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Concerns for the health of this community


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Posted by: KelJu

I have had at least 5 important questions about training over the past two weeks. I usually don't have question about training, because I have been here so long, and read more than I can remember about weight training. But for the first time, I have had to go elsewhere to get any decent information about sports and weight training.

This is pretty sad, imo. Hitting http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/search.php?do=getnew yields threads full of democrats suck, republicans suck, Obama sucks, terrorist this, explosions that, school shootings here, and gun control there.

There are only a handful of people in Training and D&N. No new lifeblood is coming in, and the site has stagnated more and more. Open chat is mainly full of people that never contribute to anything other than their political views. I have noticed a ton of regulars have left in the past three months, many of which contributed to the entire site, and not just open chat.

Basically, I feel that If I want to get media commentaries, I check IM. If I want to dig up some useful information sports specific training, I go elsewhere. I'm not very happy about this, because I have always held IM in the highest esteem. Its a damn shame.


Posted by: DOMS

The pendulum swings. You've been here almost as long as I have, you should know this by now.

Plus, a shit load of posts go into the Journals every morning and night.

This isn't the first time that this has happened, and it won't be the last.


Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
I have had at least 5 important questions about training over the past two weeks. I usually don't have question about training, because I have been here so long, and read more than I can remember about weight training. But for the first time, I have had to go elsewhere to get any decent information about sports and weight training.

This is pretty sad, imo. Hitting http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/search.php?do=getnew yields threads full of democrats suck, republicans suck, Obama sucks, terrorist this, explosions that, school shootings here, and gun control there.

There are only a handful of people in Training and D&N. No new lifeblood is coming in, and the site has stagnated more and more. Open chat is mainly full of people that never contribute to anything other than their political views. I have noticed a ton of regulars have left in the past three months, many of which contributed to the entire site, and not just open chat.

Basically, I feel that If I want to get media commentaries, I check IM. If I want to dig up some useful information sports specific training, I go elsewhere. I'm not very happy about this, because I have always held IM in the highest esteem. Its a damn shame.
okay, and what do you suggest?


Posted by: KelJu

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okay, and what do you suggest?
People with the knowledge need to make an effort to reply more to the threads in the training, D&N, and Health forums. I know newbs are annoying, but they become the next crop of knowledgeable people. I didn't know shit when I first signed on. I really still don't know as much as I should, but I am able to help people here and there.

I was treated differently when I signed up compared to how the newbs are treated now. I got good and bad advice along with a little attitude, but at least I was acknowledged. Now, many post seem to go unanswered or without the question being properly addressed. By the way, I give major props to witchblade, fufu and gaz for being the only people who seem to be trying to help in the training forums.


Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
The pendulum swings. You've been here almost as long as I have, you should know this by now.

Plus, a shit load of posts go into the Journals every morning and night.

This isn't the first time that this has happened, and it won't be the last.
this is very true, however I do know it seems that some long-timers are not being very active much, this is cyclical as well, hopefully some knowledgeable members will step up and fill in where needed...I am always looking for good mods as well.


Posted by: shiznit2169

You are dead on since i was thinking the same thing myself.

I was very lucky to have joined 3 years ago because members such as cowpimp, p-funk, mudge, LAM, Dale and several others were VERY helpful and steered me into the right direction. Also, cowpimp and p-funk wrote a lot of stickies for the training aspect and Jodi and Emma Leigh helped me out big time in the diet & nutrition forum.

Other than the fact that i am very busy nowadays and come on the boards at least once or twice per day, i have also noticed the increasing amount of non-training threads and a staggering amount of new members who never get any help. There are so many new threads in the training forum and there are always at least one or two replies as opposed to 20+ like it was years ago.

As for the online journals, i noticed p-funk no longer has one and cowpimp and some other well known members show up once in a while. I used to go to check out their training programs to give me new ideas of how to incorporate into my own but they are no longer around. Now i am forced to look elsewhere and develop my own programs without any help or feedback (i'm still learning) so it gets a little frustrating.

I noticed that the board is most active from March until September because that is when people go outside, swimming, take their shirts off so they want to get in shape and eat healthy. During the winter, it's a different story so people discuss topics other than training just to prevent boredom.

As far as suggestions go, there really isn't anything you can do. Things change over time and that's the way life is.


Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
People with the knowledge need to make an effort to reply more to the threads in the training, D&N, and Health forums. I know newbs are annoying, but they become the next crop of knowledgeable people. I didn't know shit when I first signed on. I really still don't know as much as I should, but I am able to help people here and there.

