Originally Posted by chris mason

Ahhh, so now I am an idiot and as well as the owner of this site...

Ok, you win. I am tired of you.

Originally Posted by chris mason

You win, I am tired of you as well. Keep spewing your crap. You are wrong, but arguing with internet twits like you is rather pointless, no?

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

/waiting for Chris to go cry to the mods and have every somewhat negative post about his product deleted.

Originally Posted by chris mason

a) No need to wait.

b) You disparaged the site owner in a thread. That is probably not a good idea.

Originally Posted by Built

Just to clarify here, Dr. Volek - whose research on the benefits of reduced-carbohydrate diets are well known - specifically names Nitor and Thermocin as the At Large products he supports in that link. Both of these products enhance the insulin-resistance and subsequent muscle-sparing that low-carb weight-loss dieting promotes, so his endorsement of them should be of no surprise to anyone who is well-read on the subject.

Has Dr. Volek expressed his expert opinion on your HMB formulation, Chris?

Originally Posted by chris mason

Built, try reading again, he specifically notes the fat burners, but also generally comments on the entire line.

I am sure he would be ok with the HMB formulation as he was involved in a study which I referenced which supports its efficacy.

Originally Posted by Built

I read it fine the first time, Chris, no worries. He didn't specifically mention your HMB formulation, and his comments pre-dated its release. I respect Volek a lot. I'd love to hear his comments on your product if he ever makes an assessment of it.

Thanks for the reply. I'll go read some more of the citations - I love reading Volek's stuff.

Originally Posted by chris mason

a) No need to wait.

b) You disparaged the site owner in a thread. That is probably not a good idea.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I didn't disparage Prince in the least.

Originally Posted by chris mason

Built, he just sent me that endorsement about a week ago.

Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

Still waiting for that explanation of what a "creatine impurity" is...

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Speak english, you fluffy kitten.

If you're trying to put words in my mouth and say that I think Prince is an idiot, you just completely misread what I wrote, further proving my original point that you're as dumb as rocks.

Your product is overpriced. Once again, end of story, period.. Stop trying to say it isn't.

Originally Posted by HP666

Creatine Monohydrate is sourced from two different chemicals. The first is Sodium Sarcosinate. Sodium Sarcosinate, acid, and cyanamide are brought together to form a reaction, then they go through a process of separation, washing, and drying. Then bingo out pops creatine monohydrate. This creatine monohydrate is the purest creatine monohydrate made. How do I know this? This type of creatine process is PATENTED world wide by (even has a CHINA patent) and goes by the name of CREAPURE. No other company in the world can use Sodium Sarcosinate to make creatine monohydrate.

The OTHER chemical that is used to make ALL OTHER (this is important) ALL OTHER creatines, and I don�€™t care what type of creatine it is ALL OTHER creatines is a chemical called thiourea. Thiourea is bad stuff. Making creatine monohydrate by using thiourea is actually patented by a CHINESE company. �€œThe majority of Chinese creatine is manufactured according to a patented process (U.S. patent 6,326,513) that is very low-cost, but for which large quantities of thiourea are used. There is a considerable risk that this creatine could be contaminated with thiourea. Ingested thiourea is extremely harmful to health and is considered carcinogenic. For example, it is on the list of substances that are not allowed to be put in cosmetic products. It is forbidden to use Chinese creatine for cosmetic products. But creatine from China has not been banned as a dietary supplement. (Consumer Protection)�€�
Not good huh?. To nuts with all the other creatine monohydrates out there. And to debate which one WORKS better in my book is pointless. Why? Because there is not a chance in hell that I am going to be using a creatine monohydrate from CHINA. I don�€™t know about you but I�€™m 38 years old and my health is important to me.


Creapure is the only form of creatine NOT from CHINA. that includes all the other "types" of creatine...They hold the worldwide patent on making creatine from sodium sacrosinate.

So if it doesn't clearly say CREAPURE do NOT put it in your body. That includes all the Cell Mass type products out there that contain creatine. If it doesn't say CREAPURE DO NOT USE IT.

Originally Posted by nni

prolab does not use creapure, and prolab has one of the best qc standards in the industry. saying use creapure or nothing is not accurate.

Originally Posted by nni

prolab does not use creapure, and prolab has one of the best qc standards in the industry. saying use creapure or nothing is not accurate.

Originally Posted by chris mason

Read this article: What's Really in Your Supplements? - An Update on Creatine by Will Brink

I am sure you will find some problem with it, but perhaps you can take it up with Will who is a member here.

Originally Posted by Built

Please stick to the actual topic, okay? Everybody play nice. Don't make me turn this car around!!!

Originally Posted by Travis Bell

...ignore the fact its been shown here that its not overpriced.

Originally Posted by aussie

Fact? What fact says that it's not overpriced? It's 50 fucking dollars for a 30-day supply.

You can get a 200-day supply of the the same Creapure creatine for $22. Several pounds of dextrose won't even run you $10.

So what are you paying for that makes Results "reasonably" priced: beta-alanine and HMB?? Two supps that have been shown to do jack-shit. You'd be better off dropping these ingredients and replacing them with colostrum so you at least know you're getting something that drives a premium price tag.

Originally Posted by Travis Bell

*sigh*

I give up. At the end of the day, I'll keep taking Results and benching 700+lbs. What you guys do is up to you.

Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

That's the problem, they're convinced that HMB is such an amazing supplement despite it's disappointing performance in numerous studies.

If HMB was as great as these guys are saying, every athlete in the world from sprinters to polo players would be using it. Most people have never even heard of it because it was discredited a long time ago.



