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Posted by: lean_n_76er

For those of you who know someone that has taken or takes a form of juice, what is the purpose if you are not a professional BB? I have thought about the positives of taking a supplement of kind, and just can not find the necessity of it, that and I don't know a thing about them. Besides the fact that for me it would be so obvious it wouldn't be funny. I'm just curious about the reason for taking them.

I AM NOT ASKING FOR ANYONES PERSONEL OPINION ON STERIODS! I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY PERSONS TAKE THEM! ALSO, I AM NOT TRYING TO STEP ON ANYONES TOES OR ASKING FOR THEIR PERSONAL USAGE STORIES, JUST THEIR FRIENDS


Posted by: Mudge

Why? To put on weight faster, wasn't it obvious?


Posted by: Mifody

well the purpose of using comes down to personal opinion.. theres many reasons or purposes people use steroids.

the only thing that REALLY matters here is the reasons why YOU would chose to use or not to use.

for me its just impatience. i want results faster. its not just with bodybuilding though its with everything in my life. if i can get something quicker i do it.


Posted by: Mudge

Some use it to cut, some to get stronger, some to get big, some all of the above.

I believe there is such a thing as safe useage, and then there are the abusers like with anything else.


Posted by: British Bulldog

yup, to get bigger, stronger, leaner than would be possible otherwise and to do it all in months rather than years. Vanity - basicly is what it comes down to - the persute of a better physique.


Posted by: lean_n_76er

Thanks for the insight everyone!


Posted by: Prince

they want a quick way to gain muscle, the people I have know that wanted the muscle was just for the sake of being big. I think most of the time it stemmed from insecurity and of course a lack of patience.


Posted by: British Bulldog

"the people I have know that wanted the muscle was just for the sake of being big. I think most of the time it stemmed from insecurity"

id say vanity rather than insecurity if i was to talk about myself, but all the same very true. However is this not why we all want to be bigger, regardless of steroids.


Posted by: BUSTINOUT

Damn BB, I had my reply all ready to go...until I read your's. You nailed it man. We can ask this question about a lot of things. For example, why do we drink underage, why do guys whore around and then feel the need to tell all of their buddies?, why do we drive cars that we cannot begin to afford? To appear superior in one way or another. But consider one thing, in the end, don't none of it matter. So think it through lean_76. Long before I ever took any substance, I had to be willing to take the potential bad with the good. IN other words taking responsibility and not bitching like a victim. Now as I get older and have to constantly revisit my thinking on this matter. It amazes me what people dump(not use responsibly) in their bodies. All for the sake to impress people whose opinion, when you get down to it, ain't worth a crap. Unless it's the judge looking at you on stage of course. lol Good luck in your right of passage.


Posted by: lean_n_76er

Again, thanks to all.

Note to BO - it's not that I'm considering taking juice, it's just I've thought about it and in my case decided not to take it. I guess I could see pro's taking it for the pay, but for the average Joe, why. Although I must admit I have considered the 1-AD and those similar, but I also must admit - I don't know a damn thing about the pro-hormones. I've done some research but from what I have read, there are pros and cons with them all. Some praise them and some bash them. Who do you believe. What about the warnings and are they valid? There is so much to read it's actually very over whelming! The labels always say to consult a Dr. before taking, what Dr. is going to say "OK, go ahead". None that I know of. Very Fuqin confusing.


Posted by: gopro

There are FAR more guys out there using steroids that WILL NEVER compete, than guys taking them that do compete. In fact, some of these non-competitive juicers will abuse drugs worse than the pros!

This is a "need it now" world, and as long as there exists "quick fixes," they will be utilized...no matter what the consequences.


Posted by: lean_n_76er

OK, now for another question. What's the difference between steroids and pro-hormones? Don't they basically do the same thing?


Posted by: gopro

Well, in a sense they do the same thing, but pro-hormones do it in a much more mild way. They're positive affects are much more mild, and they're negative affects are almost non-existent, except in the most sensitive of individuals.

Pro-hormones are also not 17 alpha alkylated, a process that helps oral steroids avoid breakdown by the liver. This 17 alpha alkylation is very harsh on the body.

Finally, pro-hormones (with the exception of 1-Test and 4-AD) are not useful until the body converts them into an "active" substance. This is not the case with steroids which are active almost immediately.


Posted by: lean_n_76er

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Originally posted by gopro
Well, in a sense they do the same thing, but pro-hormones do it in a much more mild way. They're positive affects are much more mild, and they're negative affects are almost non-existent, except in the most sensitive of individuals.

Pro-hormones are also not 17 alpha alkylated, a process that helps oral steroids avoid breakdown by the liver. This 17 alpha alkylation is very harsh on the body.

Finally, pro-hormones (with the exception of 1-Test and 4-AD) are not useful until the body converts them into an "active" substance. This is not the case with steroids which are active almost immediately.
Thaks GP! Ok, so how does the body convert them into something useful? Do you need to take another sup to aid in this? And how are 1-Test and 4-AD different. If there is a link showing this could you post it please. I know this sounds like the lazy way out but I have read most of the posts, and simply don't understand the products.


Posted by: gopro

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Originally posted by lean_n_76er


Thaks GP! Ok, so how does the body convert them into something useful? Do you need to take another sup to aid in this? And how are 1-Test and 4-AD different. If there is a link showing this could you post it please. I know this sounds like the lazy way out but I have read most of the posts, and simply don't understand the products.
The body contains enzymes that can convert a prohormone into a more "useful" hormone. For example...DHEA is a prohormone to Androstenedione, which is a prohormone to testosterone. However, sometimes the body will take DHEA for example through another pathway, like Andro to estrone...something we DO NOT WANT more of. Unfortunately, we can't really control this.

The difference with 4-AD and 1-Test is that neither one of these need to be converted to be anabolic...they already are! 4-AD also has a good propensity toward being turned into testosterone, and not estrogen, estrone, etc. These are the only "pro-hormones I would use, as they are useful whether or not they even get converted.

I hope that helps you understand a little better...


Posted by: lean_n_76er

Thanks GP for the info. Makes more sense now.



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