I was treated differently when I signed up compared to how the newbs are treated now. I got good and bad advice along with a little attitude, but at least I was acknowledged. Now, many post seem to go unanswered or without the question being properly addressed. By the way, I give major props to witchblade, fufu and gaz for being the only people who seem to be trying to help in the training forums.
KelJu your point is taken. I learned a ton from this site and have found the site to be very helpful. I largely have left the training forums because I got tired of questions about creatine, or which whey is best. my favorites were always the teenagers looking for steroid advice after 3 posts. So because of this I've left those forums. My workouts have also morphed into more of a muay thai workout than a bodybuilding workout. I agree that it has died down a bit and the regulars should make a greater effort in keeping this a quality site.


Posted by: DOMS

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Yi noticed p-funk no longer has one
I think that P-funk stopped posting in his journal because it became a dumping ground. Too many people posted to many non-relevant replies.

I'm like you, I really liked to read his journal.


Posted by: Prince

Well, I can tell you that traffic is higher than it's ever been, IronMagazine.com and IronMagazineforums.cm get a combined total of 10,000+ unique visits every day, sometimes as high as 13k per day.

I guess it's possible that newbies use the search function and find answers which could limit new threads, I also wonder if the similar thread search actually reduces members from starting new threads, that is something I added back a few months ago.

I am open to any ideas or suggestions, and as I said always looking for new mods to help out.


Posted by: KelJu

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Originally Posted by Prince View Post
Well, I can tell you that traffic is higher than it's ever been, IronMagazine.com and IronMagazineforums.cm get a combined total of 10,000+ unique visits every day, sometimes as high as 13k per day.

I guess it's possible that newbies use the search function and find answers which could limit new threads, I also wonder if the similar thread search actually reduces members from starting new threads, that is something I added back a few months ago.

I am open to any ideas or suggestions, and as I said always looking for new mods to help out.
I think Fufu, Witch, or Gaz would all make good mods for the training forum. They contribute the most and have good attitudes.


Posted by: danzik17

Can't speak for anyone else but I just don't feel like I know enough to be able to effectively answer a lot of questions. I have a good amount of knowledge but nothing on the level of Funk/Iain/Gazhole and such, and I don't want to give out bad information.


Posted by: Prince

that's cool, my point is it takes PEOPLE and MEMBERS to make a community like this, if you want to improve something PLEASE help improve it. I can only do so much here, I try and provide a place to exchange ideas, get advice, help others, etc., but it all comes down to the members, if you want this place to be better, HELP make it better! If you think you have what it takes to be a moderator send me a PM, my goal is, and always has been, to help people with bodybuilding and fitness because that is what I believe in! If that is what you believe in then please HELP us make this place the best it can be!


Posted by: IainDaniel

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Can't speak for anyone else but I just don't feel like I know enough to be able to effectively answer a lot of questions. I have a good amount of knowledge but nothing on the level of Funk/Iain/Gazhole and such, and I don't want to give out bad information.
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Posted by: danzik17

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Unfortunately I can't modify my comment to just be Funk/Gazhole


Posted by: Witchblade

I am one of the people that basically stopped posting in the training (and diet) forums. I feel like no new information can be found there anymore. It's all noobs asking questions that have been answered a thousand times previously.

Just an observation...


Posted by: Prince

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Originally Posted by Witchblade View Post
I am one of the people that basically stopped posting in the training (and diet) forums. I feel like no new information can be found there anymore. It's all noobs asking questions that have been answered a thousand times previously.

Just an observation...
a bad observation, and I would say that your own knowledge has a hit a wall if that is what you believe.


Posted by: Irons77

This site has loads and loads of info. use the "search" key I even get the everyday news here too, it rocks. I learn something everyday here about BB. Keep up the good work guys and gals


Posted by: goob

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This site has loads and loads of info. use the "search" key I even get the everyday news here too, it rocks. I learn something everyday here about BB. Keep up the good work guys and gals
Damn straight, everything I've learned has pretty much been from here, so i've decided to get elite membership as a way of saying thanks.


However, I agree with Kelju in that there is too much politics talk in OC. Different strokes for different folks, and of course it has a place here, but there seems to be too much, and the members doing a lot of the talk, don't even workout, or display any interest in fitness. *Rant Over.*


Posted by: Gazhole

Thanks for all the flattery in here guys, i try my best

I too have learned most of what i know from listening and discussing on here with members here. Some of which sadly don't post much any more. After so much time here though, i think people like P-funk and CowPimp deserve to be able to leave it alone. They've contributed a hell of a lot to these forums over the years, as have others, so now its the turn of the newer members to take over.

Just my $0.02.

I do think that we need some discussion going about more advanced areas of training though. It's true that a lot of the training topics are the old "what is the best split" and other newbie-topics.

For my part at least i'll try get these sorts of more in-depth and interesting discussions going from now on. Perhaps itll give me some ideas for more training articles which i can also post up here.

