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Posted by: soxmuscle

New York Daily News:
A source close to Brian McNamee told the New York Daily News that the trainer gave the Justice Department's BALCO investigators vials with traces of steroids and growth hormone, as well as blood-stained syringes and gauze pads that may contain Roger Clemens' DNA.

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Kill yourself Roger.

Posted by: soxmuscle

New York, NY (Sports Network) - The Roger Clemens steroid controversy has reportedly taken another turn that could damage the star pitcher's claims that he has never taken performance-enhancing drugs.
According to a report by the New York Daily News, Brian McNamee, Clemens' former personal trainer, has turned over physical evidence to federal investigators that could support the findings in the Mitchell Report.
"This is evidence the government has that we believe will corroborate Brian in every significant way," McNamee lawyer Earl Ward told the Daily News.
McNamee's attorneys did not tell the paper the exact nature of the evidence, but the Daily News cited a source close to McNamee as saying investigators are now in possession of vials with traces of steroids and growth hormone, as well as blood-stained syringes and gauze pads that may contain Clemens' DNA.
Clemens gave a closed-door deposition to Congress on Tuesday, in preparation for next Wednesday's public hearing, and emerged from the five-hour session by saying "it was great to be able to tell them what I've been saying all along -- that I never used steroids or (human) growth hormone. I look forward to being here, I guess, in this room next week."
McNamee is slated to give a private deposition to Congress on Thursday, at which time he will likely talk about the alleged physical evidence.
"We will provide Congress with corroborative physical evidence that takes this case out of the he-said, she-said purview," another McNamee lawyer, Richard Emery, told the Daily News. "From our point of view, this corroborates that Brian told the truth from Day One and Clemens has not."
In the Mitchell Report, an investigation into baseball's steroid use led by former Senate majority leader George Mitchell, McNamee claimed he injected Clemens with steroids and human growth hormone at least 16 times between 1998 and 2001.
Clemens has consistently denied taking any performance-enhancing drugs, saying the only thing McNamee ever injected into him was a pain-killer called lidocaine and the Vitamin B-12. He said he never used steroids and disagrees with the use of it, saying that it is just a "quick fix."

Posted by: min0 lee

Damn.

Posted by: soxmuscle

You believed him?

He's been the Texas Con Man for as long as I can remember.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

You believed him?

He's been the Texas Con Man for as long as I can remember.

No, he was also a Redsox.

Posted by: min0 lee

I'll be honest with you, I never really cared for the guy.
Something about him.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

he was also a Redsox

I loved baseball/sports more than any youngin' I knew, but I can't say I remember much about him with the Sox until about 8 or 9 years old when it was becoming abundantly clear he wouldn't be back.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I loved baseball/sports more than any youngin' I knew, but I can't say I remember much about him with the Sox until about 8 or 9 years old when it was becoming abundantly clear he wouldn't be back.

He was ran out by that idiot in charge at the time. He thought Clemens was done.
I have always respected him as a pitcher but he's a wack job at times.

The Piazza incident was strange.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

He was ran out by that idiot in charge at the time. He thought Clemens was done.
I have always respected him as a pitcher but he's a wack job at times.

The Piazza incident was strange.

How do you know Duquette didn't make the right decision? Clemens wasn't on drugs until after he left the Sawx.

Plus, he pretty much set-up the 2004 team that won it all. He wasn't that bad of a GM.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Most people didn't think he was done. I never heard anything but bad things about Duqutte.

Are you sure that was all him? I thought it was mostly Epstine (sic)?

Posted by: min0 lee

SI.com - SI Writers - Tom Verducci - Inside Baseball - Tom Verducci: Clemens' feats in late stage of career are remarkable - Tuesday May 27, 2003 01:18 PM

when former Red Sox GM Dan Duquette allowed Clemens to leave Boston after the 1996 season because the hurler, Duquette said, was in "the twilight" of his career, Clemens had just come off a season in which he struck out more batters per nine innings than in every season of his career to that point, except 1988.

"Forget his won-loss record," current Red Sox GM Theo Epstein said, referring to Clemens' 10-13 mark in 1996. "His strikeout rate was still right up there and always has been. That tells you what kind of stuff he has."
Clemens struck out 20 batters in the last game he won for Boston. He had a 28-inning scoreless streak in August of '96, the longest in the majors that year. He also led the league in strikeouts. Does that sound like a pitcher losing his stuff?
Duquette, in an e-mail response to a query about Clemens, called the future Hall of Famer "a determined, durable, terrifically talented pitcher who has long been one of the best at what he does."
In addressing Clemens' departure, Duquette wrote, "During the last part of Roger's tenure with the Sox, I got the feeling that the intense pressure of being the most high-profile player for so many years in the boiling cauldron that is baseball in Boston was weighing heavily on Roger and he wanted to move along."
Not so, said Clemens, who stated that he would have preferred to remain in Boston but that Duquette made his decision to leave easy.
"It's no different than one corporation asking you to work for them, saying we want you, and the other corporation lets you go," Clemens said. "It's pretty easy. If [the Red Sox] had gotten anywhere close in the ballpark it would have been an easy decision [to stay]."

