have a broken keyboard then

You are lying your ass off.

Posted by: DOMS

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how thefuck was i trollingim helping u.

You're a fucking troll.

Case in point: "My keyboard is broken". Bullshit, you use every letter in your posts.

Keep it up.

Posted by: danny81

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Originally Posted by DOMS

You're a fucking troll.

Case in point: "My keyboard is broken". Bullshit, you use every letter in your posts.

Keep it up.

wat happend was is da keys fell of. so i haev to rpess exttra hard for them to show up

Posted by: KelJu

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wat happend was is da keys fell of. so i haev to rpess exttra hard for them to show up

I'll make you a deal, and I swear by my name that I will do it if you agree. I will buy you a fucking keyboard and mail it to you free of charge if you promise to type with complete sentences.

Posted by: danny81

lol i have a keyboard but idk how to connect it to my laptop. i broke all the USB chords off by mistake

Posted by: KelJu

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Originally Posted by danny81

lol i have a keyboard but idk how to connect it to my laptop. i broke all the USB chords off by mistake

Yep, thats what I figured. You are full of shit.

Posted by: danny81

lo u want me to tkae a pic of my laptop? btw i am to stupid to type in perfect sentences like u guys

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by KelJu

Yep, thats what I figured. You are full of shit.

That's what I was saying.

Posted by: DOMS

Besides, any laptop that he has will be old enough to have a PS2 connection.

Posted by: danny81

wtf is a ps2 connection?

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by KelJu

I'll make you a deal, and I swear by my name that I will do it if you agree. I will buy you a fucking keyboard and mail it to you free of charge if you promise to type with complete sentences.

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny81

wtf is a ps2 connection?

Your anus. You're going to hook the keyboard up to you anus.

Posted by: fufu

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Originally Posted by danny81

Jesus fucking christ, can you learn to fucking spell? I've never said anything to you about it before but you are just ridiculous.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Fighting isn't really about who does MMA or who's a boxer. It's about who's the most agile, the fastest, the most vicious guy who can take a punch and that has the balls to mix it up ... this is the guy that will win the fight. Now, if you take that guy and train HIM then watch out.

Ohh and BTW ... Don Fry is a wrestler that can punch. He's one of the left overs from the old days when the UFC was coming up who also has some good times in Pride. Don Fry is not a mixed martial artists.

Posting clips of him doing anything says nothing about MMA at all.

Posted by: KelJu

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny81

lo u want me to tkae a pic of my laptop? btw i am to stupid to type in perfect sentences like u guys

Your not stupid, you are either trolling or lazy. I honestly believe you are both. You are in high school for fuck's sake. Most people can can write a complete fucking sentence in the 3rd grade. Firefox will check your grammar for you. You don't even use the keyboard, you just right-click and select the word you meant to type.

Grrrrrrrr!

Why the fuck am I wasting my time? You are going to be banned, and it is going to be your own fault. I'm simply going to put you on ignore until it happens.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by DOMS

I feel the need to step in here. Topolo and you used to troll me all the time. Every time I would post you or him would comment with some stupid, idiotic insult. Nothing happened to you guys. Danny is just an ignorant kid and I enjoy trying to read his posts. Get off your high horse.

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublebase

You obviously don't know what the definition of trolling is.

And there were times when you asked for it.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Not tryin' to go again ya DOMS, but DB is right. He was mercilessly insulted ... trolled ... by people with nothing said about it. danny's posts are showing the pattern you've mentioned but not in some obscene way and no worse than what was done to DB IMHO.

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Not tryin' to go again ya DOMS, but DB is right. He was mercilessly insulted ... trolled ... by people with nothing said about it. danny's posts are showing the pattern you've mentioned but not in some obscene way and no worse than what was done to DB IMHO.

You don't know what trolling is either.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOMS

You don't know what trolling is either.

Mehhh come on now.

Posted by: Doublebase

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOMS

You obviously don't know what the definition of trolling is.

And there were times when you asked for it.

What is it?

I did after you guys wouldn't stop. I would just fire back. It was so immature and stupid though.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Mehhh come on now.

Come on now? Read a little.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

What is it?

