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Originally posted by mama's boy Just admit you're an antagonistic little bitch and we'll move on. (j/k)  LOL.
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Originally posted by mama's boy Avoid carbs like the plague! Especially on a cut. |
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Originally posted by mama's boy The best pre bed meal is a ketogenic one. This means high fat, with an appropriate amount of protein (this depends on a lot of factors). Fiber (supplemental, or from nuts/seeds/celery, etc) helps slow things down, too... as you will not eat for another 8 hours. Avoid carbs like the plague! Especially on a cut. |
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Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy Shut up. |
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Originally posted by mama's boy Nice to meet you guys, too. |
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Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy Shut up. |
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Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy Fair enough. Certain diets have carbs specifically (and strategically) placed before bed ie NHE. On CKD's you are required to eat carbs in every meal of the day - and even Dan Duchaine once said to wake up every 2 hours and eat more carbs during the night to ensure proper glycogen supercompensation. |
| Now, if some one's maintence level of cals is 2000 and in one day they've had 1600 calories so far. They eat a further 200cals of carbs before bed, will they suddenly not lose weight cause they ate carbs before bed? (provided everyother day they've eaten 1800 cals) Of course they'll still drop weight. |
| Only if they totally binge on the carbs and overspill glycogen stores will there be potential fat storage. In fact, post train is probably the best time time to binge on carbs since insulin sensitivity is raised and glycogen stores have more space for carbs. In fact, even if you do spill over into fat cells, the increased glucose metabolism in the fat cell would raise leptin levels which in turn could probably in turn cause further fat loss. Ironic, ain't it? |
| There is nothing magical about a certain time of the evning that suddenly changes the laws of thermodynamics and makes carbohydrates get stored as fat as soon as you eat them. |
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Originally posted by EarWax I remember when I first started lifting weights with my personal trainer, he said not to eat carbs after 2:00 pm. I was just wondering what carbs are considered exceptable carbs (in terms of food please) for eating before bed? I really dropped the carbs off my diet... and trying to fit them in again. |
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Originally posted by mama's boy Just admit you're an antagonistic little bitch and we'll move on. (j/k) LOL.
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| If you are waking up to go to the bathroom its fine to slug down a protein shake and return to sleep. |
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Originally posted by mama's boy The key here is "Every two hours". My point was that if you're actually going to sleep, like for 8 hours- go keto (or as close to it as you can muster). Assuming you're not carb loading (the poster mentioned nothing of carb-loading), why set your metabolism on faster burning carbs (in relation to fat, fiber and protein) when you won't get any for the next 8 hours? |
| The same 200 cals, eaten in such a ratio as to put (or keep) the dieter in a ketogenic state will result in more FAT LOSS than carbs or carbs and protein, or a mixed meal. The remaining 200 cals burned are much less likely to come from glucose or muscle breakdown. |
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Agreed. My original statement has nothing to do with carbs before bed being more likely to be stored as fat. It has more to do with meshing with the ketogenic nature of an 8 hour (or longer) fasting period. Slower digestion = better for fat burning/prevention of muscle loss. |
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Just admit you're an antagonistic little bitch and we'll move on. (j/k) LOL.
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| You're right, he never mentioned anything about carb loading - which is exactly more reason for you to not just throw out a generalised statement like "avoid carbs like the plague". |
| And where did "keto" come from? You don't just suddenly go into ketosis by not eating carbs. Too much protein can keep you out of ketosis and if you have too much glycogen in your glycogen stores then you can go without carbs for a quite a while without hitting ketosis. I believe most people have glycogen in the 50-70 mol/dm range before they show even trace ketones in their piss. It usually takes most people 1-2 days to hit ketosis, although they can achieve MUCH quicker using higher doses of ALA. |
| Again, why are you going on about a "ketogenic state"? Are you thinking that low(er) carbs instantly means ketosis? |
| And you do realise that the body is in a constant state of breakdown and repair, right? So tissue (such as muscle) is constantly being broken down and repaired. People usually refer to it as breakdown and synthesis. Now, calories dictate overall whether this synthesis/breakdown balance will be negative or positive in the long run. ie calorie surplus = positive so growth, calorie deficit = negative so loss. At any time, the body is using fat and carbohydrate for fuel, but the level of activity decides what ratio they are used in (usually more aerobic = fat used mostly, more anaerobic = carbs used mostlym, as a general rule). Now, just like muscle tissue is a state of breakdown/synthesis, fat is also (since fat is also being burned for fuel throughout the day). So, just like muscle, if you take in more calories than you burn then you'll put weight on, if you eat less calories than you burn then you'll lose weight. |
| Maybe so, but like i said earlier, you shouldn't just throw out a generalised statement like that because people who don;t know better take it as fact no matter what the circumstances. Just be sure to cover all your bases. |
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Originally posted by freeman1504 Ok, so say tonight before I got to bed at like 11, can I make a 2scoop protein shake with fatfree milk? or is that bad? What if i add a spoonful of peanut butter? maybe 2? eh?? |
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