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advice on loosing chest fat

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Posted by: kevinrex86

im new to fitness. real new. ive been strength training now for 40 days. my main goal is to loose my chest fat. ive had a bad case of gyco since i was 12 im 22 now and im sick of my chest fat. i wanna know if anybody has any advice. i strenght train 6 days a week along with eating 5 to 6 meals a day of clean burning fats. i also take protien shakes and kre-alkalyne. my chest exercises consist of dumbell and barbell bench presses and dumbell fly dips. from my research i understand the best way to get rid of gyco is to drop bodyfat. im at 16 percent body fat. please help, having gyco really makes a man feel like less of a man.



Posted by: allnaturalmyass

Loosing any kaind of fat =diet
if your diet isin't on point forget about loosing anything at all.Get on a good cutting diet and keep lifting also if you haven't add cardio to your routine for at least 3-4 days.




Posted by: jday

Your on the right track with the weight training. And like allnaturalmass said, you have gotta do cardio!! I wouldn't lift heavy weights either, I would stick with 5 sets of 20 (5 x 20) and I would add that you do incline bench press too. That with the cardio, and a healthy diet will really help to burn chest fat, and tone you up.



Posted by: DaMayor

Weight training.....yes.
Diet..............absolutely
Cardio?......Not so much.


Read the stickies.

Do a search on cardio, and you will find that, while it has its place, it is not the answer to fat loss.



Posted by: jhawkin1

cardio makes you weak , diet does the trick. pick a diet that you can stick with, find maintain caloric value, then cut calories, and keep weight training.



Posted by: Merkaba

Diet...

You should know by now that you can't spot reduce. Youre not gonna lose fat in any one spot. If you want to drop fat you have to take in less calories than you need. Read the stickies



Posted by: DaMayor

In addition to what Merkaba said, you should approach this from more of a "I would like to increase lean mass and decrease bodyfat.

What would be the point of losing bodyfat if there is no underlying muscle to "expose"?



Posted by: kevinrex86

thanks for the advice. i'll clean up my diet and start doing more cardio



Posted by: Merkaba

cardio is overrated for increasing lean body mass unless youre taking gear. You'll lose way more fat by diet. However cardio is a good thing for general health.



Posted by: jhawkin1

NO CARDIO!!!! if you focus 100% of your attention on your diet (i.e. clean it up) you will be a much happier person! Cardio does feel good, but if your diet isn't as good as it can be, then your diet (which could be really bad) will cancel out your cardio and your lean muscle mass at the same time!



Posted by: allnaturalmyass

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In addition to what Merkaba said, you should approach this from more of a "I would like to increase lean mass and decrease bodyfat.

What would be the point of losing bodyfat if there is no underlying muscle to "expose"?

Defenetly true

Find where your maintenance is , then drop to cutting and do cardio 2-3 days a week if you hate cardio do HIIT , focus on your weight trainning give this TIME to work see your results, and if that works and you wan't to add a little extra to it get a fat burner. I personnaly like to use them while cutting there not necessary but once again is up to you.



Posted by: KelJu

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Your on the right track with the weight training. And like allnaturalmass said, you have gotta do cardio!! I wouldn't lift heavy weights either, I would stick with 5 sets of 20 (5 x 20) and I would add that you do incline bench press too. That with the cardio, and a healthy diet will really help to burn chest fat, and tone you up.

All of this is 100% wrong and pointless.


Follow the advice of Merkaba, allnaturalmyass, and DaMayor and you should be fine.

Personally I do cardio for overall fitness. I like to be able to squat without getting winded. But diet is key. You can cut fat without running a single step if your weight training and diet are correct.

You can't spot reduce. To lose fat in your chest, you will have ot lose fat all over your body until you are satisfied that you have lost enough fat around your chest area.



Posted by: VanessaNicole

If losing weight does not solve your gynomastia I recommend that you see an endochrinologist.

And avoid soy products (and other phytoestrogen containing foods) and increase your intake of fibrous veggies, esp broccoli and cauliflower.



Posted by: Ben dur

if you ever feel that gyno makes you less of a man,
you should youtube some met-rx strongest man competition...

it will give you a whole new perspective on bodyfat, gyno and weight training...



that being said
do cardio twice a week, NO MORE
weight train 4 days a week
and monitor/adjust your diet in accordance with your goals

youll be healthy, shred fat, and become a monster, if you do things properly.