I did after you guys wouldn't stop. I would just fire back. It was so immature and stupid though.

You're on the Intenet. Look it up.

And you're full of shit. I left you alone, but...

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Hey, I left you alone for a long time. You're the dumbass that had to throw down the gauntlet.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOMS

Come on now? Read a little.

Ehhh ... what was that? I looked in there expecting to see something informative about what a troll is and saw your DOMS love fest followed by things we discussed in a pm the other day. What was the point of that reference DOMS? Ya lost me there bud ...

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

I was pointing out that what I did wasn't trolling. Yeah, I gave DB shit, but he sometimes asked for it. Either straight up or through less than intelligent posts.

And you have access to Google just like DoubleBase does.

Posted by: Doublebase

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Yeah I guess I could go and dig up every old thread where he insulted me previous to that date. I'm not wasting my time on that or looking up what trolling is. I have a good idea of what it is. I was just curious as to what you thought it meant.
My point was that you were being hypocrite.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Yeah, but once again my not agreeing with you doesn't mean I'm wrong or in need of google. I was gone for part of what went on between you and DB so I stayed out of it from not knowing what started it. I did see he was trolled heavily and in an unprovoked way.

Since you requested me to google it then here is some of what I found:

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He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.

What I saw being done to DB fit that exactly.

Regarding what you are describing about danny:

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An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" or "Message Board Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.

While sometimes, he may sound like a stupid, uninformed, ignorant poster, do not be deceived! Most trolls are highly intelligent people trying to hide behind a mask of stupidity and/or ignorance! They usually have an agenda. Very few trolls come out of pure skepticism.

The above states pretty well that we are all correct in what we're saying it seems, with the exception of saying DB and I don't know what a troll is ... which was kinda off the subject anyway.

Posted by: Doublebase

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOMS

You're on the Intenet. Look it up.

And you're full of shit. I left you alone, but...

but... what? Your gonna do w/e you did before since I made a post stating my point that what I thought you were doing to Danny wasn't right? Come on now. I enjoy your posts and go to you for advice a lot. I just felt what you said to Danny was hypocritical.

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublebase

Ragging on one member is not the same as make post after post that simply goes as counter as possible to the conversation, using the more inane logic possible, and written such that is resembles the writings of a retarded monkey.

One is ragging on a member, the other is trolling.

And because you and BC are too lazy to look it up (from Wiki):

"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum or group with the singular intention of baiting users into an argumentative response."

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublebase

I'm a hypocrite? How so?

Posted by: Doublebase

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Since you requested me to google it then here is some of what I found:

What I saw being done to DB fit that exactly.

Man down.

Posted by: Doublebase

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

I'm a hypocrite? How so?

Lol. I quoted you but was referring to DOMS.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by DOMS

DOMS you might wanna chill a bit. Lazy? You're dark side is starting to pop out ...

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by DOMS

And because you and BC are too lazy to look it up (from Wiki):

"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum or group with the singular intention of baiting users into an argumentative response."

Um, that pretty much is exactly what you guys did to me.

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.

You need to look for better quality definitions.

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

For the love of God. I picked on him. It wasn't trolling. Besides, how do you think he showed up on my radar? Do I pick on everyone? Do I even pick on a majority? How about 20%? No, I don't. He got what he got because he said some of the most dumb ass things.

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

The above states pretty well that we are all correct in what we're saying it seems, with the exception of saying DB and I don't know what a troll is ... which was kinda off the subject anyway.

What the fuck? It's central to the conversation. I said Danny is a troll, DB called me a troll, and neither of you even know the definition of the word.

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

DOMS you might wanna chill a bit. Lazy? You're dark side is starting to pop out ...

No.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Um, that pretty much is exactly what you guys did to me.

I baited you in a conversation? No, I flat out insulted you. Which is not the same thing. Which also is not what Danny is doing.

Morons!

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by DOMS

No.

Chill nerd.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by DOMS

I baited you in a conversation? No, I flat out insulted you. Which is not the same thing. Which also is not what Danny is doing.

Morons!

Ok, I was wrong. I really don't care anymore. You ultimately have the decision to ban Danny or not.