Perhaps what damns Duquette's "twilight" evaluation the most -- and seems wholly at odds with Clemens' work ethic throughout his career -- is Duquette's insinuation that Clemens was not in proper shape.
"For a number of reasons -- such as his health and conditioning, poor run support and minimal support from the bullpen -- his record and performance had slipped in his last few years with the Red Sox," Duquette wrote.
He added that Clemens "completely re-dedicated himself to his career, got himself in great shape and had two terrific years for the Blue Jays."

The numbers clearly do not suggest that Clemens let himself go physically. In fact, he averaged a whopping 125 pitches per start in '96, a career high. And if somehow you did think Clemens wasn't in proper condition while posting the second-best strikeout rate of his career and throwing his career high in pitches per start, wouldn't you keep him to find out what he could do by "getting into shape?"
When told of Duquette's comments, Clemens rolled his eyes and said, "Oh, yeah. Yeah, I dogged it. I mailed it in ... Like [agents Randy and Alan] Hendricks said, he's just trying to save face. The manager [Kevin Kennedy] knew it at the time. [Duquette] wanted his team and he wanted some other guys he brought in for Mo [Vaughn] and everybody. It was an easy decision. It wasn't a hard decision at all for me."

As it happened, what Duquette called "the twilight" of Clemens' career has catapulted the Rocket from a great pitcher to one of the best ever. Look at it another way: When Clemens left Boston he was 34 years old and had a career record of 192-111. By way of comparison, right now Mike Mussina is 34 years old and has a career record of 189-105.

Now look at Clemens in "twilight." He is 107-43. How good is that? Consider that Pedro Martinez is 108-34 in that same period, which happens to begin with Martinez's Cy Young Award breakout season of 1997, when Pedro was 25 years old. That means by won-lost record, Clemens at the end of his career has been virtually as reliable and as big a winner as Martinez has been in the youthful prime of his career. Amazing. Here's one more comparison just for the fun of it. Take every pitcher in history with 100 career decisions since the distance between home plate and the pitchers'
mound was set at 60 feet, six inches a century ago. Now take Twilight Clemens -- that is, Clemens only since he left Boston. Now rank all of them according to career winning percentage. Here's what you get:

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Most people didn't think he was done. I never heard anything but bad things about Duqutte.

Are you sure that was all him? I thought it was mostly Epstine (sic)?

Theo Epstein is his name. Da Jews.

Epstein made some brilliant moves, for instance David Ortiz and Curt Schilling or trading Nomar at the deadline, but the majority of the team were either drafted, traded for, or signed via free agency during Duquettes era.

Pedro, Lowe, Wakefield, Manny, Varitek... who else...

Posted by: soxmuscle

Interesting timing isn't it?

Posted by: Triple Threat

Why in the world would McNamee have used syringes and gauze pads from years ago just lying around? Did he envision something like this happening?

Posted by: shiznit2169

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Why in the world would McNamee have used syringes and gauze pads from years ago just lying around? Did he envision something like this happening?

I guess he was smart enough to save some evidence in case these kinds of issues ever arise. Never trust anybody .. even your "best friends".

Posted by: soxmuscle

People think Clemens B12/lidocaine admission is because he knew McNamee had this kind of evidence.

The whole thing is fishy, they both suck in my opinion.

Posted by: IainDaniel

I just don't give a shit.

Gov should just mind there own fucking business, and baseball should clean up there act.

Posted by: soxmuscle

I don't give a shit about anyone else, I just want Roger Clemens to be made into a fool.

The government shouldn't get involved in this shit at all, but look at that stupid fuck from Pennsylvania...

Posted by: largepkg

This evidence doesn't matter. There isn't one judge on this green earth that would allow that to be admissible in court.

BTW...I have some used pins, syringes and alcohol swabs with blood on them that date back 3 years. I use an old protein jug and throw all my used medical waste in it. So I guess it's plausible but this has extortion written all over it.

Posted by: soxmuscle

Kind of like how Clemens black mailed McNamee by recording a telephone conversation they had together. Of course, McNamee admitted nothing.

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by shiznit2169

I guess he was smart enough to save some evidence in case these kinds of issues ever arise. Never trust anybody .. even your "best friends".

i think he saved it incase he ever wanted to black mail a hall-of-fame pitcher with a shit ton of money.

both seem like scum bags right now.

After seeing some of the training they did together, I would need lidocaine after squatting on a smith machine with my feet that far out infront of me also. My back would fucking explode.

Posted by: soxmuscle

Congressman: Pettitte's account backs McNamee -- Newsday.com

Needles, his best friend's story lining up with McNamees to the "T"...

I can't wait until this whole ordeal is over and done with.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by P-funk

After seeing some of the training they did together, I would need lidocaine after squatting on a smith machine with my feet that far out infront of me also. My back would fucking explode.

I thought the exact same thing. The training in the videos that keep airing on TV is seriously flawed. That set of squats looks ridiculous.

Posted by: Big Smoothy

Clemens was one of the guys you just were suspicious of.

After the age of 40 he had intensity and velocity.

42? 43, 44?

The body isn't conditioned in MLB this way - naturally, that is.

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