Posted by: VanessaNicole

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Originally Posted by Ben dur View Post
if you ever feel that gyno makes you less of a man,
you should youtube some met-rx strongest man competition...

it will give you a whole new perspective on bodyfat, gyno and weight training...



that being said
do cardio twice a week, NO MORE
weight train 4 days a week
and monitor/adjust your diet in accordance with your goals

youll be healthy, shred fat, and become a monster, if you do things properly.
Can you explain to me why two cardio sessions a week is the magic number?

And why "NO MORE"?



Posted by: Ben dur

i apologize

i guess i shouldnt have said that
or shouldnt have said it like that

my opinion is

that more than 2 times a week is not necessary

i believe cardio is important to fat loss but not for the reasons most people use it

cardio is not a very effective method of burning calories
it does however have some other benefits.

such as, helping to cleanse the muscles, and supporting general circulatory health

2 times a week is not a magic number,
it is my recommendation...

some people can get away without doing any
and some do it daily...



Posted by: VanessaNicole

Cardio is not an effective way of burning calories?



Posted by: jhawkin1

burning lean muscle mass...hmmmm CARDIO: to do or NOT to do?



Posted by: VanessaNicole

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burning lean muscle mass...hmmmm CARDIO: to do or NOT to do?
Cardio uses less energy from amino acids than weight training does, with the exception of endurance training (such as running a marathon).



Posted by: jhawkin1

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Cardio uses less energy from amino acids than weight training does, with the exception of endurance training (such as running a marathon).
I'm just trying to stir the pot a little so don't be mad (which I am sure you aren't but just in case you were).



Posted by: Ben dur

mmmm
i said "opinion"

and im positive i said "not a VERY effective method of burning calories"
i made sure of that before, and directly after posting that


lets not confuse what i actually said from what you thought i said



Posted by: Ben dur

and i stand by my recommendations

although others may have better advice



Posted by: VanessaNicole

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mmmm
i said "opinion"

and im positive i said "not a VERY effective method of burning calories"
i made sure of that before, and directly after posting that


lets not confuse what i actually said from what you thought i said
Oh, well then I guess that changes everything.

So, what *is* a "very effective method of burning calories"?

I certainly don't want to "confuse" what you actually said with what I thought you said.

And I respect your opinion, it's just that your reasons for reaching that opinion don't make any sense.

With all do respect.



Posted by: Merkaba

I say cardio your ass off if you so choose, and if you can take in the mac's to support it. Since most folks absolutely hate the idea of counting intakes, Goddess knows I do, I would say don't be surprised if you lose muscle and look flat while doing a ton of cardio.

But too much of anything is hard to support. Too much of any extreme action is uncomfortable. So I'd just as soon take a well rounded approach. Cut some calories, keep a moderate eye on my intake and do some non aggressive cardio. Either one to any extreme sucks for me and the physical extremes lead to physical problems. I say people need to realize that you can't do anything overnight. Dont expect to drop ten pounds in two weeks and keep muscle mass.



Posted by: Ben dur

resistaance training burns more calories, and your body contiunes to burn calories for a long time afterwards...


im really not trying to argue this though... if something came across as rude i truely apologize...

i just think its easier to run a 200 calorie def, rather than do 200 calories worth of cardio every day...

daily cardio, or even bi-daily cardio, seems too much to me



Posted by: Ben dur

btw this thread is in the diet and nutrition section



Posted by: VanessaNicole

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resistaance training burns more calories, and your body contiunes to burn calories for a long time afterwards...


im really not trying to argue this though... if something came across as rude i truely apologize...

i just think its easier to run a 200 calorie def, rather than do 200 calories worth of cardio every day...

daily cardio, or even bi-daily cardio, seems too much to me
That is totaly untrue.

Aerobic activity burns more calories than weight training, especially since a majority of time spent weight training is spent recovering between sets. (And you should review your information about exercise "after-burn" as it's associated with cardio [specifically high intensity cardio] more so than with other activities.)

I'm not pointing this out because I think you're rude.

It's just that your information is incorrect, in my "opinion".

And anyway, I didn't recommend daily or bi daily cardio. I also don't suggest a "ton" of cardio.

But your recommendation to do cardio "twice a week and NO MORE" is arbitrarily constructed and baseless.

You don't have to get defensive or apologetic.