Right, because RESULTS is the cause of your 700lb bench, ha. I'm sure cell tech is why Cutler was able to finally take the Olympia title as well.

Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

That's the problem, they're convinced that HMB is such an amazing supplement despite it's disappointing performance in numerous studies.

Originally Posted by aussie

Okay, but he started it!

Apparently since I'm an "ignorant, biased, internet twit" in the eyes of Chris for pointing out the issues in Results, I went ahead and checked out Will Brink's research on HMB and beta-alanine since he's listed as one of the "great minds" for this site.

Neither HMB or BA receives Brink's seal of approval. Not even close actually especially when it comes to being effective or showing strength/hypertrophy benefits.

Incidentally, ALN Results is mentioned in Brink's forum. Within this topic Will reiterates that he's not impressed with HMB, states that 80g of sugar is not recommended other than post-workout, the beta-alanine dose is on the low end, and that micronized creapure is dirt cheap (so why pay this much for it). One of the mods in Will's forums (who I believe is a strength behemoth) is even less impressed with Results. With regards to the ingredients he comments that the creatine "is the only useful ingredient in this product" and that "it would be more cost-effective to buy it separately and in bulk".

Now surely we can't say that Will's research is biased (but then again, what would I be biased towards... common sense perhaps)? In an earlier link I provided a link to a HMB review that's solid and the site from which it's published also has no hidden motives or agendas.

I'll be sticking with my 1,000g of Creapure creatine mono that I got for $22 and will last me until we're in 2009.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

You and Chris Mason can't form a legible sentence in the English language.

Why would I want biased ebonics.. err "advice"?

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Oh, and a little bit of advice.

You've made it abundantly clear that your only on this board to increase ALN's customers/profits, writing legibly and not looking like a retard could help.

Originally Posted by thewicked

Seen any of the other posts I've written in this forum besides those only in the supplement area?


I'm sure others would beg to differ.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I actually have and your journal is pretty respectable, I'll give you that.

Originally Posted by nni

prolab does not use creapure, and prolab has one of the best qc standards in the industry. saying use creapure or nothing is not accurate.

Originally Posted by Built

Mr. Brink is clearly in favour of good quality creatine.
<click for Will Brink's review of Creatine from his book "Body Buiding Revealed">

However, unless he's changed his mind since 2006, he's none too fond of HMB. In fact, when asked what he thought was the biggest supplement scam in the last 20 years, he agreed that in addition to hot stuff and the cybergenics total bodybuilding system, HMB "sucked". Will Brink reviews HMB in his book "Body Building Revealed". I'd be interested to read what he says about it.

Originally Posted by WillBrink

I don't consider HMB a total scam like other products out there, but there is better $$$ spent, that's for sure. HMB, KIC, GAKIC, etc are all fully reviewed in the ebook yes, with supporting data, or lack there of, covered, as well as "real world" feedback, etc.

Originally Posted by chris mason

One point being sorely missed by the "twits" is that HMB is part of a total formula which makes said formula better. As someone who formulates products, I think it incumbent upon me to create the best product I can within reasonable cost parameters. That is EXACTLY why I included HMB. You will note that I do not offer HMB by itself.

Originally Posted by Built

Chris,

Just to clarify - although it has been established that HMB does nothing on its own (hence, why you don't sell it as a stand-alone), it has a positive, interactive effect when combined as you have done with the other ingredients (creatine, dextrose, and BA) in your product?

Originally Posted by Built

Chris,

Just to clarify - although it has been established that HMB does nothing on its own (hence, why you don't sell it as a stand-alone), it has a positive, interactive effect when combined as you have done with the other ingredients (creatine, dextrose, and BA) in your product?

Originally Posted by chris mason

Built, you are allowing some terrible things to go on in this thread and I have zero interest in addressing you.

Chris

Originally Posted by workingatit43

Lucifuge this has been a great log and I feel that anyone who has not tried a product should be bad mouthing it.

Originally Posted by Built

You have NO idea how much I've pruned this thread.

Originally Posted by Built

Chris,

Just to clarify - although it has been established that HMB does nothing on its own (hence, why you don't sell it as a stand-alone), it has a positive, interactive effect when combined as you have done with the other ingredients (creatine, dextrose, and BA) in your product?

Originally Posted by chris mason

Built, you are allowing some terrible things to go on in this thread and I have zero interest in addressing you.

Chris

Originally Posted by Prince

This Is A Journal Thread, Please Stop Debating ALN's Products Here!

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Okay, new thread it is.

Sorry, Luc. Great journal. Keep up the good work.

Originally Posted by workingatit43

Another good work out bro

Originally Posted by lucifuge

Day 30
5/30/08
Finished up the last of the RESULTS tonight.
Low Incline Bench:
135 x 12
225 x 8
275 x 4 + 1 (r/p) PR
285 x 2 PR
225 x 6, 6
Pec Deck:
100 x 15
120 x 13
130 x 11
Overhead Extensions:
3 sets 40 x 8 each arm
Rope Pressdowns:
60 x 13 (r/p) 10 (r/p) 8


Good stuff.
I'll weigh in and take measurements tomorrow just to be as comprehensive as possible. I don't think there's been much hypertrophy, but I've definitely seen some substantial strength gains since starting this log. I think in total I've set a dozen PR's over the past month and that's nothing to sneeze at.

Originally Posted by chris mason

Good work!

How does that saying go? The proof is in the pudding?

Originally Posted by workingatit43

Great log bro