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublebase

Chill nerd.

Fine. You want to be back on my shit list? You've got it.

Posted by: Doublebase

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOMS

Fine. You want to be back on my shit list? You've got it.

Lol, his "shit list". He has a "shit list". LAWL! STFU!

Posted by: fUnc17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublebase

I agree, I find DOMS busting danny's balls to be plain annoying and pathetic. I was waiting for someone else to say it

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOMS

You need to look for better quality definitions.

For the love of God. I picked on him. It wasn't trolling. Besides, how do you think he showed up on my radar? Do I pick on everyone? Do I even pick on a majority? How about 20%? No, I don't. He got what he got because he said some of the most dumb ass things.

What the fuck? It's central to the conversation. I said Danny is a troll, DB called me a troll, and neither of you even know the definition of the word.

Saying I don't know what a troll is to disqualify my point is very lame DOMS. That tactic does nothing to further the point of the conversation and really just turns the whole thing into another DOMS is right and BC is wrong convo. I'd have to have the IQ of a bag of hammers to not understand what trolling is so how about you try another way of talking through this. Maybe one with more integrity and less insults and less misdirection. I again say I see your point about danny, but I also again say DB was also trolled. You trying to obfuscate my point by acting as though I don't know what a troll is ... I mean get serious.

The points made here are that danny seems to have been trolling by posting in threads with the intention of starting shit, or starting entire threads with the intention of starting shit. The point was also made that another form of trolling, insulting a forum member (DB) for the fun of it ... was not addressed.

In my opinion the aspect of how it affects the board is the central reason for looking the other way or enforcing the C.O.C. Whether DB getting trolled was harmful to the board as a whole is an intangible. Who knows if people left or not. It seems nobody complained so nothing was said. People are getting pissed over what it seems danny is up too ... if indeed he is up to anything at all. Even if he isn't doing this by direct intention, he is pissing people off.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by fUnc17

I agree, I find DOMS busting danny's balls to be plain annoying and pathetic. I was waiting for someone else to say it

I was really wanting to defend danny for a while, but he does post things that just invite getting fucked with. Some of it's in fun I think. Kinda just being the class clown, but other times I'm unsure what his motives are. It's obvious he knows right from wrong and that some of what he posts is just ... well ... wrong. He posts it anyway ... I don't get that.

It's been said that he is not really a kid and is some grown person in here setting people up and enjoying the fallout. If that's the case then he's an asshole. If not, then he's a kid getting fucked with by grown men and that's pathetic.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

This started out as a discussion about if danny is trolling and is turning into a DOMS roast. That was not my intention and if it seems that way DOMS then I apologize. I don't intend to insult or denigrate you as a person.

Posted by: Doublebase

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

This started out as a discussion about if danny is trolling and is turning into a DOMS roast. That was not my intention and if it seems that way DOMS then I apologize. I don't intend to insult or denigrate you as a person.

Not my intentions either. I just felt the need to say something. Sorry DOMS.

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublebase

Not my intentions either. I just felt the need to say something. Sorry DOMS.

Same here.

What I did to you, DB, wasn't nice (though I did it half heartedly), but it wasn't trolling.

Group hug.

BTW, I really do have a shit list.

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by fUnc17

I agree, I find DOMS busting danny's balls to be plain annoying and pathetic. I was waiting for someone else to say it

Fuck you.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

And another thing ...

Some funny ass fight clips on nothing toxic.

Posted by: AKIRA

I think all of you have become trolls. I mean, shit, youre arguing over the definition of it!

In my book, trolls create entertainment. Which brings me to my next observation....

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

...There. I say danny isnt a troll, I say hes just an idiot. I dont mind him though. I dont make a habit of insulting him either. I might here and there, but not to the point that I can become a bully. In fact, when people pick on him, I dont think its all that funny. I dont feel sorry for him or feel the need to stick up for him, however. But thats my take on it.

OH!

The other martial art mentioned...not Krav whatever..the one that started with an S? It looks like the same shit seen in The Hunted.

Posted by: tucker01

Holy shit there is a lot of sand in the Vagina in this thread here.

Wahh.... Cry me a river.