Posted by: Ben dur

less often than bi daily is twice weekly



Posted by: VanessaNicole

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less often than bi daily is twice weekly
So is daily.

What's your point?



Posted by: Ben dur

i give up...

do cardio



Posted by: DaMayor

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especially since a majority of time spent weight training is spent recovering between sets.
Negative.....at least not when this middle aged, stubborn assed fool works out. Of course, you're prolly talking about the guys in the gym who spend a great deal of time admiring themselves in the mirror, or messing with their i-pods, talking about training, removing spandex wedgies, or trying to win an Academy award. Nah, time is of the essence..time is money...I get the work done so I can move on to other work....even if I should be in bilateral traction somewhere.

As far as cardio is concerned, this will always be a tough sell to this crowd.



Posted by: Ben dur

for me, my recovery period is very busy
by the time i record my lift in my log, add notes, swig a little water, rack my weights and pick up bigger ones...

its time to perform another set...


that being said... i cant argue that in comparison to cardio, this 90-120 second period of time would be considered rest, and that the lift itself only takes 20 seconds



Posted by: KelJu

I agree with the above. I time my RIs using my mp3 player. by the time I log my sets, drinking some water, and refill me bottle, it is time to hit the next set. I never really stop moving. I will pace back and forth and bounce up and down on my toes keeping blood flowing for the next set.



Posted by: GOtriSports

I have noticed myself that cutting out my long distance cardio has improved my muscle tone a good bit. Your lifting can be cardio in itself as long as you are moving from set to set quickly (i wait 90 seconds between sets).

I lost a good amount fo weight while doing LOTS of long distance cardio but once my body got down to around 12-13% body fat I was stuck there for almost two months. I was doing 45+ minutes of cardio 5-6 days a week. Then I changed it up a little bit and started doing HIIT cardio for 20 minutes a day 4 days a week. This may STILL be a little too much but I found myself dropping BF% again and was no longer stuck. Definition in my muscles has increased and I spend LESS time doing cardio.

My personal opinion? Some cardio is NEEDED, but too many people think you have to spend lots of time doing it. I would recommend doing HIIT cardio 3 days a week and that is all the cardio you need. This is just based on my personal experience. Everyone has a different body but what has worked best for me is less cardio more intensity!



Posted by: TrojanMan60563

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Originally Posted by VanessaNicole View Post
Aerobic activity burns more calories than weight training, especially since a majority of time spent weight training is spent recovering between sets. (And you should review your information about exercise "after-burn" as it's associated with cardio [specifically high intensity cardio] more so than with other activities.

I think you have this backwards. I have always read that weight training spikes your metabolism for a longer period of time after a workout then a session of cardio. So the after effect of weight traning ends up meaning faster fat loss. On top of this if you weight train and add more lean mass you burn more calories.

I have always read and known that "moderate" cardio (those on drugs can increase this to extreme) plus weight training is best for losing fat, but if you have to only choose one it should be weight traning along with a good diet. This holds true based on you burn more calories for a longer period of time following the workout, and the gain in lean mass ultimately leads to more daily calories burned. As a side note weight training can give the effect of cardio by keeping the heart rate up by limiting rest intervals to 30-45 seconds. I don't know about you, but after a hard set my heart is puming, and I don't wait until it drops to normal to do another set.





Posted by: VanessaNicole

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I think you have this backwards. I have always read that weight training spikes your metabolism for a longer period of time after a workout then a session of cardio. So the after effect of weight traning ends up meaning faster fat loss. On top of this if you weight train and add more lean mass you burn more calories.

I have always read and known that "moderate" cardio (those on drugs can increase this to extreme) plus weight training is best for losing fat, but if you have to only choose one it should be weight traning along with a good diet. This holds true based on you burn more calories for a longer period of time following the workout, and the gain in lean mass ultimately leads to more daily calories burned. As a side note weight training can give the effect of cardio by keeping the heart rate up by limiting rest intervals to 30-45 seconds. I don't know about you, but after a hard set my heart is puming, and I don't wait until it drops to normal to do another set.

No, it's correct. Cardio, particularly high intensity cardio, causes a greater after burn than weight training does (At least what most people I see in the gym do, which is: do set, chat, sit on their butt, do another set, go to the water fountain, etc.).

The increase in calorie burning after exercise is related to both the degree of elevation of the heart during activity, and the amount of time the heart rate stays elevated.