Whos with me, brothers and sisters!? FREEEDOM!


Posted by: Metallibanger

Overall training knowledge in this site is very, very low. Far from improving, it's worsening


Posted by: Prince

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Overall training knowledge in this site is very, very low. Far from improving, it's worsening



Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by Metallibanger View Post
Overall training knowledge in this site is very, very low. Far from improving, it's worsening
How long have you been here?


Posted by: Gazhole

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Overall training knowledge in this site is very, very low. Far from improving, it's worsening
Mate, in the one thread i engaged in discussion with you, you professed the belief that training different parts of the quadracep, and training different parts of the back were basically the same thing, even though the back is a collection of many muscles, and the quad is one muscle.




Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by Witchblade View Post
I am one of the people that basically stopped posting in the training (and diet) forums. I feel like no new information can be found there anymore. It's all noobs asking questions that have been answered a thousand times previously.

Just an observation...

I feel the same way you do. I'm answering the same redundant questions. I feel like I'm wasting my time replying to somebody asking "how does this program look? I want to tone up." They usually only have 2 posts and never reply to the questions I ask them. Such as weight, goals, diet etc. I think I still do my part though. It depends a lot of the person who is posting. Like me, I wanted answers to my questions and got them here. That is why I'm still here. This board is very informative if you just take the time to read some of the posts and listen to what people have to say.


Posted by: Prince

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I feel the same way you do. I'm answering the same redundant questions. I feel like I'm wasting my time replying to somebody asking "how does this program look? I want to tone up." They usually only have 2 posts and never reply to the questions I ask them. Such as weight, goals, diet etc. I think I still do my part though. It depends a lot of the person who is posting. Like me, I wanted answers to my questions and got them here. That is why I'm still here. This board is very informative if you just take the time to read some of the posts and listen to what people have to say.
welcome to a message board that has many new members joining daily, what do you expect?


Posted by: Built

That's why I have a lot of the basic questions covered in my blog. I can just paste in the relevant link and be done with it.

Proactive laziness.


Posted by: Nate K

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Mate, in the one thread i engaged in discussion with you, you professed the belief that training different parts of the quadracep, and training different parts of the back were basically the same thing, even though the back is a collection of many muscles, and the quad is one muscle.

naw the quad is a term used to refer to the muscles in the front of the upper leg....rectus femoris, vastus lateralis and medialis...I think you knew this.


Posted by: Witchblade

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naw the quad is a term used to refer to the muscles in the front of the upper leg....rectus femoris, vastus lateralis and medialis...I think you knew this.
(Irony?)

You forgot the vastus intermedius. Also, Gaz meant that they all function as one muscle during knee extension. You can't emphasize one over the other.


Posted by: Metallibanger

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naw the quad is a term used to refer to the muscles in the front of the upper leg....rectus femoris, vastus lateralis and medialis...I think you knew this.
You're wasting your time


Posted by: Prince

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That's why I have a lot of the basic questions covered in my blog. I can just paste in the relevant link and be done with it.

Proactive laziness.
we also have several sticky threads in the training & diet/nutrition forums that covers many basic question, new members just fail to look before they start a thread.


Posted by: min0 lee

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You're wasting your time
This sounds personal.


Posted by: Nate K

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Originally Posted by Witchblade View Post
(Irony?)

You forgot the vastus intermedius. Also, Gaz meant that they all function as one muscle during knee extension. You can't emphasize one over the other.

I never said you can emphasize one over the other.

If you will read the post Gaz said the quad is one muscle and the back is many. This is wrong as I pointed out.
Quit getting defensive bitch your not special....i'm just trying to mess with you.


Posted by: Metallibanger

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This sounds personal.
No, it's just that I find it funny how some obvious things are so hard to understand


Posted by: min0 lee

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No, it's just that I find it funny how some obvious things are so hard to understand
I don't understand?


Posted by: Metallibanger

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I don't understand?
Do you?


Posted by: Irons77

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I don't understand?
I don't understand either


Posted by: Witchblade

He cannot fathom the notion that you cannot emphasize certain portions of a muscle over others.


Posted by: min0 lee

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He cannot fathom the notion that you cannot emphasize certain portions of a muscle over others.
I See....


Posted by: Metallibanger

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He cannot fathom the notion that you cannot emphasize certain portions of a muscle over others.
I guess that it will take time to correct these mistaken beliefs


Posted by: natural^

sorry for interrupting but im jsut curious, the training section is for people who need help training, and there are noobs that post stuff about 'build a routine' and 'am i doing this right'. what are ideal threads and questions that would not irrate yall. i guess what im asking is what questions havent been answered that isn't considered a noob question and a question that would be enjoyable to answer?

feel free to ignore this, was just wondering.