DB you left yourself open for pot shots, just by the idiotic way you rebutted them.

Danny is an idiot and deserves every flame he gets.

Posted by: DOMS

It's called Silat. Silat has the same "meaning" as Karate. Said another way, it's a term that refers to a group of fighting style (including some that use weapons). Some forms of Silat simply aren't fit for a tournament.

That the "Krav whatever" is called Krav Maga.

I'll have to watch The Hunted.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKIRA

I think all of you have become trolls. I mean, shit, youre arguing over the definition of it!

In my book, trolls create entertainment. Which brings me to my next observation....

...There. I say danny isnt a troll, I say hes just an idiot. I dont mind him though. I dont make a habit of insulting him either. I might here and there, but not to the point that I can become a bully. In fact, when people pick on him, I dont think its all that funny. I dont feel sorry for him or feel the need to stick up for him, however. But thats my take on it.

OH!

The other martial art mentioned...not Krav whatever..the one that started with an S? It looks like the same shit seen in The Hunted.

Which "The Hunted" .... there was like 5 movies named "The Hunted". I wanna see that what you were talking about. I'll download it from mininova.

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Whuch "The Hunted" .... there was like 5 movies named "The Hunted". I wanna see that what you were talking about. I'll download it from mininova.

The Hunted (2003) [DVDRip] [Xvid] : Movies > Thriller - Mininova

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOMS

The Hunted (2003) [DVDRip] [Xvid] : Movies > Thriller - Mininova

Nyeahh okay I seen that one.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Since we're fucking your thread all up ... thought I'd keep on with the effort. This is a cool ass ride to school ...

Posted by: danny81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublebase

tahnk u. BTW this is coming from a guy who used to dislike me.

Posted by: danny81

alright after reading the defintion of a troll(i had no idea wtf it was) i figured outy u think im a troll but for real i was just saying that KM is not as efective as you guys think. it is a good martial art but it is definetly overated. im not trying to bait u into a flame war i was just stating my opinion and if u want examples id tell u them 2.

Posted by: Doublebase

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Holy shit there is a lot of sand in the Vagina in this thread here.

Wahh.... Cry me a river.

DB you left yourself open for pot shots, just by the idiotic way you rebutted them.

Danny is an idiot and deserves every flame he gets.

You still troll me. You are so jealous of me. I take it as a compliment.

Posted by: Doublebase

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny81

tahnk u. BTW this is coming from a guy who used to dislike me.

I never disliked you. I just picked on you for lying about your income on myspace.com. Pretty pathetic on my part.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny81

alright after reading the defintion of a troll(i had no idea wtf it was) i figured outy u think im a troll but for real i was just saying that KM is not as efective as you guys think. it is a good martial art but it is definetly overated. im not trying to bait u into a flame war i was just stating my opinion and if u want examples id tell u them 2.

There's just one problem with that. How would you know?

Posted by: BoneCrusher

This guy has a good chance of just kicking someone's ass without much training at all. No boxing, no MMA ... piss him off and see what happens.

YouTube Video

This next pair have no chance. None. This is an example of why martial arts gets a bad rap. These guys are wearing advanced degree belts, yet they clearly have not put forth the physical effort to be worthy of wearing them. They would get beat down by that first guy ... even if that first guy had no training at all. In fact the person/persons that gave these belts to them should get his/their ass/s kicked.

YouTube Video

Posted by: danny81

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

There's just one problem with that. How would you know?

how i KNOW krav maga is overated? its because i dont believe that you could learn something without doing it. u obvioult cant realy practice eye gouge and kicks tot he ballls etc. also the reaon why it so good i becaue it teaches you to kic in the nuts etc etc. any thai boxer or w.e could just aim his kicks a little higher and hit the nuts. also most of the strikes eye gouge etc will be easily blocked by a good boxer. just because it comes at a slightly different angle doesnt mean its impossible for the boxer to block

Posted by: danny81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublebase

I never disliked you. I just picked on you for lying about your income on myspace.com. Pretty pathetic on my part.

lol its iight. pretty much everyone lies on it tho most people just say 250000+

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny81

As best as you can figure you mean. I mean, you don't know that you just sorta think it would prolly be that way. See that would be because you don't have the experience to say for sure. You've never trained in at a dojo or a facility where full contact martial arts is taught. So then, that post you made up there ... that's just your opinion. Yet ... you state it like that is just the truth of it.

