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Posted by: soxmuscle

This shouldn't be news to anybody, I told you Santana would be traded to the Mets over a week ago.

The Mets will be an excellent ball club next year.

Posted by: tucker01

Only to choke again like usual

Posted by: A Black Guy

I'll be working spring training this year, I'll try to keep up to date on things.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

This is good news for several reasons:

1) The Red Sox keep all their young talent (and they have a lot of it)
C) The Yankee fuck nachos don't get him
3) It gets Santana the hell out of the American League

Everyone wins! Well, except the Yankees, but they suck anyway.

Posted by: MCx2

Fuck this shit. I'm a Phillies fan and one of my drivers is a Mets fan. Fuck.

Posted by: min0 lee

Good news for the Mets, he'll do real well in the NL.
I don't know much about the prospects the Mets used for the trade...which is good.

P.S.
The Twins originally wanted Reyes..

Lets Go Mets!

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

Fuck this shit. I'm a Phillies fan and one of my drivers is a Mets fan. Fuck.

Driver as in Limo driver?

Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

This is good news for several reasons:

1) The Red Sox keep all their young talent (and they have a lot of it)
C) The Yankee fuck nachos don't get him
3) It gets Santana the hell out of the American League

Everyone wins! Well, except the Yankees, but they suck anyway.

Yanks still win, they don't have to lose any of the players they were saving.
Santana, I believe doesn't have a winning record against the team that matters....Boston.

I would rather stick with the 2 young guns than settle for Santana.

Posted by: MCx2

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Driver as in Limo driver?

I wish.

Delivery drivers.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

The Mets are always the best or second best on paper. They better make the WS this year. I've picked them to be in it the past two years

Posted by: min0 lee

Twins agree to deal Santana to Mets for prospects - USATODAY.com

The Mets paid a price in prospects to land Santana, agreeing to send the Twins outfielder Carlos Gomez and pitchers Phil Humber, Deolis Guerra and Kevin Mulvey.
"We are hoping to bring this to a close, soon. Nothing to announce today," Twins general manager Bill Smith said in an e-mail to USA TODAY.

The deal would give the Mets the much-needed ace at the front of their rotation. Santana won the American League Cy Young Award in 2004 and 2006 and is 93-44 lifetime. He went 15-13 with a 3.33 ERA for the Twins last season. Santana has struck out at least 235 batters each of the past four seasons.

While the deal drains much of the talent out of the Mets' farm system, they did manage to hold on to top prospect Fernando Martinez, an outfielder. Instead, they headed the package with Gomez, who turned 22 in December and spent 58 games with the Mets last year.
Gomez is what scouts like to call a five-tool player, a combination of offensive ability that includes power and speed as well as an above-average defensive game and a strong arm. He has worked to cut down a strikeout rate that was high during the early part of a minor league career that began in 2004 after the Mets signed him out of the Dominican Republic. He made his major league debut last May and hit .232.

Humber, 25, is the Mets' 2004 first-round pick who has made five major league appearances, including one start, over the past two seasons. He won 11 games at Class AAA last season, his first full year after having Tommy John surgery in 2005.

Santana would give the Mets the best rotation in the NL East after they missed out on the division title by one game thanks to a historic September collapse. He'd likely be joined by Pedro Martinez, John Maine, Oliver Perez and Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez.

The Twins, meanwhile, would see yet another young star they produced leave the organization. Their Gold Glove outfielder, Torii Hunter, left for the Los Angeles Angels this offseason. Gomez would be a candidate to replace him in center field.

With Santana gone, there is a big opening in the Twins' rotation. Francisco Liriano is on track to return after missing last season following elbow surgery, but Carlos Silva signed with Seattle as a free agent, leaving youngsters Scott Baker, Boof Bonser and Kevin Slowey as the starters with the most experience.
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Posted by: MCx2

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

The Mets are always the best or second best on paper. They better make the WS this year. I've picked them to be in it the past two years

Heh, I was pretty pleased with last year's collapse.

Posted by: min0 lee

If Pedro's healthy and El Duque somehow finds the fountain of youth during the post season.....well then.

Posted by: A Black Guy

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I don't know much about the prospects the Mets used for the trade...which is good.

We talked about Guerra this summer on here. He was the Mets' strongest pitching prospect but still a couple years out.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Yanks still win...

No, they still suck.

Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

No, they still suck.

I can't say anything this year...

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by A Black Guy

We talked about Guerra this summer on here. He was the Mets' strongest pitching prospect but still a couple years out.

You think this was a good trade?
How good are these kids?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

You think this was a good trade?
How good are these kids?

Peter Gammons said the Mets traded 4 of their top 10 prospects, but kept their #1 pitching prospect and their #1 position player prospect. The vibe from Twins fans (based on what I heard on ESPNEWS) is that the Twins got ROBBED. The Red Sox were offering MLB-ready young studs in Lester or Ellsbury.

Posted by: min0 lee

I just hope he doesn't turn into a Frank Viola.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Hey, Frank Viola was good!

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Hey, Frank Viola was good!

Till he became a Met.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

The first game I went to in Boston, it was Sox vs Twins...Frank Viola vs Roger Clemens. Sox won 17-7.

Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

The first game I went to in Boston, it was Sox vs Twins...Frank Viola vs Roger Clemens. Sox won 17-7.

With the Twins he was throwing blanks, with the Mets..

I may remember that game.

Posted by: spstan29

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

It sounds like the Mets made a really good deal. I don't know what the twins were thinking. They could have gotten a better deal 2 months ago.

Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by spstan29

It sounds like the Mets made a really good deal. I don't know what the twins were thinking. They could have gotten a better deal 2 months ago.

