just got home from USMC bootcamp
and i gained a little bit of unwanted bodyfat
stats are
male
20 years
5'11"
175lbs
im willing to follow a strict diet with the exception of dinner meal
which i will be eating with my family at home (never out)
however i feel i have a pretty good eye, and knowledge of nutritional facts, so i think ill be able to govern myself farely well for this one meal
also i have left out things which have little to no caloric effect
(vegetables, fruit, water etc...)
1850 calories
this is leaving out dinner which would usually run around 400-500 calories
last night for instance was
half of a smoked hen................................26...........10 ........0..............200
1 full "stuffed potato skin"..........................4............9..... ....9..............140
2 slices of "schwan's multigrain bread"..........3............1.........10......... ....60
.................................................. ..........pro..........fat......carbs
which brings the macros to........................234..........82......120 ..........2250cals
meal 1 emediatly upon rising
meal 5 approx 1.5 hours befor workout
meal 6 comes within 30min after my workout
meal 7 directly befor bed
any critique/suggestions welcome
Posted by: Merkaba
how do you gain body fat at a bootcamp....geez
Posted by: Ben-dur
haha bootcamp was shitty
but its not the physically demanding 3 month gym visit people think it is
no "weight trainging" (meaning no weights)
little sleep
3 meals and about 6000 calories a day
mostly from high startch carb sources and
lots of peanut butter
left home at 168 and around 8% bf
came home at 175 and around 12%
i lost a half inch in my arms
and gained about 2 around my waist
nothing to be shocked and concerned about
but with summer approching
id like to get back down in the 6-8% range for a little while
Posted by: Plateau_Max
I gained weight in Air Force boot camp. The food they provide you is horrible in military basic training. It's just not going to improve people who did a lot of working out before joining.
Posted by: Built
How about you say how much fat you want to drop and in what time frame? At 175 lbs and 12% bodyfat, you currently have about 154 lbs lean mass. If we manage to keep this while dropping you down to 7% bodyfat, you will hit that goal at about 165 lbs. So… you need to drop 10 pounds. How fast do you intend to drop this, and what will your training be like while you do it?
Also, what are your maintenance calories?
Posted by: Merkaba
lol...oh well.
Posted by: Ben-dur
i do
chest/tri
back/bi
legs
rest
and repeat
my workouts usually consist of compound sets first (3 exercises, 3 sets of 8-10 reps)
then some isolate work (maybe 2 exercises, 3 sets 8-10 reps)
i tend to switch my exercises almost every workout
so an example
chest/tri (45 mins)
dips 12,10,8
db press 10, 10, 8
incline db press 10, 8, 8
but next time i work out i may switch the db's for a barbell
or i might switch the incline for military
back/bis(45 mins)
pullups 14, 12, 10
t-bar 10, 10, 8
bent over rows 10, 10, 8
shrugs 10, 10, 8
legs (usually shorter workout)(30-40 mins)
squats
lunges
leg press
calfs
i also enjoy running a couple times a week (3 miles which happens in 22mins)
rest day and back day usually
i run early morning
and lift late afternoon/evening
as for my maint. diet, i couldnt tell you
this would be the first time i have ever put myself on a calculated diet
Posted by: Ben-dur
oh and thanks for the input thus far
my goals are
7% bf (around 165)
and id like to have that done in 4 weeks
however
if thats unreasonable, i could revise my goals.
please tell my
Posted by: Built
2.5 lbs a week is a LOT. 1 lb a week is pretty much the most I'd recommend for your size.
2.5 lbs a week means running a deficit of 1250 calories a day below maintenance. The only way I can see doing this safely is Lyle McD's PSMF.
Posted by: Ben-dur
recieved
lets make that goal 8-10 weeks then
but the real question is the diet
does it look satisfactory?
or should it be revised
or just scraped?
Posted by: Built
What is your current maintenance? Not a calculation, but how many calories do you actually eat to neither gain nor lose weight?