See where I'm going here danny?

Posted by: danny81

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

ya i understand but i did say in my opinion

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by danny81

Nice grammar

Posted by: fUnc17

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Fuck you.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by danny81

The problem with you doesn't lie in just one post. Or being on the other side of an argument. It doesn't even have anything to do with being profane.

You either still don't know why you're a troll or are pretending not to.

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

YouTube Video

These guys are black belts? I think I know who their teacher is.

YouTube Video

Posted by: fUnc17

YouTube - BJJ and Muay Thai training

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Ohh and BTW ... Don Fry is a wrestler that can punch. He's one of the left overs from the old days when the UFC was coming up who also has some good times in Pride. Don Fry is not a mixed martial artists.

Posting clips of him doing anything says nothing about MMA at all.

Oh I wasn't really trying to make a point about MMA. I was just showing a very experienced fighter (boxing, wrestling, bjj...whatever it be), getting tooled on very quickly by an older, more inexperienced fighter. I guess I was just trying to make the point that imagine what you could do with boxing training to some Joe Schmo at the bar who gets beer balls and flexes on you?

Posted by: danny81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublebase

Nice grammar

u being sarccastic/

Posted by: danny81

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOMS

no i never trolld. u justn think the questions i ask are tupid. like is it legal to hide razor blades in ur mouth whihc is common. it got answered in the first page and it could of been left u nd ohers come in and start dissing the shit out me and my question. u turned it into a flame war and u r da troll

Posted by: DOMS

Quote:

Originally Posted by fUnc17

YouTube - BJJ and Muay Thai training

Holy shit. He flipped the guy into an arm-bar (at 00:26).

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Lol riiight. We've all seen that one in the bar before ... and heard it too. You know that sound. Thump thump thump thud ... and you look up knowing someone just got ktfo.

Posted by: DOMS

The quality sucks, but it's still a good video.

YouTube Video

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Lol riiight. We've all seen that one in the bar before ... and heard it too. You know that sound. Thump thump thump thud ... and you look up knowing someone just got ktfo.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKIRA

...There. I say danny isnt a troll, I say hes just an idiot. I dont mind him though.

Agreed. I don't even think he's an idiot though. I just think he's young and doesn't hold anything back regarding how silly of a question it is. Some people seem to get annoyed to easily by him. I dont understand it.

Posted by: danny81

lol. u should see my teachers they get really mad wen i say shit. like i told my one teacher to put a tampon in and stop PMSing and now she hates me.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Yeah you should learn some restraint. That's the lady who is going to be grading your tests. Not to mention it's disrespectful. Women don't like that.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

That's common on the internet though. People say shit to me in here that they'd neeeever say to my face. The filters for various types of social behavior come off and the bullshit flies because there are no consequences.

There's already been several of us in here expressing to varied degrees the distaste we feel about the issue. I guarandamntee you if I saw a grown man in person treating a kid the way he gets treated in here I'd react.

Posted by: DOMS

Not to mention that fact that she's a teacher, a tough profession, and probably doesn't deserve his shit.

It doesn't matter about his grades though. Unless the questions are similar to "If you have 5 razorblades in your mount, and you take out two, how quickly will you die anyway?", he's not going to get an A.

Posted by: danny81

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

ya everyone gets maaaaaaaaaddddddd tough when there on the internet.

Posted by: bigss75

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny81

ya everyone gets maaaaaaaaaddddddd tough when there on the internet.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by danny81

lol. u should see my teachers they get really mad wen i say shit. like i told my one teacher to put a tampon in and stop PMSing and now she hates me.

Yeah but see you create your own troubles like that. I don't like wiggers and wangstaz (they're fake), people that are disrespectful to others especially the people that deserve better such as teachers. You act like that, you push people like me away and attract shit from people like Iain and DOMS. That, my young friend, is called karma.

