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17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol


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Posted by: Back2gym

Has anyone used 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol

if soo,,, is it good or garbage? Its in a supplement called P-Max

thanks,
B


Posted by: workingatit43

It is Phera Plex what are your stats?


Posted by: Back2gym

6'1 240lbs 25yrs old


probably around 20%bf
worked out most my adult life, but took a couple years off serious training.

Is this stuff any good?

B


Posted by: Back2gym

well if it is phera plex,,, i did a search and it people seemed to get more side effects than gains,,,, so I guess its not good...

thanks,
B


Posted by: workingatit43

There can be alot of sides with any steriod and that is what it is. Phera Plex can be very harsh


Posted by: Back2gym

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There can be alot of sides with any steriod and that is what it is. Phera Plex can be very harsh

Yup I know.. But was considering Phera Plex cause still on the net for sale(well im sure others are still for sale on the net,,,,just cant find them)..

B


Posted by: workingatit43

Well here is a whole bunch of them all types of clones


Mass Cycle


Posted by: Pirate!

Phera Plex is not the best choice of steroid/prohormone for you. Something drier like Havoc/Epistane or a H-Drol. You don't want the blood pressure issues that might come from phera plex at your body fat level.


Posted by: soxmuscle

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Phera Plex is not the best choice of steroid/prohormone for you. Something drier like Havoc/Epistane or a H-Drol. You don't want the blood pressure issues that might come from phera plex at your body fat level.
Where, what and how did you study? Your intelligence on this kind of stuff impresses me.


Posted by: Pirate!

By know means am I an expert on gear use, but I have a strong background in integrative physiology, biochemistry, orangic chem and so on from my work at The University of Texas College of Natural Sciences.


Posted by: zombul

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Originally Posted by Pirate! View Post
Phera Plex is not the best choice of steroid/prohormone for you. Something drier like Havoc/Epistane or a H-Drol. You don't want the blood pressure issues that might come from phera plex at your body fat level.

Agreed you'll add water wait you probably don't want at 20% body fat.I have cut on ProMagnon if you are looking for a PH to cut on that you can still buy.


Posted by: Back2gym

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Agreed you'll add water wait you probably don't want at 20% body fat.I have cut on ProMagnon if you are looking for a PH to cut on that you can still buy.
I will look into that
B


Posted by: joey0480

yeah I haven't been on here long but I have a decent science background...won't get into my job.

you definitely want to be cautious of your BP. What is it currently? Are you on any meds? Trust me, I am at 18% BF right now...I have to lean out. H-drol for me. And i am on meds for BP. That is why I am going with a low side effect PH just to be safe and taking all supplement and PCT precautions.


Posted by: Back2gym

Not Sure on that but I will get it checked......HDROL Is good for cutting? I may want to try that first.

B


Posted by: Pirate!

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HDROL Is good for cutting?
B
If your diet is right, yes. It's pretty low key, but it helps with appetite and muscle retention while dieting for sure.


Posted by: mcguin

is milk thistle needed while taking h-drol? Also what is a good PCT to take with H-drol? I hear about people stacking other types of supplements while on prohormones? Is this necessary? What are the benefits versus not taking anything other than in this case the H-drol? thanks


Posted by: workingatit43

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is milk thistle needed while taking h-drol? Also what is a good PCT to take with H-drol? I hear about people stacking other types of supplements while on prohormones? Is this necessary? What are the benefits versus not taking anything other than in this case the H-drol? thanks
Milk Thistle should be used with any methylated compound period. PCT some peolpe say you can get away with something that has Trans-Resveratrol 50% i am going to use this in my Haldrol cycle in about a month but i also have a bottle of Nolva on hand just in case


Posted by: bbattag

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Not Sure on that but I will get it checked......HDROL Is good for cutting? I may want to try that first.

B
Yes, I agree. H-drol is prob the best bet. Gains without the water retention. As long as you take something for your liver (Liv 52, Milk thistle, etc), you should be fine.



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