Posted by: Ben-dur
i honestly couldnt tell you
ive never recorded meals or weighed foods befor now
sorry to say
Posted by: Built
Okay, well, how are you going to know where you are going if you don't know where you've been?
The individual meal choices don't matter. What matters is getting in enough protein (at least a gram per pound lean mass, I like mine a lot higher than this when cutting), enough fat (at least half a gram per pound lean mass), 25g fibre, and that you run enough of a deficit to drop weight at the rate you predict. Do all that while staying comfortable, and you'll hit your goals.
For example, me: 114 lbs lean mass.
My daily protein averages 180g (minimum would be 114g, but satiety is greater when I keep my protein high)
My daily fat averages 80g (minimum would be 57g, but I feel better when my fats stay high)
My daily fibre is about 25g
My maintenance calories are 2200, so I reduce this by about 20% to start my cut. This means I cut on about 1800 calories a day, keep my workouts short and intense, do minimal but intense cardio (HIIT, complexes, hills) and take cheat meals and refeeds every week or two.
I train in the evening, so I eat protein and fat meals in the early part of the day to keep my appetite under control. I eat the majority of my carbs in the meal before and the meal or two after I lift, and the majority of my calories in the later part of the day.
Any of this help?
Posted by: Ben-dur
yes
i think your trying to tell me that, that diet may or may not be a cutting diet
i need to find my maintenance level first then worry about the cut
and the abs on you avatar cant possibly be YOURS can they!!???!?
Posted by: Built
They are indeed mine. At least, they were two years ago, when I was forty two.
You can try ballparking what your maintenance is and start there if you like. My husband weighs what you do and his maintenance is 2700. He's older than you though.
Wanna call your maintenance 3000 and call it a day?
In that case, you could try starting your cut at 2400 calories if you like.
Make sure you keep protein no lower than about 160g and fat no lower than about 80g. Get in 25g of fibre, track carefully for a few weeks, see what happens. Don't worry about carbs in the AM unless you want them there for satiety and or unless you train in the AM. Eat the majority of your carbs in the meal before and the meal or two after you train.
Sound good?
Posted by: Ben-dur
42!?
i dont believe you
thats incredible
Posted by: Ben-dur
ill see if i can draw up a little better diet useing your advice
thank you
Posted by: Built
Thank you. I was kinda plump for a long time. First time I noticed abs I just kinda fondled them. I still do this when I walk past trays of muffins and donuts at work... "There, there, my pretties..."
Now, my suggested starting point - sound like a plan? You can adjust it down or up from there. It's just a ballpark-ish place to start that shouldn't mess you up.
Posted by: Ben-dur
sounds great
id say you probably know what your talking about so ill stick with your advice
after i start a this cut ill monitor my weight and adjust calories slightly to keep the weightloss around 1 pound a week
but first ill see what i can do with the diet to make the numbers a little closer to your advise
Posted by: Built
Track carefully, adjust as required. Don't bother measuring "calories burned" - just measure what you put in, and weigh yourself. If you do things the right way, you can expect the desired outcome. Trust the process. Train properly, eat properly, manage your hunger. Don't go too fast and assume your losses are fat. It's a simple process - don't let the morons in this industry drive you crazy with the little stupid details of it. If you stick to the main guidelines and manage to stay comfortable while doing this, you'll succeed.
Posted by: Ben-dur
i just read the thread titled "refeeds and leptin"
you mentioned refeeds earlier
would you suggest i try once a week and see how that works?
Posted by: Built
Wait a couple of weeks. Refeeds become more important as you lean out. You're not even sure if this is enough of a deficit yet. Once you are, start paying attention to refeeds. Personally I prefer two half day refeeds to a full day one, but your mileage may vary.
Posted by: Ben-dur
okay
hold off on the bagels for at least 2 weeks
got it
haha
awsome
thanks for all your help
Posted by: Built
You're welcome.
Oh, and you can eat a bagel every day while cutting if you like. Eat 'em before and or after you lift.