How you treat the world around you has a lot to do with how the world treats you. Jeffery Dahmer is a good example. He was a homosexual cannibalistic serial killer that trapped, molested, and killed mostly young men ... and then ate chunks of them. He died in prison by getting a broom stick shoved up his ass ... after he was beat down real well. Karma is a bitch ...

Sooo you come in here posting like you're a moron, typing like you are mentally challenged, and well ... saying dumb shit (that razors in the mouth thing ... wtf were you thinking!?!?!? Don't answer that question was rhetorical). Then you wonder why people get sideways with ya. Karma. Yo get what you give here at IM. I've seen other people get ran outta here on the same day they came in for less than what you've pulled.

Posted by: danny81

well i no it doesnt make it right but my teacher hated me anyway and i d try an d type gud but i am a terrible typer

Posted by: BoneCrusher

She didn't hate YOU ... she hated the way you acted in her environment. You change how you act in there, she will change how she treats you. Karma in motion.

Posted by: tucker01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublebase

You still troll me. You are so jealous of me. I take it as a compliment.

Yes mad Jealous.... you figured me out.... ah my goals in life are exposed. OH KNOW!!!!!

When you came here you were an easy target, very naive to communcation with people... it was just entertainment. You certainly roll better with the punches now. IM is all about pot shots, it is all about how you deal with it, that determines how people react to you. I got no problem with you.

Danny on the other hand is a fucking idiot. Entertaining sure, but fuck I don't think I have ever seen someone so fucking stupid, and I am Canadian EH!

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

IM may be about dicking people around to you but not to most of the rest of us. And of course in the real world you walk up to some of the people you think this about about and get in their face over it right? Treating people like shit for personal sport is just part of how you get through the day. I know he does make it easy ... but shit it just goes on too much. It's like seeing the bully types in high school picking on the weaker kids all over again, only here it's grown men picking on a kid. I get disgusted seeing it happen ...

Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

oh dont give me that sob story for danny. if he acted like a normal dumb ass seventeen year old he would be given the benifit of the doubt. problem is he doesnt. holy hell with the stuff that kid posts people show restraint not picking on him more. plenty of teens get on here and survive the trial of fire and get the benifit of this forum. the fact is we are treating him like we would treat anyone else. its not like he has been unfairly singled out

Posted by: BoneCrusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by bio-chem

Do you have kids? Been around many teen aged boys as an adult? They do really stupid shit with regularity. Even though I've already said that he does make it easy to be preyed upon, what he does as a kid doesn't justify what you do as an adult. The fact that he's in here on a Saturday night with regularity instead of out rolling with the homies says some things. That he's in here for what he should be ... fitness ... that says a few things too. Does he say and do retarded shit? Often? Lol ... yup. So what. Doesn't justify how YOU choose to deal with what he says and does. For him to do stupid shit is ignorant, but for you to prey upon him for it is pathetic. It takes weakness to prey upon the weak.

BTW ... aren't you the religious type? Your bible teaches you to prey on the weak does it?

Posted by: tucker01

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Actually yes in the real world yes I am a shit disturber to people in my circles. It is all in fun. Sorry we can't be all as candid and willing to help mental cases like him.

There is a difference between picking on a kid, and a kid who acts outright retard to draw attention. Well he is getting the attention he wants, and it isn't going to be productive attention. Really it is a pretty simple solution.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Yeahhhh but that's from your perspective. You say you see the kid as looking for negative attention, but I disagree. You say you like fucking with people, and he's obviously earned a spot on your list as a victim. If he was a grown man I'd not say shit about that, but he is a kid. Either way, whether you're right or wrong about his having earned your caustic attention the concept of not preying on kids is still something you as a man in your 30's should be up to speed on. Some shit we as grown men, regardless of the temptation, just don't do. That is also pretty simple.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

IM is all about pot shots, it is all about how you deal with it, that determines how people react to you.

Good to know. Would you condone me going into new members forum and taking pot shots at them? Just curious.

i.e A person named "fatgirl30s" asks a question. I can't stop eating late at night. Can you guys help?