Posted by: DOMS

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sorry for interrupting but im jsut curious, the training section is for people who need help training, and there are noobs that post stuff about 'build a routine' and 'am i doing this right'. what are ideal threads and questions that would not irrate yall. i guess what im asking is what questions havent been answered that isn't considered a noob question and a question that would be enjoyable to answer?

feel free to ignore this, was just wondering.
If you read the stickies and then ask a question beyond that content, then it would generate interest.


Posted by: min0 lee

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If you read the stickies and then ask a question beyond that content, then it would generate interest.



Posted by: natural^

so basically, its people not reading stickies then making a thread about that subject? i guess that would annoy me also.


Posted by: lucifuge

I've spent some time on other forums, but I personally feel that IM is the best.
The amount of information here is amazing and I have complete respect for so many people here.
I'll admit, sometimes the "how's my routine" questions get a little old, but I honestly do not see why it's so difficult for a 'noob' to read the damned stickies.


Posted by: DOMS

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so basically, its people not reading stickies then making a thread about that subject? i guess that would annoy me also.
That's it.

Questions like, "I'm doing a full workout of nothing but biceps, should I do 20 or 30 sets for each exercise?" is pretty insulting in that it shows the person has done nothing to educate themselves and want to be spoon-fed.

On the other hand, asking if your push/pull/legs routine is well balanced shows just the opposite and will get some very useful input.


Posted by: min0 lee

The creatine questions were the worst, it's not so bad now.


Posted by: Irons77

What is creatine? MinO lol


Posted by: DOMS

No, that's not how it goes. It's more like, "I been taking creatine for four weeks, how long should the PCT be?" or "I took too much creatine, am I going to die?"


Posted by: min0 lee

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What is creatine? MinO lol



Posted by: natural^

never taken it.


Posted by: DOMS

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He even fucked up your name.


Posted by: min0 lee

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He even fucked up your name.
MinO lol.....ha!


Posted by: Irons77

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MinO lol.....ha!
Sorry for that minO, will not happen again


Posted by: tomuchgear

main thing i have noticed on here is people dont like to hear the word synthol. also alot of stupid posts regarding abs, then some dumb questions bout juice. other forums i have seen alot of really stupid posts about juice were to get so on and so on. i like this place stupid stuff gets axed quickly. keep up the good work guys.


Posted by: Gazhole

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Originally Posted by Nate K View Post
naw the quad is a term used to refer to the muscles in the front of the upper leg....rectus femoris, vastus lateralis and medialis...I think you knew this.
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Originally Posted by Witchblade View Post
You forgot the vastus intermedius. Also, Gaz meant that they all function as one muscle during knee extension. You can't emphasize one over the other.
Yeah, my bad - i should have made that clearer, lol.

My point was that the quad muscles do the same thing (basically), whereas the muscles of the back do very different things.

I dont wanna get into that topic again fuck it.


Posted by: Gazhole

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"I took too much creatine, am I going to die?"


Please tell me that wasnt actually a thread.

Funny story though, when i was a n00b and started taking Creatine to "get big" i misread the dosage and took 2 tablespoons instead of 2 teaspoons.

My legs cramped up before i even got to the fucking gym.


Posted by: Hoglander

People are going to come here because they need help. I don't think that is to surprising. People stay here for years with thousands of posts because they need help, IMHO. You have to ask yourself what is normal and move on from there. I am not normal, BTW. I'm just not totally abnormal.... yet.


Posted by: DOMS

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Please tell me that wasnt actually a thread.

Funny story though, when i was a n00b and started taking Creatine to "get big" i misread the dosage and took 2 tablespoons instead of 2 teaspoons.

My legs cramped up before i even got to the fucking gym.
No, that wasn't a real question.

Great story.


Posted by: Gazhole

It was a bad afternoon, i figured out what id done as soon as my legs started to hurt, lol. I drank so much water


Posted by: countryboy

from a newbie...

I read the articles / stickies and a whole bunch of stuff..

*BUT*

Somtimes I want the "latest" information, not something from 2 years ago. How much has technology (training) and science (nutrition, etc.) changed in 2 years? Might get different answers from what you would in a searcch.

Also, I read the stickies, put together a program, but am not sure of the interpretation of some items.. sometimes you just need someone else to say "yes or "no".. other times it is good to get another opinion...

For those before me > Thank-You!

It's all good!




Posted by: IainDaniel

Where oh where has our little Kelju gone.

Oh where oh where has he gone?


Posted by: goob

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Where oh where has our little Kelju gone.

Oh where oh where has he gone?

brogers killed him.


Posted by: largepkg

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brogers killed him.
Not possible us republicans don't believe in killing. ie GWB, oh wait...shit!



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