But you are 100% correct in suggesting that some forms of weight training (such as supersets) which keep the heart rate elevated above 60-70%MHR are essentially cardiovascular workouts.

So if you are taking very short rest periods (45 seconds would be a little long IMO) then you technically are doing cardio.

And seriously, cardio is essential for maintaining a healthy heart and cardiorespiratory system. I think it's foolish not to do any cardio at all (and by cardio I mean any activity that sustains an elevated heart rate, so that would include some types of weight training).

Anyway, you can get as buff and muscular as you want, but if you do not maintain good cardiopulmonary fitness you are not fit. I've seen a lot of bodybuilders who look great but who can't run a block and have elevated triglycerides and hardened coronary arteries and other health problems.

Carrying a lot of extra skeletal muscle on one's frame increases the necessary cardiac output, thus straining the heart and potentially causing cardiomegaly and other serious healthy problems.

If you build extra muscle it is even more critical that you maintain a healthy cardiovascular system, and some aerobic activity is absolutely essential to doing that.


PS I highly doubt that any reputable source would recommend skipping cardio altogether. That's just irresponsible from a health standpoint.



Posted by: Ben dur

no comment



Posted by: TrojanMan60563

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Originally Posted by VanessaNicole View Post
No, it's correct. Cardio, particularly high intensity cardio, causes a greater after burn than weight training does (At least what most people I see in the gym do, which is: do set, chat, sit on their butt, do another set, go to the water fountain, etc.).

The increase in calorie burning after exercise is related to both the degree of elevation of the heart during activity, and the amount of time the heart rate stays elevated.

But you are 100% correct in suggesting that some forms of weight training (such as supersets) which keep the heart rate elevated above 60-70%MHR are essentially cardiovascular workouts.

So if you are taking very short rest periods (45 seconds would be a little long IMO) then you technically are doing cardio.

And seriously, cardio is essential for maintaining a healthy heart and cardiorespiratory system. I think it's foolish not to do any cardio at all (and by cardio I mean any activity that sustains an elevated heart rate, so that would include some types of weight training).

Anyway, you can get as buff and muscular as you want, but if you do not maintain good cardiopulmonary fitness you are not fit. I've seen a lot of bodybuilders who look great but who can't run a block and have elevated triglycerides and hardened coronary arteries and other health problems.

Carrying a lot of extra skeletal muscle on one's frame increases the necessary cardiac output, thus straining the heart and potentially causing cardiomegaly and other serious healthy problems.

If you build extra muscle it is even more critical that you maintain a healthy cardiovascular system, and some aerobic activity is absolutely essential to doing that.


PS I highly doubt that any reputable source would recommend skipping cardio altogether. That's just irresponsible from a health standpoint.
First lets keep in mind the thread is about losing fat on his chest, not being 5% BF and not being able to run a mile without needing oxygen afterwards.

I think cardio at some level...a moderate level is important for general health and especially maintaining heart and circulatory health. I wouldn't say do no cardio, but I wouldn't advise doing excess amounts of it to drop BF. It is not effective and typically ends up with muscle loss unless taking AAS. I've done the hour plus cardio once or twice a day and I've seen how it can drastically affect LBM on a natural lifter. Losing LBM is counter productive to losing fat.

Weight training on the other hand with proper diet will increase LBM and increase your metabolic rate. So by keeping rest intervals to a minimum 30 seconds-ish you will keep your heart rate elevated for the duration of your routine, and will continue to burn calories for a longer period of time post workout. Then as you increase your LBM you will increase your metabolic rate and burn more calories in general...even while you sleep.

That is why I say if I had to pick one it would be weight training along with a solid diet. In a natural lifter they can burn more fat eating right and doing weight training vs focusing on doing a ton of cardio. Excessive cardio burns muscle, and that is counter productive if your goal is to burn fat.

I personally recommend having moderate cardio in there for general health, but I wouldn't tell someone to focus on cardio as a means to lose chest fat.



Posted by: DaMayor

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Posted by: Ben dur

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben dur View Post
i believe cardio is important to fat loss but not for the reasons most people use it

cardio is not a very effective method of burning calories
it does however have some other benefits.

such as, helping to cleanse the muscles, and supporting general circulatory health

2 times a week is not a magic number,
it is my recommendation...

some people can get away without doing any
and some do it daily...




Posted by: seems

Is too much of a cardio good for body??








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