Doublebase reply: Yeah try sewing your mouth shut. (or some corny shit you guys would say)

Would this be ok? Since IM is all about pot shots.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

here we go again with the religious crap. you want to show me in any of my posts where i was out of line with danny? you want to show me where i was preying on him? are you saying i should wait till he is 18 before i can respond to one of his retarded posts? danny doesnt get singled out anymore than anybody else. he is not meeting the basic requirements in his posts that a 17 year old should meet. no i dont have children. and yes i spend plenty of time around teen age boys. and like i said previously if it was normal teenage boy stuff he would have taken his lumps and become a contributing member to the forum. like i said before. danny isnt making the low level requirements that even a 17 year old should be expected to make.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

I think it's more appropriate to say that Danny get singled out to the level that he asks for.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

yes i spend plenty of time around teen age boys.

Would you have a seat please.

Posted by: DOMS

You're come so far in the world of sarcasm. *sniff* It almost makes me proud.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

Myeahhh I guess I did get outta hand with the religious crap since you don't really abuse danny. I agree with what you've said too. He does fall short in how he posts. We do have standards and he seems to not want to meet them. You're right.

There is that one thing though ... that you said. "danny doesnt get singled out anymore than anybody else." ... I don't agree with that. He does get singled out. Even that I can see in some of his posts just because of how and what he writes. He bugs me when he talks about guns as though he is some kind of expert, or advanced fighting systems as though he knows them. I guess just like the brightest light attracts the greatest crowd so does the dimmest bulb in his case. It's the way though, the way that he gets trolled by some of the people here. It's like Iain says ... doing it just for fun. That's just fucked up IMHO.

I dunno ... maybe I'm getting worked up over nothing. Then again ... maybe not. Maybe people should just chill with the kid and see where that goes. Treat him like a kid and slap him around when he needs it, but just don't punch him out ... if that makes any sense.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Would you have a seat please.

... I didn't think he'd really fall for that but he did. Sorry for the set up BC.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

BTW ... woot off in progress.

Woot off checker ... almost great. At 25% start looking at woot instead of the checker.

No bag -o- crap yet.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by DOMS

You're come so far in the world of sarcasm. *sniff* It almost makes me proud.

I wish we could say the same for your grammar. Ohhh! 2 for 2.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Last edited by Doublebase : Today at 09:18 AM.

Maybe I should go back and fix it?

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Maybe I should go back and fix it?

SOAB!

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

SOAB!

You are not yet the master, padawan.

Posted by: tucker01

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Yes absolutely.

Don't be a fucking retard. That is comparing apples and oranges.

Do you honestly think that is a comparable circumstance cause if you do, then maybe you still are on Danny's level

Posted by: tucker01

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

It's the way though, the way that he gets trolled by some of the people here. It's like Iain says ... doing it just for fun. That's just fucked up IMHO.

Thanks for the compliment. I always strive for the fucked up approach. Makes life a little more exciting

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Thanks for the compliment. I always strive for the fucked up approach. Makes life a little more exciting

Your life must suck.

Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Your life must suck.

Or your sense of humor.

Posted by: tucker01

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Or your sense of humor.

Oooooohh oohhhhhh. Alex I go with "who is Doublebase?"

Posted by: DOMS

I'll take "Famous Titties" for $400, Alex.

Posted by: tucker01

It is a picture Daily double.

Posted by: DOMS

What is "Jessica Simpson"?

Posted by: tucker01

That is incorrect.

Posted by: DOMS

Dammit!

So, who's dirty billows are they?

Posted by: tucker01

The correct Answer is.....

Pam Anderson.

Please select the next category.

Posted by: DOMS

I'll take "Balloons" for eleventy billion, Alex.

Posted by: tucker01

The Traditional weight is 205lbs.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

The Traditional weight is 205lbs.

Who is "your high school girlfriend"

Posted by: tucker01

Sorry that is incorrect. It wasn't in the form of a question.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

The Traditional weight is 205lbs.

How much does the next guy Jackson is going to KTFO weigh?

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

... I didn't think he'd really fall for that but he did. Sorry for the set up BC.

i must admit i really didnt even see this one coming. i used to work at a group home for at risk youth. im also a snowboard instructor on the weekends. go figure, i really should have seen it.

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