True, but the Yanks were not budging and the deadline was around the corner.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

True, but the Yanks were not budging and the deadline was around the corner.

The Twins waited too long. They were hoping Epstein or Cashman would cave and up their antes. Neither one bit. Nice work by both those guys.

Posted by: soxmuscle

Quote:

Originally Posted by spstan29

It sounds like the Mets made a really good deal. I don't know what the twins were thinking. They could have gotten a better deal 2 months ago.

They did the right thing.

Gomez has put up better numbers at a younger age in comparison to Jacoby Ellsbury who was the front liner in a deal a couple of months ago. They're getting two solid middle of the rotation guys that will be able to help in '08 and then another pitcher whose upside is that of a 1 or 2 down the road.

I'm not going to say they got a better deal because Gomez (after the Mets rushed him to the majors like the idiots they are) isn't as sure of a thing as either Ellsbury or Hughes, but I really do believe this could work out well for them down the road.

It also doesn't hurt that the Red Sox don't play the Mets, meaning they won't see Santana until late October, whereas the Yankees will see the Mets for 6 games and likely 2 losses or starts.

The Twins will be fun to watch this year.

Posted by: anabolics29

I think Santana's best years are behind him. Once he gets the big contract he wont be the same.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by anabolics29

I think Santana's best years are behind him. Once he gets the big contract he wont be the same.

Do you have any reason for thinking that?

I personally think he'll be excellent for a team that is title contention year in and year out, he was in the past.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by anabolics29

I think Santana's best years are behind him. Once he gets the big contract he wont be the same.

I don't think so, although he put in a lot of milage these past couple of years he is playing in a weaker league.
It also helps to have him pitch around competative pitchers like Pedro and El Duque.

I just hope he doesn't get the George Foster flu.

Posted by: min0 lee

SI.com - Writers - Jon Heyman: Mets scored big, but don't blame Twins yet - Thursday January 31, 2008 4:14PM

The deal with the deal

The Twins are taking more hits now than Johan Santana gave up in his short but illustrious tenure in Minnesota.
"I think they blew it,'' one competing executive says, succinctly expressing the sentiments of many following the long-awaited trade of Santana.

The Twins' record on making trades for prospects should give them some rope. Practically no team has made more stars-for-prospects trades than Minnesota over the years, and while that's not necessarily a good thing, the Twins are definitely practiced at it.
The Twins' trades almost always look better when critiqued years later. They did well in the Chuck Knoblauch trade after the 1997 season, getting future All-Stars Cristian Guzman and Eric Milton from the Yankees. They won the Frank Viola trade, grabbing two very good young pitchers from the Mets in 1989 -- Kevin Tapani and Rick Aguilera -- who became key components of their 1991 world championship team. They absolutely killed in the A.J. Pierzynski trade in November 2003, stealing pitchers Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Boof Bonser from the Giants.

Posted by: min0 lee

Carl Pohlad, The Twins' multibillionaire cheapskate owner, is probably happy to see the two-time Cy Young winner going to the Mets since he won't be coming to town twice a year to remind his fans how cheap he is, and some will speculate that that the real reason why Santana's going to the Mets. But say this for the Twins' new GM Bill Smith. He wasn't afraid to make a deal without immediate impact. He was willing to play for 2009, or even 2010. And if you can't keep Santana, that's not such a bad idea. Without Santana, the Twins aren't contenders. No sense fooling themselves.
Some are saying that the Yankees and Red Sox retreated so far by the Tuesday deadline that the Mets were the only viable choice the Twins had left. One executive from a National League team told me he believes the Mets were just being good sports to sign off on Guerra on deadline day. (Word is, the Mets held back Guerra until the Twins showed they were really serious about trading with them.) "Stand up guys,'' was how that competing executive said he views the Mets.

Posted by: min0 lee

If you can really fault the Twins, perhaps it was for failing to pounce on the Yankees' offer of top young pitcher Phil Hughes, center fielder Melky Cabrera, pitching prospect Jeffrey Marquez and a fourth undetermined prospect when it was briefly on the table for the first couple days of the winter meetings back in early December. Instead, the Twins pressed for the Yankees to also include another top young pitcher, Ian Kennedy, going for the grand slam. If you want to hit the Twins, hit them for that.
The Yankees' proposal, however fleeting, may have been the best one. Even the AL scout who defended the Twins thought so, saying, "I think the Yankees' deal would have been better because those two guys (Hughes and Cabrera) already showed what they can do in the big leagues.''

Posted by: min0 lee

Even if that's true -- and Cabrera is no world-beater yet (even those who don't love Gomez say he's "a tick above'' Cabrera in terms of value) -- it's still hard to knock Smith for ignoring Hank Steinbrenner's quick deadline and pressing for more.
Who could have thought Hank the Yank would actually stick to the deadline this time? In Steinbrenner the Junior's tenure at the top, he has showed he is willing to change his mind (hence the re-signing of A-Rod), to seal certain deals by giving away the store (thus a fourth year for 36-year-old catcher Jorge Posada) and even to over-rule general manager Brian Cashman (both A-Rod and Posada). So it's understandable why Smith still hoped for more.
But as we know by now, Cashman made a strong stand, building a convincing case regarding Hughes' toughness and potential. Then Hank's younger brother Hal, who controls the purse strings, tightened hard before Hank could loosen them again.
When the Twins made a last pass at the Yankees on Tuesday, it was too late. So when Cashman told the Twins yet again that Hughes was off the table, the Twins went for the gusto, requesting that instead Cashman send them both Kennedy and Chien-Ming Wang to go with Cabrera and Marquez. Why not? By then, it was clear that there was only one place left to go, and that was the Mets.

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